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how high up would you move garrard in the qb rankings? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter davidwb
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With his running ability i put him top 15 for sure, possibly top 10. His running ability is great for fantasy stats.Fantasy points in his startsWeek 9: 22.210: 11.111: 15.512: 17.413: 21.814: 3.4 (this was his one horrendous stat game)15: 16.916: 14.817: 11.5 (only played a half)He's been pretty solid stat wise outside of the one game against indi.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
be serious. Bye week filler and nothing else.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I'd probably put him @ # 17 after Eli. He does have potential.
shake zula
Footballguy
No way.
Scruff Mcgruff
Footballguy
Decent backup and that's it. Nothing to get that excited about. Anyone who had leftwich as their starter (except in start 2 qb leagues) were in big trouble to begin with
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I agree. Fortunate for me since I had bye week issues that were unavoidable. I have heard that Taylor expects to be more involved in the passing game, and it would follow that MJD would as well which could be good for his outlook. But not exactly a great WR system to base any high expectations on.
We can look at his fantasy points in 2005 starts as well. He may not be a great NFL QB, but he's solid for fantasy purposes2005Week 12: 17.9Week 13: 14.1Week 14: 24.4Week 15: 19.5Week 16: 22.6Week 17: played less then a halfWhat's not to like, solid and consistent stats.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
MJD wasn't there in 2005 - he'll get more of the rushing TD's..
In 05' 2 of his rushing TD's were on passing plays (16 and 13 yard rushes). MJD isn't going to have any major effect on those kind of TD's, plus MJD is going to help Garrard on dumps and screens.I fail to see how MJD is going to have a negative effect on Garrards fantasy stats, in fact i think it could be argued he will help him.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
I didn't think so. The WR's dropped way too many balls last year for him to prove successful or not.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
I suppose you're right - which is more on with my second point that I dislike Jones and Williams. If they can get WRs there that catch the ball, we'll see I suppose.But it's real difficult to project now - and of course if the rumors of the chaos i nthe locker room prove true, well, that ain't good for him either.Although I gotta say - that would be less about Garrard and more about crappy front office timing.
BeachBums
Footballguy
Another site I look at has moved Garrard up to 28 with projected point at 209 (sportsline scoring) just under Harrington with the same number of points. Leftwich is down to 36, just under Brodie Croyle. Sounds about right to me. If Garrard is the best you can do for a bye, you must be in a 16 team league...
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Garrard was below average as a fantasy QB last year. In 9.4 adjusted games, Garrard averaged 15.1 FP/adjG, over a full FP below the league average. And he did it against a (very) slightly easier than average schedule. Leftwich in 6.0 adjusted games averaged 16.2 FP/adjG, against an easier than average schedule. Leftwich, after adjusting for SOS, still averaged half a point per adjusted game more than Garrard.
Bottom line? When Garrard was on the field last year, he wasn't an even average fantasy QB. That's not necessarily on knock on his skills, but the Jacksonville environment isn't very conducive towards fantasy points from the QB position.
Bottom line? When Garrard was on the field last year, he wasn't an even average fantasy QB. That's not necessarily on knock on his skills, but the Jacksonville environment isn't very conducive towards fantasy points from the QB position.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
You missed his week 8 start, where he scored 7.9 FPs.He only broke 16 four times; once barely, against an awful Tenn pass D. He had lots of mediocre games, and was below average overall as a fantasy starter.
whodeywhodey
Footballguy
That team is a mess from a fantasy standpoint. I'm staying away. I'd rather have Schaub or even CPepp that late anyway.
Fine, add that in and he's still at a 16.40 average over 14 games (05'-06') as the starter when he played over a half.While not great starting material, that is still top 15 QB, plus with the experience he has now it isn't crazy to think he'll improve upon those numbers.Great sleeper QB due to his rushing ability. Don't sleep on Garrard in 07'.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
"Solid" is open to interpretation.He played in 5.4 adjusted games in 2005, and yes, averaged 19.5 FP/adjG. But he also faced the single easiest schedule of any QB in 2005. He got to face the '05 49ers and '05 Texans, two terrible defenses. After adjusting for SOS, Garrard was 1.92 FP/G above the league average, which is still pretty good, but hardly great. It's worth noting that Leftwich was also above average, scoring 1.60 adjFP/adjG above the league average. Yet both Garrard and Leftwich were below average in 2006. Why? Most likely, due to the retirement of Jimmy Smith. He was a 1,000 yard receiver in 2005, and Jacksonville didn't replace him adequately last year.
Even if you want to weigh the two seasons equally -- which I find inappropriate -- Garrard still looks below average. He was 1.92 FP/G above average for 5.4 games in 2005, and 1.44 FP/G below average for 9.4 games in 2005, for a total of 0.21 adjFP/adjG below average over the course of 14.8 games the past two seasons.
Unless something crazy has happened to Garrard, I don't see why I would project him to finish above average this year. Jacksonville hasn't adequately solved the serious hole at WR.
Don't confuse me thinking he's a decent backup fantasy QB (i think he can be top 12-15) as someone who i'd want to start. But Jax has many cakewalk weeks this year and he can be a very sneaky play during those weeks.He's one of the best QBBC QB's to have this year. You can draft him in one of the last rounds and he'll be usable many weeks.
His rushing ability gives him some nice potential.
**edited to add: you might want to update your QBBC articles to include Garrard as he's a prime candidate with Jax having so many cupcake matchups.
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War Eagle
Footballguy
Who cares about Garrad...which WR is HIS favorite?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
That is the real question!
LINK: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=338175
That is the real question!
LINK: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=338175
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Fair enough. I'm merely pointing out that Leftwich was below average as a fantasy QB last year, so saying he could be top 10-15 is pushing it. Most weeks, there will be 15 other QBs I'd rather have start. Additionally, the Jaguars have an average schedule. It's not easy, and there aren't any more cakewalk weeks than other teams have. I've got the Jacksonville QB schedule as the 16th easiest. He's got some nice games against Hou/Ten twice, and the NFC South outside of Carolina. But most teams have some cupcake games, and I don't see any more for Garrard than other QBs.I'd probably rank Garrard a slot or two behind wherever I had Leftwich ranked. And Leftwich wasn't an ideal QBBC candidate (although he wasn't a terrible one, either).
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I'm happy to pick him up as a backup. He's a functional full-in, and who knows? Maybe being "the man" (once Leftwich is gone) will help him step up.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Exactly. He's not even worth a bye week filler. Pure trash. He fed Houston 4 INT's last year and they sucked. Heck, by the time the bye week comes for Jacksonville, it's 50-50 whether Q. Gray is the starter.No way.
FavreCo
Footballguy
The defenses seemd to catch Garrabage's passes easily though.
delusional
Footballguy
He is worse then Leftwich.
I liked lefty
I liked lefty
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I would bet most have him between 20th and 25th. The one thing is that he runs a lot and that makes a big difference sometimes. I have him as a low end QB2.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
There is no way if you saw the Houston game last year, you can blame Garrard for those 4 INT's.Exactly. He's not even worth a bye week filler. Pure trash. He fed Houston 4 INT's last year and they sucked. Heck, by the time the bye week comes for Jacksonville, it's 50-50 whether Q. Gray is the starter.No way.
Jeff Haseley
Moderator
I've got him ranked #23 between behind McNair and ahead of Pennington. Maurile has him 13th! What say you MT, do you like his rushing ability?
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
After two weeks he's ranked 11th either Maurile is good so far or Garrad is making
Maurile look good.
az_prof
Footballguy
I really find these kinds of comments (If you own this guy your team stinks anyway...) irrelevent and objectionable. How is the roster strength and depth of a fantasy team relevent to the fantasy value of a specific player? Some people may have Garrard and may be considering playing Garrard because they drafted people like Brees, McNabb, or Rivers to be their QB1. Or, they may be owners who play QBBC and use early and mid-draft picks to stock up on RBs and WRs. There are many reasons besides being bad owners or playing in bad leagues. And none of this gets to the real question: how good can Garrard be in fantasy this year?He runs and that is a bonus.He has played pretty well in the first two games.Team strategy on offense this year is favoring pass much more than in the past, when run was the only focus.I would put him right around 17, just after Eli. That suggestion sounds about right. I don't think he is a great NFL QB, but he will be a pretty good fantasy QB this year and could even come close to top 10.
