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Brees and the Saints ushered in a new era in NFL football. The Saints quickly became my favorite team to watch after Brees and Payton arrived. Win or lose you knew the game was going to be fun to watch. Also I always tried to get Saints players on my FF teams. Had Brees a few times, Colston his rookie year and twice after, Henderson once, Graham.
He's #6 in all time in Passing TDs and #8 in all time in passing yards.
Watch yesterday's game. He finds creative ways to lose --- like getting the defense fired up to get INTs because he's so busy trash talking them.
He should be, but Marino is still better IMO. The NFL was not a pass happy entertainment fest when guys like Marino, Montana, Elway, etc were playing. Makes what Marino did even more awesome to me.
Yep.
I actually watched Brees with the Chargers. It wasn't pretty for the first part. That might have been why the parted ways with him.
I distinctly remember him looking good his last two years with the Chargers. He had 4,418 yards 26 TDs 64.3% completion and 4423 yards and 28 TDs and 67.5% completion.
For the first part, I said. It was awful. The last two was about right. They didn't sign him because of shoulder issues, IIRC.
No, they absolutely don't. This has been covered many times in the Shark Pool, including in this very thread.
If someone is ranking by titles, I get Brady and Manning (I guess) ... but when people think Rodgers is better than Brees, what are the criteria? Beyond scrambling/running, what's going into that Rodgers > Brees equation?
Brees's history in San Diego:
I know you're a big Rivers and NC State homer, but you have to admit Brees' career has been a lot better than Rivers. That's the reason why the Chargers would probably have been better off keeping Brees and trading Rivers.
Of course his career has been better; I have never suggested otherwise. But that is because of his years in New Orleans, not his years in San Diego. Brees got to play for Sean Payton there, while Rivers played all but 1 starting season in his career for Norv Turner, Mike McCoy, and Anthony Lynn. Apples and oranges.
I agree that you can't say that Brees' success would have been guaranteed in San Diego, but in hindsight there is a good chance it would have. Or at least in the eyes of non-biased eyes it would have.
I'm fine agreeing to disagree that the Chargers would have been better off if Brees had stayed with the Chargers for his entire career to date and the team instead traded or released Rivers, assuming all of the same dysfunction (Spanos organization), coaching staffs (Norv, McCoy, Lynn), and surrounding talent (e.g., mostly poor OL).
He is under contract through 2019, but he has indicated he wants to remain the starter at least until the team moves into Kroenke's stadium, scheduled for the 2020 season. I think he will probably play 2-4 more seasons after this one. A lot probably depends on how good the team is around him. If the team stays in playoff contention, I think he is more likely to play longer. If it crashes again under Lynn, I think he is more likely to retire sooner.
The thing I like about Rivers is that his leadership qualities remind me of Bert Jones. I think Jones was a better passer, but his career was cut short due to injuries. Some have said that Jones could have been the best ever at the position and Bill Belichick said he was the best pure passer he's ever seen and that includes Tom Brady. Rivers has that same field presence and I like him for it.
Difference being one is a reasonable debate among fans. The other is a drunk Lions fan.
I always thought Rodgers and Manning for that matter were coronated by the football community prematurely with little regard for past achievements. It was as if they were assumed to be great and the burden of proof was the on those questioning them. On the other hand, Brees and Brady had to prove it more - which of course they did.
Stafford hasn't missed a game since 2010. If you were to assume that Stafford played to the same age Brees is now how many yards do you think he'll have?
Who cares how many yards he will have? How many titles will he have? What will his lifetime winning % be?Considering this thread got bumped as Brees was about to break the yardage record after many months of inactivity I'm guessing some people care about yards. But maybe I'm wrong.
Stafford and Brees don't belong in the same sentence when discussing QBs and their all time ranking.
Actually, Brady and Montanta will be compared in the future because they win championshipS. Several.
There is more to ranking QBs than rings because american football is about more than one player. Having said that, I would rank all-time QBs as Montana #1 and Brady #2 (reluctantly).
Whatever man. Keep moving whatever imaginary bar you're trying to create in here. Nobody will be comparing Brees and Stafford. It's a ridiculous concept unless something radical changes.
As a Lion fan Stafford is a good QB..not an elite QB by any means.
Stafford and Brees don't belong in the same sentence when discussing QBs and their all time ranking.
Don't know don't care. Don't care about Brees yardage either. It's the leadership that matters.
You do realize that Brees has won a Superbowl--Stafford hasn't come close--and that he has set NFL all time passing records right? Stafford? Not in the same conversation.
I think you have me on the wrong side of this argument. Maybe my post was unclear, but I don't think Stafford is anywhere close to Brees. Stafford is average.az_prof said:
How many times has Stafford even made the playoffs? He's average, nothing more.BoltBacker said:
