stevejohnson
Footballguy
I have never paid for info before but as teh years go by and I get more busy, I could use some additional help with my high stakes league. Is Football guys stuff worth it?
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Put it to you this way :2 years ago, I paid for a subscription.Last year, I did the same.That should tell you all you need to know - if it was good enough to bring me back, it's worth the $$. Plus, the subscriber-only contest they run makes it worthwhile in and of itself. I mean, most FFers worth their salt will invest $20 for a chance to win $20,000. If you look at it that way, the forums, all the articles and research, the applications, the projections, etc.. are all free. I'll be a subscriber every year unless the quality slips, and from what I know of the staff, they won't allow that to happen.
stevejohnson
Footballguy
No, I'm asking a legit question. There are now dozens of pay sites out there and I'm trying to get feedback on some of them.....I'm not trying to advocate for or bash anyones stuff, just trying to get an opinion. Isn't that what these boards are for?
stevejohnson
Footballguy
Thanks.....I have heard some good things about your site. I used to use it a lot when it was free but hadn't been back until this year.....I deleted thepost. I will try to keep this on track so you can see both positive and negative feedback.
stevejohnson
Footballguy
[QUOTE=']There are some legit free sites out there as well that are probably just as good as FBG, you just got to spend some time finding them...
And if it matters, I do not subscribe to FBG pay...
[/QUOTE]Like FFToday? Them going down right at playoff time really soured me on them. I thinking it may be worth the $20-$30 to have somebody else do the research for me.
And if it matters, I do not subscribe to FBG pay...
[/QUOTE]Like FFToday? Them going down right at playoff time really soured me on them. I thinking it may be worth the $20-$30 to have somebody else do the research for me.
jeff_eaglz
Moderator
Unbelievable amount of info for $25 a season. Hard to beat - anywhere.Been a paying member for years. Wouldn't think about not subscribing.Thanks.....I have heard some good things about your site. I used to use it a lot when it was free but hadn't been back until this year.....I deleted the
I still frequent other sites (Fanball, yahoo, rotoworld, sportsline, etc.) - the news all gets there as fast as they all can, but the analysis and the features (Draft Dominator alone - need I say more?) are worth it.
Like FFToday? Them going down right at playoff time really soured me on them. I thinking it may be worth the $20-$30 to have somebody else do the research for me.stevejohnson said:
[/QUOTE]Nope, don't use FFToday for information at all...I would list the sites that I frequent for a little information here-and-there, but that is a "no-no" here...
Plus also, it really doesn't matter as fantasy sports is 100% luck anyway...
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uwillbsoon
Footballguy
I've subscribed for three years now and led my league in scoring for two of those years. Can't attribute it all to Football Guys, but I get most of my information here. I find it most useful during the preseason - the Draft Dominator is an essential draft tool.During the season, I usually only read the daily updates, the upgrades/downgrades, and the waiver wire info. I tend to not pay much attention to the projections because they are generally useless (this is not specific to FootballGuys - I don't buy into weekly projections). I use most of the written information that is condensed in the various e-mails to make who do I start choices.Heck, I'd pay the $25 just to have access to these forums. I know they are free, but by paying my $25 a year I feel that in some way I am helping make them free.Throw in the subscriber $20,000 contest and it's really a value that can't be beat in my opinion.
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Insoxicated
There isn't a better site out there IMHOThe Shark Pool is amusing at this time of year, but it is unbelievably valuable in the pre-preseason.... the discsussions are top notch. During the season it is the single most current source of info you will find anywhere... The draft dominator software that is included with the 20 bucks will singlehandedly move you up a notch or two in your league standings.... seriously. The weekly information is almost OVERKILL if that is possible... updated daily throughout the season you have access to more analyisis than you could ever possibly use. Couple that with easy access to very stable boards for amusing and informative (sometimes) discussion on all non FF matters (check out the free for all). I have been a subscriber for 3 years running now. Sure, I could dig around for hours and find 70% or so of the info that is available here... but why. Not to get all Sally Struthers on you but the fee comes down to barely more than $1 a week.. FYI, I am in 2 leagues (1 freinds / 1 money).... I am in both my superbowls and should win both handily for some bragging rights and enough coin to cover most if not all of my Xmas shopping. Do it... seriously. Hell.. if you don't think it's worth it *I* will refund your 20 bucks.... 
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BroadwayG
Footballguy
I've been a subscriber for the past two years. I will continue to do so until my winnings from the previous season will not cover the expense. Being in between 15-20 leagues each year, I don't consider this an easy task, but it looking like I'll be subscribing again next year as well. 
FFdork
Footballguy
I've never paid for anyone else, so it's a little hard to compare. I have gotten free weeks of pay or premium content from other sites. Nothing comes close that I've seen IMO. It may be that you could pull together a lot of what they offer for free, but it would be be a prohibitive amount of work for me with a job, a kid, a life, etc.
stevejohnson
Footballguy
Like FFToday? Them going down right at playoff time really soured me on them. I thinking it may be worth the $20-$30 to have somebody else do the research for me.
[/QUOTE]Nope, don't use FFToday for information at all...I would list the sites that I frequent for a little information here-and-there, but that is a "no-no" here...
Plus also, it really doesn't matter as fantasy sports is 100% luck anyway...
[/QUOTE]"100% luck"? No offense but that is what most of the guys who lose every year say...."It was all luck". Please, Fantasy football is about 50% luck and 50% "skill". Having good information helps will the "skill" part.
Either way, thanks for your imput.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
These guys are clearly better than KFFL, Draftsharks, Yahoo! whomever. Noone has as much content, ...not even close. Noone cover IDP like these guys, and noone goes through the Super Bowl, as more and more leagues go through the edn of the year, and/or start a "playoff only league".What I also like, is services like Draft Sharks pat themselves on the back for every other pick they get right, just asking for criticsm, but shut that down. These guys arent' reminding you each week of how high they had someone ranked in the pre-season, yet no mention of their failures as they go along either. If you don't pay for the site.... buy their magazine. IMHO most magazines really only give you about 10%-25% of good content. Shameful for them to fill up 60% of the magazine with stats of each player over the last 3 years with obvious commentary like "Shaun Alexander is a fantasy superstar". Thanks... I can't find more stats on the net, and didn't know that. They did a great job breaking out with long pieces on the players were CARE ABOUT from a fantasy perspective. Not spending 2 pages on LT2... but spending the time on players we weren't sure about... like Nate Burleson, Kerry Collins, Lamont Jordan. Expert fantasy'ers don't need to be told whom to pick and in what order, what we want is ideas, perspective, point/counterpoint to still deduce our OWN projections/thoughts/etc...
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Be sure to look at the week by week info... it's in that link.... each week you get something like 700 pages of info.. it's ridiculous.Nope, don't use FFToday for information at all...I would list the sites that I frequent for a little information here-and-there, but that is a "no-no" here...
Plus also, it really doesn't matter as fantasy sports is 100% luck anyway...
[/QUOTE]"100% luck"? No offense but that is what most of the guys who lose every year say...."It was all luck". Please, Fantasy football is about 50% luck and 50% "skill". Having good information helps will the "skill" part.
Either way, thanks for your imput.
[/QUOTE]Well, I am currently in the Super Bowl in my money league and I still say it is 100% luck...
stevejohnson
Footballguy
Wow, I figured that it would be a bit bias asking guys at this forum to discuss the pay info but most of you (except for the guy from fftoday - I recogize his handle) seem to love this site. I didn't know about the 20K contest either.....I may wind up becoming a subscriber next season (I could have used the help this year....finished 3rd in my high stakes league)
shakeybarn
Footballguy
Also, I emailed Joe at the end of the season for a "demo account" as they left all the content up from the year... to check it out. He responded within a day, I dug around... and have been a fan ever since.
Mr. Anonymous
Footballguy
I subscribe to KFFL also. I will probably not renew next year.Because it's not worth $50 - no, not for that reason, though it is not worth $50 compared to FBG's $30 (or whatever it was).Rather, because KFFL is largely informational - I cannot make it user-friendly in terms of customizing it to my league - and I get all the information I need from FBGs. I can't really spend more time reviewing and absorbing information. FBG gives me information/projections I consider just as good and maybe better, but also these forums, and most importantly of all, software that allows me to apply a methodology I believe in (VBD) to the projections they produce.Though I have a suscription to KFFL, I don't even look at their website most weeks... only when I have a really thorny call to make.Each service seems to get out breaking news at about the same speed. My instinct is FBG might be a little quicker. I would probably keep subscribing to that, just to get the jump that one time a year on a waiver wire prospect.
stevejohnson
Footballguy
Nope, don't use FFToday for information at all...I would list the sites that I frequent for a little information here-and-there, but that is a "no-no" here...][QUOTE=stevejohnson][QUOTE= said:
Plus also, it really doesn't matter as fantasy sports is 100% luck anyway...
[/QUOTE]"100% luck"? No offense but that is what most of the guys who lose every year say...."It was all luck". Please, Fantasy football is about 50% luck and 50% "skill". Having good information helps will the "skill" part.
Either way, thanks for your imput.
[/QUOTE]Well, I am currently in the Super Bowl in my money league and I still say it is 100% luck...
[/QUOTE]"I'm currently in the Super Bowl"? Sure you are. Anyone can be in the "Super Bowl" on a message board! That is kind of like everyone in prison saying they are really innocent!
pricklypete
Footballguy
I have been happy thus far (1st year), and will more than likely reup at the end of the year.What I like about the site more than anything is the breakdown of stats. The layout is very user friendly, and I can get to what I want with ease. Without sounding like too much of a kiss ###, I really can't think of any negatives right now.Will report back after some thought.
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
I don't take advantage of a lot of the info and tools that come with the subscription, but they are perfect if you're a lazy ### like me who doesn't like to search for news all over the place. The e-mail updates/rushing & passing matchups/cheatsheets rounds up all of the information I need, and in a convenient format that is perfect for taking into the can. Draft Dominator is a great tool, even if you only use it to do mock drafts to prepare for your actual draft. I'd say it's worth it, because it allows me to keep up on FF-related news, without spending an inordinate amount of time to do so.
tarheel1unc
Footballguy
If you subscribe to one, this should be it!
Just another testimonial...I am casual player, NFL addict, who likes to win! Over the past few years I used several pay sites, and on a recommendation I used FFB this year and ROCKED. This is by far the best paysite out there, and I've subscribed to about a dozen. The forums are really fun, but the pay details are awesome. I just don't where else you get updated cheatsheets on Fri, Sat, and Sunday morning, weekly running tallies of targets and red-zone targets, the absolute fastest breaking news via Joe's email alerts, many-sided, "pro and con," preseason analysis of mabye 200 players, a draft app that fits to your scoring and your numbers predictions, the critical week-by-week updated fantasy strength of schedule, game recaps that tell you which receiver had two TDs called back on holding, waiver tips before the wire opens, weekly in-depth reports from training camp, and the occasional laugh. No way an individual can put all that together on their own.Beyond that, in the end, a site must be graded by its analysis and recommendations. Unlike most sites, FFB NEVER runs with the pack. I have a lot of examples this year of good tips, but I'll just give the best one. In week three of the preseason, after my main money league had drafted, Joe recommended picking up a 3rd string RB who had no college record to speak of, who played behind two fantasy stalwarts, Bettis and Staley. I got FWP off the waiver wire -- he went undrafted -- rode him to a win week 2, and got trade offers the next week for him for Culpep, DDavis, and McNabb. (Me, I held out and eventually had to settle for Stephen Davis.) That tip was basically a free first round pick. What else do you want out of a paysite?Rock on, boys. Quote me, use me, put my picture on your poster with a big grin holding cash. Just don't stop working. I am playing in the championship in one 1g league, and in the semis in a $1500, in week 15. How I got to one league's finals expecting to start Willie Parker and Frank Gore, one word: FFB.
mistersmith
Footballguy
I remember in the years past, I would pick up a magazine on the stand from the bookstore and pick up a few issues. It would probably end up costing me around 25 bucks regardless, but the problem was the info would obviously be outdated in a week, so I decided to use the internet instead. Last year was the first time I paid for a site. I wasn't too happy with it, as I paid approximately 45 bucks for it, and I kept getting beat by the sharks in my league and ended up in last place. So I decided that the year after, I would try each and every fantasy football site out there since I couldn't seem to find any reviews for any of them and would evaluate them myself. I did find one person recommending footballguys on a poker board, so I thought I'd give it a try the following year.My experience with footballguys...The email updates were phenomenal. One thing that I remembered earlier was talking with a friend about Javon Walker. Now, my friend is normally one of the quickest ppl concerning fantasy football news but I remembered that night I told him I was sorry about Javon Walker, expecting him to commiserate, but he was confused and was like 'where did you hear that?' Of course I realized my mistake but I just mumbled 'the radio'. Yes, I wanted to keep this site secret from my friends. That's how sick I became. I did have a minor problem with the updates, since I was using hotmail, but after an email to the staff, it was quickly switched over to my gmail and the updates have been fine ever since.I'm also a big fan of game recaps. There, you can get a true sense of what really went on in the game, along with the targets. Also, my league starts 2 IDP players on a team defense. Normally, what I did last year was I would just draft two defensive guys that sounded good and start them regardless of matchup, but this year, I started picking IDP guys based on matchups and FBG's recommendations...that made a huge difference. ok...sorry if this is a bit long, but in summary, my initial quest to review every single site is over...i'll be subscribing again to fbgs next year...and hopefully i'll finish higher next year (will finish 3rd or 4th out of 12 and in the money this year, up from 12th out of 12th last year).
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I didn't subcribe this year due to trying to do too many things in life before my draft, and couldn't get the kinks with signup worked out for some reason - I think my login ID had issues or something and I was out of the country for 2 weeks, so it just didn't get done.I like the pre-season draft aids the most, as I think once the season gets rolling I can generally keep up on the players I need to watch via the forum, Sunday Ticket, my league website, and various news sources.If you're in a lot of leagues with different scoring, the VBD app is great.
You ask a fair question so I'll give you a fair answer 
I think this is a 2-part question;1) should you pay for ANY FF site?2) if the answer is yes, should it be footballguysTo the first question I would have said NO 4 or 5 years ago but now I offer an emphatic YES. Why the change? Because my life & priorities changed. Used to be that I could spend hours upon hours each week digging for stats, info, etc. Once I had my son though I didn't have as much free time and the option to have somebody else do the digging, collating and presentation of basic fantasy football information become very tempting. Whether or not your answer to this question is yes or no only you know. If you're starting to feel that your enjoyment (and success) in fantasy football is slipping because you don't have the time, energy, or ability to collect the information you need then some premium service is probably a good idea.To the 2nd question I think FBG is a very good value. I tried several sites before settling on FBG as my main source. During that time I was mainly concerned with 3 things; speed of information, differing points of view, proper perspective.Speed of Info...Any site, premium or free, can give you data/facts/information. Injury updates, changes in depth charts and all around NFL news are everywhere. Where I think FBG excels is how quickly they get that information to you. They have SCHEDULED updates every day and aren't shy about dropping you an email for breaking news. Their speed of service is as good, if not better, then most other sites.Differing POV...I think this one gets over looked a lot. There are lots of sites out there with one, or very few, people making the editorial decisions statements and positions for their sites. That means if you pay for their site you get the same data you could get anywhere else and usually only one analysis of that data. At FBG they've assembled a team of analysts (addicts) that give you many different opinions & viewpoints...some wildly different from each other. This allows you to get lots of analysis with only one stop (and one subscription fee) saving time & money.Lastly I like the FBG perpective...Apparently they sometimes get heat for their holiday emails, or Joe's Random Shots, but they're actually the reason I stay here. They take their fantasy football very seriously around here when it needs to be...but they also understand it's a game, a hobby and an escape. I like that perspective. I like the humor and pathos and the generally "chummy" atmosphere. It never diminishes the football information, it adds to it.I think the most telling statistic of any service industry is repeat customers. If people like the service they come back, if they don't like it they go someplace else. I've been a subscriber here for 3 seasons and have never regretted it.EricThe Seehawk
I think this is a 2-part question;1) should you pay for ANY FF site?2) if the answer is yes, should it be footballguysTo the first question I would have said NO 4 or 5 years ago but now I offer an emphatic YES. Why the change? Because my life & priorities changed. Used to be that I could spend hours upon hours each week digging for stats, info, etc. Once I had my son though I didn't have as much free time and the option to have somebody else do the digging, collating and presentation of basic fantasy football information become very tempting. Whether or not your answer to this question is yes or no only you know. If you're starting to feel that your enjoyment (and success) in fantasy football is slipping because you don't have the time, energy, or ability to collect the information you need then some premium service is probably a good idea.To the 2nd question I think FBG is a very good value. I tried several sites before settling on FBG as my main source. During that time I was mainly concerned with 3 things; speed of information, differing points of view, proper perspective.Speed of Info...Any site, premium or free, can give you data/facts/information. Injury updates, changes in depth charts and all around NFL news are everywhere. Where I think FBG excels is how quickly they get that information to you. They have SCHEDULED updates every day and aren't shy about dropping you an email for breaking news. Their speed of service is as good, if not better, then most other sites.Differing POV...I think this one gets over looked a lot. There are lots of sites out there with one, or very few, people making the editorial decisions statements and positions for their sites. That means if you pay for their site you get the same data you could get anywhere else and usually only one analysis of that data. At FBG they've assembled a team of analysts (addicts) that give you many different opinions & viewpoints...some wildly different from each other. This allows you to get lots of analysis with only one stop (and one subscription fee) saving time & money.Lastly I like the FBG perpective...Apparently they sometimes get heat for their holiday emails, or Joe's Random Shots, but they're actually the reason I stay here. They take their fantasy football very seriously around here when it needs to be...but they also understand it's a game, a hobby and an escape. I like that perspective. I like the humor and pathos and the generally "chummy" atmosphere. It never diminishes the football information, it adds to it.I think the most telling statistic of any service industry is repeat customers. If people like the service they come back, if they don't like it they go someplace else. I've been a subscriber here for 3 seasons and have never regretted it.EricThe Seehawk
Chief
Footballguy
I have been a footballguy for years. I used to banter back and forth with Joe Bryant, Greg Kellogg and many others before there even was a world wide web - (think bulletin board - like this one). The one thing that always came across to me then still is true today. These guys are very serious about getting the most up to date info possible, they are honest, and they are well grounded individuals. (I, for one, appreciate the Memorial day emails). I have always appreciated their candor (derived from their league contacts) and statistical analysis to the "game," both of which over the course of the season is right a lot more often than it is wrong. I used Joe's VBD Strategy and would create my own projections for a few years before the work was done for me by FBG (and thank goodness, because that really took a lot of time!) Over the years FBG has tweaked, expanded and improved their offferings to the point where it is almost overwhelming! I don't read all of the articles and all of the stats. But there are specific items that I really would not want to be without in going through a football season.I think the most important thing that FBG can do is to provide information for the FF Player to make his or her own decisions. I give a lot of credence to the statistical analysis of the game. Numbers don't lie, but this is not an exact science. As they say, there is a reason they play the games. Stuff happens (turnovers, injuries, Drew Rosenhaus, Whizzinator, etc). You cannot predict everything and unfortunately I think some people think that if they pay for FBG that means that they will win their league automatically. I don't think this is reasonable. But I do believe that FBG helps you in making INFORMED decisions based upon the numbers and trends. For my draft, I will still go into the VBD program and tweak certain player's projected stats to make them a little more to my liking (I put T.O.'s stats at half of the projected #s because I saw what he did in SF). The fact that they allow you to do this with their application tells me that they encourage people to think for themselves and make their own decisions. I don't think that the FBG claim to know all; if they did, there is no doubt they would be making big bucks in Vegas and they wouldn't have to run this site! I will conclude by saying that I have always been in contention in my league (save for one disasterous injury-plagued and just plain unlucky season) and have won the league multiple times in the 10 years of my association with the Footballguys. They make the draft prep and the weekly information gathering a lot more easier. I will continue to pay for the service because of the time saving aspect and the quality of the information provided. 
Chiefy Chief
Chiefy Chief
Mmen of Steel
Footballguy
Worth every penny. Customized draftsheets for the draft are worth the cost. Add in the weekly cheatsheets and breaking news make it a steal.
And don't get me started on the heaps of other information available on a weekly basis. I don't even have enough time to delve into it all. Hopefully, FBG doesn't get a big head and starts to charge more....
if more people sign up, they shouldn't have to....Worth every penny. Customized draftsheets for the draft are worth the cost. Add in the weekly cheatsheets and breaking news make it a steal.
Hopefully, FBG doesn't get a big head and starts to charge more....
wannabee
Footballguy
This info came from this thread:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...Holmes++Johnson
Syx, in post 21, broke the story. Thanks again, Syx.
next season.Subscribe. 
Kleck
Footballguy
Geesh. Lots of glowing testimonials. To be fair, you're hearing testimonials from our customer base. Odds are they're going to almost exclusively positive. If someone was dissatisfied with what we offer, they probably would have moved on.If I had to pick out one area for us to improve on, its probably timeliness and deadlines. We set fairly vague deadlines on purpose, but customers get upset regardless when something doesn't show up on the site until late at night Pacific time. Lots of folks on the east coast. Problem is David Dodds is on the west coast. its not like we have content being put up after its too late and after its useful, but its an area where we've found it near impossible to keep everyone happy. I guess we should also mention we did make changes during season after getting requests. I think we started putting out an initial cheatsheet sooner after several requests.I just didn't want this to sound like an ###-kissing thread. We're thrilled that the majority of our clientele are happy with what we offer, but we're not satisfied and will look to keep improving.
http://members.cox.net/dcffl/FFL/flmindex.htmTeam name - Herndon Hitmen - 10-team partial keeper league...
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MyAwesomePrizeAlias
Footballguy
Willis McGahee #4 overall?
