He's being drafted as a high WR2 in most leagues. He will line up at flanker and be the most targeted Seattle WR. Barring injury that will make him worth a high WR2. He is as good a red zone option as anyone else on the team. If you drafted him as a WR3 then that was a good pick.I drafted him as my WR3 and think he will have a solid year. Some people that I talk to disagree and think that was a stretch. I just want to know if anyone else has a take on this.
I think he's a solid WR1 this year. Anyone thinking he won't even be a WR3 is seriously misinformed.I drafted him as my WR3 and think he will have a solid year. Some people that I talk to disagree and think that was a stretch. I just want to know if anyone else has a take on this.
I think that is an urban myth. Somebody looked at it and the success/failure rate was more like 50/50.My thinking here is that I don't see much of a running game. Bringing Edge in off the scrap heap is very telling. The D should be better but I doubt it's going to be that much better. To me that says pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. And outside of Carlson who are they going to throw it to?Odds are he won't be as good as he has been in the past as rarely does a FA WR go to a new team and excel his 1st year.
Burleson, Branch, and the RBsI think that is an urban myth. Somebody looked at it and the success/failure rate was more like 50/50.My thinking here is that I don't see much of a running game. Bringing Edge in off the scrap heap is very telling. The D should be better but I doubt it's going to be that much better. To me that says pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. And outside of Carlson who are they going to throw it to?Odds are he won't be as good as he has been in the past as rarely does a FA WR go to a new team and excel his 1st year.
Thank you for proving the point my friend. And those of you in deep keeper leagues keep an eye out on Butler. He may not start strong (Eddie Royal of 2008 if you will) but if he starts putting a string of 5 and 6 catch games snag him off the WW before he goes off for 100 and 2Burleson, Branch, and the RBsI think that is an urban myth. Somebody looked at it and the success/failure rate was more like 50/50.My thinking here is that I don't see much of a running game. Bringing Edge in off the scrap heap is very telling. The D should be better but I doubt it's going to be that much better. To me that says pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. And outside of Carlson who are they going to throw it to?Odds are he won't be as good as he has been in the past as rarely does a FA WR go to a new team and excel his 1st year.![]()
At least 4 Top-20 WRs since 2004:Randy Moss 2007Terrell Owens 2004 and 2006Santana Moss 2005Antonio Bryant 2008Odds are he won't be as good as he has been in the past as rarely does a FA WR go to a new team and excel his 1st year.
Didn't Branch get cut?Burleson, Branch, and the RBsI think that is an urban myth. Somebody looked at it and the success/failure rate was more like 50/50.My thinking here is that I don't see much of a running game. Bringing Edge in off the scrap heap is very telling. The D should be better but I doubt it's going to be that much better. To me that says pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. And outside of Carlson who are they going to throw it to?Odds are he won't be as good as he has been in the past as rarely does a FA WR go to a new team and excel his 1st year.![]()
Good point on Butler, I forgot to mention him. I got him for $2 I think in the subscriber contest.Thank you for proving the point my friend. And those of you in deep keeper leagues keep an eye out on Butler. He may not start strong (Eddie Royal of 2008 if you will) but if he starts putting a string of 5 and 6 catch games snag him off the WW before he goes off for 100 and 2Burleson, Branch, and the RBsI think that is an urban myth. Somebody looked at it and the success/failure rate was more like 50/50.My thinking here is that I don't see much of a running game. Bringing Edge in off the scrap heap is very telling. The D should be better but I doubt it's going to be that much better. To me that says pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. And outside of Carlson who are they going to throw it to?Odds are he won't be as good as he has been in the past as rarely does a FA WR go to a new team and excel his 1st year.![]()
Well said - that's exactly where I see things. The big test is whether he can withstand extra coverage that will be rolling his way. He'll surely get a lot of targets, but I'm a bit skeptical that he'll come close to the reception totals he put up in Cincy.Carlson is the guy I really like in the Seattle receiving department.He's a tremendous WR3 but where he was going in most of my drafts I'm not entirely confident he can live up to. He seemed to be going at the end of WR1's and beginning of WR2's. I like him, I think they will throw the ball on Seattle and I'm not exactly sure what my hang up with him is but I just don't know if he's a true WR1. He's always had the Chad Johnson crutch and he was always drawing the double coverage which left Housh singled up all day. While I think he's a good WR and I think perfectly suited for his role on Cincy I just don't know if he's got the speed or athleticism to handle the double coverages that he'll be getting every snap.
With all the options at WR, I avoided Carlson this year. Hass has always favored his WRs and Carlson stepped up last year when there were hardly any other options. I also recall that he did better when Hass wasn't in the line-up last year. And maybe more focus on helping in the run game. Sorry for the hijack. Housh should be solid but his ADP was a bit high for me. 10 yard slants all day for Housh.Well said - that's exactly where I see things. The big test is whether he can withstand extra coverage that will be rolling his way. He'll surely get a lot of targets, but I'm a bit skeptical that he'll come close to the reception totals he put up in Cincy.Carlson is the guy I really like in the Seattle receiving department.He's a tremendous WR3 but where he was going in most of my drafts I'm not entirely confident he can live up to. He seemed to be going at the end of WR1's and beginning of WR2's. I like him, I think they will throw the ball on Seattle and I'm not exactly sure what my hang up with him is but I just don't know if he's a true WR1. He's always had the Chad Johnson crutch and he was always drawing the double coverage which left Housh singled up all day. While I think he's a good WR and I think perfectly suited for his role on Cincy I just don't know if he's got the speed or athleticism to handle the double coverages that he'll be getting every snap.
The Seattle Seahawks as a TEAM threw 18 passing TDs last year.....Even if you assume a big leap up to 24 Tds, you are assuming Housh gets half of them.He could be a good WR2, but this offense as a whole ain't going to roll well enough to get WR1 out of him.1300 and 12 TDs. I said that is #1 WR stat.
The Seattle Seahawks as a TEAM threw 18 passing TDs last year.....Even if you assume a big leap up to 24 Tds, you are assuming Housh gets half of them.He could be a good WR2, but this offense as a whole ain't going to roll well enough to get WR1 out of him.1300 and 12 TDs. I said that is #1 WR stat.
I like Carlson this year. They have a new coach, a new OC, and are supposed to use several 2 TE sets, and Carlson is the receiving TE.With all the options at WR, I avoided Carlson this year. Hass has always favored his WRs and Carlson stepped up last year when there were hardly any other options. I also recall that he did better when Hass wasn't in the line-up last year. And maybe more focus on helping in the run game. Sorry for the hijack. Housh should be solid but his ADP was a bit high for me. 10 yard slants all day for Housh.
Up and coming? Really?Hasselbeck looks solid and the defense in Seattle looks up and coming . Mora Jr seems to have the Seahawks going. I think eventually Deon Butler takes the #2 role ( he should be #2 right now with his preseason play ) and serves as the big playmaker. I see a typical Housh season. 90 rec - 1050 yds and 9-10 scores.
I think the real value is with Butler right now on many Waiver wires still.
Housh in Cincy was a guy who frequently missed practice but always played. I think the guy just doesn't like to practice too much. There is no reason for concern yet.I mentioned this in the Hasselbech thread...
It strikes me as odd that nobody seems at all concerned about the "undisclosed" "general soreness" injury which kept Housh out of the pre-season finale and more importantly missing practice since Aug 31.
I wish we had more to go on with this mystery ailment. There's not a peep on Roto about it and just a couple of sniglets on the FBG blogger (linked below). I find it troubling. Does anybody have better info to share on this?
Houshmandzadeh misses practice Monday Mon Aug 31, 10:28 PM
Seahawks | Houshmandzadeh misses practice Monday Tue Sep 8, 12:56 AM
Ok, and 26 in 2006 and 25 in 2007. What looks like the outlier? I agree they had a lot injuries last year, but those same players are two years older and are still trying to get over nagging effects from the injuries. It wouldn't exactly bet that Hasselbeck will be back to a spring chicken this year. There hasn't really been an influx of young rising talent on the line or in their receivers. Some improvement is to be expected, but Walter Jones isn't exactly in peak condition.The Seattle Seahawks as a TEAM threw 18 passing TDs last year.....Even if you assume a big leap up to 24 Tds, you are assuming Housh gets half of them.He could be a good WR2, but this offense as a whole ain't going to roll well enough to get WR1 out of him.1300 and 12 TDs. I said that is #1 WR stat.they had 30 passing TDs in 2007. you know, that year they didn't IR their starting 5 WRs.
I would agree that the Seattle D is on the rise, but that's not saying much. And this year having a crappy D and not much running game is what will help his numbers, not hurt them.Up and coming? Really?Hasselbeck looks solid and the defense in Seattle looks up and coming . Mora Jr seems to have the Seahawks going. I think eventually Deon Butler takes the #2 role ( he should be #2 right now with his preseason play ) and serves as the big playmaker. I see a typical Housh season. 90 rec - 1050 yds and 9-10 scores.
I think the real value is with Butler right now on many Waiver wires still.
IMO, their secondary looks atrocious and they still don't have a pass rush. Curry looks like a good young player but don't forget he is replacing Julien Petersen who certainly wasn't the problem on defense last year.
With Trufant out I expect their secondary to get exploited week after week.
Of course, that might actually help a guy like TJ though because the Seahawks will probably be forced into a lot of passing situations.
Using standard scorring - non ppr - this stat line would have allowed him to finish 8th last year and 11th two years ago. Are you sure that you aren't high on him? Even your projected "floor" for him would have been enough to give him WR19 last year. FWIW, I think he has a real shot to finish top 10 in non-ppr formats. In ppr, he will put up huge numbers..Im not high on Housh, but he slipped to the 68th pick in my draft and he was clearly the guy to pick. I think 1000 yards and 7 TDs are basically his floor, and Id expect more like 1150/9.
Unless its PPR, surprised to hear people saying he's being drafted as a high WR2. Id say in most of the drafts Ive been in, he's gone low WR2 or WR3 and lasted until the 5th or 6th round.
Pretty much sums it up...He should be good because he's easily the best receiver on a team that should throw the ball a lot
I forget what I actually projected him to have, but I think its somewhere in between the 1000-1150 and 7-9 numbers.Maybe I like him more than I thought, it just seems like in the drafts Ive been in he slips further than he should.Using standard scorring - non ppr - this stat line would have allowed him to finish 8th last year and 11th two years ago. Are you sure that you aren't high on him? Even your projected "floor" for him would have been enough to give him WR19 last year. FWIW, I think he has a real shot to finish top 10 in non-ppr formats. In ppr, he will put up huge numbers..Im not high on Housh, but he slipped to the 68th pick in my draft and he was clearly the guy to pick. I think 1000 yards and 7 TDs are basically his floor, and Id expect more like 1150/9.
Unless its PPR, surprised to hear people saying he's being drafted as a high WR2. Id say in most of the drafts Ive been in, he's gone low WR2 or WR3 and lasted until the 5th or 6th round.
That is true, but they will also be throwing to the RBs and TEs more in Seattle than they ever did in Cincy.He should be good because he's easily the best receiver on a team that should throw the ball a lot
TE yes, not sure about RBs.and Housh should get 120+ targets as the clear #1. The question is can he deliver?That is true, but they will also be throwing to the RBs and TEs more in Seattle than they ever did in Cincy.He should be good because he's easily the best receiver on a team that should throw the ball a lot
They just acquired Edge - I would expect them to be throwing to him out of the backfield quite a bit.TE yes, not sure about RBs.and Housh should get 120+ targets as the clear #1. The question is can he deliver?That is true, but they will also be throwing to the RBs and TEs more in Seattle than they ever did in Cincy.He should be good because he's easily the best receiver on a team that should throw the ball a lot
At the expense of the running game. There'll be plenty of targets to go around.They just acquired Edge - I would expect them to be throwing to him out of the backfield quite a bit.TE yes, not sure about RBs.and Housh should get 120+ targets as the clear #1. The question is can he deliver?That is true, but they will also be throwing to the RBs and TEs more in Seattle than they ever did in Cincy.He should be good because he's easily the best receiver on a team that should throw the ball a lot
:crickets: Bueler...Bueler... IDK sho, Nobody seems at all concerned about the mystery ailment which has kept him out of practice for two weeks now.Any updates from Hawks homers?Did he practice yesterday or hear anything today?
CBS had this:"Seahawks WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh practiced Wednesday after sitting out all last week and Monday to rest what a team spokesman called "general soreness.":crickets: Bueler...Bueler... IDK sho, Nobody seems at all concerned about the mystery ailment which has kept him out of practice for two weeks now.Any updates from Hawks homers?Did he practice yesterday or hear anything today?![]()
Thanks.Ive got to decide between he and Bowe. Im going with Housh barring any setbacks just on the matchup.CBS had this:"Seahawks WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh practiced Wednesday after sitting out all last week and Monday to rest what a team spokesman called "general soreness.":crickets: Bueler...Bueler... IDK sho, Nobody seems at all concerned about the mystery ailment which has kept him out of practice for two weeks now.Any updates from Hawks homers?Did he practice yesterday or hear anything today?![]()
As a Rams fan and homer I would say that this is a pretty good callThanks.Ive got to decide between he and Bowe. Im going with Housh barring any setbacks just on the matchup.CBS had this:"Seahawks WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh practiced Wednesday after sitting out all last week and Monday to rest what a team spokesman called "general soreness.":crickets: Bueler...Bueler... IDK sho, Nobody seems at all concerned about the mystery ailment which has kept him out of practice for two weeks now.Any updates from Hawks homers?Did he practice yesterday or hear anything today?![]()