How likely is Brady Quinn to win a SB (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

It's certainly way too early to be expecting Brady Quinn to become a stud QB in the NFL, but I'm curious to see where we are right now in terms of his expectations. I've seen some people say they hope their team gets the number one pick this year, so they can get Quinn. Without playing his senior year it's much harder to grade him, but where does the shark pool stand on this for now?

 

[SSOG]

I think the only two QBs selected #1 overall who went on to actually win a superbowl were John Elway and Troy Aikman. So take 2, divide it by how many QBs have been taken #1 overall, and that's about what I think Quinn's odds of winning a superbowl are.

 

[Zer0Dawg]

I think the only two QBs selected #1 overall who went on to actually win a superbowl were John Elway and Troy Aikman. So take 2, divide it by how many QBs have been taken #1 overall, and that's about what I think Quinn's odds of winning a superbowl are.

And John Elway was traded to denver on draft day, so he didn't even stay with the team that drafted him... And, look how long it took elway to win a SB... will any team or fanbase be as patient?

 

[Bojang0301]

I think the only two QBs selected #1 overall who went on to actually win a superbowl were John Elway and Troy Aikman. So take 2, divide it by how many QBs have been taken #1 overall, and that's about what I think Quinn's odds of winning a superbowl are.

Terry Bradshaw

 

[Thorpe]

Quinn is no where near a lock to go #1. Look what happened to Leinart. Even if he is an above average QB, he will likely go to a team that is below average, so I'd say his chance to win the Superbowl is roughly 1 in 32, for each year he is with his team. Pulling a number out of nowhere, I'd say he might be on the team that drafts him for 6 years. That would give him a roughly 20 percent chance. If he has a 1/50 chance every year, then over 6 years that would be a 12 percent chance.

 

[SSOG]

I think the only two QBs selected #1 overall who went on to actually win a superbowl were John Elway and Troy Aikman. So take 2, divide it by how many QBs have been taken #1 overall, and that's about what I think Quinn's odds of winning a superbowl are.

Terry Bradshaw

Haha, wow, I actually meant to type Terry Bradshaw instead of Troy Aikman. That's so bizarre that I accidentally replaced the guy I meant to type with the guy I'd forgotten about... who just so happened to be the third QB drafted #1 overall to win a SB.

 

[Doug Drinen]

I think the only two QBs selected #1 overall who went on to actually win a superbowl were John Elway and Troy Aikman. So take 2, divide it by how many QBs have been taken #1 overall, and that's about what I think Quinn's odds of winning a superbowl are.

Just for fun, let's run through it.Overall #1 QBs in the Super Bowl era:

2005 1 1 1 Alex D. Smith 49ers QB Utah

2004 1 1 1 Eli Manning Chargers QB Mississippi

2003 1 1 1 Carson Palmer Bengals QB USC

2002 1 1 1 David Carr Texans QB Fresno State

2001 1 1 1 Michael Vick Falcons QB Virginia Tech

1999 1 1 1 Tim Couch Browns QB Kentucky

1998 1 1 1 Peyton Manning Colts QB Tennessee

1993 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe Patriots QB Washington State

1990 1 1 1 Jeff George Colts QB Illinois

1989 1 1 1 Troy Aikman Cowboys QB UCLA

1987 1 1 1 Vinny Testaverde Buccaneers QB Miami (FL)

1983 1 1 1 John Elway Colts QB Stanford

1975 1 1 1 Steve Bartkowski Falcons QB California

1971 1 1 1 Jim Plunkett Patriots QB Stanford

1970 1 1 1 Terry Bradshaw Steelers QB Louisiana Tech

That's 15. Bradshaw and Aikman won Super Bowls with the teams that drafted them. Plunkett and Elway won Super Bowls with different teams. Bartkowski, George, and Couch did not win Super Bowls. Four out of seven winning a super bowl is a much higher success rate than I would have guessed.

Everyone else is at least technically still a maybe.

Smith, Peyton Manning, Palmer, Vick, and Carr are still alive.

Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Eli are still alive for Super Bowls, but not with the team that drafted them, although it's within the spirit of the question IMO to count Eli as being drafted by the Giants.

 

[cws3030]

I think the only two QBs selected #1 overall who went on to actually win a superbowl were John Elway and Troy Aikman. So take 2, divide it by how many QBs have been taken #1 overall, and that's about what I think Quinn's odds of winning a superbowl are.

Just for fun, let's run through it.Overall #1 QBs in the Super Bowl era:

2005 1 1 1 Alex D. Smith 49ers QB Utah

2004 1 1 1 Eli Manning Chargers QB Mississippi

2003 1 1 1 Carson Palmer Bengals QB USC

2002 1 1 1 David Carr Texans QB Fresno State

2001 1 1 1 Michael Vick Falcons QB Virginia Tech

1999 1 1 1 Tim Couch Browns QB Kentucky

1998 1 1 1 Peyton Manning Colts QB Tennessee

1993 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe Patriots QB Washington State

1990 1 1 1 Jeff George Colts QB Illinois

1989 1 1 1 Troy Aikman Cowboys QB UCLA

1987 1 1 1 Vinny Testaverde Buccaneers QB Miami (FL)

1983 1 1 1 John Elway Colts QB Stanford

1975 1 1 1 Steve Bartkowski Falcons QB California

1971 1 1 1 Jim Plunkett Patriots QB Stanford

1970 1 1 1 Terry Bradshaw Steelers QB Louisiana Tech

That's 15. Bradshaw and Aikman won Super Bowls with the teams that drafted them. Plunkett and Elway won Super Bowls with different teams. Bartkowski, George, and Couch did not win Super Bowls. Four out of seven winning a super bowl is a much higher success rate than I would have guessed.

Everyone else is at least technically still a maybe.

Smith, Peyton Manning, Palmer, Vick, and Carr are still alive.

Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Eli are still alive for Super Bowls, but not with the team that drafted them, although it's within the spirit of the question IMO to count Eli as being drafted by the Giants.

i thought the number would be lover for #1 overal qb's but if you add in eli than 20% of them have won a super bowl already and that #can only go up with the guys you mention above.

 

[FUBAR]

Just for fun, let's run through it.

Overall #1 QBs in the Super Bowl era:

1993 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe Patriots QB Washington State

Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Eli are still alive for Super Bowls, but not with the team that drafted them, although it's within the spirit of the question IMO to count Eli as being drafted by the Giants.

Bledsoe has a Super Bowl ring with New England. SB XXXVI

 

[Doug Drinen]

Just for fun, let's run through it.

Overall #1 QBs in the Super Bowl era:

1993 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe Patriots QB Washington State

Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Eli are still alive for Super Bowls, but not with the team that drafted them, although it's within the spirit of the question IMO to count Eli as being drafted by the Giants.

Bledsoe has a Super Bowl ring with New England. SB XXXVI

I'll be darned. Excellent point.#1 pick QBs are almost a LOCK!!!!!1111

 

[FUBAR]

Just for fun, let's run through it.

Overall #1 QBs in the Super Bowl era:

1993 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe Patriots QB Washington State

Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Eli are still alive for Super Bowls, but not with the team that drafted them, although it's within the spirit of the question IMO to count Eli as being drafted by the Giants.

Bledsoe has a Super Bowl ring with New England. SB XXXVI

I'll be darned. Excellent point.#1 pick QBs are almost a LOCK!!!!!1111

lol, I won't go that far, but the odds are better than I thought, or most people think.I see Quinn and Leinart as very similar QBs. Both know how to manage a game and are relatively low risks. Leinart should not have fallen as far as he did, but NFL GMs aren't perfect. There's a lot going for Quinn, but of the teams that should be in a position to draft him, the only team I like the young nucleus of is the Jets, and they got their QB already.

 

[GregR_2]

Just for fun, let's run through it.

Overall #1 QBs in the Super Bowl era:

1993 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe Patriots QB Washington State

Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Eli are still alive for Super Bowls, but not with the team that drafted them, although it's within the spirit of the question IMO to count Eli as being drafted by the Giants.

Bledsoe has a Super Bowl ring with New England. SB XXXVI

I'll be darned. Excellent point.#1 pick QBs are almost a LOCK!!!!!1111

Since we're trying to figure out the odds for Quinn, I think accuracy is more important than technicality in which case Steve Young should be in the list too.

 

[Doug Drinen]

Since we're trying to figure out the odds for Quinn, I think accuracy is more important than technicality in which case Steve Young should be in the list too.

LOCK!!!!!!111

 

[weasel3515]

Reminds me of a couple of questions years ago...how many Heismans will Ron Powlus win? How many Heismans will Rick Mirer win? Just because he plays for Notre Dame doesn't make them great. I will go out on a limb and say Brady Quinn will NEVER win a Super Bowl. Period.

 

[GregR_2]

Reminds me of a couple of questions years ago...how many Heismans will Ron Powlus win? How many Heismans will Rick Mirer win? Just because he plays for Notre Dame doesn't make them great. I will go out on a limb and say Brady Quinn will NEVER win a Super Bowl. Period.

So in summary, just because someone plays for Notre Dame doesn't make them great, but it's reason enough to say he will never win a Super Bowl?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Quinn's certainly not a lock to be the number one pick. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr and Mike Vick were the last five number ones, and none of them were even average their first year. It seems like Quinn's a very long shot to win the SB in his first year (100-1) and even if he's A Franchise QB he probably would be a 20-1 shot his second year. Of course, the odds are also high that he'll be a bust, whether he's good or not.

Without thinking about it too much, I'd say between 5-10%.

 

[FUBAR]

Quinn's certainly not a lock to be the number one pick. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr and Mike Vick were the last five number ones, and none of them were even average their first year. It seems like Quinn's a very long shot to win the SB in his first year (100-1) and even if he's A Franchise QB he probably would be a 20-1 shot his second year. Of course, the odds are also high that he'll be a bust, whether he's good or not.

Without thinking about it too much, I'd say between 5-10%.

You're giving him the same odds to win the SB in his 2nd year as his entire career?

 

[GregR_2]

Quinn's certainly not a lock to be the number one pick. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr and Mike Vick were the last five number ones, and none of them were even average their first year. It seems like Quinn's a very long shot to win the SB in his first year (100-1) and even if he's A Franchise QB he probably would be a 20-1 shot his second year. Of course, the odds are also high that he'll be a bust, whether he's good or not.

Without thinking about it too much, I'd say between 5-10%.

You're giving him the same odds to win the SB in his 2nd year as his entire career?

I agree that doesn't make sense given his year 2 prediction.Though frankly, I figure few teams picking high enough to get Quinn where he's likely to go will have a shot at a Super Bowl inside of 3 years. If it were a random event he'd have a 1 in 32 chance of winning, so I can't realistically see him having more than that in his first 2 years, and possibly not in his first 3 or 4.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Quinn's certainly not a lock to be the number one pick. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr and Mike Vick were the last five number ones, and none of them were even average their first year. It seems like Quinn's a very long shot to win the SB in his first year (100-1) and even if he's A Franchise QB he probably would be a 20-1 shot his second year. Of course, the odds are also high that he'll be a bust, whether he's good or not.

Without thinking about it too much, I'd say between 5-10%.

You're giving him the same odds to win the SB in his 2nd year as his entire career?

Of course not.Even if he's A Franchise QB, he doesn't have great odds of winning it in his first or second year. The odds of him being a franchise QB are obviously considerably lower than 100%.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Weird topic, but I will play. Anyone who has watched Quinn his whole career knows that he is gutsy and has heart. Two very good qualities in a starting QB. I will be paying more attention to him this year to decifer if he has truly grown as a QB, or if the credit goes to "Charles in Charge". If BUFFALO does draft him number 1 overall next year, then I believe it will take him 3 years to make the playoffs. Super Bowl (?)... I just don't see Willis McGahee on a Super Bowl winning team. So my answer is no, he will not win the big one.

 

[FUBAR]

Quinn's certainly not a lock to be the number one pick. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr and Mike Vick were the last five number ones, and none of them were even average their first year. It seems like Quinn's a very long shot to win the SB in his first year (100-1) and even if he's A Franchise QB he probably would be a 20-1 shot his second year. Of course, the odds are also high that he'll be a bust, whether he's good or not.

Without thinking about it too much, I'd say between 5-10%.

You're giving him the same odds to win the SB in his 2nd year as his entire career?

Of course not.Even if he's A Franchise QB, he doesn't have great odds of winning it in his first or second year. The odds of him being a franchise QB are obviously considerably lower than 100%.

you give 20-1 odds that he'll win the SB in his 2nd year and 5-10% for his career, sure looks like the same or similar odds to me. There's been plenty of non "franchise" QBs who have won a Super Bowl.

 

[FUBAR]

Weird topic, but I will play. Anyone who has watched Quinn his whole career knows that he is gutsy and has heart. Two very good qualities in a starting QB. I will be paying more attention to him this year to decifer if he has truly grown as a QB, or if the credit goes to "Charles in Charge". If BUFFALO does draft him number 1 overall next year, then I believe it will take him 3 years to make the playoffs. Super Bowl (?)... I just don't see Willis McGahee on a Super Bowl winning team. So my answer is no, he will not win the big one.

Buffalo won't have a top 10 pick, let alone the #1Then again, AZ did get Leinart, who should have been #1, so WTF do I know?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Quinn's certainly not a lock to be the number one pick. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr and Mike Vick were the last five number ones, and none of them were even average their first year. It seems like Quinn's a very long shot to win the SB in his first year (100-1) and even if he's A Franchise QB he probably would be a 20-1 shot his second year. Of course, the odds are also high that he'll be a bust, whether he's good or not.

Without thinking about it too much, I'd say between 5-10%.

You're giving him the same odds to win the SB in his 2nd year as his entire career?

Of course not.Even if he's A Franchise QB, he doesn't have great odds of winning it in his first or second year. The odds of him being a franchise QB are obviously considerably lower than 100%.

you give 20-1 odds that he'll win the SB in his 2nd year and 5-10% for his career, sure looks like the same or similar odds to me. There's been plenty of non "franchise" QBs who have won a Super Bowl.

This one's not too difficult. If he's Eli Manning, he's got maybe 20-1 odds of winning his second year. If he's David Carr, he's got a much lower chance than 20-1 of winning the Super Bowl his second year. If he's a Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson type, then he'll fall somewhere in between.

 

[SSOG]

I think the only two QBs selected #1 overall who went on to actually win a superbowl were John Elway and Troy Aikman. So take 2, divide it by how many QBs have been taken #1 overall, and that's about what I think Quinn's odds of winning a superbowl are.

Just for fun, let's run through it.Overall #1 QBs in the Super Bowl era:

2005 1 1 1 Alex D. Smith 49ers QB Utah

2004 1 1 1 Eli Manning Chargers QB Mississippi

2003 1 1 1 Carson Palmer Bengals QB USC

2002 1 1 1 David Carr Texans QB Fresno State

2001 1 1 1 Michael Vick Falcons QB Virginia Tech

1999 1 1 1 Tim Couch Browns QB Kentucky

1998 1 1 1 Peyton Manning Colts QB Tennessee

1993 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe Patriots QB Washington State

1990 1 1 1 Jeff George Colts QB Illinois

1989 1 1 1 Troy Aikman Cowboys QB UCLA

1987 1 1 1 Vinny Testaverde Buccaneers QB Miami (FL)

1983 1 1 1 John Elway Colts QB Stanford

1975 1 1 1 Steve Bartkowski Falcons QB California

1971 1 1 1 Jim Plunkett Patriots QB Stanford

1970 1 1 1 Terry Bradshaw Steelers QB Louisiana Tech

That's 15. Bradshaw and Aikman won Super Bowls with the teams that drafted them. Plunkett and Elway won Super Bowls with different teams. Bartkowski, George, and Couch did not win Super Bowls. Four out of seven winning a super bowl is a much higher success rate than I would have guessed.

Everyone else is at least technically still a maybe.

Smith, Peyton Manning, Palmer, Vick, and Carr are still alive.

Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Eli are still alive for Super Bowls, but not with the team that drafted them, although it's within the spirit of the question IMO to count Eli as being drafted by the Giants.

If you count Eli as being drafted by the Giants to fit with the spirit of the question, you have to do the same with Elway.I never realized that so few QBs had been taken #1 overall, though. I guess it skews perception when you have 7 QBs taken #1 overall in an 8 year span, it's easy to forget that there were only 8 QBs taken #1 overall in the 30 years prior.

Just for fun, let's run through it.

Overall #1 QBs in the Super Bowl era:

1993 1 1 1 Drew Bledsoe Patriots QB Washington State

Testaverde, Bledsoe, and Eli are still alive for Super Bowls, but not with the team that drafted them, although it's within the spirit of the question IMO to count Eli as being drafted by the Giants.

Bledsoe has a Super Bowl ring with New England. SB XXXVI

The question wasn't how likely is Brady Quinn to get a Superbowl Ring... the question is how likely is it for Brady Quinn to win a superbowl. Drew Bledsoe has been on a Superbowl winning team... but Drew Bledsoe has never won a superbowl.

 

[weasel3515]

Reminds me of a couple of questions years ago...how many Heismans will Ron Powlus win?  How many Heismans will Rick Mirer win?  Just because he plays for Notre Dame doesn't make them great.  I will go out on a limb and say Brady Quinn will NEVER win a Super Bowl.  Period.

So in summary, just because someone plays for Notre Dame doesn't make them great, but it's reason enough to say he will never win a Super Bowl?

GregR, you are obviously a Notre Dame homer which means you are not able to look at this topic without bias. I am neither a Notre Dame fan nor hater, just stating the facts. I'm not saying that just because Quinn plays for Notre Dame that excludes him from the possibility of winning a Super Bowl. Obviously Montana and Theisman have proven that contention incorrect. I am just saying two things:1. Just because he is Notre Dame's QB does not automatically qualify him for greatness, which I think this thread smacks of.

2. I honestly don't believe that Quinn will win a Super Bowl.

If you want to take issue with #2, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. If you want to argue #1, then prepared to be laughed at.

 

[GregR_2]

Reminds me of a couple of questions years ago...how many Heismans will Ron Powlus win? How many Heismans will Rick Mirer win? Just because he plays for Notre Dame doesn't make them great. I will go out on a limb and say Brady Quinn will NEVER win a Super Bowl. Period.

So in summary, just because someone plays for Notre Dame doesn't make them great, but it's reason enough to say he will never win a Super Bowl?

GregR, you are obviously a Notre Dame homer which means you are not able to look at this topic without bias. I am neither a Notre Dame fan nor hater, just stating the facts. I'm not saying that just because Quinn plays for Notre Dame that excludes him from the possibility of winning a Super Bowl. Obviously Montana and Theisman have proven that contention incorrect. I am just saying two things:1. Just because he is Notre Dame's QB does not automatically qualify him for greatness, which I think this thread smacks of.

2. I honestly don't believe that Quinn will win a Super Bowl.

If you want to take issue with #2, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. If you want to argue #1, then prepared to be laughed at.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where you described why you feel the way you do, apart from the he went to ND part?Edit to add: Let me make this clearer. I think anyone coming into this thread would interpret Chase's question as being because Quinn was a Heisman potential, had very good numbers playing in a pro style offense under Charlie Weis, and is widely regarded as the most likely #1 pick next year at this point in time.

You came in and seemed to focus on his being at ND as the reason that anyone would be discussing this, when I think it probably rates behind "he has a hot sister" as to why we would be discussing it.

So I'm not sure where this is coming from that I'm the one who is so concerned about where he's going to school, and the fact that it seemed to be the only criteria you felt important enough to mention seemed comment worthy. So I commented.

 

[gang-wars]

The question wasn't how likely is Brady Quinn to get a Superbowl Ring... the question is how likely is it for Brady Quinn to win a superbowl. Drew Bledsoe has been on a Superbowl winning team... but Drew Bledsoe has never won a superbowl.

Do they win the SB without Bledsoe? I don't think they even MAKE the SB that year without Bledsoe.

However, in the AFC championship game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Brady was blind-sided on a safety blitz, knocking him out of the game. Bledsoe stepped in, made two successful passes on his first drive, and then completed a crucial 25-yard pass to David Patten for a touchdown.

It's not like he was holding a clipboard the entire time.

 

[Bojang0301]

The question wasn't how likely is Brady Quinn to get a Superbowl Ring... the question is how likely is it for Brady Quinn to win a superbowl. Drew Bledsoe has been on a Superbowl winning team... but Drew Bledsoe has never won a superbowl.

Do they win the SB without Bledsoe? I don't think they even MAKE the SB that year without Bledsoe.

However, in the AFC championship game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Brady was blind-sided on a safety blitz, knocking him out of the game. Bledsoe stepped in, made two successful passes on his first drive, and then completed a crucial 25-yard pass to David Patten for a touchdown.

It's not like he was holding a clipboard the entire time.

Not too mention he took his team to a Superbowl previously more than some other no.1 picks can say.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The question wasn't how likely is Brady Quinn to get a Superbowl Ring... the question is how likely is it for Brady Quinn to win a superbowl. Drew Bledsoe has been on a Superbowl winning team... but Drew Bledsoe has never won a superbowl.

Do they win the SB without Bledsoe? I don't think they even MAKE the SB that year without Bledsoe.

However, in the AFC championship game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Brady was blind-sided on a safety blitz, knocking him out of the game. Bledsoe stepped in, made two successful passes on his first drive, and then completed a crucial 25-yard pass to David Patten for a touchdown.

It's not like he was holding a clipboard the entire time.

Agreed, but if people don't want to give credit to Dilfer for winning a SB, you can't give any to Bledsoe. They may not have won the SB if it wasn't for Bledsoe, but that doesn't mean he was the reason why won the SB. He wasn't responsible for lots of the main reasons they won the SB. If it wasn't for Tom Brady's parents meeting, the Patriots wouldn't have won the SB either.For what it's worth, I'm in the camp of giving Bledsoe some credit for the SB.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Weird topic, but I will play. Anyone who has watched Quinn his whole career knows that he is gutsy and has heart. Two very good qualities in a starting QB. I will be paying more attention to him this year to decifer if he has truly grown as a QB, or if the credit goes to "Charles in Charge". If BUFFALO does draft him number 1 overall next year, then I believe it will take him 3 years to make the playoffs. Super Bowl (?)... I just don't see Willis McGahee on a Super Bowl winning team. So my answer is no, he will not win the big one.

Buffalo won't have a top 10 pick, let alone the #1Then again, AZ did get Leinart, who should have been #1, so WTF do I know?

I am very interested in hearing what "10" teams will draft before Buffalo in next years draft. IMO opening their offense is worse than last years, and their aging D follows suit.

 

[Texasmouth]

Weird topic, but I will play. Anyone who has watched Quinn his whole career knows that he is gutsy and has heart. Two very good qualities in a starting QB. I will be paying more attention to him this year to decifer if he has truly grown as a QB, or if the credit goes to "Charles in Charge". If BUFFALO does draft him number 1 overall next year, then I believe it will take him 3 years to make the playoffs. Super Bowl (?)... I just don't see Willis McGahee on a Super Bowl winning team. So my answer is no, he will not win the big one.

Buffalo won't have a top 10 pick, let alone the #1Then again, AZ did get Leinart, who should have been #1, so WTF do I know?

I am very interested in hearing what "10" teams will draft before Buffalo in next years draft. IMO opening their offense is worse than last years, and their aging D follows suit.

Houston, San Fran, Tennessee. Only teams I can think of that could challenge Buffalo. Would Buffalo really spend a 1st rounder on a QB when they gave up two to get JP Loserman?

 

[SSOG]

The question wasn't how likely is Brady Quinn to get a Superbowl Ring... the question is how likely is it for Brady Quinn to win a superbowl. Drew Bledsoe has been on a Superbowl winning team... but Drew Bledsoe has never won a superbowl.

Do they win the SB without Bledsoe? I don't think they even MAKE the SB that year without Bledsoe.

However, in the AFC championship game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Brady was blind-sided on a safety blitz, knocking him out of the game. Bledsoe stepped in, made two successful passes on his first drive, and then completed a crucial 25-yard pass to David Patten for a touchdown.

It's not like he was holding a clipboard the entire time.

I agree that Drew Bledsoe was a key cog on a team that won the superbowl, but if you look at Drew Bledsoe's resume, under "Super Bowl Wins", you'll see a big fat zero. Unless you want to start calling Charlie Batch and Bubby Brister "Super Bowl Winning Quarterbacks", too.

 

[Big Score]

Weird topic, but I will play. Anyone who has watched Quinn his whole career knows that he is gutsy and has heart. Two very good qualities in a starting QB. I will be paying more attention to him this year to decifer if he has truly grown as a QB, or if the credit goes to "Charles in Charge". If BUFFALO does draft him number 1 overall next year, then I believe it will take him 3 years to make the playoffs. Super Bowl (?)... I just don't see Willis McGahee on a Super Bowl winning team. So my answer is no, he will not win the big one.

Buffalo won't have a top 10 pick, let alone the #1Then again, AZ did get Leinart, who should have been #1, so WTF do I know?

I am very interested in hearing what "10" teams will draft before Buffalo in next years draft. IMO opening their offense is worse than last years, and their aging D follows suit.

Houston, San Fran, Tennessee. Only teams I can think of that could challenge Buffalo. Would Buffalo really spend a 1st rounder on a QB when they gave up two to get JP Loserman?

I'd pull Houston off that list and replace them with the Jets.Houston had a nice draft, picked up a key vet in Moulds and actually have a decent Coach this year.

On the other hand, I can't really think of one nice thing to say about the Jets. :X

 

[FUBAR]

Weird topic, but I will play. Anyone who has watched Quinn his whole career knows that he is gutsy and has heart. Two very good qualities in a starting QB. I will be paying more attention to him this year to decifer if he has truly grown as a QB, or if the credit goes to "Charles in Charge". If BUFFALO does draft him number 1 overall next year, then I believe it will take him 3 years to make the playoffs. Super Bowl (?)... I just don't see Willis McGahee on a Super Bowl winning team. So my answer is no, he will not win the big one.

Buffalo won't have a top 10 pick, let alone the #1Then again, AZ did get Leinart, who should have been #1, so WTF do I know?

I am very interested in hearing what "10" teams will draft before Buffalo in next years draft. IMO opening their offense is worse than last years, and their aging D follows suit.

Houston, San Fran, Tennessee. Only teams I can think of that could challenge Buffalo. Would Buffalo really spend a 1st rounder on a QB when they gave up two to get JP Loserman?

I'd pull Houston off that list and replace them with the Jets.Houston had a nice draft, picked up a key vet in Moulds and actually have a decent Coach this year.

On the other hand, I can't really think of one nice thing to say about the Jets. :X

Spikes is healthy, the D will be better than last year, and I see Losman improving enough to help the team win 6 games or more. Sep 10 @New England 1:00pm

Sep 17 @Miami 1:00pm

Sep 24 N.Y. Jets 1:00pm

Oct 1 Minnesota 1:00pm

Oct 8 @Chicago 1:00pm

Oct 15 @Detroit 1:00pm

Oct 22 New England 1:00pm

Week 8 BYE

Nov 5 Green Bay 1:00pm

Nov 12 @Indianapolis 1:00pm

Nov 19 @Houston 1:00pm

Nov 26 Jacksonville 1:00pm

Dec 3 San Diego 1:00pm

Dec 10 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm

Dec 17 Miami 1:00pm

Dec 24 Tennessee 1:00pm

Dec 31 @Baltimore 1:00pm

That's 7 very winnable games. They might lose to Detroit or Green Bay, but they might beat Baltimore.

To answer your question, the teams I see them with a strong chance of finishing ahead of: (7 teams) NYJ, HOU, TEN, DET, GB, MIN, SF; teams I think they might: (3 out of these) NO, OAK, STL, PHI, CLE

 

[FUBAR]

1. Just because he is Notre Dame's QB does not automatically qualify him for greatness, which I think this thread smacks of.

2. I honestly don't believe that Quinn will win a Super Bowl.

If you want to take issue with #2, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. If you want to argue #1, then prepared to be laughed at.

Have you even watched this kid? He isn't Montana (yet), but he's a very intelligent QB with a good arm. I'd predict him to be a very good NFL QB even if he played in a small school in Tennessee or in the BIG XII.

 

[FatRader]

The advantage Quinn has is Weis. At draft time he'll have had 2 years of running an NFL-style offense under tutiledge of one of the most successful NFL OCs of the past decade. Plus, like Palmer and Lienart, he'll have the experience of handling the pressure that comes with being the QB at one of the nation's top college programs. No other QB coming out of college in recent history was as "NFL Ready" as Quinn will be next spring.

However, the Super Bowl question will be dependant on where he lands and who else is around him. He could be like Palmer and lead a successful rebuilding movement, or end up like Carr in an organization that just can't seem to get it right.

 

[StuntRock]

This topic will seem really silly when Brady Quinn suffers a career ending injury midway through his senior season.

 

[belljr]

I give him a 1/32 chance to win it each year.

 

[The Finist]

Reminds me of a couple of questions years ago...how many Heismans will Ron Powlus win? How many Heismans will Rick Mirer win? Just because he plays for Notre Dame doesn't make them great. I will go out on a limb and say Brady Quinn will NEVER win a Super Bowl. Period.

Spoken like a true ND hater.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Not Bloody likely

 

[Rovers]

Quinn's certainly not a lock to be the number one pick. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr and Mike Vick were the last five number ones, and none of them were even average their first year. It seems like Quinn's a very long shot to win the SB in his first year (100-1) and even if he's A Franchise QB he probably would be a 20-1 shot his second year. Of course, the odds are also high that he'll be a bust, whether he's good or not.

Without thinking about it too much, I'd say between 5-10%.

This is nuts. 100 to 1 his first year? More like 1000 to 1. Look at the QB's that did it. ALL of them had quality teams around them. Elway didn't win until he had regressed into being an average QB, but with better talent around him. 20-1 in his second year? Equally crazy, unless he lands on a team the way Rothlisberger did.... a team that just needed an average QB who would minimize mistakes. Marino was never good enough on his own to win a supe.... who says Quinn will be better than Marino?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Quinn's certainly not a lock to be the number one pick. Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, David Carr and Mike Vick were the last five number ones, and none of them were even average their first year. It seems like Quinn's a very long shot to win the SB in his first year (100-1) and even if he's A Franchise QB he probably would be a 20-1 shot his second year. Of course, the odds are also high that he'll be a bust, whether he's good or not.

Without thinking about it too much, I'd say between 5-10%.

This is nuts. 100 to 1 his first year? More like 1000 to 1. Look at the QB's that did it. ALL of them had quality teams around them. Elway didn't win until he had regressed into being an average QB, but with better talent around him. 20-1 in his second year? Equally crazy, unless he lands on a team the way Rothlisberger did.... a team that just needed an average QB who would minimize mistakes. Marino was never good enough on his own to win a supe.... who says Quinn will be better than Marino?

Very few teams are 1000 to 1 odds to win a SB. 100-1 is probably too low, but it's hard to say what type of a team he'd be on. Maybe 400-1 is more accurate.20-1 in his second year is if he's very good. Roethlisberger did it last year. Eli Manning could have done it last year. Carson Palmer could have done it his second year, although his team missed out on the playoffs. Any team that's in the top ten of the league has a better than 20-1 shot to win the SB, so if Brady Quinn is very good, I think that's about right.

 

[cstu]

#1 overall is not a good way to judge it, I'd go with the first QB taken. The odds are still going to be low either way, but that's a better comparison.

 

[Sinrman]

#1 overall is not a good way to judge it, I'd go with the first QB taken. The odds are still going to be low either way, but that's a better comparison.

I agree. What if it's SF again at #1 and they haven't given up on Alex Smith yet? Unless they trade away the #1 next year, they wouldn't draft Quinn. So the whole discussion would be moot if you're talking 1.01 overall..

 

[Chase Stuart]

30% or greater [ 16 ] ** [16.16%]20-30% [ 5 ] ** [5.05%]15-20% [ 8 ] ** [8.08%]10-15% [ 14 ] ** [14.14%]5-10% [ 24 ] ** [24.24%]Less than 5 % [ 32 ] ** [32.32%]Since this thread....Two QBs picked number 1 were added to the list of QBs picked first overall that won a ring. Bradshaw, Plunkett, Elway, Aikman are now joined by the Manning brothers. Arguably, Steve Young belongs on this list, too. There have been 16 QBs drafted first overall (counting Russell), and six of them have won a SB. If you include Young, it's 7/17. Alex Smith, David Carr and Vick are active and could win a ring, but I could date Jessica Alba, too. Palmer and Russell are active, and probably have better chances. (Yes, Russell having done nothing is still more likely than Carr.)

As for Quinn? Obviously the draft didn't unfold as he'd have liked, but he's still got a shot. If he can somehow take over as QB of the Browns, he might win one in the next few years. I'm not sure if his odds of winning a SB have really gone up or down in the past two years. Thoughts?

 

[renesauz]

Bored much?

Seriously,we need the draft to happen, and camps to start soon so we can find some real topics!

 

[renesauz]

O...and his odds are about the same, maybe a hair better.

 

[Bri]

30% or greater [ 16 ] ** [16.16%]20-30% [ 5 ] ** [5.05%]15-20% [ 8 ] ** [8.08%]10-15% [ 14 ] ** [14.14%]5-10% [ 24 ] ** [24.24%]Less than 5 % [ 32 ] ** [32.32%]Since this thread....Two QBs picked number 1 were added to the list of QBs picked first overall that won a ring. Bradshaw, Plunkett, Elway, Aikman are now joined by the Manning brothers. Arguably, Steve Young belongs on this list, too. There have been 16 QBs drafted first overall (counting Russell), and six of them have won a SB. If you include Young, it's 7/17. Alex Smith, David Carr and Vick are active and could win a ring, but I could date Jessica Alba, too. Palmer and Russell are active, and probably have better chances. (Yes, Russell having done nothing is still more likely than Carr.)

As for Quinn? Obviously the draft didn't unfold as he'd have liked, but he's still got a shot. If he can somehow take over as QB of the Browns, he might win one in the next few years. I'm not sure if his odds of winning a SB have really gone up or down in the past two years. Thoughts?

I think the fans negatively wonder when a guy doesn't play more. It's fine, in hindsight, for a QB to sit and learn but only if in hindsight it was an effective educational tool. If he doesn't come in and seem comfy, they're annoyed they had to wait to see the prized pick. Quinn threw 8 passes, Russell had 4 games but just one start and 66 passes. Raiders got a taste of Russell's game and daydream about a future with a quality QB, yet Browns fans probably wonder if trading Quinn for a good pick isn't an option.

Camp is -How come soandso can't beat out player Y? and the all too common viewpoint while watching the game on TV-Well he's gotta be better than that. I don't think fans, in general, are very patient. I think that's the gist of this poll.

If Quinn and Russell play more in 08, they'll get some love.

After that, they're impatient about wanting a Supe. Vick took the Falcs to a NFCC but (before the dog fighting stuff) people went from support to questionning his ability.

Was Dilfer or Shuler #1? or #1 QB that year? It wasn't long til Shuler was "done" and Dilfer was supposed to be something special still. For me, Dilfer's career isn't much. That Ravens supe seems like a cancellation prize for all the struggling his fans went thru waiting on him to be good.

He never completed 60% for a season.

His INTs are higher than his TDs.

His W-L record is poor.

He only started 16 games 4 times.

His best year he was a fillin.

When it comes down to it he's one of the highest drafted backup QBs ever and he wasn't drafted to be a backup. We glorify QBs and if you're one of the top QBs, fans will be impatient with getting results. The patience will run out too and they'll give up hope completely.

 

[FUBAR]

As for Quinn? Obviously the draft didn't unfold as he'd have liked, but he's still got a shot. If he can somehow take over as QB of the Browns, he might win one in the next few years. I'm not sure if his odds of winning a SB have really gone up or down in the past two years. Thoughts?

It depends what you mean by "his odds of winning a SB". I'd say his odds of getting a ring have significantly increased from when people thought he'd be a top pick to a bad team. Cleveland surprised a lot of people last year and have made some nice moves this off-season. His odds of starting and winning a SB, probably remain the same, as he hasn't shown that he can be an NFL QB yet.

 

[Fallerjw]

30% or greater [ 16 ] ** [16.16%]20-30% [ 5 ] ** [5.05%]15-20% [ 8 ] ** [8.08%]10-15% [ 14 ] ** [14.14%]5-10% [ 24 ] ** [24.24%]Less than 5 % [ 32 ] ** [32.32%]Since this thread....Two QBs picked number 1 were added to the list of QBs picked first overall that won a ring. Bradshaw, Plunkett, Elway, Aikman are now joined by the Manning brothers. Arguably, Steve Young belongs on this list, too. There have been 16 QBs drafted first overall (counting Russell), and six of them have won a SB. If you include Young, it's 7/17. Alex Smith, David Carr and Vick are active and could win a ring, but I could date Jessica Alba, too. Palmer and Russell are active, and probably have better chances. (Yes, Russell having done nothing is still more likely than Carr.)

As for Quinn? Obviously the draft didn't unfold as he'd have liked, but he's still got a shot. If he can somehow take over as QB of the Browns, he might win one in the next few years. I'm not sure if his odds of winning a SB have really gone up or down in the past two years. Thoughts?

I don't think the odds have changed, but the odds of him being the started for the SB winning team are slightly lower.