How early is TOO early for a QB (1 Viewer)

[cobalt_27]

Great points on dependent on scoring system. In our league QB's get 4pts pass TD, 6pts rush TD's & .1 for every 2yds passing so we are not quite a QB friendly league unless there is the Vick rushing factor. I usually wait till around early 3rd for a QB.

To me, it's been one of the glaring errors in FF that, at least a few have picked up on and corrected (either by scoring system, 2QB formats, or both). But, the QB position has been so marginalized in FF, historically. Not that there's a 1:1 relationship between reality and FF, but if every player were to become a FA tomorrow and the NFL held a draft, the first 6 picks off the board would be QBs. And, yet, we **** around with the position so much in FF that we're arguing about whether or not Aaron Rodgers is worth a 4th round pick. Incredible.

 

[Captain Hook]

Great points on dependent on scoring system. In our league QB's get 4pts pass TD, 6pts rush TD's & .1 for every 2yds passing so we are not quite a QB friendly league unless there is the Vick rushing factor. I usually wait till around early 3rd for a QB.

To me, it's been one of the glaring errors in FF that, at least a few have picked up on and corrected (either by scoring system, 2QB formats, or both). But, the QB position has been so marginalized in FF, historically. Not that there's a 1:1 relationship between reality and FF, but if every player were to become a FA tomorrow and the NFL held a draft, the first 6 picks off the board would be QBs. And, yet, we **** around with the position so much in FF that we're arguing about whether or not Aaron Rodgers is worth a 4th round pick. Incredible.

NOT a 4th round pick - OP is talking about 4th OVERALL.....1.04!

 

[cobalt_27]

Great points on dependent on scoring system. In our league QB's get 4pts pass TD, 6pts rush TD's & .1 for every 2yds passing so we are not quite a QB friendly league unless there is the Vick rushing factor. I usually wait till around early 3rd for a QB.

To me, it's been one of the glaring errors in FF that, at least a few have picked up on and corrected (either by scoring system, 2QB formats, or both). But, the QB position has been so marginalized in FF, historically. Not that there's a 1:1 relationship between reality and FF, but if every player were to become a FA tomorrow and the NFL held a draft, the first 6 picks off the board would be QBs. And, yet, we **** around with the position so much in FF that we're arguing about whether or not Aaron Rodgers is worth a 4th round pick. Incredible.

NOT a 4th round pick - OP is talking about 4th OVERALL.....1.04!

No, I get that. I'm exaggerating, of course. But, it's clear that a philosophy has evolved where some folks would sooner give away their right arm than take any QB with their first 4 picks. I don't play in any of these types of leagues, but judging from prior posts, it sounds like Roethlisberger isn't being taken until the 3rd or 4th round. He'd be a top-10 pick if we made all players FAs and the NFL held its own draft from scratch. You can't argue with the fact that historically, fantasy football has misvalued and devalued the QB relative to their real value in the NFL, right?

 

[DawnBTVS]

No, I get that. I'm exaggerating, of course. But, it's clear that a philosophy has evolved where some folks would sooner give away their right arm than take any QB with their first 4 picks. I don't play in any of these types of leagues, but judging from prior posts, it sounds like Roethlisberger isn't being taken until the 3rd or 4th round. He'd be a top-10 pick if we made all players FAs and the NFL held its own draft from scratch. You can't argue with the fact that historically, fantasy football has misvalued and devalued the QB relative to their real value in the NFL, right?

I think some of that is dependent on league size. In the NFL, there are 32 teams and there aren't going to be 32 QBs going around who are all good to great. In comparison, at the top end you maybe have 16 teams max in a league so you can get by as a FF player with taking a QB later since you only need 16 QBs to perform good to great.Also in FF, the QB position is highly dependent on a lot of variable factors including scheme (compare vertical offense vs. a horizontal offense), the nature of their offense (do they have a stud RB who can get 30+ carries a game?), and the score of the game they are playing in (if down, they'll have to throw more and "pad" their stats).In the NFL, it's all about the W at the end of the day. A QB who throws for 200 yards with 1 TD and gets the win is more valuable to an NFL coach than a QB who throws for 275 yards with 2 TD but loses the game. The opposite is the goal in FF, get the higher statistical producer who scores more. Their record in the NFL means nothing.The only way I could see making a FF QB "matter" like the NFL is including some sort of Win bonus where they get 5 points for a win and lose 5 points for a loss.

 

[cobalt_27]

No, I get that. I'm exaggerating, of course. But, it's clear that a philosophy has evolved where some folks would sooner give away their right arm than take any QB with their first 4 picks. I don't play in any of these types of leagues, but judging from prior posts, it sounds like Roethlisberger isn't being taken until the 3rd or 4th round. He'd be a top-10 pick if we made all players FAs and the NFL held its own draft from scratch.

You can't argue with the fact that historically, fantasy football has misvalued and devalued the QB relative to their real value in the NFL, right?

I think some of that is dependent on league size. In the NFL, there are 32 teams and there aren't going to be 32 QBs going around who are all good to great. In comparison, at the top end you maybe have 16 teams max in a league so you can get by as a FF player with taking a QB later since you only need 16 QBs to perform good to great.Also in FF, the QB position is highly dependent on a lot of variable factors including scheme (compare vertical offense vs. a horizontal offense), the nature of their offense (do they have a stud RB who can get 30+ carries a game?), and the score of the game they are playing in (if down, they'll have to throw more and "pad" their stats).

In the NFL, it's all about the W at the end of the day. A QB who throws for 200 yards with 1 TD and gets the win is more valuable to an NFL coach than a QB who throws for 275 yards with 2 TD but loses the game. The opposite is the goal in FF, get the higher statistical producer who scores more. Their record in the NFL means nothing.

The only way I could see making a FF QB "matter" like the NFL is including some sort of Win bonus where they get 5 points for a win and lose 5 points for a loss.

The main reason QBs are undervalued is because most leagues start 1 and at least 2 RBs and 2 WRs.The second reason they are undervalued is because their scoring systems do a poor job at creating variance between the good/bad QBs.

The third reason they are undervalued is because most owners think in terms of VBD, which is fine, but...VBD fails to account for the relative consistency within the position compared to RBs and, to a lesser degree, WRs.

--For example, only 18 different QBs have placed in the top-10 over the last 3 years. However, there have been 23 different RBs and 20 different WRs who have finished in the top-10 in their respective positions over the last 3 years.

--There are 4 QBs (Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Rivers) who have finished top-10 each of the last 3 years and another 4 QBs (Eli, Schaub, Brady, Romo) who have finished top-10 twice in the last 3 years.

--In contrast, only 1 RB (Adrian Peterson) has finished top-10 each of the last 3 years and 5 RBs have finished in the top-10 twice (CJ, Forte, MJD, Turner, Thomas Jones).

--Only two WRs (AJ, Roddy) have finished top-10 each of the last 3 years, and another 4 (Jennings, Fitz, Moss, Wayne) have finished top-10 twice.

That's a lot of high/wasted picks on RBs and WRs every year, whereas you can secure high production from the QB position with 1st and 2nd round investments.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I'd have no problem taking a qb 1 in a 6pt td league. They account for so many more tds than any other player when scored like that. In your shoes I might even take Vick 1.01 and not look back.