How do you trade for who you want? (1 Viewer)

[3quinox]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Auction league

 

[Jedi Knight]

Try to make a three-way trade.

 

[squistion]

Overpay. That is how you will get a player you really want - offer more than the going rate.

You can't do it consistently and not be a loser in the long run, but I have found that it usually works, except with owners that won't part with the player you want at any price.

 

[Phenix]

Make multiple deals to gets the pieces you know it will take.

Sometimes players want picks, move something to get picks to combo with a player.

Get creative.

Been trying for Amendola all off season, got him for Williams and 325 BBux, sometime you have to throw darts.

 

[RBM]

Overpay. Make it too hard for the other guy to say no.

 

[chickensoup]

Overpay, especially if its bench pieces you don't really need. 2 for 1 trades, are usually a win for the guy getting the best player. Use this to your advantage. I always view bench depth as an easy way to get trades going.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I disagree with overpaying. Be willing to walk away if your not getting the player for good value. That's apart of being a good Fantasy GM. Just like any other business, you make your money during the sale. You want the price to be so good that even if it doesn't work out you'll still get good results. There are plenty of other players in the league that could offer close to the same value so there's no need to be a fan. Just do your research and shop around. Sometimes the player you wanted value will drop where you can try at a better time. Sit back and wait for your pitch.

If I "overpay" I'm offering bench players to sweeten the deal. If you draft well enough your depth might be a top 30 player at their position. Those 2 for 1 or 4 for 2 deals where you open up roster spots can be worth giving up value if you're savvy enough on the WW.

Sometime you can offer a ridiculous trade just to see if you're wasting your time trying.

 

[Pickle Rody]

When I want a player badly enough, I always overpay.

Like squistion said, you can't do it consistently and not end up a loser in the long run. But, for the immediate future, it will pay dividends if you've done your homework.

I do a couple of things prior to putting together an "over-the-top" offer though. I run through a couple checks and balances before deciding to go forward.

• Is the player targeted really worth it?
• Do I have to have him?
• Will the acquisition of said player truly make my team a championship challenger?

I just make absolutely sure I have to get that player. If so, I package an offer together that hopefully the current owner cannot refuse. Sometimes an owner won't let go of a player no matter what I offer, but at least I made an effort.

 

[msudaisy26]

I try to find guys the person likes and make several trades. If he needs running backs and likes the guys with a lot if catches I am going to try to get Forte, or if he is a big Bengal fan I would try to get Bernard then move him for the player I want

 

[Michael Brown]

Ask about other guys first. It will cause them to put up their guard around those guys immediately, but let their guard down about guys you haven't asked about. Then as you mix and match the pieces, you can mention how you'd be "willing" to take on someone else. It's all about raising their expectations for what they are receiving and bringing them along to see more and more value from your side. Doesn't work with everyone especially not savvy GMs, but it works more often than not.

 

[Banger]

Make a strong offer and don't be afraid to make the first offer. I tend to deal honestly which works well for me in my 20 year dynasty league. People tend to have long memories.

 

[Andrew74]

Sometime you can offer a ridiculous trade just to see if you're wasting your time trying.

This is a good idea if you are having trouble. I finally did this with a guy and realized he really didn't want to trade.

 

[lbouchard]

You can offer a couple trades for the player you want. Give the other guy options.

 

[jwb]

Ask about other guys first. It will cause them to put up their guard around those guys immediately, but let their guard down about guys you haven't asked about. Then as you mix and match the pieces, you can mention how you'd be "willing" to take on someone else. It's all about raising their expectations for what they are receiving and bringing them along to see more and more value from your side. Doesn't work with everyone especially not savvy GMs, but it works more often than not.

On the flipside, I hate it when people do stuff like this. It just wastes time. Not everyone puts their guard up.

 

[jwb]

To answer the OP, I usually make what I consider a fair offer. One that I would consider if the tables were turned. Sometimes I'll send two. I almost never "lowball" to start things off. But that's just me.

If they decline, I'll ask what I can add/change. Sometimes they respond with an acceptable counter, and we get it done. Sometimes they say "not interested in anything", and we move on.

 

[Saint]

I just call the other person and say I am interested in so and so, and ask if they are interested in trading. I have found trades to be much more easy to be done if you approach without the BS and just have a straight conversation.

 

[cheatsheetwarroom]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

 

[Phenix]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

 

[FUBAR]

I try to find guys the person likes and make several trades. If he needs running backs and likes the guys with a lot if catches I am going to try to get Forte, or if he is a big Bengal fan I would try to get Bernard then move him for the player I want

Try to find out why he hasn't already acquired the players he likes. Maybe he's a lazy owner, maybe despite him being a Bengals owner he just doesn't think highly of Gio, maybe the other team values him higher than the Bengals owner. I'd feel pretty stupid if I acquired Bernard just to find my potential trading partner doesn't want him.

Just as an example, I'm a Titans fan, but there really aren't many Titans I'm looking to trade for right now.

 

[FUBAR]

You can offer a couple trades for the player you want. Give the other guy options.

Why not just email him with a list of options or ask him what he'd want?

 

[FUBAR]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

IMO, it depends on a lot of things but one I haven't seen brought up is why you want that player.

If the player is receiving a lot of hype, you will likely have to overpay. But is it really overpaying if you're willing to do it?

If the player is not receiving the hype but you see something others don't, it depends on the owner. With many, the email / initial fair offer is likely the best opening. I like email, with a list of guys you'd be interested in. For example, I wanted to acquire Josh Gordon recently. The guy had a couple other WRs I liked and if they cost less I probably would have considered taking. Turns out IMO he was lower on Gordon relative to my value, so the deal was easy.

Remember, except in those rare circumstances where the guy is flying low and will set the league on fire early in the year, you can wait to acquire the player until circumstances change for your or his team, making a trade easier.

 

[Hawkfire]

I take my time an analyze their team to understand what would make their team better but give me what I want without paying too much. Some teams have depth but no studs. I might offer a stud for 2 lesser players (but players I actually prefer long term) and a throw in pick. They may counter same package with lesser pick and I know they are hooked. If they have a stud and nothing else at the position, I offer a package of value players for the one I want. 1 WR1 and 5 other WR6s is useless, so If I offer Greg Jennings, James Jones and the 2.01 for Victor Cruz they end up with 2 WR2s and Justin Hunter and I end up with the guy I want. Jennings/Jones were my 4th/5th best option so I feel like I upgraded and cleared a spot to work the waiver wire.

When someone makes you a package offer for 1 player you know they want them. Go back and forth with offers for a 2-3 days then stop replying. They will email you to see if you are still considering. Tell them you are willing to part with the player but just aren't that excited about the offer. They will either send you updated offer immediately or even better, ask you what would it take. When you get this email you know you just won the trade. I had a guy that was hounding me for Bernard Pierce (the 5th best option I had at RB). I did this dance for 2 weeks and ended up with Olsen, T. Gonzalez, Givens and 2.01 (which I turned into Christine Michaels). I had no TE before the trade and all I gave him was Pierce, Kendall Hunter (pup list and 7th best RB on team) and my 3.07. I know Pierce is a great prospect but Michael is as good so I think I made out fine.

 

[Spike]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

 

[We Tigers]

Trash him over and over on the Shark Pool and hope your league mates read it.

 

[Michael Brown]

Ask about other guys first. It will cause them to put up their guard around those guys immediately, but let their guard down about guys you haven't asked about. Then as you mix and match the pieces, you can mention how you'd be "willing" to take on someone else. It's all about raising their expectations for what they are receiving and bringing them along to see more and more value from your side. Doesn't work with everyone especially not savvy GMs, but it works more often than not.

On the flipside, I hate it when people do stuff like this. It just wastes time. Not everyone puts their guard up.

I was under the assumption that he was having difficulty trading in a traditional "I want this, and I'll offer you this" type of situation.

 

[Phenix]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

I know this is not the trade thread, but...

• Suh-spended Arm Stomping Brigade gave up Hawkins, Andrew CIN WR; Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
• Champtastics gave up Leshoure, Mikel DET RB; Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept.

 

[squistion]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

I know this is not the trade thread, but...

• Suh-spended Arm Stomping Brigade gave up Hawkins, Andrew CIN WR; Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
• Champtastics gave up Leshoure, Mikel DET RB; Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept.

Yes, if you have idiots in your league, but most of us can't count on that.

 

[Shutout]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

I know this is not the trade thread, but...

• Suh-spended Arm Stomping Brigade gave up Hawkins, Andrew CIN WR; Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
• Champtastics gave up Leshoure, Mikel DET RB; Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept.

Yes, if you have idiots in your league, but most of us can't count on that.

There are leagues that would kick owners out for that sort of thing.

I agree with those above that say if you have that guy that you just gotta have, go (over) pay for him. If you believe in him that much, then you must be thinking his value is going to rise or he is, at least, going to be a critical part to what you are doing with your team for a long time and if that is the case, then it makes it worth it in the long run.

 

[Spike]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

I know this is not the trade thread, but...

• Suh-spended Arm Stomping Brigade gave up Hawkins, Andrew CIN WR; Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
• Champtastics gave up Leshoure, Mikel DET RB; Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept.

Yes, if you have idiots in your league, but most of us can't count on that.

There are leagues that would kick owners out for that sort of thing.

I agree with those above that say if you have that guy that you just gotta have, go (over) pay for him. If you believe in him that much, then you must be thinking his value is going to rise or he is, at least, going to be a critical part to what you are doing with your team for a long time and if that is the case, then it makes it worth it in the long run.

Piling on here...

Jimmy Graham is worth all the other components in the deal plus a LOT more. A lot. So saying "Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept." is spurious as the other owner clearly is a bad one.

And if you don't agree, offer up Graham (now that you have him) to another owner in the league for, say, Daniel Thomas, Jermaine Gresham and the 2013 2.10. See how quickly he accepts.

 

[plastik]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

I know this is not the trade thread, but...

• Suh-spended Arm Stomping Brigade gave up Hawkins, Andrew CIN WR; Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
• Champtastics gave up Leshoure, Mikel DET RB; Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept.

Wow, that's brutal.

 

[socrates]

First, I always try to deal fairly. Owners who get one over on others will find future trading very difficult.

Second, I agree with the idea of "overpaying". Study trends and ADP's. I target players who I have valued significantly higher than their ADP.

Finally, identify positions of strengths and weaknesses, both on your own roster as well as that of your opponent.

If I am targeting WRx from an opponent's roster (whom I have identified as a player I have ranked higher than the ADP for that player), and the Team Owner has depth at receiver, I am looking at his roster for a position where he lacks depth, or if receiver is not necessarily a position of depth, I am trying a 2 for 1 deal (essentially) which throws in a receiver who is expendable for me (of course, due to roster limits, 2 for 1 deals are not generally possible, so I identify a lower fringe player, or offer the deal to include any player of his choice, or "his worst player" -- I have sometimes been pleasantly surprised by such "throw-ins".)

 

[ImTheScientist]

offer 1 million trades and hope at some point the guy either gets sick of it or accidentaly clicks submit.

 

[plastik]

Overpay. That is how you will get a player you really want - offer more than the going rate.

You can't do it consistently and not be a loser in the long run, but I have found that it usually works, except with owners that won't part with the player you want at any price.

I agree with this completely, but especially the caveat that you can't do it consistently.

In October of 2008 I really wanted Megatron, so I offer a guy MBII (a top 10 dynasty RB at the time), VJax, and a 2009 1st for Megatron and a 2nd. At the time I got ripped for it as overpaying, but Mega was key to my championship in 2011 and MB3 was out of the league by then. I think overpaying is best to do for players that you really think have elite upside and it's always good to offer pieces that have current high value but you think will drop off soon (in situations where it isn't yet obvious to everyone).

 

[Ghost Rider]

First, I always try to deal fairly. Owners who get one over on others will find future trading very difficult.

So true. A co-worker years ago had a rep for always offering ridiculously lopsided offers, and big shock, no one ever made trades with him. And then one day, he made me a ridiculous offer, and I rejected it while adding something along the lines, "Ya know, maybe if you actually made serious offers, people might actually trade with you." He got all pissy and indignant, saying that he was making what he thought were fair offers. (In 2013 speak) Sure, I'll just hand you Calvin Johnson over for Fred Jackson because I took Spiller in the 1st and just have to have his handcuff.

 

[Mimo]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

I know this is not the trade thread, but...

• Suh-spended Arm Stomping Brigade gave up Hawkins, Andrew CIN WR; Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
• Champtastics gave up Leshoure, Mikel DET RB; Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept.

I'd rather lose in a competitive league with competent/high IQ/shark type players than win in a league of incompetent/lower IQ/novice types who play FF just to say they play. How can you even offer that for Jimmy Graham?

 

[TALL hobbit]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

In this case you're hoping that the other owner values his players and your players differently than you do. Otherwise, you'll need to go get other pieces or overpay.

Based on the situation you presented so far - there's no reason for either team to trade for reasons other than personal preference.

Make him a legitimate offer for the player you want hoping that he's higher on your players than you are.

Consider two players like Doug Martin and Jamaal Charles for redraft. Based on ADP these players should have similar values - but some owners are much higher on one over the other. If your teams are truly similar - just offer up the player(s) on your team that are equal to the piece you want. If your not in that type of situation, then it seems you should have some strengths where he doesn't.

A fair offer will either get you the player, let you know the player isn't available, or, hopefully, start a legitimate trade discussion.

You want his player - so you need to be able to answer the question of why he should make the trade.

 

[TALL hobbit]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

I know this is not the trade thread, but...

• Suh-spended Arm Stomping Brigade gave up Hawkins, Andrew CIN WR; Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
• Champtastics gave up Leshoure, Mikel DET RB; Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept.

I'd rather lose in a competitive league with competent/high IQ/shark type players than win in a league of incompetent/lower IQ/novelist types who play FF just to say they play.

How can you even offer that for Jimmy Graham?

Agree with all of this - except, what's your beef with novelists?

 

[Biabreakable]

Maybe Novelists trade offers read like a prospectus? I am guessing perhaps the intended word was Novices, but I could be wrong.

A Novelist should at least be an interesting person to have in the league and should be able to explain their position in negotiations I would think. Of course they might also make a lot of stuff up. I would not be opposed to being in a league with such people. At least they aren't poets. Perhaps poets would be preferred for their brevity.

As far as the OP is concerned I think it depends on how much you really want the player.

If you are just looking for value then you do not want to overpay, and are not picky about where you find that value.

If you are targeting one specific player because that is the player you most want on your team, then you are going to have to over pay. The person who has that player more than likely values that player as much as if not more than you do. They will not want to part with the player for reasonable value. More often than not they would rather keep that special player if you are only offering fair value. The only way to change their mind is to offer them more than fair value and possibly a lot more. So the question to ask yourself is how much are you willing to overpay? How much is too much? Make an offer somewhere in between those 2 things.

 

[jwb]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, typical and horrible advice.

Of course you want him to come with a legit offer toy our liking, but why would he start with a high offer? To satisfy you? lmao

Ever hear of negotiation, I never have started with high offers and for what it is worth I have made 41 trades in my league since start of February.

Gained Graham for LeShoure, Finley and a 2nd. No crap he would of took more if I offered it, but the point is value, not just give away good stuff to suit your starting point... You send trades hoping to make a deal for your team, not give other teams players just because.

TJ Graham maybe...

I know this is not the trade thread, but...

• Suh-spended Arm Stomping Brigade gave up Hawkins, Andrew CIN WR; Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
• Champtastics gave up Leshoure, Mikel DET RB; Finley, Jermichael GBP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Any trade is possible if you work hard and keep sending offers, you never know what people will accept.

I'd rather lose in a competitive league with competent/high IQ/shark type players than win in a league of incompetent/lower IQ/novelist types who play FF just to say they play.

How can you even offer that for Jimmy Graham?

True that - this kind of thing ruins leagues.

 

[Run It Up]

Half of the suggestions in here are insulting.

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Best advice in this thread, good post.

 

[SWC]

brohan you have to have ninja jedi powers and make them do what you want well they think they are doing what is the best thing for them and then bam when the guy you trade for is ripping ones all the way to the endzone and the guy you gave up is broken down and stinking up the joint then you know you are a master warrior from the clans of the hills of yore take that to the bank brohans

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In your experience what's the best way to obtain a guy you want? Especially when you have the same type of team: you are not dealing from a strength to their weakness, but just trinh to get a players. The guy I want has a very similar team to me.

First off I say you should never propose a blatently ridiculous trade to anyone. I get offers like this all the time, where the other owner explains "This was just a starting point", but spare me. Either come with a legit trade offer or keep it to yourself.

In most trades, if you're going after a particular player, you need to provide value toward a position where the other owner is lacking. And more times than not, that owner will need to have a servicable player to replace the one you're requesting.

If both of these conditions fail, then you're probably going to be stuck with offering a two player trade. You'll get the player you're targeting, probably for a lesser replacement. But you're also going to have to throw in another player and take a lesser player in trade from the other team. This way you both downgrade at one position, but upgrade at another position.

Great advice.

Typically if you are trading a player because you hate him, then chances are the offeree will feel the same way. No matter the value, they just aren't interested in getting the player, even if it's (in your opinion) to their advantage.

But also, some owners just don't trade. I think over-offering, and/or a direct email or phone call, is the only thing that gets an owner who does not trade generally to trade.

For instance. There are a lot of great RBs, but many owners overdraft one position, and are lacking at others. Someone is lacking RB depth, others are loaded with it. Right after the draft, and before the WW season opens, should be the prime time for trading. Some owners would rather just wait and see what happens week 1 though.

 

[Englishteacher]

good topic