How high would you draft Santana? (1 Viewer)

[Kiddnets]

Rotodugout only gives 1 response every few hours so figured I would try here.

For you roto baseball geeks -

Have a few drafts coming up where I will be early 1st rd - not high enough for Pujols/Reyes - have to decide between Santana and guys like A-Rod, Crawford, Soriano, etc -

Question is how high is it reasonable to draft Santana? He is head and shoulders above any other pitcher. Is #3 too high?

I know pitchers are riskier so the safe pick may be A-Rod.

Any thoughts out there?

 

[posty]

Depends on your scoring system...

In a point league that I was once in, Santana went 1st...

 

[PatsWillWin]

I have a draft today. We don't do the draft order until we get there, so I have no idea where I'll be drafting. In our scoring system (its a HTH points league) Santana is head & shoulders above the rest of the pack - if I'm in the 4-7 range, I'll definitely look to grab him.

 

[s_ezy]

I would not take Ervin Santana high at all

 

[ooofffaaa]

I've seen him being taken anywhere from 2-8.

I would probably take him around 6-7.

 

[Kiddnets]

Obviously J. Santana for the wise guys!

5x5 leagues I am in -

tonights draft I have the #3 pick and it is clear that #1 will be Pujols and #2 will be Reyes. I am staring at Santana or A Rod.

It is a keeper league and I already have A Laroche, Sheffield, V Wells along with Smoltz, Olson and Papelbaun.

So I am pretty balanced already - the thought of drafting Santana and being able to keep him for 2 years appeals a little more than A-Rod who could be in a downward spiral.

 

[BroadwayG]

Round 5 of the Desert Island draft.

 

[Michael Brown]

Obviously J. Santana for the wise guys! 5x5 leagues I am in - tonights draft I have the #3 pick and it is clear that #1 will be Pujols and #2 will be Reyes. I am staring at Santana or A Rod. It is a keeper league and I already have A Laroche, Sheffield, V Wells along with Smoltz, Olson and Papelbaun. So I am pretty balanced already - the thought of drafting Santana and being able to keep him for 2 years appeals a little more than A-Rod who could be in a downward spiral.

On the one hand, if A-Rod does have another substandard year (for him), he'll likely receive tons of boos in the Bronx and opt out. Then when he's a Cub, he'll in all likelihood revert back to putting up his typical sick numbers. Outside of killing puppies, Cub fans stick by their players through just about anything.As for A-Rod vs. Santana, I'd go Santana every time. He's the only guy, including Pujols and Reyes, who is leaps and bounds ahead of the next-best guy at his position. And it's not just that he's the best pick simply due to positional scarcity...he actually will put up stats that are so dominant that he'd be worthy of a top 3-5 pick even if there were other top pitchers going in the early rounds. That said, just about every other ace SP has question marks surrounding them and none should go before the third round. If you take Johan at #3 and bypass A-Rod or Crawford, you could still conceivably get Ichiro at the back end of round 2 and then Aramis Ramirez or Garrett Atkins early in round 3. If you go A-Rod at 3, you can still get Ichiro back end of 2 to make up for the steals but you're not going to get a pitcher of Santana's caliber in early 3. Maybe Chris Carpenter or Oswalt, but neither of those guys, as good as they are, are as good or as safe a pick as Johan. I'll take Santana/Aramis or Atkins over Carpenter/A-Rod every time.

 

[Oaktown]

I would take Santana probably if he got to 10th overall in the first round in a regular 5x5 15 team league....The top 5 are pretty much set in some order in any league.....then I would take Howard, Utley, Beltran and Vlad before him.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

He's an easy 1st rounder, and depending on your scoring system could even be the #1.

 

[eoMMan]

Obviously J. Santana for the wise guys!

Juelz Santana?You're drafting rappers?

 

[LHUCKS]

5x5??

 

[Limp Ditka]

He's an easy 1st rounder, and depending on your scoring system could even be the #1.

In a straight 5X5 I would never take an arm @ #1 when he can only help me in 4 cats.

 

[posty]

5x5??

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[LHUCKS]

He's an easy 1st rounder, and depending on your scoring system could even be the #1.

In a straight 5X5 I would never take an arm @ #1 when he can only help me in 4 cats.

Depends on the historical data of the league(are there early pitcher runs usually?), but I tend to agree with Limp here.

 

[PatsWillWin]

i'm in a HTH points league, so my perspective is a little different, but in my opinion, there really isn't any kind of consensus after pujols at #2. there are probably 5-7 guys that if they get taken at #2 tonight in my draft, i will not be surprised. santana is one of those guys.

 

[Wild Young Billy]

As for A-Rod vs. Santana, I'd go Santana every time. He's the only guy, including Pujols and Reyes, who is leaps and bounds ahead of the next-best guy at his position.

Really? More so than Chase Utley?

 

[PatsWillWin]

As for A-Rod vs. Santana, I'd go Santana every time. He's the only guy, including Pujols and Reyes, who is leaps and bounds ahead of the next-best guy at his position.

Really? More so than Chase Utley?

+ Joe Mauer, IMO.

 

[LHUCKS]

i'm in a HTH points league, so my perspective is a little different, but in my opinion, there really isn't any kind of consensus after pujols at #2. there are probably 5-7 guys that if they get taken at #2 tonight in my draft, i will not be surprised. santana is one of those guys.

Ditto in my HTH points league...Jets, what is your scoring system?...I've found that other than rototimes, it's hard to find point projections from any reputable sources.

 

[PatsWillWin]

i'm in a HTH points league, so my perspective is a little different, but in my opinion, there really isn't any kind of consensus after pujols at #2. there are probably 5-7 guys that if they get taken at #2 tonight in my draft, i will not be surprised. santana is one of those guys.

Ditto in my HTH points league...Jets, what is your scoring system?...I've found that other than rototimes, it's hard to find point projections from any reputable sources.

Player Pool: AL and NL Players. Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF, DH, SP and RP. Scoring for Batting Categories 1B - Singles 1 point 2B - Doubles 2 points 3B - Triples 3 points BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point CS - Caught Stealing -1 point CYC - Hitting for the Cycle 4 points GSHR - Grand Slam Home Runs 2 points HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point HR - Home Runs 4 points KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -1 point R - Runs 1 point RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point SB - Stolen Bases 1 point Scoring for Pitching Categories BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -.5 points BS - Blown Saves -2 points ER - Earned Runs -1 point HA - Hits Allowed -.5 points INN - Innings 1 point K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point L - Losses -5 points S - Saves 3 points SO - Shutouts 10 points W - Wins 10 points

It's not really a "serious" league - mostly with friends whom are mostly just casual fantasy fans. I'm much more into football than I am baseball fantasy-wise. You're right about there not being a lot of resources for H2H leagues - everything is almost entirely roto, which I certainly understand. I just try and read up on players, and come up with some kind of strategy. I also drink moderately at the draft, so that helps too.

 

[Kiddnets]

Great stuff so far -

I would take Howard over him but he is kept - looking at Soriano, ARod, Crawford, Cabrera. Also - Oswalt, Carpenter and Halladay are gone - so its a bit different than a start up draft.

For my purposes I am going with Santana - the lure of having a pitching staff anchored by him is more appealing than adding A-Rod to my already mix of Sheff, LaRoche and V. Wells.

If it was a straight draft starting from scratch I would probably put Santana at #4 - I like Howard a bit better -

Saw Rototimes picked Santana #1 overall in their draft - now thats bold!

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Keeper league changes everything.

You could justify taking Santana with the top pick. I wouldn't, but then again that's just not my particular strategy. There's no right answer here.

 

[LHUCKS]

i'm in a HTH points league, so my perspective is a little different, but in my opinion, there really isn't any kind of consensus after pujols at #2. there are probably 5-7 guys that if they get taken at #2 tonight in my draft, i will not be surprised. santana is one of those guys.

Ditto in my HTH points league...Jets, what is your scoring system?...I've found that other than rototimes, it's hard to find point projections from any reputable sources.

Player Pool: AL and NL Players. Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF, DH, SP and RP. Scoring for Batting Categories 1B - Singles 1 point 2B - Doubles 2 points 3B - Triples 3 points BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point CS - Caught Stealing -1 point CYC - Hitting for the Cycle 4 points GSHR - Grand Slam Home Runs 2 points HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point HR - Home Runs 4 points KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -1 point R - Runs 1 point RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point SB - Stolen Bases 1 point Scoring for Pitching Categories BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -.5 points BS - Blown Saves -2 points ER - Earned Runs -1 point HA - Hits Allowed -.5 points INN - Innings 1 point K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point L - Losses -5 points S - Saves 3 points SO - Shutouts 10 points W - Wins 10 points

It's not really a "serious" league - mostly with friends whom are mostly just casual fantasy fans. I'm much more into football than I am baseball fantasy-wise. You're right about there not being a lot of resources for H2H leagues - everything is almost entirely roto, which I certainly understand. I just try and read up on players, and come up with some kind of strategy. I also drink moderately at the draft, so that helps too.

very similar to ours except we get 3/inning, and walks are -1. we start 5 OFs so there's a premium on OF, we also start 5 Pitchers, one at every other position.

 

[PatsWillWin]

very similar to ours except we get 3/inning, and walks are -1. we start 5 OFs so there's a premium on OF, we also start 5 Pitchers, one at every other position.

the twist we put in last season is that we have to start a LF, a RF, and a CF. not just 3 OFs. changes things a lot. CF's are at a major premium. RF's to a lesser extent.

 

[higgins]

I'm going to be in the minority (somewhat) and say (depending on scoring, etc.) I would take him #1 overall.

And this is coming from someone who never focus on starters (because of their unpredictability).

If you look at position scarcity, there are many quality first basemen, and some good third basemen.

Even with a starter's unpredictability factored, in JSantana is waaayyy head and shoulders above the rest of the starters. In pickles' ap (which I know is very subjective), the widest disparity at any position is at SP, while the depth of talent at 1B is unquestionable.

As my draft stands thus far:

1.1 - Pujols,

1.2 - Santana,

1.3 - ARod,

1.4 - (me) JReyes.

 

[AcerFC]

i'm in a HTH points league, so my perspective is a little different, but in my opinion, there really isn't any kind of consensus after pujols at #2. there are probably 5-7 guys that if they get taken at #2 tonight in my draft, i will not be surprised. santana is one of those guys.

Ditto in my HTH points league...Jets, what is your scoring system?...I've found that other than rototimes, it's hard to find point projections from any reputable sources.

Player Pool: AL and NL Players.

Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, LF, CF, RF, DH, SP and RP.

Scoring for Batting Categories

1B - Singles 1 point

2B - Doubles 2 points

3B - Triples 3 points

BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point

CS - Caught Stealing -1 point

CYC - Hitting for the Cycle 4 points

GSHR - Grand Slam Home Runs 2 points

HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point

HR - Home Runs 4 points

KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -1 point

R - Runs 1 point

RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point

SB - Stolen Bases 1 point

Scoring for Pitching Categories

BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -.5 points

BS - Blown Saves -2 points

ER - Earned Runs -1 point

HA - Hits Allowed -.5 points

INN - Innings 1 point

K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point

L - Losses -5 points

S - Saves 3 points

SO - Shutouts 10 points

W - Wins 10 points

It's not really a "serious" league - mostly with friends whom are mostly just casual fantasy fans. I'm much more into football than I am baseball fantasy-wise. You're right about there not being a lot of resources for H2H leagues - everything is almost entirely roto, which I certainly understand.

I just try and read up on players, and come up with some kind of strategy. I also drink moderately at the draft, so that helps too.

My league has its scoring setup almost identical to you. I dont disagree with the people who say Santana is a 1st round lock but let me throw some of last years final numbers at you as I have two drafts this weekend and have been working on my game plan:(REMEMBER THIS IS BASED ON THE ABOVE SCORING)

Pujols- 810

Howard- 721

Berkman- 700

Morneu- 656

Utley- 653

Durham- 537

Sanchez- 520

Uggla- 518

Atkins- 710

Cabrera- 667

Ramirez- 663

ARod- 539

Reyes- 686

Rollins- 672

Jeter- 655

Tejada- 608

Lee- 702

Beltran- 695

Vlad- 670

Holliday- 667

Mauer- 557

Martinez- 530

McCann- 494

Hernandez- 465

Santana- 520

Webb- 428

Zambrano- 427

Smoltz- 422

So I have given the top 4 players at each position from last season. Again, this is for a points based system much like Jets has. This proves that Santana, while heads above other picthers, is still fairly low among all other top positional players. In fact the only positions that he is better then the 4th place finisher is Cather and 2nd base, which comes as no surprise.

Having said that, I draft at number 7 tomorrow. If A Rod, Pujols, Reyes, Utley, Howard and Soriano are gone and I am left to choose from guys like Wright, Beltran, Ortiz and Santana. I will probably go with Santana even after doing the reserach above. If you can land Santana as your ace, you may be able to fill the rest of your roster with mediocre to good pitchers while spending the rest of your draft drafting for power (which is the big key in most H2H pts leagues that have similar scoring to above)

Just my

 

[TinHat]

I'd take him after Van Halen but before Jimmy Page.

A solid late second or early third rounder.

 

[LHUCKS]

we should start a seperate thread for HTH points leagues.

 

[Kiddnets]

I'm going to be in the minority (somewhat) and say (depending on scoring, etc.) I would take him #1 overall.And this is coming from someone who never focus on starters (because of their unpredictability).If you look at position scarcity, there are many quality first basemen, and some good third basemen.Even with a starter's unpredictability factored, in JSantana is waaayyy head and shoulders above the rest of the starters. In pickles' ap (which I know is very subjective), the widest disparity at any position is at SP, while the depth of talent at 1B is unquestionable.As my draft stands thus far:1.1 - Pujols,1.2 - Santana,1.3 - ARod,1.4 - (me) JReyes.

bold!!!!

 

[AcerFC]

we should start a seperate thread for HTH points leagues.

We probably should have started it a while ago. I agree that it would have helped

 

[Yankee23Fan]

He's an easy 1st rounder, and depending on your scoring system could even be the #1.

In a straight 5X5 I would never take an arm @ #1 when he can only help me in 4 cats.

Probably true if a straight redraft. I run a HTH league with 18 stats used as scoring categories, and it's a keeper. Santana is a potential #1 in my league - if he wasn't already being kept.The answer to these questions is always the scoring system.

 

[Michael Brown]

As for A-Rod vs. Santana, I'd go Santana every time. He's the only guy, including Pujols and Reyes, who is leaps and bounds ahead of the next-best guy at his position.

Really? More so than Chase Utley?

+ Joe Mauer, IMO.

I meant Santana is the most dominant of the guys who were going to be considered for that spot. Sure, Utley is far better than the next-best 2B but I didn't think he was part of the discussion.And I disagree on Mauer in that I don't think he's a ton better than Victor Martinez.

 

[Michael Brown]

He's an easy 1st rounder, and depending on your scoring system could even be the #1.

In a straight 5X5 I would never take an arm @ #1 when he can only help me in 4 cats.

But then you'd have to pass on Soriano (bad BA), Pujols (low SB), Crawford (R/HR/RBI below average at his position), Ortiz (no SB), Howard (no SB) for that same reason that you're only getting 4-category production. And that leaves you with only Reyes as a viable option for #1. And even his RBI, while good for a SS, are underwhelming relative to other first rounders.Santana, meanwhile, gives you "only" 4-category production but he likely leads the majors in all 4 of those categories.

 

[EZD222]

Another to note is that even Santana is head above shoulders the best pitcher out there, he becomes unstoppable in the 2nd half and down the stretch. He singlehandly carried my team once to a championship.

 

[PatsWillWin]

As for A-Rod vs. Santana, I'd go Santana every time. He's the only guy, including Pujols and Reyes, who is leaps and bounds ahead of the next-best guy at his position.

Really? More so than Chase Utley?

+ Joe Mauer, IMO.

I meant Santana is the most dominant of the guys who were going to be considered for that spot. Sure, Utley is far better than the next-best 2B but I didn't think he was part of the discussion.And I disagree on Mauer in that I don't think he's a ton better than Victor Martinez.

ahh, okay. i see what you were sayingyeah you're right, v-mart is there too. but i think C is two-deep this year, certainly.

 

[AcerFC]

So I have given the top 4 players at each position from last season. Again, this is for a points based system much like Jets has. This proves that Santana, while heads above other picthers, is still fairly low among all other top positional players. In fact the only positions that he is better then the 4th place finisher is Cather and 2nd base, which comes as no surprise.Having said that, I draft at number 7 tomorrow. If A Rod, Pujols, Reyes, Utley, Howard and Soriano are gone and I am left to choose from guys like Wright, Beltran, Ortiz and Santana. I will probably go with Santana even after doing the reserach above. If you can land Santana as your ace, you may be able to fill the rest of your roster with mediocre to good pitchers while spending the rest of your draft drafting for power (which is the big key in most H2H pts leagues that have similar scoring to above)Just my

So I was in the position I stated with one exception, Wright went before Soriano. So the choice was between Soriano and Santana. Took Santana. Came back with Vlad, M Young and then Oswalt to give you an idea what I got a few picks after. I think it turned out well for my teamTomorrow I have the 1st pick so I am going Pujols

 

[PatsWillWin]

drew 1.02 in my draft last night (H2H, points league) - took Santana

 

[PatsWillWin]

For anyone who cares/might have a draft coming up, below is my roster from the draft I had on Friday. It is a H2H points league. The scoring system is listed earlier in this thread.

1B Carlos Delgado

1B Richie Sexson

2B Marcus Giles

2B Rickie Weeks

2B Josh Barfield

3B Hank Blalock

3B Eric Chavez

SS Miguel Tejada

C A.J. Pierzynski

LF Manny Ramirez

CF Grady Sizemore

CF Rocco Baldelli

CF Curtis Granderson

RF Ichiro Suzuki

DH Adam Dunn (or LF)

SP Johan Santana

SP Brett Myers

SP Jered Weaver

SP John Patterson

SP Matt Garza

SP Roger Clemens

RP Chad Cordero

RP Billy Wagner

As you can see, it's a pretty weak infield. That is the price you pay when you go SP, OF, OF, OF in the first four rounds. We have to start a LF, CF, and RF so CF and RF are at a premium not unlike 2B and C. I have the best OF in the league, hands down, IMO.

I'm happy with Delgado at 1B - my plan was to try and wait on 1B since it's so deep and I think I got Delgado in the 7th round. Tejada also fell to the 5th somehow (although I was at the 1.02 spot so I almost took him in the 4th but the guy at 1.01 already had a SS so I knew he'd drop).

I always end up with Eric Chavez and he always disappoints me but he fell SO far and it's not like Hank Blalock is extremely consistent either.

2B is a mess - I'm hoping one of those guys emerge. I also punted C and took A.J. with, literally, my last pick (23rd round).

I like my pitching staff - Santana speaks for himself, and Myers is a strikeout machine and is awesome in this system. Weaver, Patterson, Clemens will round out my SP3 (assuming Clemens comes back mid-season). Garza was my 2nd to last pick - just an upside guy.

Two decent closers.

So - just for anyone who might be interested.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

we should start a seperate thread for HTH points leagues.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

For anyone who cares/might have a draft coming up, below is my roster from the draft I had on Friday. It is a H2H points league. The scoring system is listed earlier in this thread.

1B Carlos Delgado

1B Richie Sexson

2B Marcus Giles

2B Rickie Weeks

2B Josh Barfield

3B Hank Blalock

3B Eric Chavez

SS Miguel Tejada

C A.J. Pierzynski

LF Manny Ramirez

CF Grady Sizemore

CF Rocco Baldelli

CF Curtis Granderson

RF Ichiro Suzuki

DH Adam Dunn (or LF)

SP Johan Santana

SP Brett Myers

SP Jered Weaver

SP John Patterson

SP Matt Garza

SP Roger Clemens

RP Chad Cordero

RP Billy Wagner

As you can see, it's a pretty weak infield. That is the price you pay when you go SP, OF, OF, OF in the first four rounds. We have to start a LF, CF, and RF so CF and RF are at a premium not unlike 2B and C. I have the best OF in the league, hands down, IMO.

I'm happy with Delgado at 1B - my plan was to try and wait on 1B since it's so deep and I think I got Delgado in the 7th round. Tejada also fell to the 5th somehow (although I was at the 1.02 spot so I almost took him in the 4th but the guy at 1.01 already had a SS so I knew he'd drop).

I always end up with Eric Chavez and he always disappoints me but he fell SO far and it's not like Hank Blalock is extremely consistent either.

2B is a mess - I'm hoping one of those guys emerge. I also punted C and took A.J. with, literally, my last pick (23rd round).

I like my pitching staff - Santana speaks for himself, and Myers is a strikeout machine and is awesome in this system. Weaver, Patterson, Clemens will round out my SP3 (assuming Clemens comes back mid-season). Garza was my 2nd to last pick - just an upside guy.

Two decent closers.

So - just for anyone who might be interested.

I think Barfield could emerge for you at 2b, I have a draft tonight and am looking to get him in the mid-late rds

 

[PatsWillWin]

2B is a mess - I'm hoping one of those guys emerge. I also punted C and took A.J. with, literally, my last pick (23rd round).

I think Barfield could emerge for you at 2b, I have a draft tonight and am looking to get him in the mid-late rds

Yeah found his name on some sleeper list. I got him VERY late and there was a wave of "Good picks" from everyone else - aka the Kiss of Death.

 

[[icon]]

10 team local league. (friends/family).. I know 10 teamers are a bit of a joke because everyone is stacked but figured I'd try something different and went after stud MI early. Yeilded a lineup completely unlike any I've had before. Not the best squad at first glance but they should put up enough numbers to compete in every category.

I made a few gambles in OF (didn't draft one till R6) and if none pan out I'll likely have to work the wire a bit as the season progresses.

Pitching was a bit shaky as well..w waited till the 7th round to take a pitcher this year... used to grab at a stud or two early... I've got a couple of the best young arms in the game...we'll see how they pan out .

C - J Posada

1B - J Morneau

2B - C Utley

3B - A Ramirez

SS - J Reyes

OF - B Abreu

OF - N Swisher

OF - R Ibanez

UT - T Hafner

UT - J Francoeur

BN - D Young

BN - P Burrell

BN - N Markakis

SP - J Lackey

SP - B Myers

SP - S Kazmir

SP - C Hamels

SP - D Lowe

SP - S Olsen

SP - K Millwood

RP - T Hoffman

RP - C Ray

RP - T Satio

I COULD run into some issues in AVG and possibly WHIP...we'll see

 

[Yankee23Fan]

As I've said, I run a 10 team HTH with 18 categories. Start C,1B,2B,SS,3B, 3 OF, U, 5 SP, 4 RP. We have a bench of 7 and 2 useable DL spots. Also an option keeper. Players can be kept out of the pool for 3 years. After that they have to be thrown back in. If you keep them the second year after drafting them, you lose the pick in the round you took them. If you keep a player a 3rd year, you automatically lose a 1st rounder. You can keep up to 5.

We are in year 2 of all contracts, so any player kept is going to cost the pick in the round they were drafted in. Our deadline is tonight to annouce our keepers. I am defending champ thanks mainly to my offense (Manny, Hafner, Cano and Guillen leading the charge) dragging my pitching across the finish line after injuries or bad endings to the year. But I think my pitching is solid, so I will be keeping

SP Carlos Zambrano (4)

SP Jason Schmidt (5)

SP Barry Zito (6)

SP Scott Kazmir (11)

2B Robinson Cano (19)

It looks like a lot of guys will be keeping offense, so the draft could go either way. I'm thinking that with more hitters being kept then pitchers I've not only done well with value, but I will be cherry picking any hitters as everyone else tries to get a staff as deep as mine.

Or, I could be pooching the screw. Who knows.

 

[Limp Ditka]

As I've said, I run a 10 team HTH with 18 categories. Start C,1B,2B,SS,3B, 3 OF, U, 5 SP, 4 RP. We have a bench of 7 and 2 useable DL spots. Also an option keeper. Players can be kept out of the pool for 3 years. After that they have to be thrown back in. If you keep them the second year after drafting them, you lose the pick in the round you took them. If you keep a player a 3rd year, you automatically lose a 1st rounder. You can keep up to 5.

We are in year 2 of all contracts, so any player kept is going to cost the pick in the round they were drafted in. Our deadline is tonight to annouce our keepers. I am defending champ thanks mainly to my offense (Manny, Hafner, Cano and Guillen leading the charge) dragging my pitching across the finish line after injuries or bad endings to the year. But I think my pitching is solid, so I will be keeping

SP Carlos Zambrano (4)

SP Jason Schmidt (5)

SP Barry Zito (6)

SP Scott Kazmir (11)

2B Robinson Cano (19)

It looks like a lot of guys will be keeping offense, so the draft could go either way. I'm thinking that with more hitters being kept then pitchers I've not only done well with value, but I will be cherry picking any hitters as everyone else tries to get a staff as deep as mine.

Or, I could be pooching the screw. Who knows.

Unless it's a top 5 pick in round one, I'd be keeping Pronk over any that I just bolded.

 

[guru_007]

As I've said, I run a 10 team HTH with 18 categories. Start C,1B,2B,SS,3B, 3 OF, U, 5 SP, 4 RP. We have a bench of 7 and 2 useable DL spots. Also an option keeper. Players can be kept out of the pool for 3 years. After that they have to be thrown back in. If you keep them the second year after drafting them, you lose the pick in the round you took them. If you keep a player a 3rd year, you automatically lose a 1st rounder. You can keep up to 5.

We are in year 2 of all contracts, so any player kept is going to cost the pick in the round they were drafted in. Our deadline is tonight to annouce our keepers. I am defending champ thanks mainly to my offense (Manny, Hafner, Cano and Guillen leading the charge) dragging my pitching across the finish line after injuries or bad endings to the year. But I think my pitching is solid, so I will be keeping

SP Carlos Zambrano (4)

SP Jason Schmidt (5)

SP Barry Zito (6)

SP Scott Kazmir (11)

2B Robinson Cano (19)

It looks like a lot of guys will be keeping offense, so the draft could go either way. I'm thinking that with more hitters being kept then pitchers I've not only done well with value, but I will be cherry picking any hitters as everyone else tries to get a staff as deep as mine.

Or, I could be pooching the screw. Who knows.

Unless it's a top 5 pick in round one, I'd be keeping Pronk over any that I just bolded.

I would keep Kazmir and Cano. I'd debate Zambrano....the others I'd throw back in the pond.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

As I've said, I run a 10 team HTH with 18 categories. Start C,1B,2B,SS,3B, 3 OF, U, 5 SP, 4 RP. We have a bench of 7 and 2 useable DL spots. Also an option keeper. Players can be kept out of the pool for 3 years. After that they have to be thrown back in. If you keep them the second year after drafting them, you lose the pick in the round you took them. If you keep a player a 3rd year, you automatically lose a 1st rounder. You can keep up to 5.

We are in year 2 of all contracts, so any player kept is going to cost the pick in the round they were drafted in. Our deadline is tonight to annouce our keepers. I am defending champ thanks mainly to my offense (Manny, Hafner, Cano and Guillen leading the charge) dragging my pitching across the finish line after injuries or bad endings to the year. But I think my pitching is solid, so I will be keeping

SP Carlos Zambrano (4)

SP Jason Schmidt (5)

SP Barry Zito (6)

SP Scott Kazmir (11)

2B Robinson Cano (19)

It looks like a lot of guys will be keeping offense, so the draft could go either way. I'm thinking that with more hitters being kept then pitchers I've not only done well with value, but I will be cherry picking any hitters as everyone else tries to get a staff as deep as mine.

Or, I could be pooching the screw. Who knows.

Unless it's a top 5 pick in round one, I'd be keeping Pronk over any that I just bolded.

He would be a 3rd rounder - last pick in the round actually. I was going back and forth with Hafner. My problem is eligibility - he is only a DH. If I could get him into 1st base (I think he missed by like 2 games) I'd love to keep him. Also, given where I see everyone going with their keepers, SP will be at a premium in the draft, so my thought was stay stocked there, and just take every hitter I can until I have to fill in the bench.As for Cano, that is solely value and value only.

It's strategy as well. I don't think anyone will take Hafner in the first two rounds given his position status, so I think I can grab him again anyway.

 

[guru_007]

It's strategy as well. I don't think anyone will take Hafner in the first two rounds given his position status, so I think I can grab him again anyway.

Sure they will. Hafner is a stud.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

It's strategy as well. I don't think anyone will take Hafner in the first two rounds given his position status, so I think I can grab him again anyway.

Sure they will. Hafner is a stud.

I know the guys pretty well and I think they will stay away until I pick at least twice - also, many of the players that will be kept were 1st and 2nd rounders, so we'll see. I'll know more tomorrow after everyone announces the keepers.

 

[Limp Ditka]

He would be a 3rd rounder - last pick in the round actually. I was going back and forth with Hafner. My problem is eligibility - he is only a DH. If I could get him into 1st base (I think he missed by like 2 games) I'd love to keep him. Also, given where I see everyone going with their keepers, SP will be at a premium in the draft, so my thought was stay stocked there, and just take every hitter I can until I have to fill in the bench.As for Cano, that is solely value and value only.It's strategy as well. I don't think anyone will take Hafner in the first two rounds given his position status, so I think I can grab him again anyway.

I see he played 4 games at 1B last year which makes me think that 5 is your eligible number.From what I've read, there are intentions of playing Hafner at 1B about once a week. If that's true, he'd be eligible no later than mid May.The below is a 3/6 update on him from rotoworld via Cleveland Plain Dealer. I'd be looking into how much 1B time he got in spring as a gauge of how legit this is.

Travis Hafner is expected to play first base several times per week during spring training and said Monday that he may try to play the position once a week during the season.Hafner was limited to just four games at first base because of elbow problems last season. "We'll see how much or how little they need me once the season starts," Hafner said. "We have three or four other guys who can play over there. Throwing a few days in a row bothered me. That's why we talked about playing once a week so when interleague comes, my arm feels a little better."

 

[guru_007]

It's strategy as well. I don't think anyone will take Hafner in the first two rounds given his position status, so I think I can grab him again anyway.

Sure they will. Hafner is a stud.

I know the guys pretty well and I think they will stay away until I pick at least twice - also, many of the players that will be kept were 1st and 2nd rounders, so we'll see. I'll know more tomorrow after everyone announces the keepers.

Sounds to me like you're not planning on keeping him as your third rounder, but are trying to get him as your third round pick this year. Why take the chance? Not much upside if you ask me. If you're not keeping him, because you think his past three years have been flukes, well that I can understand.