How do you feel about players getting arrested? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

 

[ChadlyD]

I once had a team of players that who owed child support and or have been in jail for at least overnight. Made it to the finals...

That said, it only matters to me in a dynasty league, this year is this year in others...

Don't think about it too much. However, the players that need more money and bonuses for that extra payment may play a tad harder... who knows....

I miss Andre Rison.... I wonder how his house is....

 

[Rovers]

I am always pleased when criminals get arrested. It's when they get out of lock-up I don't like.

 

[BoltBacker]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

It used to be a red flag going into a season if it was a prominent player, but it happens so often now I'm not sure any teams go an entire year without any players having a run-in with the law. NE maybe?

 

[diesel7982]

Depends on the reason.

Drug offenses dont bother me unless its for dealing, e.g. Jamal Lewis

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless. I cant think of an instance where an NFL player his killed someone while driving drunk, with the exception of Dwayne Goodrich. But Im not sure he was drunk.

Violent offenses really bother me though. Id like to see all teams blackball guys who are violent to other people, particularly women.

 

[Faust]

Depends on the reason.DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless. I cant think of an instance where an NFL player his killed someone while driving drunk, with the exception of Dwayne Goodrich. But Im not sure he was drunk.

Leonard Little

 

[diesel7982]

Depends on the reason.

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless.  I cant think of an instance where an NFL player his killed someone while driving drunk, with the exception of Dwayne Goodrich.  But Im not sure he was drunk.

Leonard Little

I stand corrected. Cant believe I forgot that. I guess it wasnt as memorable since he got slapped on the wrist for it.

 

[thecardiackid]

Depends on the reason.

Drug offenses dont bother me unless its for dealing, e.g. Jamal Lewis

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless. I cant think of an instance where an NFL player his killed someone while driving drunk, with the exception of Dwayne Goodrich. But Im not sure he was drunk.

Violent offenses really bother me though. Id like to see all teams blackball guys who are violent to other people, particularly women.

very most young guys (myself included ) do their share of stupid things, and on occasion get caught. throw in the monopoly $, combined with the freedom the NFL provides (no more classes = more off time) and statistic probability of getting busted and of course some do.

i do agree w/ diesel though, domestics are the worst offenders in my eyes.

 

[Faust]

Depends on the reason.

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless. I cant think of an instance where an NFL player his killed someone while driving drunk, with the exception of Dwayne Goodrich. But Im not sure he was drunk.

Leonard Little

I stand corrected. Cant believe I forgot that. I guess it wasnt as memorable since he got slapped on the wrist for it.

Wasn't he also ticketed for a DUI after the first one with the fatality?

 

[diesel7982]

Depends on the reason.

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless.  I cant think of an instance where an NFL player his killed someone while driving drunk, with the exception of Dwayne Goodrich.  But Im not sure he was drunk.

Leonard Little

I stand corrected. Cant believe I forgot that. I guess it wasnt as memorable since he got slapped on the wrist for it.

Wasn't he also ticketed for a DUI after the first one with the fatality?

Yep.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I'm all for players getting arrested.

 

[redman]

"How do you feel?"

Please move this to the Oprah Board. TIA.

 

[Doug Drinen]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

I used to have a link, which I now can't put my hands on (MT?), but someone did a study and concluded that professional athletes do not get arrested any more than "regular people" in the same age bracket.How many NFL players can you name that have been arrested for something? 20? 30? 50? If you said 50, that'd be about 1 in every 50 NFL players. Now pick 50 guys at random from your high school graduating class. Would it surprise you to learn that one of them got a DUI or was involved in a domestic disturbance at some point in their 20s?

 

[FUBAR]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

I used to have a link, which I now can't put my hands on (MT?), but someone did a study and concluded that professional athletes do not get arrested any more than "regular people" in the same age bracket.

Define regular people. Are we talking the population at large, or people with jobs?I'm guessing the most people with "normal" jobs get arrested less often, while those who are underemployed or on the streets get arrested more, thus making the general population roughly in line with pro athletes.

The problem I have with pro-athletes, or anyone who kids look up to, acting like ###### is simply that, they have more of a responsibility to society, to act as role models, given their status in life.

Also, the work that has to be put in to their profession requires discipline. A lack of discipline is a red flag on the player to me.

 

[Doug Drinen]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

I used to have a link, which I now can't put my hands on (MT?), but someone did a study and concluded that professional athletes do not get arrested any more than "regular people" in the same age bracket.

Define regular people. Are we talking the population at large, or people with jobs?

Truthfully, I only have a vague recollection of the study, so I don't know how it was defined.

I'm guessing the most people with "normal" jobs get arrested less often, while those who are underemployed or on the streets get arrested more, thus making the general population roughly in line with pro athletes.

Which is relevant. If there were no NFL, some of these guys would have jobs and some would be underemployed or on the streets, thus making them roughly in line with the general population.I really do not disagree with anything you said. NFL players do too many stupid/violent things. I just think it's probably true that if you replaced the words "NFL players" with the words "American 20-something males" it would be exactly as true. No more no less. (And I respect your argument that athletes have an obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard, but that's a separate issue.)That punk you knew in high school doesn't appear on Sportscenter when he beats his wife; that's the only difference.

 

[Mr. Pink]

"How do you feel about players getting arrested?"

Well, let's see....

When the arrested player is on my fantasy team, I feel sad. :(

When the arrested player is on my opponent's fantasy team, I feel glad.

That's all for now. Good night everybody!

 

[zamboni]

The main thing that bothers me is that guys like Michael Pittman pretty much get off scott free after committing pretty heinous acts (I think nearly trying to kill his wfe and child qualifies).

The old double standard at play - a regular citizen doesn't get away with it and immediately get to resume his multimillion dollar paycheck.

 

[redman]

The main thing that bothers me is that guys like Michael Pittman pretty much get off scott free after committing pretty heinous acts (I think nearly trying to kill his wfe and child qualifies).

The old double standard at play - a regular citizen doesn't get away with it and immediately get to resume his multimillion dollar paycheck.

The most disgusting example of this by far is Leonard Little, who actually killed someone in a DUI accident, resumed playing, and then was again arrested for DUI . . . and still plays. Pittman's a neanderthal jerk, but he's at least not killed anyone.

 

[Frank Black]

Depends on the reason.

Drug offenses dont bother me unless its for dealing, e.g. Jamal Lewis

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless. I cant think of an instance where an NFL player his killed someone while driving drunk, with the exception of Dwayne Goodrich. But Im not sure he was drunk.

Violent offenses really bother me though. Id like to see all teams blackball guys who are violent to other people, particularly women.

I respectfully disagree with you on all counts.Drug offenses are almost the worst for me. As a former athlete, I think that consuming illegal drugs is a crappy thing to do for the athlete and his teammates. If it were up to me, a drug conviction involving consumption would get a 1 year ban the first time. The 2nd offense would be a ban for life.

DUI/DWI may appear harmless if you go by the no harm no foul analogy. However, another analogy is that driving while drunk is akin to placing a blindfold over your eyes, and firing a gun into a room full of people. Both acts evince an utter reckless disregard for human safety. So I have no sympathy there. Our system of justice is not based on a no harm no foul.

Even though I personally hate domestic violence, the effect on the NFL bothers me the least when it comes to whether domestic violence should carry consequences in the NFL. However, I really don't have strong articulable reasons to support my feelings.

 

[Christo]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

I used to have a link, which I now can't put my hands on (MT?), but someone did a study and concluded that professional athletes do not get arrested any more than "regular people" in the same age bracket.

Define regular people. Are we talking the population at large, or people with jobs?

Truthfully, I only have a vague recollection of the study, so I don't know how it was defined.

I'm guessing the most people with "normal" jobs get arrested less often, while those who are underemployed or on the streets get arrested more, thus making the general population roughly in line with pro athletes.

Which is relevant. If there were no NFL, some of these guys would have jobs and some would be underemployed or on the streets, thus making them roughly in line with the general population.I really do not disagree with anything you said. NFL players do too many stupid/violent things. I just think it's probably true that if you replaced the words "NFL players" with the words "American 20-something males" it would be exactly as true. No more no less. (And I respect your argument that athletes have an obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard, but that's a separate issue.)

That punk you knew in high school doesn't appear on Sportscenter when he beats his wife; that's the only difference.

There is one difference between athlete's and most of the general public though. With their access to money they have the ability, if they so chose, to insulate themselves a little bit better. Take the DUI, most of these guys have the ability to hire a limo or a driver to take them around when they're partying.

 

[FUBAR]

There is one difference between athlete's and most of the general public though. With their access to money they have the ability, if they so chose, to insulate themselves a little bit better. Take the DUI, most of these guys have the ability to hire a limo or a driver to take them around when they're partying.

And tbe general public can either get a DD or not drink.

 

[FUBAR]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

I used to have a link, which I now can't put my hands on (MT?), but someone did a study and concluded that professional athletes do not get arrested any more than "regular people" in the same age bracket.

Define regular people. Are we talking the population at large, or people with jobs?

Truthfully, I only have a vague recollection of the study, so I don't know how it was defined.

I'm guessing the most people with "normal" jobs get arrested less often, while those who are underemployed or on the streets get arrested more, thus making the general population roughly in line with pro athletes.

Which is relevant. If there were no NFL, some of these guys would have jobs and some would be underemployed or on the streets, thus making them roughly in line with the general population.I really do not disagree with anything you said. NFL players do too many stupid/violent things. I just think it's probably true that if you replaced the words "NFL players" with the words "American 20-something males" it would be exactly as true. No more no less. (And I respect your argument that athletes have an obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard, but that's a separate issue.)

That punk you knew in high school doesn't appear on Sportscenter when he beats his wife; that's the only difference.

If being the key here. Fact is they have a job, access to things we never will, and are most certainly not unemployed. I don't see how they're in line at all with the general population, except for the burning to get laid and have fun.

 

[jurb26]

What I don't understand is why people always want to single out athletes for this double standard when it exhist for pretty much anyone who has money.

 

[Pots]

Depends on the reason.

Drug offenses dont bother me unless its for dealing, e.g. Jamal Lewis

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless.

 

[FUBAR]

What I don't understand is why people always want to single out athletes for this double standard when it exhist for pretty much anyone who has money.

Does America really or just FF boards?Seems to me we hear a lot more about what Britney Spears has done, or Paris Hilton, or numerous other celebs.

If your point is celebs are singled out, well, duh. Of course they are, and should be.

 

[jurb26]

What I don't understand is why people always want to single out athletes for this double standard when it exhist for pretty much anyone who has money.

Does America really or just FF boards?Seems to me we hear a lot more about what Britney Spears has done, or Paris Hilton, or numerous other celebs.

If your point is celebs are singled out, well, duh. Of course they are, and should be.

Yes, Celebs are singled out. If you think that is fair, then so be it. I don't.

 

[massraider]

I get as upset about athletes getting arrested as I do about any other total stranger getting arrested. Not too much.

 

[Christo]

There is one difference between athlete's and most of the general public though.  With their access to money they have the ability, if they so chose, to insulate themselves a little bit better.  Take the DUI, most of these guys have the ability to hire a limo or a driver to take them around when they're partying.

And tbe general public can either get a DD or not drink.

Which supports my point.

 

[diesel7982]

Depends on the reason.

Drug offenses dont bother me unless its for dealing, e.g. Jamal Lewis

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless. 

Explanation?

 

[Two Deep]

I feel like you can take the thug out of the street but you can't take the street out of the thug.

 

[FUBAR]

What I don't understand is why people always want to single out athletes for this double standard when it exhist for pretty much anyone who has money.

Does America really or just FF boards?Seems to me we hear a lot more about what Britney Spears has done, or Paris Hilton, or numerous other celebs.

If your point is celebs are singled out, well, duh. Of course they are, and should be.

Yes, Celebs are singled out. If you think that is fair, then so be it. I don't.

We're probably beating a dead horse here, but why isn't it fair?Celebs make $$$ from the public, part of that $ is due to their persona, even if more of it is their singing ability or looks or athletic ability. Other rich people make their money by either marketing a product, producing the product, managing a company, performing brain surgery, litigating, etc. It isn't so much the person we're supporting there, or their persona, it's the product.

We all have a responsibilty to be good citizens, but the extra noteriety given to those in the public eye is part of the deal. If they don't like it, they could choose another profession.

 

[FUBAR]

Depends on the reason.

Drug offenses dont bother me unless its for dealing, e.g. Jamal Lewis

DUI's are stupid, but relatively harmless.

Explanation?

I'll just go out on a limb and suggest that drunk driving isn't harmless. Most of us know at least one person who has lost a loved one because of a drunk driver.

 

[Bri]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

I used to have a link, which I now can't put my hands on (MT?), but someone did a study and concluded that professional athletes do not get arrested any more than "regular people" in the same age bracket.

Define regular people. Are we talking the population at large, or people with jobs?

Truthfully, I only have a vague recollection of the study, so I don't know how it was defined.

I'm guessing the most people with "normal" jobs get arrested less often, while those who are underemployed or on the streets get arrested more, thus making the general population roughly in line with pro athletes.

Which is relevant. If there were no NFL, some of these guys would have jobs and some would be underemployed or on the streets, thus making them roughly in line with the general population.I really do not disagree with anything you said. NFL players do too many stupid/violent things. I just think it's probably true that if you replaced the words "NFL players" with the words "American 20-something males" it would be exactly as true. No more no less. (And I respect your argument that athletes have an obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard, but that's a separate issue.)

That punk you knew in high school doesn't appear on Sportscenter when he beats his wife; that's the only difference.

I thought you had a great point with similar proportionate arrest % but I don't understand how/why you separate that from their obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard?

 

[jurb26]

What I don't understand is why people always want to single out athletes for this double standard when it exhist for pretty much anyone who has money.

Does America really or just FF boards?Seems to me we hear a lot more about what Britney Spears has done, or Paris Hilton, or numerous other celebs.

If your point is celebs are singled out, well, duh. Of course they are, and should be.

Yes, Celebs are singled out. If you think that is fair, then so be it. I don't.

We're probably beating a dead horse here, but why isn't it fair?Celebs make $$$ from the public, part of that $ is due to their persona, even if more of it is their singing ability or looks or athletic ability. Other rich people make their money by either marketing a product, producing the product, managing a company, performing brain surgery, litigating, etc. It isn't so much the person we're supporting there, or their persona, it's the product.

We all have a responsibilty to be good citizens, but the extra noteriety given to those in the public eye is part of the deal. If they don't like it, they could choose another profession.

Personally I don't look up to or care what these people do on their own time away from work. Outside of work, they are nothing but normal people to me. Maybe you don't see it that way and maybe others don't. I just think that people like to point the finger at the easy target. I like to seperate business and personal life.

 

[Two Deep]

What I don't understand is why people always want to single out athletes for this double standard when it exhist for pretty much anyone who has money.

Does America really or just FF boards?Seems to me we hear a lot more about what Britney Spears has done, or Paris Hilton, or numerous other celebs.

If your point is celebs are singled out, well, duh. Of course they are, and should be.

Yes, Celebs are singled out. If you think that is fair, then so be it. I don't.

We're probably beating a dead horse here, but why isn't it fair?Celebs make $$$ from the public, part of that $ is due to their persona, even if more of it is their singing ability or looks or athletic ability. Other rich people make their money by either marketing a product, producing the product, managing a company, performing brain surgery, litigating, etc. It isn't so much the person we're supporting there, or their persona, it's the product.

We all have a responsibilty to be good citizens, but the extra noteriety given to those in the public eye is part of the deal. If they don't like it, they could choose another profession.

Personally I don't look up to or care what these people do on their own time away from work. Outside of work, they are nothing but normal people to me. Maybe you don't see it that way and maybe others don't. I just think that people like to point the finger at the easy target. I like to seperate business and personal life.

"Normal" people don't get arrested or shall I say law "abiding people".

 

[massraider]

Do you blow it off as a common occurence or does it bother you? please elaborate

I used to have a link, which I now can't put my hands on (MT?), but someone did a study and concluded that professional athletes do not get arrested any more than "regular people" in the same age bracket.

Define regular people. Are we talking the population at large, or people with jobs?

Truthfully, I only have a vague recollection of the study, so I don't know how it was defined.

I'm guessing the most people with "normal" jobs get arrested less often, while those who are underemployed or on the streets get arrested more, thus making the general population roughly in line with pro athletes.

Which is relevant. If there were no NFL, some of these guys would have jobs and some would be underemployed or on the streets, thus making them roughly in line with the general population.I really do not disagree with anything you said. NFL players do too many stupid/violent things. I just think it's probably true that if you replaced the words "NFL players" with the words "American 20-something males" it would be exactly as true. No more no less. (And I respect your argument that athletes have an obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard, but that's a separate issue.)

That punk you knew in high school doesn't appear on Sportscenter when he beats his wife; that's the only difference.

I thought you had a great point with similar proportionate arrest % but I don't understand how/why you separate that from their obligation to hold themselves to a higher standard?

Perhaps not everyone feels they have that obligation. Or SHOULD have that obligation.

 

[FUBAR]

What I don't understand is why people always want to single out athletes for this double standard when it exhist for pretty much anyone who has money.

Does America really or just FF boards?Seems to me we hear a lot more about what Britney Spears has done, or Paris Hilton, or numerous other celebs.

If your point is celebs are singled out, well, duh. Of course they are, and should be.

Yes, Celebs are singled out. If you think that is fair, then so be it. I don't.

We're probably beating a dead horse here, but why isn't it fair?Celebs make $$$ from the public, part of that $ is due to their persona, even if more of it is their singing ability or looks or athletic ability. Other rich people make their money by either marketing a product, producing the product, managing a company, performing brain surgery, litigating, etc. It isn't so much the person we're supporting there, or their persona, it's the product.

We all have a responsibilty to be good citizens, but the extra noteriety given to those in the public eye is part of the deal. If they don't like it, they could choose another profession.

Personally I don't look up to or care what these people do on their own time away from work. Outside of work, they are nothing but normal people to me. Maybe you don't see it that way and maybe others don't. I just think that people like to point the finger at the easy target. I like to seperate business and personal life.

I see your point, we just disagree. Sure they're "normal" people outside of work, the problem is that when your job consists at least in part, of your public relations, you never are "outside of work" unless you're in your own home and hidden.A celeb, out in public, which is obviously the case when driving or committing a crime against other people, is simply, not "outside of work".

Easy target or not, celebs have no right to ##### about the media, they make their living from it.

 

[azgroover]

What I don't understand is why people always want to single out athletes for this double standard when it exhist for pretty much anyone who has money.

Does America really or just FF boards?Seems to me we hear a lot more about what Britney Spears has done, or Paris Hilton, or numerous other celebs.

If your point is celebs are singled out, well, duh. Of course they are, and should be.

Yes, Celebs are singled out. If you think that is fair, then so be it. I don't.

We're probably beating a dead horse here, but why isn't it fair?Celebs make $$$ from the public, part of that $ is due to their persona, even if more of it is their singing ability or looks or athletic ability. Other rich people make their money by either marketing a product, producing the product, managing a company, performing brain surgery, litigating, etc. It isn't so much the person we're supporting there, or their persona, it's the product.

We all have a responsibilty to be good citizens, but the extra noteriety given to those in the public eye is part of the deal. If they don't like it, they could choose another profession.

Personally I don't look up to or care what these people do on their own time away from work. Outside of work, they are nothing but normal people to me. Maybe you don't see it that way and maybe others don't. I just think that people like to point the finger at the easy target. I like to seperate business and personal life.

I see your point, we just disagree. Sure they're "normal" people outside of work, the problem is that when your job consists at least in part, of your public relations, you never are "outside of work" unless you're in your own home and hidden.A celeb, out in public, which is obviously the case when driving or committing a crime against other people, is simply, not "outside of work".

Easy target or not, celebs have no right to ##### about the media, they make their living from it.

Don't we all complain about our bosses or customers from time to time? Why should athletes be excluded from this priviledge?

 

[Bri]

Perhaps not everyone feels they have that obligation. Or SHOULD have that obligation.

I would like to poll parents of 8-12 year old kids then. And let them decide if they have this obligation. I know, I know that's unrealistic but .....While I'm a "new" father, I can already imagine thinking some player is an SOB for making me explain why it's OK to root for a wife beater if he plays for your team.

I do realize the NFL is a different society somewhat. In "mine" if you beat your wife, you lose your job and the community thinks you're a piece of garbage and might even have some other husband kick your ... telling you to "pick on someone your own size." I've never heard of that reaction in the NFL and I read a ton of football papers, magazines, websites etc. While I don't know what their reaction is, since I don't see a player with bruises from a teammates beating or ignored by teammates or treated differently because of this, I don't think it's an adequate response.

I have seen their fines listed and feel we get fined a good % of our salary by a judge and NFL players get fined what amount to their money they "blow on candy".

 

[FUBAR]

Don't we all complain about our bosses or customers from time to time? Why should athletes be excluded from this priviledge?

Honestly, I've never complained about my boss or customers. Maybe a small "I wish I didn't have to do this, but it's part of the job", but never a true complaint.