How good can Pierre Garcon WR Colts be? (1 Viewer)

[Benchwarmers]

Pierre Garcon is only 23 years old. Is he be the guy to replace Reggie Wayne when Wayne finally retires? Garcon had some good games in the playoffs, will that carry over to the regular season in 2010?

What do you think his yards and touchdowns will be in 2010?

I am thinking 900 yards and 9 TD's

 

[anakin]

I think he does close to the numbers you listed: 900 yards and 9 TD with about 65 receptions. A good bye week WR, but not a weekly starter in fantasy.

 

[identikit]

Not that it matters, but he'll be 25 by the time (birthday in August) the season starts...

 

[Frank Costanza's Lawyer]

Pierre Garcon is only 23 years old. Is he be the guy to replace Reggie Wayne when Wayne finally retires? Garcon had some good games in the playoffs, will that carry over to the regular season in 2010?What do you think his yards and touchdowns will be in 2010?I am thinking 900 yards and 9 TD's

He's actually 24 and will be 25 by the time the season starts.I think 9 TDs is a little too much to expect. He only scored 4 last season.

 

[Jerry Lawler]

I'll be interested to see the comments that come from Polian and co. on the WR situation this offseason. I know Polian has been very complementary of Garcon in the past, and Garcon took a big step forward late in the 2009 season after struggling with inconsistency (drops, penalties, etc.). While Garcon is very promising, I thought Gonzalez was a little more impressive over his first 2 years. My guess is that the Colts try to involve both, while still giving some work to Austin Collie. This makes it very difficult for Garcon to put up the kind of numbers you suggest, especially the TD's. I think Peyton Manning tends to favor the more reliable veteran receivers, and this is especially true in the red zone. Look for Wayne and Clark to hog the red zone targets for at least another year.

 

[We Tigers]

I think he does close to the numbers you listed: 900 yards and 9 TD with about 65 receptions. A good bye week WR, but not a weekly starter in fantasy.

900 and 9 would have been enough for 144 points and WR18 last year, right between Derrick Mason and Donald Driver. Absolutely a weekly starter--and certainly more than a bye-week WR--if he hits those marks.I think Garcon will be a bit overvalued this year and is more likely to replicate his stats from last year than he is to break into the top 20. Presuming that Gonzalez is healthy, that's 5 talented receivers for Manning instead of 4, and Garcon is in the middle of the pecking order at best. Now, if it ends up that Garcon stays out wide most of the time and Gonzalez goes back to the slot, it'll be Collie who loses out more. Either way, I think it will be extremely hard for either of those guys to put up numbers much better than they did in 2009.

 

[slayer666]

I think Garcon will be a bit overvalued this year and is more likely to replicate his stats from last year than he is to break into the top 20. Presuming that Gonzalez is healthy, that's 5 talented receivers for Manning instead of 4, and Garcon is in the middle of the pecking order at best. Now, if it ends up that Garcon stays out wide most of the time and Gonzalez goes back to the slot, it'll be Collie who loses out more. Either way, I think it will be extremely hard for either of those guys to put up numbers much better than they did in 2009.

Agreed. I currently have Garcon at 55/752/5 in my preliminary projections, but Anthony Gonzalez is a wildcard that could cause him to move up or down. My gut tells me Gonzo (f healthy) is going to negatively impact Austin Collie's digits more than Garcons, so I could still give him a 10-15% bump depending on how things play out.

 

[bonesman]

Collie out produced Garcon in the regular season and was neck and neck w/ him in the playoffs (4 fewer recs and 10 less yards, both w/ 2 TDs)... he's also younger taller and drafted earlier. Yet it seems universally accepted that Garcon is more valuable for FF purposes. Is it because Collie works out of the slot?

 

[We Tigers]

Collie out produced Garcon in the regular season and was neck and neck w/ him in the playoffs (4 fewer recs and 10 less yards, both w/ 2 TDs)... he's also younger taller and drafted earlier. Yet it seems universally accepted that Garcon is more valuable for FF purposes. Is it because Collie works out of the slot?

I think it's reflective of assumptions that Garcon will stay on the outside with Gonzalez returning to the slot. Both Garcon and Collie's values are probably going to bounce all over the place once the Colts actually get to camp and we can see what sort of receiver sets they're running.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Collie out produced Garcon in the regular season and was neck and neck w/ him in the playoffs (4 fewer recs and 10 less yards, both w/ 2 TDs)... he's also younger taller and drafted earlier. Yet it seems universally accepted that Garcon is more valuable for FF purposes. Is it because Collie works out of the slot?

In the Colts offense you have to be able to separate the very talented from the average guy in a nice role. Garcon is the first. Gonzo and Collie are the latter. Garcon made a half-dozen plays in one year that were better than anything that AGonzo did in two. He's a very good NFL WR.I'm actually pretty surprised we're having the same argument we had a year ago given Garcon's 2009 performance - where people could actually see him on the field. Especially with all the praise that's been heaped on him by his GM.

 

[gonzobill5]

Collie out produced Garcon in the regular season and was neck and neck w/ him in the playoffs (4 fewer recs and 10 less yards, both w/ 2 TDs)... he's also younger taller and drafted earlier. Yet it seems universally accepted that Garcon is more valuable for FF purposes. Is it because Collie works out of the slot?

In the Colts offense you have to be able to separate the very talented from the average guy in a nice role. Garcon is the first. Gonzo and Collie are the latter. Garcon made a half-dozen plays in one year that were better than anything that AGonzo did in two. He's a very good NFL WR.I'm actually pretty surprised we're having the same argument we had a year ago given Garcon's 2009 performance - where people could actually see him on the field. Especially with all the praise that's been heaped on him by his GM.

I agree with this. I think Garcon is the colt receiver to own this year as you will have to pay for last year's stats for Wayne or Clark. I think 9 TDs is a bit unrealistic (but a cinch if Manning goes 2004 on us) but he should reach 900 yards with little trouble. I mean, he surpassed 750 in 14 games (13 starts). One thing to keep in mind about the Indy passing game, even though they started 14-0 there weren't many blowouts and they had to come from behind a bunch of times, therefore, we might see a regression across the board for the passing stats.

 

[menobrown]

If you include the playoffs and throw out week 16 and 17 when the Colts were not trying the last 10 meaningful games the Colts played Garcon's numbers were right on par with Wayne's. Wayne will be 32 next season and has logged 9 years of NFL on his legs .Looking at my latest mock draft I'm in the middle of on this site Wayne was the #2 WR off the board and Garcon was #27 and I think Wayne is going to be a top 5 selected WR in most re-drafts. Would I draft Wayne over Garcon in a re-draft? Easily yes. But in terms of value I think Garcon represents a far greater value play next year than Wayne considering were you can obtain them.

In general I'd expect lots of up and down games from the Colt's WR's due to so many options. Dallas Clark is the guy I expect to be the most consistent.

 

[Benchwarmers]

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[Tanner9919]

If you include the playoffs and throw out week 16 and 17 when the Colts were not trying the last 10 meaningful games the Colts played Garcon's numbers were right on par with Wayne's. Wayne will be 32 next season and has logged 9 years of NFL on his legs .Looking at my latest mock draft I'm in the middle of on this site Wayne was the #2 WR off the board and Garcon was #27 and I think Wayne is going to be a top 5 selected WR in most re-drafts. Would I draft Wayne over Garcon in a re-draft? Easily yes. But in terms of value I think Garcon represents a far greater value play next year than Wayne considering were you can obtain them.In general I'd expect lots of up and down games from the Colt's WR's due to so many options. Dallas Clark is the guy I expect to be the most consistent.

Wayne is still the big ticket item in that offense, but will the injuries and age begin to take their toll??I think Garcon is beng groomed as the eventual replacement for Wayne as Indy's #1 WR..when that happens is anyone's guess..

 

[cr8f]

He's the 28th WR taken according to MFL ADP. That doesn't seem overvalued, but if named the starter he could be.

 

[Sweet Love]

I'll be interested to see the comments that come from Polian and co. on the WR situation this offseason. I know Polian has been very complementary of Garcon in the past, and Garcon took a big step forward late in the 2009 season after struggling with inconsistency (drops, penalties, etc.). While Garcon is very promising, I thought Gonzalez was a little more impressive over his first 2 years. My guess is that the Colts try to involve both, while still giving some work to Austin Collie. This makes it very difficult for Garcon to put up the kind of numbers you suggest, especially the TD's. I think Peyton Manning tends to favor the more reliable veteran receivers, and this is especially true in the red zone. Look for Wayne and Clark to hog the red zone targets for at least another year.

I am not a Colts fan nor do I watch them much, but am interested in your comment about Gonzo. Why was Gonzo more impressive? I am honestly asking because I value a "homer's" thoughts; just saw Garcon rip through my Jets and would be surprised in Gonzo could have that type of impact.

 

[Patoons]

Garcon is going to be a beast.

If you think he's overvalued, you're missing the boat. He will be a top 20 performer this year and hit 1K.

 

[Jerry Lawler]

I'll be interested to see the comments that come from Polian and co. on the WR situation this offseason. I know Polian has been very complementary of Garcon in the past, and Garcon took a big step forward late in the 2009 season after struggling with inconsistency (drops, penalties, etc.). While Garcon is very promising, I thought Gonzalez was a little more impressive over his first 2 years. My guess is that the Colts try to involve both, while still giving some work to Austin Collie. This makes it very difficult for Garcon to put up the kind of numbers you suggest, especially the TD's. I think Peyton Manning tends to favor the more reliable veteran receivers, and this is especially true in the red zone. Look for Wayne and Clark to hog the red zone targets for at least another year.

I am not a Colts fan nor do I watch them much, but am interested in your comment about Gonzo. Why was Gonzo more impressive? I am honestly asking because I value a "homer's" thoughts; just saw Garcon rip through my Jets and would be surprised in Gonzo could have that type of impact.

I’m not down on Garcon, just really impressed with Gonzalez. In fact, I think both of them will be just a notch or two below Reggie Wayne if the offseason provides the expected boosts in health (Gonzo) and consistency (Garcon).The way I see it, the main advantages Gonzalez has over Garcon are in reading option routes and zone coverage, quickness in breaks, route running precision, hands/catching, and overall consistency. I couldn’t find a really good highlight video, but this one shows a few good examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDFfHxGVrKM&NR=1

The ankle-breaking move at around the 1:00 mark is my favorite.

Gonzalez’s skill set plays especially well in the Colts’ system because Manning is so good at utilizing receivers with good precision and timing who can get good separation. In his second year, Gonzalez earned Manning’s trust enough to get back shoulder throws in the red zone and become a frequent third down target. This type of chemistry is rare in the Colts’ complex system. In this decade, Gonzalez and Addai are the only Colts skill position players who I can recall playing so well early in their careers. Reggie Wayne lost snaps to forgettable players like Qadry Ismail, Jerome Pathon, and Terrence Wilkins; Dallas Clark looked lost much of the time – and those guys will probably get HOF consideration by the time they’re done.

In the end, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Garcon get more snaps, especially if Polian remains in his corner. Personally, I see Gonzalez as a better player in the Colts’ system.

 

[identikit]

I'll be interested to see the comments that come from Polian and co. on the WR situation this offseason. I know Polian has been very complementary of Garcon in the past, and Garcon took a big step forward late in the 2009 season after struggling with inconsistency (drops, penalties, etc.). While Garcon is very promising, I thought Gonzalez was a little more impressive over his first 2 years. My guess is that the Colts try to involve both, while still giving some work to Austin Collie. This makes it very difficult for Garcon to put up the kind of numbers you suggest, especially the TD's. I think Peyton Manning tends to favor the more reliable veteran receivers, and this is especially true in the red zone. Look for Wayne and Clark to hog the red zone targets for at least another year.

I am not a Colts fan nor do I watch them much, but am interested in your comment about Gonzo. Why was Gonzo more impressive? I am honestly asking because I value a "homer's" thoughts; just saw Garcon rip through my Jets and would be surprised in Gonzo could have that type of impact.

I'm not down on Garcon, just really impressed with Gonzalez. In fact, I think both of them will be just a notch or two below Reggie Wayne if the offseason provides the expected boosts in health (Gonzo) and consistency (Garcon).The way I see it, the main advantages Gonzalez has over Garcon are in reading option routes and zone coverage, quickness in breaks, route running precision, hands/catching, and overall consistency. I couldn't find a really good highlight video, but this one shows a few good examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDFfHxGVrKM&NR=1

The ankle-breaking move at around the 1:00 mark is my favorite.

Gonzalez's skill set plays especially well in the Colts' system because Manning is so good at utilizing receivers with good precision and timing who can get good separation. In his second year, Gonzalez earned Manning's trust enough to get back shoulder throws in the red zone and become a frequent third down target. This type of chemistry is rare in the Colts' complex system. In this decade, Gonzalez and Addai are the only Colts skill position players who I can recall playing so well early in their careers. Reggie Wayne lost snaps to forgettable players like Qadry Ismail, Jerome Pathon, and Terrence Wilkins; Dallas Clark looked lost much of the time – and those guys will probably get HOF consideration by the time they're done.

In the end, I wouldn't be surprised to see Garcon get more snaps, especially if Polian remains in his corner. Personally, I see Gonzalez as a better player in the Colts' system.

Very

Re-opened my eyes in regards to A Gonzo and his talent/fit...

 

[Patoons]

I'll be interested to see the comments that come from Polian and co. on the WR situation this offseason. I know Polian has been very complementary of Garcon in the past, and Garcon took a big step forward late in the 2009 season after struggling with inconsistency (drops, penalties, etc.). While Garcon is very promising, I thought Gonzalez was a little more impressive over his first 2 years. My guess is that the Colts try to involve both, while still giving some work to Austin Collie. This makes it very difficult for Garcon to put up the kind of numbers you suggest, especially the TD's. I think Peyton Manning tends to favor the more reliable veteran receivers, and this is especially true in the red zone. Look for Wayne and Clark to hog the red zone targets for at least another year.

I am not a Colts fan nor do I watch them much, but am interested in your comment about Gonzo. Why was Gonzo more impressive? I am honestly asking because I value a "homer's" thoughts; just saw Garcon rip through my Jets and would be surprised in Gonzo could have that type of impact.

I'm not down on Garcon, just really impressed with Gonzalez. In fact, I think both of them will be just a notch or two below Reggie Wayne if the offseason provides the expected boosts in health (Gonzo) and consistency (Garcon).The way I see it, the main advantages Gonzalez has over Garcon are in reading option routes and zone coverage, quickness in breaks, route running precision, hands/catching, and overall consistency. I couldn't find a really good highlight video, but this one shows a few good examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDFfHxGVrKM&NR=1

The ankle-breaking move at around the 1:00 mark is my favorite.

Gonzalez's skill set plays especially well in the Colts' system because Manning is so good at utilizing receivers with good precision and timing who can get good separation. In his second year, Gonzalez earned Manning's trust enough to get back shoulder throws in the red zone and become a frequent third down target. This type of chemistry is rare in the Colts' complex system. In this decade, Gonzalez and Addai are the only Colts skill position players who I can recall playing so well early in their careers. Reggie Wayne lost snaps to forgettable players like Qadry Ismail, Jerome Pathon, and Terrence Wilkins; Dallas Clark looked lost much of the time – and those guys will probably get HOF consideration by the time they're done.

In the end, I wouldn't be surprised to see Garcon get more snaps, especially if Polian remains in his corner. Personally, I see Gonzalez as a better player in the Colts' system.

Very

Re-opened my eyes in regards to A Gonzo and his talent/fit...

Garcon and Manning seemed to pick up some great chemistry in the playoffs. Garcon coming from a school like Mount Union vs. a guy like Gonzo who player D-1 at one of the premier schools against premier competition. Totally different make ups. Gonzo on the field will make the offense that much better, but not sure I agree that he's a better player/talent than Garcon. To think Wayne, Garcon, Gonzo and Clark are all going to be on the field at once is a scary thought.