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How long is Detroit gonna let Caldwell stifle Stafford and the offense (1 Viewer)

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Caldwell is a historically tight coach. And while Calvin's health is a concern, it see Stafford's value is taking a massive hit from a fantasy perspective.

Will that disaster yesterday take the shackles off or will it all be blamed on Henery?

 
Don't underestimate the impact of Calvin's injury - that has had a big impact on the offense overall when the defense doesn't have to roll a lot of coverage his way. Also, the Lions defense has been surprisingly good, lessening the need to get into a lot of shootouts.

 
Caldwell isn't the offensive coordinator. They have a lot of injuries on their offense, and the Bills aren't a bad defense. They Lions do need a new kicker.

 
I thought I heard a crazy unbelievable stat about Stafford yesterday

Allegedly he had thrown at least 2 interceptions in 6 of his last 7 home games (prior to yesterday’s game)

If that is true then they need to hold him back a bit

Oh and they need a kicker

 
When they quit putting Calvin's legs in the crosshairs of the defenders, he will be able to stay on the filed. At 6'5", a quick slant with a defender charging is a recipe for injury.

 
When they quit putting Calvin's legs in the crosshairs of the defenders, he will be able to stay on the filed. At 6'5", a quick slant with a defender charging is a recipe for injury.
Not to mention all the high balls Staff throws where Calvin goes up to get them and comes down awkwardly after being hit.

 
When they quit putting Calvin's legs in the crosshairs of the defenders, he will be able to stay on the filed. At 6'5", a quick slant with a defender charging is a recipe for injury.
Not to mention all the high balls Staff throws where Calvin goes up to get them and comes down awkwardly after being hit.
I cringe on every throw that hack heaves Calvin's way except for the long downfield one. Anything across the middle is extremely dangerous as it tends to be above the WR, TE's head.

 
Calvin has always made Stafford look quite a bit better than he is. Might be a captain obvious statement but I think it's more than people realize.

 
I thought I heard a crazy unbelievable stat about Stafford yesterday
The Stafford stat that is cray unbelievable to me, if we can consider this a Stafford stat, is that the Lions have only beaten two teams who finished with a winning record in his entire career as the starter. Seattle in 2012 and the second should almost not count, 8-7-1 Green Bay last year with Flynn at QB.

He's got a great arm but he might be what a lot of us thought Cutler was a few years ago, a strong armed QB who lacked leadership/intagibles to win.

I've never seen an NFL QB so reliant on a WR in my history of watching football in terms of his overall play just massively slipping when he does not have his WR

 
Caldwell isn't the offensive coordinator. They have a lot of injuries on their offense, and the Bills aren't a bad defense. They Lions do need a new kicker.
Not to mention he's been sacked 17 times in five games...that would stifle a lot of offenses.

 
I thought I heard a crazy unbelievable stat about Stafford yesterday
The Stafford stat that is cray unbelievable to me, if we can consider this a Stafford stat, is that the Lions have only beaten two teams who finished with a winning record in his entire career as the starter. Seattle in 2012 and the second should almost not count, 8-7-1 Green Bay last year with Flynn at QB.

He's got a great arm but he might be what a lot of us thought Cutler was a few years ago, a strong armed QB who lacked leadership/intagibles to win.

I've never seen an NFL QB so reliant on a WR in my history of watching football in terms of his overall play just massively slipping when he does not have his WR
WOW

Maybe the article I read during the offseason saying that Stafford is basically Sam Bradford but with better weapons wasn’t that far off.

 
Caldwell was a bad hire from the begining. He is still living off coaching Manning and Flacco's great run to the Super Bowl. Being Tony Dungy's buddy has given him this chance and it wont last long. This offense has too many weapons to struggle for extended periods. Getting a solid kicker in house will help win a couple games.

 
Yesterday will be blamed on Henery, no Calvin and none of their top 3 RBs for the 2nd half. But mostly on Henery, who departs as 1-for-5. True, all of his kicks were from 40+, but still.

The offense obviously has been atrocious so far, though essentially no Calvin for half the season so far doesn't help. Stafford's... okay really, but not great. Maybe the offense will gel, maybe not. It's hard to put that all on Caldwell, and that's with wondering if he'll be here more than 2 years.

 
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Asked if he wanted to be let loose more downfield, Johnson said, "Um, just play within the gameplan."

Need a body language expert to have witnessed this statement but it sure seems to say 'Caldwell sucks and I wish I was elsewhere.' I think that's the closest we will get to Calvin #####ing.

 
Caldwell still sucks... guy shouldn't even be a coordinator never mind an HC
yea he is to basic, has very vanilla offense and he isn't a smart coach. It has been discussed already how badly he got outcoached in the playoff game against dallas and week 1,2 vs SD and Minn. Lions will be lucky to go 8-8 they are just a bunch of losers, always have been and always will be.

 
if you have a stifle for more than four hours you are supposed to call your doctor i am just sayin brohan

 
Historically bad hire for Detroit.
He was 11-5 with this team last year. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Lion's history.
:goodposting:

So far its been a historically GOOD hire for Detroit. The Lions' 11-5 mark last season was their 2nd best record in the past 44 years.
When all is said and done, it will look like a horrific hire. Lucky for them they had a very good defense (in 2014) or what you are seeing now is what you would have seen last year. They can't win like they did last year simply because the D is not up to the same level of play. The coaching staff is not adjusting to it. They simply can't keep doing what got them wins last year.....and quite a few were close call lucky wins.

 
Lombardi is bad, but Stafford just isn't that great. His 5000 yard season with 40 touchdowns was the aberration.
He definitely sucks. He was holding the ball way too long yesterday. He's afraid to throw it to Calvin except when the game is already over.

 
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Lombardi is bad, but Stafford just isn't that great. His 5000 yard season with 40 touchdowns was the aberration.
On the list of all time greatest seasons in the last 25 years (where Stafford's 2011 resides), you will find mostly "aberrations". Drew Brees might be the exception.

 
Slapdash said:
The whole offense is just painful to watch.
Watching New England's offense and it's many formations vs Caldwell/Lombardi and the pee wee formations, how are these guys employed in the NFL?.

 
Lombardi is bad, but Stafford just isn't that great. His 5000 yard season with 40 touchdowns was the aberration.
On the list of all time greatest seasons in the last 25 years (where Stafford's 2011 resides), you will find mostly "aberrations". Drew Brees might be the exception.
Let me rephrase. His sticks out more than others. Brady had a 50 touchdown year, but has been on of the best quarterbacks in the league, the same can be said for Rodgers, Peyton, Ben, Elway, Marino and others. That season was a major aberration. Like when Brandon Lloyd led the league in receiving, but was mediocre the rest of his career.

All the stars aligned that year for Stafford, and we all bought into because it was the perfect storm, young quarterback playing his first injury free year, young stud receiver for years to come, great pass catching and game breaking running back, a young tight end that caught 80 passes that year too. Stafford is mediocre, and had one brilliant year.

 
Lombardi is bad, but Stafford just isn't that great. His 5000 yard season with 40 touchdowns was the aberration.
On the list of all time greatest seasons in the last 25 years (where Stafford's 2011 resides), you will find mostly "aberrations". Drew Brees might be the exception.
Let me rephrase. His sticks out more than others. Brady had a 50 touchdown year, but has been on of the best quarterbacks in the league, the same can be said for Rodgers, Peyton, Ben, Elway, Marino and others. That season was a major aberration. Like when Brandon Lloyd led the league in receiving, but was mediocre the rest of his career.

All the stars aligned that year for Stafford, and we all bought into because it was the perfect storm, young quarterback playing his first injury free year, young stud receiver for years to come, great pass catching and game breaking running back, a young tight end that caught 80 passes that year too. Stafford is mediocre, and had one brilliant year.
Lions homers bought into it, the rest of NFL fans, not so much.

 
I am not a Lions fan at all I just live here now. I bought into fantasy wise and tons of people other than Lion Homers after 2011.

 
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Spartans Rule said:
Futz said:
shader said:
Historically bad hire for Detroit.
He was 11-5 with this team last year. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Lion's history.
:goodposting:

So far its been a historically GOOD hire for Detroit. The Lions' 11-5 mark last season was their 2nd best record in the past 44 years.
But last season was also the softest schedule they played in 44 years. During the regular season, they only faced 4 teams with a winning record and lost 3 (ARZ, NE, BUF). They only beat 1 team with a winning record (Packers) and lost to them on the road. Think about that for a minute. Only 1 of their wins came against a good team. The other 10 wins were against teams with a losing record or 8-8.

If you gift any team with just about any coach that cakewalk for a schedule, they will end up with a winning record. If anything Caldwell underachieved. He could have easily went 12-4 or better with a playoff win and a division title, if it were not for some of his horrible coaching decisions.

The Lions went 11-5 last year because they played a historically weak schedule. But the fact is they lost 4 out of the 5 games they played against teams with a winning record, including the playoff game in Dallas which they should have won. Nothing about that is impressive, absolutely nothing.

 
Spartans Rule said:
Futz said:
shader said:
Historically bad hire for Detroit.
He was 11-5 with this team last year. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Lion's history.
:goodposting:

So far its been a historically GOOD hire for Detroit. The Lions' 11-5 mark last season was their 2nd best record in the past 44 years.
But last season was also the softest schedule they played in 44 years. During the regular season, they only faced 4 teams with a winning record and lost 3 (ARZ, NE, BUF). They only beat 1 team with a winning record (Packers) and lost to them on the road. Think about that for a minute. Only 1 of their wins came against a good team. The other 10 wins were against teams with a losing record or 8-8.

If you gift any team with just about any coach that cakewalk for a schedule, they will end up with a winning record. If anything Caldwell underachieved. He could have easily went 12-4 or better with a playoff win and a division title, if it were not for some of his horrible coaching decisions.

The Lions went 11-5 last year because they played a historically weak schedule. But the fact is they lost 4 out of the 5 games they played against teams with a winning record, including the playoff game in Dallas which they should have won. Nothing about that is impressive, absolutely nothing.
That has little to do with Caldwell. Stafford is like 0 - 20 on the road against teams with winning records and only a couple of those came last year. He is also under .500 against teams with a winning record at home since Stafford has been there and that is 3 coaching regimes.

 
Stafford is quite a bit down on the list of Lions problems. He's not Aaron Rodgers. if he ever gets out of Detroit, dude would get snapped up quick and win with a competent staff and a team that can run the ball.

Lombardi and the OL are much bigger problems. Caldwell also at this point.

 
Stafford is quite a bit down on the list of Lions problems. He's not Aaron Rodgers. if he ever gets out of Detroit, dude would get snapped up quick and win with a competent staff and a team that can run the ball.

Lombardi and the OL are much bigger problems. Caldwell also at this point.
Stafford lead the Lions to so many sucessful playoffs run before Caldwell/Lombardi Wasnt two years ago they had one of the best offensive line in football how far did he lead them?

 
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Stafford is quite a bit down on the list of Lions problems. He's not Aaron Rodgers. if he ever gets out of Detroit, dude would get snapped up quick and win with a competent staff and a team that can run the ball.

Lombardi and the OL are much bigger problems. Caldwell also at this point.
I honestly feel like it's hard to really determine which problem is more severe than the other, and that is including Stafford. The OL is terrible, Lombardi's offense lacks creativity and diversity, and Caldwell is never going to be regarded as a coach who gets anything more than the minimum out of his team. That all said... Stafford just isn't good enough to overcome any adversity.

I don't think Stafford is as bad as some think he is, but he isn't good. The collapse of 13 was epic, and he was primarily responsible. Last year, Stafford was average... at best. This year, the OL is so bad, it's tough to say who is more at fault, but Stafford is once again making a lot of head scratching decisions, and his accuracy is STILL below average. Also, I have always felt that Calvin's poor health is a result of Stafford's inaccuracy. Calvin has taken some insane shots over the years while giving up his body to reel in some of Stafford's erratic passes.

Really though, what did we expect? We came out of the worst stretch for an NFL team in league history... the Millen era, to hire his right hand man to lead the franchise. We expected something significantly different?

 
Stafford is quite a bit down on the list of Lions problems. He's not Aaron Rodgers. if he ever gets out of Detroit, dude would get snapped up quick and win with a competent staff and a team that can run the ball.

Lombardi and the OL are much bigger problems. Caldwell also at this point.
Stafford lead the Lions to so many sucessful playoffs run before Caldwell/Lombardi Wasnt two years ago they had one of the best offensive line in football how far did he lead them?
I'm not going to argue this with Detroit fans. Whoever is the starting QB for the Lions and goalie for the Wings is to blame for everything. I don't buy it. Osgood won a cup and still wasn't good enough for Detroit.

We have never been able to run the ball. We can never get off the field on 3rd down on defense, outside of 2014. Our WRs and TEs lead the league in drops most years.

Stafford can make all of the throws and does a good job reading defenses when given time. 15 other teams in the league would love to have this guy. Yes, he needs to get better but like I said, he's not in the top 5 problems with this team, IMO.

 
Stafford is quite a bit down on the list of Lions problems. He's not Aaron Rodgers. if he ever gets out of Detroit, dude would get snapped up quick and win with a competent staff and a team that can run the ball.

Lombardi and the OL are much bigger problems. Caldwell also at this point.
Stafford lead the Lions to so many sucessful playoffs run before Caldwell/Lombardi Wasnt two years ago they had one of the best offensive line in football how far did he lead them?
I'm not going to argue this with Detroit fans. Whoever is the starting QB for the Lions and goalie for the Wings is to blame for everything. I don't buy it. Osgood won a cup and still wasn't good enough for Detroit.

We have never been able to run the ball. We can never get off the field on 3rd down on defense, outside of 2014. Our WRs and TEs lead the league in drops most years.

Stafford can make all of the throws and does a good job reading defenses when given time. 15 other teams in the league would love to have this guy. Yes, he needs to get better but like I said, he's not in the top 5 problems with this team, IMO.
Osgood was a goalie on a team with how many hall of famers?

 
Spartans Rule said:
Futz said:
shader said:
Historically bad hire for Detroit.
He was 11-5 with this team last year. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Lion's history.
:goodposting:

So far its been a historically GOOD hire for Detroit. The Lions' 11-5 mark last season was their 2nd best record in the past 44 years.
But last season was also the softest schedule they played in 44 years. During the regular season, they only faced 4 teams with a winning record and lost 3 (ARZ, NE, BUF). They only beat 1 team with a winning record (Packers) and lost to them on the road. Think about that for a minute. Only 1 of their wins came against a good team. The other 10 wins were against teams with a losing record or 8-8.

If you gift any team with just about any coach that cakewalk for a schedule, they will end up with a winning record. If anything Caldwell underachieved. He could have easily went 12-4 or better with a playoff win and a division title, if it were not for some of his horrible coaching decisions.

The Lions went 11-5 last year because they played a historically weak schedule. But the fact is they lost 4 out of the 5 games they played against teams with a winning record, including the playoff game in Dallas which they should have won. Nothing about that is impressive, absolutely nothing.
That has little to do with Caldwell. Stafford is like 0 - 20 on the road against teams with winning records and only a couple of those came last year. He is also under .500 against teams with a winning record at home since Stafford has been there and that is 3 coaching regimes.
Yes that is exactly my point. Caldwell has little to do with it. Pretty much any coach could have done the same thing. Rex Ryan could have went 11-5 or better with that team and that schedule. But Caldwell was brought in to fix the offense and Stafford and he has failed miserably at both. Even with the 11-5 record last year, the offense regressed. And the reality is Stafford is still better than a lot of other starting QBs. If you need Peyton Manning running your offense in order to win games, you are not a good head coach.

 
Stafford is quite a bit down on the list of Lions problems. He's not Aaron Rodgers. if he ever gets out of Detroit, dude would get snapped up quick and win with a competent staff and a team that can run the ball.

Lombardi and the OL are much bigger problems. Caldwell also at this point.
Stafford lead the Lions to so many sucessful playoffs run before Caldwell/Lombardi Wasnt two years ago they had one of the best offensive line in football how far did he lead them?
The problem with Stafford is he's too good to release but not elite. They are basically stuck with him for the next 10 years and he's just good. Not great.

There are a lot worse QBs in the NFL than Stafford. And QBs are too hard to find. So the Lions and Stafford are stuck with each other.

 
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In response to the thread title, until January 2018. Caldwell will get dumped then and Stafford's contract will finally be up.

 
Spartans Rule said:
Futz said:
shader said:
Historically bad hire for Detroit.
He was 11-5 with this team last year. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Lion's history.
:goodposting:

So far its been a historically GOOD hire for Detroit. The Lions' 11-5 mark last season was their 2nd best record in the past 44 years.
But last season was also the softest schedule they played in 44 years. During the regular season, they only faced 4 teams with a winning record and lost 3 (ARZ, NE, BUF). They only beat 1 team with a winning record (Packers) and lost to them on the road. Think about that for a minute. Only 1 of their wins came against a good team. The other 10 wins were against teams with a losing record or 8-8.

If you gift any team with just about any coach that cakewalk for a schedule, they will end up with a winning record. If anything Caldwell underachieved. He could have easily went 12-4 or better with a playoff win and a division title, if it were not for some of his horrible coaching decisions.

The Lions went 11-5 last year because they played a historically weak schedule. But the fact is they lost 4 out of the 5 games they played against teams with a winning record, including the playoff game in Dallas which they should have won. Nothing about that is impressive, absolutely nothing.
That has little to do with Caldwell. Stafford is like 0 - 20 on the road against teams with winning records and only a couple of those came last year. He is also under .500 against teams with a winning record at home since Stafford has been there and that is 3 coaching regimes.
I read somewhere that Stafford is like a nicer Jay Cutler and I tend to agree. Loads of arm talent but inconsistent and lacking many of the things needed to be a long term winning QB. In watching the first 2 games this year Stafford's ball placement and decision making have been erratic. IMO he is as much of the problem if not more than the coaching.

And softest schedule in 44 years based on what? Opponents win percentage? I'm willing to bet money that's not true. And the bolded above is ridiculous considering the Viking and Bears had pretty much the exact same schedule last season as the Lions and both finished with losing records. Caldwell may or may not not be a good NFL coach but this spin is crazy, even for the SP.

 
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