How do you feel about Peyton Manning? (1 Viewer)

[Mahoney]

I have a feeling most people like Peyton Manning. I'm not one of them.

Being a Patriots fan, I consider the Colts to be the Yankees to my Red Sox. Granted the success ratio over the last 10 years isn't comparable, I think over the last 5 years the Colts/Pats clashes have been one of the most anticipated match-ups of the season each time they square off.

Some of the factors that make me dislike Manning are:

-He is the best player and the face of the Colts. A team that on an given Sunday may knock the Patriots out.

-The media loves him, and I believe, want to see him win the big one....which in turn means beating the Patriots.

-He has outplayed Brady and beat the Patriots in Foxboro the last 2 seasons.

-It seems, and I may be perceiving this incorrectly, he is generally the favorite in just about every single matchup. An enormous amount of respect for the Marty Schottenheimer of players.

-He is a Manning. Even though it worked out great for San Diego, I still hold negative thoughts over the whole Eli draft situation. That seeps into him as well.

So as you can see my reasons are nothing personal. A couple of the reasons are downright stupid. I know he is an incredible player, who seems very thoughtful and intelligent. He seems to always say the right thing, and you can tell he means it. I also think his commercials are hilarious and give him big props for ALWAYS answering the tough uncomfortable questions like a man. In many ways he is sort of like Derek Jeter without the rings.

I used to hate him. I think the Pats winning 3 titles has softened me a bit where now I can let some of that go. But he still scares the Bejeesus out of me for this Sunday, and I hope I see the "Manning Face" all evening as he gets killed by the Patriots at home. In the world of sports, when your favorite team has a #1 rival, you simply can't like the Alpha Dog on that squad. Man law.

That's why I'm going "Don't Like Him".

 

[thesurfshop19]

I don't like him completely 100% out of jealousy.

He always beats the Broncos.

(Yes, the 2003 2nd-to-last game was an actual Broncos win in Indy when the game mattered for both teams, but Indy killed them 2 weeks later so who cares ....)

 

[B-Deep]

cut that meat!

cut that meat!

could you sign this loaf of bread for my brother Eli?

rub some dirt in it!

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I don't particularly like him for all the usual reasons, but with so many NFL players who commit violent crimes, it's hard to put Peyton on my hate list.

 

[parasaurolophus]

You didnt put my choice up there.

I like, like him. Like more than a friend.

 

[PsychoMan]

I like him although his nasaly voice can be irritating. All in all, I think he has a likable personality and is an amazing football player.

 

[LGOA]

I have a feeling most people like Peyton Manning. I'm not one of them.

Being a Patriots fan, I consider the Colts to be the Yankees to my Red Sox. Granted the success ratio over the last 10 years isn't comparable, I think over the last 5 years the Colts/Pats clashes have been one of the most anticipated match-ups of the season each time they square off.

Some of the factors that make me dislike Manning are:

-He is the best player and the face of the Colts. A team that on an given Sunday may knock the Patriots out.

-The media loves him, and I believe, want to see him win the big one....which in turn means beating the Patriots.

-He has outplayed Brady and beat the Patriots in Foxboro the last 2 seasons.

-It seems, and I may be perceiving this incorrectly, he is generally the favorite in just about every single matchup. An enormous amount of respect for the Marty Schottenheimer of players.

-He is a Manning. Even though it worked out great for San Diego, I still hold negative thoughts over the whole Eli draft situation. That seeps into him as well.

So as you can see my reasons are nothing personal. A couple of the reasons are downright stupid. I know he is an incredible player, who seems very thoughtful and intelligent. He seems to always say the right thing, and you can tell he means it. I also think his commercials are hilarious and give him big props for ALWAYS answering the tough uncomfortable questions like a man. In many ways he is sort of like Derek Jeter without the rings.

I used to hate him. I think the Pats winning 3 titles has softened me a bit where now I can let some of that go. But he still scares the Bejeesus out of me for this Sunday, and I hope I see the "Manning Face" all evening as he gets killed by the Patriots at home. In the world of sports, when your favorite team has a #1 rival, you simply can't like the Alpha Dog on that squad. Man law.

That's why I'm going "Don't Like Him".

And let me guess...you LOVE the "Sportsguy" on page 2????

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hi Mahoney,

I hear you but there is honestly no way the Colts can be the Yankees to your Patriots / Red Sox.

If there is any team in this salary capped league comparable to the Yankees, it's New England.

But I understand what you're saying sort of. Although I tend to think more like Manning said this Summer on Letterman when he said something to the effect of "They love me in New England, with the way I've played, why wouldn't they?"

J

 

[B-Deep]

You didnt put my choice up there.I like, like him. Like more than a friend.

:mancrush:

 

[matt jones]

I love him, he's the greatest Quarterback ever. I'd let him have his way with me if he wanted.

Sunday is going to be great, he's going to throw for 300 yards and 5 TD's on his way to a 38-17 victory.

Then he wins the Superbowl... And then they repeat next season. You heard it here first.

 

[Mahoney]

I have a feeling most people like Peyton Manning. I'm not one of them.

Being a Patriots fan, I consider the Colts to be the Yankees to my Red Sox. Granted the success ratio over the last 10 years isn't comparable, I think over the last 5 years the Colts/Pats clashes have been one of the most anticipated match-ups of the season each time they square off.

Some of the factors that make me dislike Manning are:

-He is the best player and the face of the Colts. A team that on an given Sunday may knock the Patriots out.

-The media loves him, and I believe, want to see him win the big one....which in turn means beating the Patriots.

-He has outplayed Brady and beat the Patriots in Foxboro the last 2 seasons.

-It seems, and I may be perceiving this incorrectly, he is generally the favorite in just about every single matchup. An enormous amount of respect for the Marty Schottenheimer of players.

-He is a Manning. Even though it worked out great for San Diego, I still hold negative thoughts over the whole Eli draft situation. That seeps into him as well.

So as you can see my reasons are nothing personal. A couple of the reasons are downright stupid. I know he is an incredible player, who seems very thoughtful and intelligent. He seems to always say the right thing, and you can tell he means it. I also think his commercials are hilarious and give him big props for ALWAYS answering the tough uncomfortable questions like a man. In many ways he is sort of like Derek Jeter without the rings.

I used to hate him. I think the Pats winning 3 titles has softened me a bit where now I can let some of that go. But he still scares the Bejeesus out of me for this Sunday, and I hope I see the "Manning Face" all evening as he gets killed by the Patriots at home. In the world of sports, when your favorite team has a #1 rival, you simply can't like the Alpha Dog on that squad. Man law.

That's why I'm going "Don't Like Him".

And let me guess...you LOVE the "Sportsguy" on page 2????

Used to. Still read him, but he lost his fast ball years ago.

 

[thesurfshop19]

Used to. Still read him, but he lost his fast ball years ago.

Amazingly, his best columns are now his NBA columns where he pulls back on the humor. His NFL and baseball stuff sucks (unless you're from the New England area) and the mailbags aren't funny anymore.Today's column about the Suns is an example of the only reason I still read the guy. Every once in a while he throws out an insightful gem among the rest of the homer trash.

 

[thesurfshop19]

If there is any team in this salary capped league comparable to the Yankees, it's New England.

This is a really good point.I think a lot of people sort of say, well, the NFL has a cap, so "the Pats are better because they're smarter, not because they have more money!"

But as a fan of a different team ... doesn't that cut even deeper? Wouldn't that bring out more animosity?

The Yankees spend more than everyone, but they have the most fans and support by far the biggest city. You can sort of rationalize your want around that by thinking, well, if my Reds have the same chance as the Yankees, then so do the Royals and the Devil Rays. Do I really want that?

But with the Patriots ... they're just better at what they do. Period. It's not even the fans supporting them better financially (even though they probably do) and it's not the largest fan base. They just do what they do the best.

I respect and personally like the Patriots (even though I'm obviously jealous of the last few years), but the fact that they win because they're smarter probably puts a lot of people off -- even if the Patriots fans themselves aren't saying it.

 

[Couch Potato]

I look back on the great players of days gone by and am glad for the memories of seeing them play, regardless whether I was a fan of their teams. Guys like Manning and Brady are in that category, to one day be able to say about them "Yeah, I was privileged to be able to watch those guys play."

Manning is a great quarterback because of natural ability and because he works hard at his craft. I can't understand fans hating a player just because he beats their favorite team. That's his job. I think if you are a true fan of quality play you have to appreciate him, and I have a lot of respect for him.

 

[Mahoney]

Hi Mahoney,I hear you but there is honestly no way the Colts can be the Yankees to your Patriots / Red Sox. If there is any team in this salary capped league comparable to the Yankees, it's New England. But I understand what you're saying sort of. Although I tend to think more like Manning said this Summer on Letterman when he said something to the effect of "They love me in New England, with the way I've played, why wouldn't they?"J

JB,I know it seems like a stretch due to the winning side of things, but I'd say for much of the last 3-5 years most Patriots fans would probably call the Colts Public Enemy #1, and the Steelers #1a. As a fan you gotta have someone that you never want to lose to. Patriots fans, in general, think the National media latches on to those two teams and then take it as a slight. Patriots fans seem to sort of take the attitude along the lines of, "Hey if Manning gets the monkey off of his back and wins it all, won't that negatively effect Brady's legacy?" Silly? Irrational? Selfish? Yes, yes, yes. But that's the Culture of Patriots Nation, and probably the line of thinking that annoy outsiders. We don't have anybody in the AFC East lately, although that may change over the few seasons.As a Redsox fan I hate the Yankees. I never want them to winAs a Patriots fan I hate the Colts, Steelers and Broncos. I never cheer for them. Nothing to do with who wins more often, or has more banners, but because those are the teams we always struggle with and/or are playing the games that mean the most with over the last several years. I know those other teams are good and on a given day probably better. My feelings are driven by fear of losing to those teams that I know CAN beat my team.

 

[GregR_2]

Hi Mahoney,

I hear you but there is honestly no way the Colts can be the Yankees to your Patriots / Red Sox.

If there is any team in this salary capped league comparable to the Yankees, it's New England.

But I understand what you're saying sort of. Although I tend to think more like Manning said this Summer on Letterman when he said something to the effect of "They love me in New England, with the way I've played, why wouldn't they?"

J

JB,I know it seems like a stretch due to the winning side of things, but I'd say for much of the last 3-5 years most Patriots fans would probably call the Colts Public Enemy #1, and the Steelers #1a. As a fan you gotta have someone that you never want to lose to. Patriots fans, in general, think the National media latches on to those two teams and then take it as a slight. Patriots fans seem to sort of take the attitude along the lines of, "Hey if Manning gets the monkey off of his back and wins it all, won't that negatively effect Brady's legacy?" Silly? Irrational? Selfish? Yes, yes, yes. But that's the Culture of Patriots Nation, and probably the line of thinking that annoy outsiders. We don't have anybody in the AFC East lately, although that may change over the few seasons.

As a Redsox fan I hate the Yankees. I never want them to win

As a Patriots fan I hate the Colts, Steelers and Broncos. I never cheer for them.

Nothing to do with who wins more often, or has more banners, but because those are the teams we always struggle with and/or are playing the games that mean the most with over the last several years.

I know those other teams are good and on a given day probably better. My feelings are driven by fear of losing to those teams that I know CAN beat my team.

There's definitely some truth to that statement.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I don't hate or dislike any player unless I know them or know of them through sources outside of the media or message boards. I hate fans of teams and teams but hating a player is kind of personal. I think you can dislike a player for killing your team but not liking a player as a person is usually ignorant.

 

[My_Favorite_Team_is]

Longtime Pats fan...I voted Like Him cause I do, he is simply the best qb in the league. My gripe with Peyton is all the commercials and his less than perfect handling of his losses...

That said, I LOVE Tom Brady because he is the current best football player in the league...bar none!

FWIW: The only teams I really get heated for are those against NYJets, Miami and Indy (carry over from the AFCE)...

 

[Gr00vus]

I"m basically neutral towards Manning, with a slight tendancy towards like if anything because I do enjoy some of his commercials (love the mooooovers one) and he seems like a decent human being for the most part. I also think he's a very good QB, and enjoy watching him when he's on his game (as long as it's not against my favorite team).

I don't understand all the negativity that gets sent in his direction. The guy gets frustrated with losing, maybe says a few too many negative things about teammates who let him down now and then, but overall I just don't see the justification for the amount of bad feeling that gets sent his way.

I'll be rooting for him and Brees to get to the SB because I'd like to see the matchup and see what each one will do individually on that stage.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I've always liked you, Surf.

 

[Mahoney]

I don't hate or dislike any player unless I know them or know of them through sources outside of the media or message boards. I hate fans of teams and teams but hating a player is kind of personal. I think you can dislike a player for killing your team but not liking a player as a person is usually ignorant.

Good point. When I say "hate", I certainly don't mean it literally. I assume most people here don't either. Unless, of course Manning slept with their wife. I think of it more as a higher degree of disliking.

 

[TD Ryan]

I'm a Pats fan.

the only time I don't like Peyton Manning is when he's playing the Pats or when a Manning/Colts win will compromise the Pats in the standings.

similarly to what was posted above by My_Favorite_Team_is

Manning is the best PASSER in the NFL right now.

Brady is the best QB in the NFL right now.

I don't hate Manning any more than I hated Magic Johnson... they're both really freakin' good and without them on the other side of the field (court) none of this would be as enjoyable (refer to the Globetrotters and Washington Generals for proof)

and, for the record...

Troy Brown is clearly the best FOOTBALL PLAYER

 

[The Man With No Name]

Love him. I drafted him when he was a rookie, and still have him.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I don't hate or dislike any player unless I know them or know of them through sources outside of the media or message boards. I hate fans of teams and teams but hating a player is kind of personal. I think you can dislike a player for killing your team but not liking a player as a person is usually ignorant.

Good point. When I say "hate", I certainly don't mean it literally. I assume most people here don't either.

Dunno about this.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't hate or dislike any player unless I know them or know of them through sources outside of the media or message boards. I hate fans of teams and teams but hating a player is kind of personal. I think you can dislike a player for killing your team but not liking a player as a person is usually ignorant.

Good point. When I say "hate", I certainly don't mean it literally. I assume most people here don't either. Unless, of course Manning slept with their wife. I think of it more as a higher degree of disliking.

Could you really blame Manning or your wife for that? If Manning had sex with my wife I'd be happy, because every time I had sex with my wife it'd be like I was touching Peyton Manning! And who could blame any woman for sleeping with him, look how big of a head he has, you know he's got to be huge!

I feel like Jim Carry in the first Ace Ventura (I believe) where he is curled up in a ball sucking his thumb. I'm afraid I will need serious therapy after reading that, or at least a 4 hour shower.

 

[thesurfshop19]

I've always liked you, Surf.

:X I still think BB's a total jerk, though. :X (But I bet a lot of people in Boston think so too, but he's so unbelievably good at what he does. )

 

[bostonfred]

No option for "I feel sorry for him"?

 

[Joe Bryant]

If there is any team in this salary capped league comparable to the Yankees, it's New England.

This is a really good point.I think a lot of people sort of say, well, the NFL has a cap, so "the Pats are better because they're smarter, not because they have more money!"

But as a fan of a different team ... doesn't that cut even deeper? Wouldn't that bring out more animosity?

The Yankees spend more than everyone, but they have the most fans and support by far the biggest city. You can sort of rationalize your want around that by thinking, well, if my Reds have the same chance as the Yankees, then so do the Royals and the Devil Rays. Do I really want that?

But with the Patriots ... they're just better at what they do. Period. It's not even the fans supporting them better financially (even though they probably do) and it's not the largest fan base. They just do what they do the best.

I respect and personally like the Patriots (even though I'm obviously jealous of the last few years), but the fact that they win because they're smarter probably puts a lot of people off -- even if the Patriots fans themselves aren't saying it.

Hi surf,Sure, the Patriots are better because they're just better / smarter / more efficient etc. But the concept is the same. If you are a fan and you're looking to pick a team to pull for that is always going to be out front and make it easy to be a fan, the Yankees in baseball and the current Patriots in Football are the teams.

In that light, they're very similar.

J

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I dislike him very much based on his public persona. No, I don't know him, but he comes across as a big baby to me. It is purely personal - not related to his team or his skills. I think he is very talented. He has always just bugged me....

 

[My_Favorite_Team_is]

I don't hate or dislike any player unless I know them or know of them through sources outside of the media or message boards. I hate fans of teams and teams but hating a player is kind of personal. I think you can dislike a player for killing your team but not liking a player as a person is usually ignorant.

Good point. When I say "hate", I certainly don't mean it literally. I assume most people here don't either. Unless, of course Manning slept with their wife. I think of it more as a higher degree of disliking.

Could you really blame Manning or your wife for that? If Manning had sex with my wife I'd be happy, because every time I had sex with my wife it'd be like I was touching Peyton Manning! And who could blame any woman for sleeping with him, look how big of a head he has, you know he's got to be huge!

I feel like Jim Carry in the first Ace Ventura (I believe) where he is curled up in a ball sucking his thumb. I'm afraid I will need serious therapy after reading that, or at least a 4 hour shower. :X

Do you think that the post was put up in the bottom half of the minute or top half???

 

[thesurfshop19]

Hi surf,Sure, the Patriots are better because they're just better / smarter / more efficient etc. But the concept is the same. If you are a fan and you're looking to pick a team to pull for that is always going to be out front and make it easy to be a fan, the Yankees in baseball and the current Patriots in Football are the teams. In that light, they're very similar.J

Oh, I totally agree here.I'm only saying that it's almost like the Patriots are worse because we fans of other teams don't really have a convenient excuse (oh, they're just bigger, they have more money).Agreed that there's a bunch of bandwagoneers for both fanbases, although most of the Pats fans on this board are great and passionate ... ... although a few may be a tiny bit sensitive! :X

 

[trader jake]

I don't entirely understand the hatred toward Peyton Manning. He's a great player and gives it his all. I find that difficult to fault and root for him, partially due to the amount of over the top criticism he receives.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I used to hate Manning, and now I like Manning a lot.

I hated him because he pulled the reverse Eli shtick, by staying in Tennessee instead of coming to New York in 1997, the year the Jets had the first pick in the draft. It took awhile to get over that, especially when Rick Mirer was starting in 1999.

But as a statistical analyst, it's hard not to respect all the records Manning has broken. And mostly because Patriots fans seem to absolutely detest Manning, I grew to like him. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, sort of thing.

 

[turkishkamel]

hated manning until two years ago, then i got him in my dynasty. now i kinda like him. wierd.

 

[bostonfred]

I don't entirely understand the hatred toward Peyton Manning. He's a great player and gives it his all. I find that difficult to fault and root for him, partially due to the amount of over the top criticism he receives.

I'm one of the people who is most critical of Peyton Manning on this board. I don't hate him. I feel a little sorry for him. I don't root for him, but he plays for a team that's a longstanding rival of my favorite team. But if that's the only reason, then I can't explain why I don't root for Manning, even though the Patriots have consistently beaten his Colts in the playoofs, but I do root for Brett Favre, even though his Packers beat the Patriots in the Superbowl. I certainly think Favre is a better quarterback than Manning. I think Favre has made a number of good receivers look better than they are, while I think Manning's great receivers have helped make him look better than he is. Maybe it's just the number of times they've faced each other, an artifact of the conference rivalry, because if the Colts go to a Superbowl it means the Patriots didn't. But I was rooting for Bettis last year, even though I should have hated the Steelers for the same reaason. What bothers me about Manning is his supporters. I don't understand how much credit he gets for his regular season successes despite his playoff failures. We've got people saying that Marty Schottenheimer should be fired because he chokes in the playoffs, even though he's led his team to great regular season records time and time again. But when Manning does the exact same thing, and makes mistakes on the field that are far more egregious than anything Schottenheimer did in the playoff game against the Patriots this weekend, people scoff at the idea that the Colts might be better off without him. Ask any football fan where Manning would be taken in a start-from-scratch draft of NFL quarterbacks, and they'd put him in the top four or five picks with a lot of people taking him top two. Ask those same fans where they'd take Schottenheimer, and he wouldn't even be in most top tens. It seems incredibly inconsistent.

 

[Chase Stuart]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters.

Not that this is a bad thing or a knock on your BF, but I think the real reason you dislike Manning is because of Brady. In everyone's minds, whenever Manning gets elevated, Brady gets taken down a peg, and vice versa. These two are in their own tier in the public's mind, so it's a lot like politics with some fans of both teams. If you can find some dirt on one, or make the other look bad, you win, and your guy looks better.

 

[bostonfred]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters.

Not that this is a bad thing or a knock on your BF, but I think the real reason you dislike Manning is because of Brady. In everyone's minds, whenever Manning gets elevated, Brady gets taken down a peg, and vice versa. These two are in their own tier in the public's mind, so it's a lot like politics with some fans of both teams. If you can find some dirt on one, or make the other look bad, you win, and your guy looks better.

I thought about addressing this in the above post. I've definitely heard that before. But in a way, I think it would be better for the Manning-Brady debate if Manning finally won a Superbowl. Most people who think Manning is better than Brady are already the people who disregard Superbowl wins as accomplishments. The people who do think Superbowl wins are important would probably still prefer Brady because he has more rings. I've said for years that I don't think Superbowl rings should have anything to do with the Brady/Manning debate, and it would be refreshing to have a conversation about the two as players where we didn't have to discuss holes in Manning's resume or his numerous failures to perform in the clutch.

 

[Mahoney]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters.

Not that this is a bad thing or a knock on your BF, but I think the real reason you dislike Manning is because of Brady. In everyone's minds, whenever Manning gets elevated, Brady gets taken down a peg, and vice versa. These two are in their own tier in the public's mind, so it's a lot like politics with some fans of both teams. If you can find some dirt on one, or make the other look bad, you win, and your guy looks better.

When you get down to it I think most Patriots fans deep down know this is one of the main crux of this issue.

 

[The Man With No Name]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters.

Not that this is a bad thing or a knock on your BF, but I think the real reason you dislike Manning is because of Brady. In everyone's minds, whenever Manning gets elevated, Brady gets taken down a peg, and vice versa. These two are in their own tier in the public's mind, so it's a lot like politics with some fans of both teams. If you can find some dirt on one, or make the other look bad, you win, and your guy looks better.

I thought about addressing this in the above post. I've definitely heard that before. But in a way, I think it would be better for the Manning-Brady debate if Manning finally won a Superbowl. Most people who think Manning is better than Brady are already the people who disregard Superbowl wins as accomplishments. The people who do think Superbowl wins are important would probably still prefer Brady because he has more rings. I've said for years that I don't think Superbowl rings should have anything to do with the Brady/Manning debate, and it would be refreshing to have a conversation about the two as players where we didn't have to discuss holes in Manning's resume or his numerous failures to perform in the clutch.

As far as Manning vs. Brady in the postseason, their qb rating is close (Brady 3 points higher). But the real deal is that Brady has just been on a better TEAM. Teams win championships, not individuals.

 

[BassNBrew]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters.

Funny....I'd say the same thing about TO.

 

[bostonfred]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters.

Not that this is a bad thing or a knock on your BF, but I think the real reason you dislike Manning is because of Brady. In everyone's minds, whenever Manning gets elevated, Brady gets taken down a peg, and vice versa. These two are in their own tier in the public's mind, so it's a lot like politics with some fans of both teams. If you can find some dirt on one, or make the other look bad, you win, and your guy looks better.

I thought about addressing this in the above post. I've definitely heard that before. But in a way, I think it would be better for the Manning-Brady debate if Manning finally won a Superbowl. Most people who think Manning is better than Brady are already the people who disregard Superbowl wins as accomplishments. The people who do think Superbowl wins are important would probably still prefer Brady because he has more rings. I've said for years that I don't think Superbowl rings should have anything to do with the Brady/Manning debate, and it would be refreshing to have a conversation about the two as players where we didn't have to discuss holes in Manning's resume or his numerous failures to perform in the clutch.

As far as Manning vs. Brady in the postseason, their qb rating is close (Brady 3 points higher). But the real deal is that Brady has just been on a better TEAM. Teams win championships, not individuals.

:XThis is another argument that would mercifully end if Manning won a Superbowl.

 

[rocket1012]

Patriot fan here who voted "Like him" since he is a "good ambassador" for Pro Football by making headlines for his excellent QB play,and NOT for off field escapades that so many other NFL players are known for.

That being said,..as an arch enemy on gameday vs. the Pats, I naturally wish multiple miscues and hopefully a loss on him. Players like Manning and Brady are the throwback type of "football heroes" that people can genuinely have their kids look up to as athletes.....

 

[Slider]

I like his commercials more than anything.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Patriot fan here who voted "Like him" since he is a "good ambassador" for Pro Football by making headlines for his excellent QB play,and NOT for off field escapades that so many other NFL players are known for. That being said,..as an arch enemy on gameday vs. the Pats, I naturally wish multiple miscues and hopefully a loss on him. Players like Manning and Brady are the throwback type of "football heroes" that people can genuinely have their kids look up to as athletes.....

I voted "Don't like him" but now catch myself regretting it. Truth be told, I didn't like him back in his college days b/c he played for Tennessee (I'm a Bama fan from RI, but used to live in that area). It's actually the teams I don't like because of their rivalries with my favorite teams, and not necessarily any personal animosity toward Peyton. He is a sensational player and a quality individual.The thrill of the Pats winning Sunday subsided quickly as I looked ahead to this game. The thought of losing to Peyton and the Colts sickened me a bit, but then I thought about it. The comparisons of the Pats and the Yankees do have some merit. As a Redsox fan, I was always sickened anytime we had to face the Yankees. However, much like the Pats/Colts, it's only during the last few years that those two teams have faced each other in the playoffs. Losing to the Yanks and having to hear about it, with all the rings, and the curse and all that other BS...it was hard to swallow. The greed of Yankee fans is what got me the most...that sense of entitlement, I'd ask "How much is enough for you guys?". Now I'm finding myself as a Pats fan to be no different than them. It's not cool.When we finally got over on them, it was like no other feeling. If the Sox were ever to win a championship, it had to be through NY. This is where the Colts fans find themselves today, and they should want it no other way.I want the Pats to win...badly. But it won't sicken me as much anymore if the Colts finally get over on them. I know what they're feelin'. I (and all of us Pats fans in Red Sox Nation) were there once too.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Patriot fan here who voted "Like him" since he is a "good ambassador" for Pro Football by making headlines for his excellent QB play,and NOT for off field escapades that so many other NFL players are known for. That being said,..as an arch enemy on gameday vs. the Pats, I naturally wish multiple miscues and hopefully a loss on him. Players like Manning and Brady are the throwback type of "football heroes" that people can genuinely have their kids look up to as athletes.....

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[Joe Bryant]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters. I don't understand how much credit he gets for his regular season successes despite his playoff failures. We've got people saying that Marty Schottenheimer should be fired because he chokes in the playoffs, even though he's led his team to great regular season records time and time again. But when Manning does the exact same thing, and makes mistakes on the field that are far more egregious than anything Schottenheimer did in the playoff game against the Patriots this weekend, people scoff at the idea that the Colts might be better off without him. Ask any football fan where Manning would be taken in a start-from-scratch draft of NFL quarterbacks, and they'd put him in the top four or five picks with a lot of people taking him top two. Ask those same fans where they'd take Schottenheimer, and he wouldn't even be in most top tens. It seems incredibly inconsistent.

Hi fred,I think you may be swapping some fan groups there. You think it's the same people saying Schottenheimer should be fired and saying Manning is fine?What makes you think that?I'm clearly one of the ones saying it would be stupid to fire Schottenheimer. And I'm a fan of Manning. That seems pretty consistent to me. Do you agree that Manning gets killed for his lack of playoff success? It almost sounds like you're thinking Schottenheimer gets grilled for the postseason struggle but Manning gets a pass or something. I see them both absolutely skewered over the playoff struggles. Again, that seems consistent. Do you know a bunch of Colt fans calling for Schottenheimer to be fired or something?J

 

[bostonfred]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters. I don't understand how much credit he gets for his regular season successes despite his playoff failures. We've got people saying that Marty Schottenheimer should be fired because he chokes in the playoffs, even though he's led his team to great regular season records time and time again. But when Manning does the exact same thing, and makes mistakes on the field that are far more egregious than anything Schottenheimer did in the playoff game against the Patriots this weekend, people scoff at the idea that the Colts might be better off without him. Ask any football fan where Manning would be taken in a start-from-scratch draft of NFL quarterbacks, and they'd put him in the top four or five picks with a lot of people taking him top two. Ask those same fans where they'd take Schottenheimer, and he wouldn't even be in most top tens. It seems incredibly inconsistent.

Hi fred,I think you may be swapping some fan groups there. You think it's the same people saying Schottenheimer should be fired and saying Manning is fine?What makes you think that?I'm clearly one of the ones saying it would be stupid to fire Schottenheimer. And I'm a fan of Manning. That seems pretty consistent to me. Do you agree that Manning gets killed for his lack of playoff success? It almost sounds like you're thinking Schottenheimer gets grilled for the postseason struggle but Manning gets a pass or something. I see them both absolutely skewered over the playoff struggles. Again, that seems consistent. Do you know a bunch of Colt fans calling for Schottenheimer to be fired or something?J

Hi JoeCurious where you put Schottenheimer in your list of active coaches. Where would he rank compared to:BelichickManginiFisherParcellsBillickPaytonCowherCoughlinDungyEdwardsFasselFoxGrudenHolmgrenLewisReidFred

 

[Joe Bryant]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters. I don't understand how much credit he gets for his regular season successes despite his playoff failures. We've got people saying that Marty Schottenheimer should be fired because he chokes in the playoffs, even though he's led his team to great regular season records time and time again. But when Manning does the exact same thing, and makes mistakes on the field that are far more egregious than anything Schottenheimer did in the playoff game against the Patriots this weekend, people scoff at the idea that the Colts might be better off without him. Ask any football fan where Manning would be taken in a start-from-scratch draft of NFL quarterbacks, and they'd put him in the top four or five picks with a lot of people taking him top two. Ask those same fans where they'd take Schottenheimer, and he wouldn't even be in most top tens. It seems incredibly inconsistent.

Hi fred,I think you may be swapping some fan groups there. You think it's the same people saying Schottenheimer should be fired and saying Manning is fine?What makes you think that?I'm clearly one of the ones saying it would be stupid to fire Schottenheimer. And I'm a fan of Manning. That seems pretty consistent to me. Do you agree that Manning gets killed for his lack of playoff success? It almost sounds like you're thinking Schottenheimer gets grilled for the postseason struggle but Manning gets a pass or something. I see them both absolutely skewered over the playoff struggles. Again, that seems consistent. Do you know a bunch of Colt fans calling for Schottenheimer to be fired or something?J

Hi JoeCurious where you put Schottenheimer in your list of active coaches. Where would he rank compared to:BelichickManginiFisherParcellsBillickPaytonCowherCoughlinDungyEdwardsFasselFoxGrudenHolmgrenLewisReidFred

Hi fred,Isn't his winning percentage something like top 5? I'd have a hard time ranking him much lower than what he's proven there.Does that help?J

 

[bostonfred]

What bothers me about Manning is his supporters. I don't understand how much credit he gets for his regular season successes despite his playoff failures. We've got people saying that Marty Schottenheimer should be fired because he chokes in the playoffs, even though he's led his team to great regular season records time and time again. But when Manning does the exact same thing, and makes mistakes on the field that are far more egregious than anything Schottenheimer did in the playoff game against the Patriots this weekend, people scoff at the idea that the Colts might be better off without him. Ask any football fan where Manning would be taken in a start-from-scratch draft of NFL quarterbacks, and they'd put him in the top four or five picks with a lot of people taking him top two. Ask those same fans where they'd take Schottenheimer, and he wouldn't even be in most top tens. It seems incredibly inconsistent.

Hi fred,I think you may be swapping some fan groups there. You think it's the same people saying Schottenheimer should be fired and saying Manning is fine?What makes you think that?I'm clearly one of the ones saying it would be stupid to fire Schottenheimer. And I'm a fan of Manning. That seems pretty consistent to me. Do you agree that Manning gets killed for his lack of playoff success? It almost sounds like you're thinking Schottenheimer gets grilled for the postseason struggle but Manning gets a pass or something. I see them both absolutely skewered over the playoff struggles. Again, that seems consistent. Do you know a bunch of Colt fans calling for Schottenheimer to be fired or something?J

Hi JoeCurious where you put Schottenheimer in your list of active coaches. Where would he rank compared to:BelichickManginiFisherParcellsBillickPaytonCowherCoughlinDungyEdwardsFasselFoxGrudenHolmgrenLewisReidFred

Hi fred,Isn't his winning percentage something like top 5? I'd have a hard time ranking him much lower than what he's proven there.Does that help?J

It does. And I agree with you that Schottenheimer should not be fired. And I'm sure plenty of Manning fans agree with us. The comparison still seems valid to me, though. Regardless of whether "Manning gets killed" for it, nobody talks about Manning getting benched for his postseason shortcomings. Yet Schottenheimer is in danger of losing his job once again because of another early postseason exit. It's remarkably inconsistent. By the way, at 54-38, Art Shell had the highest career winning percentage of any offseason coaching hire last year, so career winning percentage might not be the best judge of future success. Similarly, I think a lot of people would take Cowher over Dungy or Schottenheimer, although Dungy actually has the highest career winning percantage of the three. I can understand ranking coaches (and quarterbacks) by career winning percentage, but I think you have to take postseason success or failures into account.