How early do you draft Larry Johnson (1 Viewer)

[John 14:6]

This was mentioned in another thread:

Priest and LJ thread

Larry Johnson has an ADP in the 5th round. However, this could be due to overzealous Priest owners wanting to secure his back-up.

I'm wondering if he could be had later. If you did NOT already have Priest, what's the earliest you would draft LJ?

Assuming standard scoring and start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR/TE, 1 KI, and 1 DT.

 

[Z-Dog]

I still like him in the 5th, and I don't think there's anything overzealous about it. In terms of stats, even assuming Holmes is fully healthy, LJ should still be good for about 1000 yards and over 5 TDs. By the numbers, that makes him better than most RB3s, which is what your'e drafting in the 5th round. And if Holmes goes down, LJ can be expected to put up Holmes-like numbers. Nobody has that upside. Finally, even if Holmes is healthy, lJ never loses his trade value to the Priest owner.

 

[podunker]

In a redraft, he is just a talented BACK UP RB. I would much rather have Duce Staley in the 5th or 6th as my RB3. I would never take a back up RB any earlier than the 7th and probably wouldn't then. Too much risk with LJ. If Holmes stays healthy, LJ won't see the field much. I totally disagree with the 1000 yd prediction.

 

[Warhogs]

The key question is if you are talking dynasty or redraft. That makes a huge difference. In a dynasty I might take him as early as round 4 or 5. In a redraft I would not consider him until about round 6 or 7 meaning somebody else will probably over value him IMO and grab him before me.

 

[Otis]

In a deep dynasty draft a couple months ago I took him in the 2nd. There is no doubt in my mind that LJ will see time this year and will be the full-time starter there soon. When that happens, I also have no doubt he's an instant top-3 fantasy back. Some people laughed at the pick, but really I preferred his upside to that of the guys on the board (Tiki, Curtis, Dunn, etc.). I probably should have waited a round for value reasons, although at least one other owner who picked after me in the 2nd admitted he was targeting him there and would have taken him anyway, so who knows.I may be in the minority, and sure, I maybe could have had Tiki AND LJ, but I simply did not want to risk losing out on him. I value him that highly.

 

[hollaatyaboy]

I still like him in the 5th, and I don't think there's anything overzealous about it.

In terms of stats, even assuming Holmes is fully healthy, LJ should still be good for about 1000 yards and over 5 TDs. By the numbers, that makes him better than most RB3s, which is what your'e drafting in the 5th round. And if Holmes goes down, LJ can be expected to put up Holmes-like numbers. Nobody has that upside. Finally, even if Holmes is healthy, lJ never loses his trade value to the Priest owner.

You are insane to think if Priest stays 100% that LJ will put that up. Why would Priest be rated #3 overall by so many if anyone thought that was going to happen?

 

[Otis]

I still like him in the 5th, and I don't think there's anything overzealous about it.

In terms of stats, even assuming Holmes is fully healthy, LJ should still be good for about 1000 yards and over 5 TDs. By the numbers, that makes him better than most RB3s, which is what your'e drafting in the 5th round. And if Holmes goes down, LJ can be expected to put up Holmes-like numbers. Nobody has that upside. Finally, even if Holmes is healthy, lJ never loses his trade value to the Priest owner.

You are insane to think if Priest stays 100% that LJ will put that up. Why would Priest be rated #3 overall by so many if anyone thought that was going to happen?

I don't think this is insane at all. I'd bet my bottom dollar that Priest can no longer take a full-load of pounding and remain healthy. LJ will see his.

 

[hollaatyaboy]

I still like him in the 5th, and I don't think there's anything overzealous about it.

In terms of stats, even assuming Holmes is fully healthy, LJ should still be good for about 1000 yards and over 5 TDs. By the numbers, that makes him better than most RB3s, which is what your'e drafting in the 5th round. And if Holmes goes down, LJ can be expected to put up Holmes-like numbers. Nobody has that upside. Finally, even if Holmes is healthy, lJ never loses his trade value to the Priest owner.

You are insane to think if Priest stays 100% that LJ will put that up. Why would Priest be rated #3 overall by so many if anyone thought that was going to happen?

I don't think this is insane at all. I'd bet my bottom dollar that Priest can no longer take a full-load of pounding and remain healthy. LJ will see his.

I said if priest stays 100%. you said , at first, he will put up 1000 if priest stays fully healthy. 100%=fully healthy.

 

[Tom Servo]

I still like him in the 5th, and I don't think there's anything overzealous about it.

In terms of stats, even assuming Holmes is fully healthy, LJ should still be good for about 1000 yards and over 5 TDs. By the numbers, that makes him better than most RB3s, which is what your'e drafting in the 5th round.

Pull out the breathalyzer; there's too much going on.

Never drink and post projections for backup running backs.

 

[CapGuru]

I think he is certainly worth it in the 6th. I was able to get him at #81 overall (7th round) this year as RB3 just before the Priest owner tried to handcuff him.

 

[Franknbeans]

Shhhhh, I am targeting him in the 10th round of our current draft.

 

[Otis]

Not many young backs have this kind of upside (let alone have already put these numbers up over a 5-game stretch in the NFL):Rush: 20/118/1 Rec: 3/56/1Rush: 7/104/2 Rec: 2/19Rush: 30/151/2 Rec: 0Rush: 25/79/2 Rec: 4/43Rush: 17/46/1 Rec: 8/115/1

 

[Maulers]

7th round at the earliest. He is a backup RB right now with no chance to unseat a healthy Holmes. There is just no way to get around this. If you do not have Holmes I wouldnt touch LJ prior to round 7 in a redraft. 4th round in a dynasty league. Keep in mind that when Priest leaves it sounds like Vermeil, Roaf, etc are gone and there goes the whole scheme. LJ may be a stud in waiting behind the 05 OL but what will the 06 or 07 OL be?

 

[humans_being]

I still like him in the 5th, and I don't think there's anything overzealous about it.

In terms of stats, even assuming Holmes is fully healthy, LJ should still be good for about 1000 yards and over 5 TDs. By the numbers, that makes him better than most RB3s, which is what your'e drafting in the 5th round. And if Holmes goes down, LJ can be expected to put up Holmes-like numbers. Nobody has that upside. Finally, even if Holmes is healthy, lJ never loses his trade value to the Priest owner.

You are insane to think if Priest stays 100% that LJ will put that up. Why would Priest be rated #3 overall by so many if anyone thought that was going to happen?

I don't think this is insane at all. I'd bet my bottom dollar that Priest can no longer take a full-load of pounding and remain healthy. LJ will see his.

I agree. Took him at 6.03 in No Mercy Barracuda (where traditionally RB's go fast and furious) having already drafted Tiki and Julius. IMO there is no way he just rots on the bench after last years showing. At worst LJ spells Holmes and puts up nice RB3 #'s.1.10 Barber

2.03 Julius

3.10 A. Gates

4.03 R. Wayne

5.10 D. Driver

6.03 L. Johnson

7.10 R. Smith

 

[P Boy]

I find it borderline astonishing that we are seeing these kinds of comments & demands for Johnson when at this time last year all but a handful of the people here thought he nothing better than a piece of garbage...

 

[Warhogs]

In what may be one of my worst trades in many years I traded Larry Johnson for Tony Hollings before last season started. I was trading to get Domanick Davis' handcuff and LJ was the #3 RB behind Blaylock at that time.Anyway, I think another poster made an important point. In a couple of years he will probably be KC starting RB but Vermeil will be gone as well as a couple of those OL guys. Then we will find out if LJ is good or benefitting from everything else.

 

[TheFanatic]

Why would Priest be rated #3 overall by so many if anyone thought that was going to happen?

Because people that think Priest is the #3 overall RB this year are idiots. Plain and simple. People have tunnel vision when it comes to this guy. They saw what he did a couple of years ago and in 8 games last year but forget that he will be 32 in October and has a problem finishing seasons. He hasn't finished 2 of his last 3 seasons. 2 years ago he bailed in week 14. How's that for timing? Ride the guy to the playoffs, but then he goes down which is also after the trade deadline in most leagues. Not a guy to rely on unless you have insane depth, but that won't happen in most redrafts because you have to draft him too high. 32 YO RB's that have a hard time finishing seasons don't finish 3rd overall. Too many people are holding onto the past in order to realize this.

One of two things happens. Vermiel runs him hard every game and he breaks down again like last year. Not top 5. Or, Vermiel spells him with LJ quite a lot to keep Priest Healthy and again not top 5. Anyone up for a Sig bet on this, I'm all for it. Salmon Stud lost a sig bet last year on this very same subject to me. He was sure that Priest was a lock for top 5 last year. He was wrong. A year removed from that? I'll take all comers. Please PM if you want to take me up on this.....

 

[ko-jack]

i say between 5-6, depending on league size/starting lineup requirements. eventually you hit the spot where the next several wrs/qbs/tes are interchangeable. its either LJ or a top defense.

 

[Tau837]

I still like him in the 5th, and I don't think there's anything overzealous about it.

In terms of stats, even assuming Holmes is fully healthy, LJ should still be good for about 1000 yards and over 5 TDs. By the numbers, that makes him better than most RB3s, which is what your'e drafting in the 5th round. And if Holmes goes down, LJ can be expected to put up Holmes-like numbers. Nobody has that upside. Finally, even if Holmes is healthy, lJ never loses his trade value to the Priest owner.

You are insane to think if Priest stays 100% that LJ will put that up. Why would Priest be rated #3 overall by so many if anyone thought that was going to happen?

I don't think this is insane at all. I'd bet my bottom dollar that Priest can no longer take a full-load of pounding and remain healthy. LJ will see his.

So was it his inability to take the full load that allowed him to play only 8 games last year and still finish as RB12?Here is where you point out that he wasn't able to remain healthy with that load.

To which I respond, yeah, it was that full load that caused that defender to hit his knee last season, right?

 

[trader jake]

i say between 5-6, depending on league size/starting lineup requirements.

eventually you hit the spot where the next several wrs/qbs/tes are interchangeable. its either LJ or a top defense.

exactly, this is why i selected him late 4th in the zealot masters draft. end of round 4/round 5 the players are mostly interchangeable...so i swung for a home run. i'd rather take my chances with larry johnson here than what some are doing selecting a te in the 3rd, etc

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

In a deep dynasty draft a couple months ago I took him in the 2nd.

There is no doubt in my mind that LJ will see time this year and will be the full-time starter there soon. When that happens, I also have no doubt he's an instant top-3 fantasy back.

Some people laughed at the pick, but really I preferred his upside to that of the guys on the board (Tiki, Curtis, Dunn, etc.). I probably should have waited a round for value reasons, although at least one other owner who picked after me in the 2nd admitted he was targeting him there and would have taken him anyway, so who knows.

I may be in the minority, and sure, I maybe could have had Tiki AND LJ, but I simply did not want to risk losing out on him. I value him that highly.

As far as dynasty ADP, you are right. I imagine that he lasts to the third round in < 20% of dynasty drafts. He has gone in the second in every draft I've seen.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

In a redraft, you can get LJ very late fifth or early 6th in a 12 team league.In most, the Priest owner doesn't pull the trigger early 5th and is praying that he falls back to him at the end of the 6th.It also depends on what others have on their roster at the time if you're drafting at the end of the 5th. For example, I recently drafted at 5.11 and had 2 RB's. The guy picking 5.12 and 6.01 only had 2 Rb's as well.........so I felt he was at least going 1 RB and didn't want him to take my guy.On the flip side, if a guy went RB, RB, RB, WR in the first 3 rounds, I would have gambled and drafted maybe a wide receiver at 5.11 and then taken Johnson at 6.02 because the owner behind me didn't really have a need to gamble on Johnson with 3 RB's already on board.The same kind of philsophy can be taken at 5.10.......but then you've got 2 owners to look at.But again, late 5th and early 6th.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Love the FBGs that can predict season-ending injuries.

 

[TheFanatic]

Love the FBGs that can predict season-ending injuries.

I didn't predict a season ending injury. I predicted that age would catch up to him. Could a younger Priest have come back late in the season? I'm not sure. But younger players heal faster. A 24 y.o. RB might bounce back after a single game while a 32 RB may take 3 games to recover. Priest's best days are behind him, and those that place him in the preseason top 5 are fools. Funny about you taking this shot, oh so subtely, yet you didn't bother to send me a PM taking me up in the sig bet.....Nice waffle there....

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Love the FBGs that can predict season-ending injuries.

Please. So you think that these five guys are equally likely to get injured?LaDainian Tomlinson

Deshaun Foster

Priest Holmes

Corey Dillon

Michael Bennett

Or these three:

Michael Vick

Brett Favre

Peyton Manning

Priest has two things going against him. 1) He is old for a RB. He doesn't have as much wear and tear as most 32-year olds, but he does have a slow recovery time, and his body is a bit more fragile than the youngsters'. 2) He has a very reckless running style. I love watching him at the goal-line, but jumping over piles (which he does more than most RB's) is not a recipe for a 16-game season.

He is not certain to get injured, but the odds are better than average that he will.

 

[P Boy]

One of two things happens. Vermiel runs him hard every game and he breaks down again like last year. Not top 5. Or, Vermiel spells him with LJ quite a lot to keep Priest Healthy and again not top 5. Anyone up for a Sig bet on this, I'm all for it. Salmon Stud lost a sig bet last year on this very same subject to me. He was sure that Priest was a lock for top 5 last year. He was wrong. A year removed from that? I'll take all comers. Please PM if you want to take me up on this.....

I prefer to drop trou right here in front of everyone rather than through PMs.I accept your offer of a bet. .1/6/.5 work for you?

 

[jurb26]

I would still take him in the 5-6 range as well. I just don't have faith in Holmes lasting the whole year. His age and previous problems are very worrisome.

 

[radballs.]

But again, late 5th and early 6th.

I'm confused by this. If you take Priest, you are most likely taking him at 1.03 or 1.04. To get LJ, you either have to get him at 5.03 or wait and pray that he falls to 6.10. The options are either early 5th or late 6th. Personally, I won't touch a backup in the 5th. If I take Holmes I will most likely get other RB depth and hope that if he gets dinged up, it's not a season ending type of injury.

 

[TheFanatic]

One of two things happens.  Vermiel runs him hard every game and he breaks down again like last year.  Not top 5.  Or, Vermiel spells him with LJ quite a lot to keep Priest Healthy and again not top 5.  Anyone up for a Sig bet on this, I'm all for it.  Salmon Stud lost a sig bet last year on this very same subject to me.  He was sure that Priest was a lock for top 5 last year.  He was wrong.  A year removed from that?  I'll take all comers.  Please PM if you want to take me up on this.....

I prefer to drop trou right here in front of everyone rather than through PMs.I accept your offer of a bet. .1/6/.5 work for you?

Not sure what .1/6/.5 means. That's why this should be done in a PM and not hijack the thread....

Clarify this number system and we may have a bet....

 

[P Boy]

One of two things happens.  Vermiel runs him hard every game and he breaks down again like last year.  Not top 5.  Or, Vermiel spells him with LJ quite a lot to keep Priest Healthy and again not top 5.  Anyone up for a Sig bet on this, I'm all for it.  Salmon Stud lost a sig bet last year on this very same subject to me.  He was sure that Priest was a lock for top 5 last year.  He was wrong.  A year removed from that?  I'll take all comers.  Please PM if you want to take me up on this.....

I prefer to drop trou right here in front of everyone rather than through PMs.I accept your offer of a bet. .1/6/.5 work for you?

Not sure what .1/6/.5 means. That's why this should be done in a PM and not hijack the thread....

Clarify this number system and we may have a bet....

.1 pt per rush/rec yd6 pts per TD

.5 pts per reception

Keep it simple this way...

 

[TheFanatic]

One of two things happens.  Vermiel runs him hard every game and he breaks down again like last year.  Not top 5.  Or, Vermiel spells him with LJ quite a lot to keep Priest Healthy and again not top 5.  Anyone up for a Sig bet on this, I'm all for it.  Salmon Stud lost a sig bet last year on this very same subject to me.  He was sure that Priest was a lock for top 5 last year.  He was wrong.  A year removed from that?  I'll take all comers.  Please PM if you want to take me up on this.....

I prefer to drop trou right here in front of everyone rather than through PMs.I accept your offer of a bet. .1/6/.5 work for you?

Not sure what .1/6/.5 means. That's why this should be done in a PM and not hijack the thread....

Clarify this number system and we may have a bet....

.1 pt per rush/rec yd6 pts per TD

.5 pts per reception

Keep it simple this way...

Ok, I get it now. But, I was talking about a standard scoring system. 1 pt per 10 yards rushing or receiving and 6 per TD. No points for receptions. That put the bet unfairly in your favor. Standard scoring system. Priest finishes in the top 5 you come up with a signature for me. Priest finishes 6th place or better. I come up with a sig for you. Sig stays up for a week. Sound good to you or would you like to make the sig stay longer?

 

[P Boy]

Ok, I get it now.  But, I was talking about a standard scoring system.  1 pt per 10 yards rushing or receiving and 6 per TD.  No points for receptions.  That put the bet unfairly in your favor.  Standard scoring system.  Priest finishes in the top 5 you come up with a signature for me.  Priest finishes 6th place or better.  I come up with a sig for you.  Sig stays up for a week.  Sound good to you or would you like to make the sig stay longer?

Somehow I knew you'd cower. I offered .5 pts/recpetion as a halfway between 0 pts & 1 ppr. A RB ought to get some FF credit for being a threat to catch out of the backfield.I offered a fair compromise straight from the start. Let's see you back up your words. You're the one convinced he won't come close to getting through the season or that he'll have a significantly reduced role. If so, the additional pts/reception won't be a factor..1/6/.5 is what I offer. Take it or leave it.

 

[jurb26]

A RB ought to get some FF credit for being a threat to catch out of the backfield.

I know this is off topic, but I disagree with this view. It's not like RBs don't get enough points as is. They do get rewarded for rec, so long as they get yds with them. I don't really see why giving points to a RB who was simply a saftey valve and dump off is all that important. If they turn the play into something, they will still get the yds and TDs. In short, I have never been a fan of offering RBs points for rec.

 

[P Boy]

I know this is off topic, but I disagree with this view. It's not like RBs don't get enough points as is. They do get rewarded for rec, so long as they get yds with them. I don't really see why giving points to a RB who was simply a saftey valve and dump off is all that important. If they turn the play into something, they will still get the yds and TDs. In short, I have never been a fan of offering RBs points for rec.

That's your opinion. I think that a RB who is capable of being a dump off does several things positive for his team's offense: He occupies a LB in coverage, which means the LB may not be lurking in a drop zone, which could prevent an INT. A RB who is capable of being dumped off to may save a sack, which is not only a loss of down but negative yardage as well. A RB who is capable of being dumped off to & catching the ball turns a INC in to a completion, and gets an opportunity of turning a lost down (negative play) into a positive play. And that doesn't include guys like Holmes who can turn a 5 yd pass into a 40 yd TD.A safety valve RB is very important to an offense as far as staying on the field, moving the chains, and putting more pressure on the D.In any case, I offered the compromise & I stand by it. Part of Holmes great value when he is on the field is that he does have to be accounted for on every pass play. I won't ask for 1 ppr, but I want some credit for it. It's part of what makes Holmes the best when he's on the field. It's the same thing that separated Faulk so far from the pack when Faulk was in his prime.

 

[Bri]

LJ love is ridiculous on these boards. Nah already debated this plenty.Someone bump these threads in december please, TIA

 

[jwvdcw]

Love the FBGs that can predict season-ending injuries.

I didn't predict a season ending injury. I predicted that age would catch up to him. Could a younger Priest have come back late in the season? I'm not sure. But younger players heal faster. A 24 y.o. RB might bounce back after a single game while a 32 RB may take 3 games to recover. Priest's best days are behind him, and those that place him in the preseason top 5 are fools. Funny about you taking this shot, oh so subtely, yet you didn't bother to send me a PM taking me up in the sig bet.....Nice waffle there....

I would do a sig bet that Priest will finish with top 7 RB numbers. Send me a fax if you're interested.

 

[cstu]

LJ love is ridiculous on these boards. Nah already debated this plenty.

Someone bump these threads in december please, TIA

It's not LJ love, it's Chiefs OL love. It's been proved quite clearly that any RB on the Chiefs will put up big numbers - their OL is just that good.

 

[cstu]

I know this is off topic, but I disagree with this view. It's not like RBs don't get enough points as is. They do get rewarded for rec, so long as they get yds with them. I don't really see why giving points to a RB who was simply a saftey valve and dump off is all that important. If they turn the play into something, they will still get the yds and TDs. In short, I have never been a fan of offering RBs points for rec.

That's your opinion. I think that a RB who is capable of being a dump off does several things positive for his team's offense: He occupies a LB in coverage, which means the LB may not be lurking in a drop zone, which could prevent an INT. A RB who is capable of being dumped off to may save a sack, which is not only a loss of down but negative yardage as well. A RB who is capable of being dumped off to & catching the ball turns a INC in to a completion, and gets an opportunity of turning a lost down (negative play) into a positive play. And that doesn't include guys like Holmes who can turn a 5 yd pass into a 40 yd TD.A safety valve RB is very important to an offense as far as staying on the field, moving the chains, and putting more pressure on the D.

In any case, I offered the compromise & I stand by it. Part of Holmes great value when he is on the field is that he does have to be accounted for on every pass play. I won't ask for 1 ppr, but I want some credit for it. It's part of what makes Holmes the best when he's on the field. It's the same thing that separated Faulk so far from the pack when Faulk was in his prime.

RB's get enough credit for receiving through their yardage and don't need 1pt./rec. The problem with 1pt./rec. for RB's is that the passes they catch are generally not much different that a handoff (< 5 yards from the LOS). Usually they catch the ball in open space without a defender around, making it much different than what a WR or TE has to do to catch a ball.

 

[massraider]

Just completed a dynasty draft, only my third dynasty, so I'm no pro, but I scored him at the end of the 8th round (had the 1st pick), which was a total steal. Most of the guys in my league are dynasty novices, so if there's even two sharks in that league, I'd expect him to go in the 4th to 6th round.In a redraft, it seems like there's decent depth at RB, with 4 potential rook starters as well, so I'll just let someone else take that risk this year in my only redraft league later this summer. If LJ falls, I'll grab him, but I'm betting he goes in the 7th or 8th round. We also have a rule that allows you to keep one player after round 6, so I could see the guy with the first pick in the 7th jumping on him. If you draft Priest in redraft, you gotta sweat till you pick up LJ, and every league has that rat that'll snake him first chance he gets. And if you don't have Priest, and you take LJ early, and Priest stays healthy for the majority of the season, you get nothing.

 

[Tiger Fan]

I too don't think Priest will finish the season, but there's no way I'm going to waste a 6th round pick on the risk that someone else will get hurt.

 

[Mo Green]

I wouldn't go higher than the ninth round.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Love the FBGs that can predict season-ending injuries.

I didn't predict a season ending injury. I predicted that age would catch up to him. Could a younger Priest have come back late in the season? I'm not sure. But younger players heal faster. A 24 y.o. RB might bounce back after a single game while a 32 RB may take 3 games to recover. Priest's best days are behind him, and those that place him in the preseason top 5 are fools. Funny about you taking this shot, oh so subtely, yet you didn't bother to send me a PM taking me up in the sig bet.....Nice waffle there....

I would do a sig bet that Priest will finish with top 7 RB numbers. Send me a fax if you're interested.

Why top 7, he's being drafted top 3. I'd be willing to bet a sig. bet that he doesn't finish top 3. I feel very confident of that.

 

[TheFanatic]

Ok, I get it now.  But, I was talking about a standard scoring system.  1 pt per 10 yards rushing or receiving and 6 per TD.  No points for receptions.  That put the bet unfairly in your favor. 

Standard scoring system.  Priest finishes in the top 5 you come up with a signature for me.  Priest finishes 6th place or better.  I come up with a sig for you.  Sig stays up for a week.  Sound good to you or would you like to make the sig stay longer?

Somehow I knew you'd cower. I offered .5 pts/recpetion as a halfway between 0 pts & 1 ppr. A RB ought to get some FF credit for being a threat to catch out of the backfield.I offered a fair compromise straight from the start. Let's see you back up your words. You're the one convinced he won't come close to getting through the season or that he'll have a significantly reduced role. If so, the additional pts/reception won't be a factor.

.1/6/.5 is what I offer. Take it or leave it.

I'm cowering? That's a load of crap and ypu know it. You are trying to rig the bet into your favor. If we were discussing where Jamal Lewis will be at the end of the season you couldn't care less about pts. per reception. You want to add pts/reception because Priest is a big time pass catching threat, which is part of the reason why he tore it up in the past. A STANDARD scoring league is what the vast majority of FFB players abide by yet you accuse me of cowering. Quit hiding behind the notion that you want to give him credit for what he does in the receiving game. What you want is the added advantage of what he does in the receiving game to help you win the bet. How about we go with a STANDARD system rather than one skewed in your favor? If you can handle that or are you going to weakly try to push this off as me cowering again? In which case I guess you will perpetuate that wonderful reputation you've acquired on this board. Good luck with that.....

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I too don't think Priest will finish the season, but there's no way I'm going to waste a 6th round pick on the risk that someone else will get hurt.

Locking up a running game that gave us 500 points last year is not wasting IMO. It's almost putting you into the playoffs if you can put together a few more decent players on your team.

 

[TheFanatic]

I too don't think Priest will finish the season, but there's no way I'm going to waste a 6th round pick on the risk that someone else will get hurt.

Locking up a running game that gave us 500 points last year is not wasting IMO. It's almost putting you into the playoffs if you can put together a few more decent players on your team.

Particularly if the portion of that 500 points that LJ provides is at the end of the season. So, if Priest is the man for the first 8 games and LJ is the man for the last 8 games (as was the case last year) then which player has the better chance of winning you a championship?If Priest isn't healthy at the end of the season, then the LJ owner is going to have one helluva player on his roster....

 

[Nugget]

Larry Johnson predicted 2005 stats:85 Carries, 390 yards, 3 TDs.10 Catches, 75 Yards, 0 scores.People are making too much out of the end of last season with Larry Johnson. If the Chiefs had been in the playoff race near the end of last season, Priest would have been back on the field. They started off so poorly they could not comeback back and hence the LJ show. The Chiefs will be much improved this season and LJ will be used to give Priest quick breathers. Priest is in excellent shape and will be the man this season. LJ is a good dynasty pick, especially if he can be had late 2nd round.

 

[P Boy]

I'm cowering?  That's a load of crap and ypu know it.  You are trying to rig the bet into your favor.  If we were discussing where Jamal Lewis will be at the end of the season you couldn't care less about pts. per reception.  You want to add pts/reception because Priest is a big time pass catching threat, which is part of the reason why he tore it up in the past. 

A STANDARD scoring league is what the vast majority of FFB players abide by yet you accuse me of cowering.  Quit hiding behind the notion that you want to give him credit for what he does in the receiving game.  What you want is the added advantage of what he does in the receiving game to help you win the bet.  How about we go with a STANDARD system rather than one skewed in your favor?  If you can handle that or are you going to weakly try to push this off as me cowering again?     In which case I guess you will perpetuate that wonderful reputation you've acquired on this board.  Good luck with that.....

LOL. My reputation? I back up what I post.My offer is on the board. You are the one calling those who think Holmes can finish top 3 idiots - something I have never done on this board, ever, over the years I've been here - going back to cheatsheets.net. You are running your mouth about Holmes not finishing the season 2 of the last 3 years. Your clear implication is that Holmes will finish well out of the top 5.

Now you get called on it & you are tucking tail, making excuses, and dodging. Who is the one with the reputation, my friend? You talked some serious talk, let's see you walk the walk. Some leagues give 0 pts for RB receptions. Some leagues give 1 pt for RB receptions. I offered a reasonable compromise of .5 pts per reception. I don't think there is any question that part of Holmes' great value is that he is a vital part of the passing game, not an afterthought after all other options have been exhausted. Perhaps you feel differently, and if so please expound.

C'mon, now. You are obviously convinced that Holmes will come nowhere near the top 5. Why should the .5 pts/rec matter to you, then? If he plays a partial season, either by being in a RBBC or by being injured, he can only amass, what, 40-50 receptions at the most? IF your predictions are true, as you have vehemently portrayed, then what difference is that 20-25 pts going to make? The difference between those receptions and those of whatever other RBs finish in the top 5 can't be that great, can it? Even if the worst of the top 5 RBs this year finishes with 30 receptions - fewer than 2 per game - that difference only becomes 5-10 FF pts. Do you think Holmes is going to finish with 5-10 pts of the top 5 FF RBs? It doesn't sound like it from the tone of your post. Maybe I'm just another one of those idiots, though.

So, what's it going to be? Are you going to accept the offer? Simple enough, I would think, for someone taking the position that you have.

Maybe you'll dodge some more & put up those cute like rolling eyes smilies. I'm sure that will make everyone else here realize what a standup guy you are, as opposed to me & my reputation, whatever that is.

 

[red]

this is good info for priest owners...looks like a nice bell shaped curve with the median being around the 6th round, but likely needing a 5th rounder to shore up the KC backfield. if you're like me and like to draft QBs late, then conceivable your draft may look like this:1-priest2-rb (poss WR if it's a top 3-5 guy, but you'll likely need a RB since your burning a pick in round 5 on a back-up)3-wr (or RB if you went WR in round 2)4-wr5-LJ or best avail and hope that LJ lands in the 6th6-LJ or best avail

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm cowering?  That's a load of crap and ypu know it.  You are trying to rig the bet into your favor.  If we were discussing where Jamal Lewis will be at the end of the season you couldn't care less about pts. per reception.  You want to add pts/reception because Priest is a big time pass catching threat, which is part of the reason why he tore it up in the past. 

A STANDARD scoring league is what the vast majority of FFB players abide by yet you accuse me of cowering.  Quit hiding behind the notion that you want to give him credit for what he does in the receiving game.  What you want is the added advantage of what he does in the receiving game to help you win the bet.  How about we go with a STANDARD system rather than one skewed in your favor?  If you can handle that or are you going to weakly try to push this off as me cowering again?     In which case I guess you will perpetuate that wonderful reputation you've acquired on this board.  Good luck with that.....

LOL. My reputation? I back up what I post.My offer is on the board. You are the one calling those who think Holmes can finish top 3 idiots - something I have never done on this board, ever, over the years I've been here - going back to cheatsheets.net. You are running your mouth about Holmes not finishing the season 2 of the last 3 years. Your clear implication is that Holmes will finish well out of the top 5.

Now you get called on it & you are tucking tail, making excuses, and dodging. Who is the one with the reputation, my friend? You talked some serious talk, let's see you walk the walk. Some leagues give 0 pts for RB receptions. Some leagues give 1 pt for RB receptions. I offered a reasonable compromise of .5 pts per reception. I don't think there is any question that part of Holmes' great value is that he is a vital part of the passing game, not an afterthought after all other options have been exhausted. Perhaps you feel differently, and if so please expound.

C'mon, now. You are obviously convinced that Holmes will come nowhere near the top 5. Why should the .5 pts/rec matter to you, then? If he plays a partial season, either by being in a RBBC or by being injured, he can only amass, what, 40-50 receptions at the most? IF your predictions are true, as you have vehemently portrayed, then what difference is that 20-25 pts going to make? The difference between those receptions and those of whatever other RBs finish in the top 5 can't be that great, can it? Even if the worst of the top 5 RBs this year finishes with 30 receptions - fewer than 2 per game - that difference only becomes 5-10 FF pts. Do you think Holmes is going to finish with 5-10 pts of the top 5 FF RBs? It doesn't sound like it from the tone of your post. Maybe I'm just another one of those idiots, though.

So, what's it going to be? Are you going to accept the offer? Simple enough, I would think, for someone taking the position that you have.

Maybe you'll dodge some more & put up those cute like rolling eyes smilies. I'm sure that will make everyone else here realize what a standup guy you are, as opposed to me & my reputation, whatever that is.

You are complete and utterly spineless. We both know that adding the receptions can add as many as 5 spots in the overall standings. You hide behind the fact that I'm brazen enough to say that Priest will not finish in the top 5 this year. When I say that I wasn't talking about maybe the 5% of the leagues out there that give .5 pts per receptions. I mean, you don't even ask for 1 pt per reception which is much more common. You ask for .5? Why because you are just asking for a little edge because you don't have the nads to come out take the bet as I offered it, which was that Priest won't finish in the top 5. I didn't say in a .5 pt per reception (THat's just comedy, who the hell plays in a .5 pt per reception league anyway?!?!?! - what a tool)

Do me a favor and step up to the plate and be a man. I realize it's a tough concept for you but try anyway. I had the balls to say he won't finish top 5 and stand behind it. Why don't you take the offer as it stands and try not to weasel yourself an added edge. Take the bet with with what little integrity you have left....And you gloating about your board cred is just plain comedy. Being a punchline isn't cred....

 

[P Boy]

You are complete and utterly spineless.  We both know that adding the receptions can add as many as 5 spots in the overall standings.  You hide behind the fact that I'm brazen enough to say that Priest will not finish in the top 5 this year.  When I say that I wasn't talking about maybe the 5% of the leagues out there that give .5 pts per receptions.  I mean, you don't even ask for 1 pt per reception which is much more common.  You ask for .5?  Why because you are just asking for a little edge because you don't have the nads to come out take the bet as I offered it, which was that Priest won't finish in the top 5.  I didn't say in a .5 pt per reception (THat's just comedy, who the hell plays in a .5 pt per reception league anyway?!?!?! - what a tool)Do me a favor and step up to the plate and be a man.  I realize it's a tough concept for you but try anyway.  I had the balls to say he won't finish top 5 and stand behind it.  Why don't you take the offer as it stands and try not to weasel yourself an added edge.  Take the bet with with what little integrity you have left....And you gloating about your board cred is just plain comedy.  Being a punchline isn't cred....

Pretty much what I expected.I guess the bet isn't going to happen. I figured it wouldn't.My dad had an expression for guys like you:"A lot of noise on the stairs & nobody coming down."