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How do you trade for pieces you don't necessarily need? (1 Viewer)

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I'm in PPR dynasty. Here's my roster:

QB: Matt Ryan, Geno Smith, Michael Vick

RB: ADP, Jamaal Charles, CJ, Danny Woodhead

WR: Victor Cruz, Welker, Kendall Wright, Riley Cooper, Steve Smith

TE: Jordan Reed, Scott Chandler

PK: Phil Dawson

D: Buffalo Bills

I'm really interested in guys like Travis Kelce, Khiry Robinson, Terrance Williams. Markus Wheaton. I think they can become a good trading asset or even crack my line up if they have the season I think the will have. I have no picks to get them though. How do you get new lottery ticket players like those in this situation? Trade a known commodity for more riskier one's like khiry robinson?

 
I'm in PPR dynasty. Here's my roster:

QB: Matt Ryan, Geno Smith, Michael Vick

RB: ADP, Jamaal Charles, CJ, Danny Woodhead

WR: Victor Cruz, Welker, Kendall Wright, Riley Cooper, Steve Smith

TE: Jordan Reed, Scott Chandler

PK: Phil Dawson

D: Buffalo Bills

I'm really interested in guys like Travis Kelce, Khiry Robinson, Terrance Williams. Markus Wheaton. I think they can become a good trading asset or even crack my line up if they have the season I think the will have. I have no picks to get them though. How do you get new lottery ticket players like those in this situation? Trade a known commodity for more riskier one's like khiry robinson?
At some point, you have to accept the fact that you can't own everybody you want, even some of the cheap, underpriced, or undervalued guys. When the picks and disposable assets run out, it's probably a sign to scale back the shopping a bit. If you don't own anyone who you think is overvalued at current market prices, then don't go trading just for the sake of trading- all you're doing at that point is swapping one undervalued asset for another, with no profit to show for it.

Besides, it's great to have a few guys on your roster who you aren't 100% in love with. It makes things much easier when it comes time to scoop up that shiny new toy that's calling your name from the waiver wire.

 
The easy, and hard, way to do it is to package some of your lower quality guys to acquire the one you want. The problem is people generally don't like accepting a 2 for 1 because they may be getting 2 nickels for a quarter. It's easy to come up with those in your head, but hard to execute. You can't own all the guys you want, but if you really want them then I have no problem with overpaying to get "your guy" (within reason of course). Without some draft picks to use, that will make it even harder to get the ones you want.

 
If you use a tiering system, trade players in a tier for players in the same tier and a bump somewhere else. If you really do value the "good" players equally, you're basically getting your prospect for free. And even if you don't, you might start up trade talks on something you like - maybe you swap a good player for their equally good player and a second.

Like let's say you see Wes Welker and Roddy White as basically the same guy. That seems reasonable to me - both of them were injured last year, but both are very valuable when healthy. In fact, you could make a case that Roddy has more VBD left because the Falcons are looking to sign him to a contract extension, and Welker's in his last year with the Broncos but there's been no word about resigning him and they just drafted a receiver and added a young slot type guy in free agency. But Welker's got the Manning factor working for him, and for some owners, that has a huge amount of trade value. So you float an offer out there of Welker and Scott Chandler for Roddy and Kelce, or Welker and Woodhead for Roddy and Khiry. Who knows, maybe the Khiry owner really likes Woodhead, and accepts quickly, thinking he got the better end of the deal. And now it'll be a lot easier for you next time you want to make a trade with that guy, because he loves the offers you send.

If you're not sure which trade to offer up first, and you like all those prospects about equally, the first thing I'd consider is where you have your biggest depth issues. I like to have one more borderline starter than I need for my starting lineup, so my team doesn't get decimated if one guy busts or gets hurt. Roddy owners last year can tell you how valuable it is to have a solid backup WR who they can put in the lineup while they're figuring things out - a lot of guys started him for several weeks waiting for him to get better because they had nobody better to put in their lineup. Ditto Trent Richardson owners. I don't even consider TE depth - it's almost impossible to play matchups or streaks with tight ends - but in your case, a fourth receiver might be more helpful than a fourth running back unless you start two of each or something. Absent that, given the choice, I'd always take the RB over the WR just because mid range RBs are way more valuable than mid range WRs.

Last but not least, leave room for waiver pickups. In your case, you've only got two trash players. Steve Smith, who's been "too old" for like five years now, and Scott Chandler. Woodhead isn't trash in a PPR, but he wouldn't start for you unless you had serious injuries. I personally think Riley Cooper is borderline trash, and I think he's got solid trade value right now, but you might not. Vick is borderline trash if Geno ends up starting, but it's hard to drop him when you've got Geno and a non-elite QB1. When the season rolls around, you want a dead spot or two on your roster so you can pick up a free agent. If you're trading for someone you're not going to be willing to drop, then you need to figure out whether you'll have someone worth dropping or trading later. For example, if you hear any positive press whatsoever on Steve Smith, try to trade him to a WR needy team for a future third or fourth round pick to free up a roster spot.

 
I generally don't trade for pieces I don't need. If they come to me in a package, and I don't need them, they aren't on my team too long.

Also, bostonfed's comment about leaving room for WW pickups is valid, to a point. I can't tell you how many times I've teetered back and forth trying to decide whether or not to make a waiver claim because I wasn't sure I wanted to drop someone else to make room. The player I want to claim had better be a sure fire thing (at least as much as they can be, for being on waivers to begin with) and I must have soured quite a bit on the player I'm going to drop. I generally don't draft a player in the hopes he is waiver wire fodder in the next few weeks. I drafted them because I thought they were decent flyers to sit on and wait for that production. When I'm wrong, I correct it as soon as there is someone worth acquiring.

 
Not a specific answer to your question but I generally use good but not great starters at positions of depth to get guys I want. Difficult to execute now though. Have to wait for other owners to develop needs.

I have been known to sell vets a little cheap if I have younger better players and there is not a market for the vet.

 

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