How many more top 5 years for Manning, Brees and Brady? (1 Viewer)

[3nOut]

Elite stud QBs are very difficult to find in keeper leagues. Manning, Brady and Brees are the only QBs I would classify as elite. There are several other quarterbacks that are very good, but i would not consider them elite. Palmer, Rivers, and Romo and maybe a few others fall into this categories. How much longer do you think these 3 elite QBs will remain as top 5 FF QBs? None are what I would consider old, and quarterbacks can player at a higher level longer than other positional players. I think Brees still has 5 years of top 5 stats, while Brady and Brees at least 3. I may be wrong, it may be longer for all of them.

The questions now is, when do you pull the trigger on a younger future stud? There are several young budding stars/studs in the making like Ryan, Staffors, and Sanchez. When do you invest in them? For sake of comparison, lets assume you can only keep one QB for next year. When would you be willing to trade away one of the current studs? Would you rather have on older fading stude or a rising future stud? And which QBs do you think will become future studs?

Disclosure: I am neither a Manning, Brees, or Brady owner.

 

[SSOG]

Elite stud QBs are very difficult to find in keeper leagues. Manning, Brady and Brees are the only QBs I would classify as elite. There are several other quarterbacks that are very good, but i would not consider them elite. Palmer, Rivers, and Romo and maybe a few others fall into this categories. How much longer do you think these 3 elite QBs will remain as top 5 FF QBs? None are what I would consider old, and quarterbacks can player at a higher level longer than other positional players. I think Brees still has 5 years of top 5 stats, while Brady and Brees at least 3. I may be wrong, it may be longer for all of them.

The questions now is, when do you pull the trigger on a younger future stud? There are several young budding stars/studs in the making like Ryan, Staffors, and Sanchez. When do you invest in them? For sake of comparison, lets assume you can only keep one QB for next year. When would you be willing to trade away one of the current studs? Would you rather have on older fading stude or a rising future stud? And which QBs do you think will become future studs?

Disclosure: I am neither a Manning, Brees, or Brady owner.

When I am confident that QBa has more top-3 or top-5 finishes in his future than QBb, I prefer QBa, regardless of age. The thing is, while other QBs might have more years in which they can compile those finishes, they're less likely in each individual year. I'm incredibly confident that Drew Brees has at least 3 more top-3 finishes left in his career. I can't think of another QB who I have that level of confidence in. Aaron Rodgers? Maybe, but I still remember Tony Romo, who two years ago was viewed essentially exactly the same as Rodgers is now, but who opinions have generally soured on. Cutler? Rivers? Romo? Any of them are capable of top-3 finishes... but I'm not incredibly confident in them doing it in any particular year. Carson Palmer? Matt Ryan? Again, not that same degree of confidence. If I had to bet, I would bet that Brees has more top-3 finishes left in him than any other QB in the game right now. Obviously, I'll be wrong on some of those QBs (*SOMEONE* is going to step up into the void when Manning/Brady decline), but I'll be right on more than I'm wrong.

 

[3nOut]

Bump.

 

[jon_mx]

Elite stud QBs are very difficult to find in keeper leagues. Manning, Brady and Brees are the only QBs I would classify as elite. There are several other quarterbacks that are very good, but i would not consider them elite. Palmer, Rivers, and Romo and maybe a few others fall into this categories. How much longer do you think these 3 elite QBs will remain as top 5 FF QBs? None are what I would consider old, and quarterbacks can player at a higher level longer than other positional players. I think Brees still has 5 years of top 5 stats, while Brady and Brees at least 3. I may be wrong, it may be longer for all of them.

The questions now is, when do you pull the trigger on a younger future stud? There are several young budding stars/studs in the making like Ryan, Staffors, and Sanchez. When do you invest in them? For sake of comparison, lets assume you can only keep one QB for next year. When would you be willing to trade away one of the current studs? Would you rather have on older fading stude or a rising future stud? And which QBs do you think will become future studs?

Disclosure: I am neither a Manning, Brees, or Brady owner.

Rivers is looking like an elite QB. And don't short change Roethlisberger. If I was looking at guys for this year and the next 5 years, I would rank them....1. Brees, 2. Rivers, 3. Roethlisberger. Manning and Brady will still be good for 3 more years, I just think their teams are in a bit of decline and it will hurt their numbers.

 

[djcolts]

18to88.com has an excellent group of articles on what "Old Manning" may look like statistically, based on looking at past great QBs in their later years:

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[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Brees is a lot younger than those other guys I think, with younger offensive talent around him. He should be good for a long while.

Brady is looking like he's pretty much done. How much is Bellichick regretting letting Cassel go? I was expecting him to pull a Montana/Young shark move and send Brady packing and rack up some nice future draft picks for an over the hill SB winning QB. NWE is looking like the 3rd best team in their division this year and they might struggle to go .500 with Brady under center.

The loss of Marvin Harrison plus the retirement of a future HOF coach does not bode well for Manning either.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I traded away Peyton in dynasty this offseason for Matt Schaub and 1.01 (Moreno). Probably a couple of years too early but I honestly felt I wasn't dropping off that much and I rewound the clock 5 years at QB. The thing with Peyton is security. NEVER having missed a start, what an ace to have up your sleeve with the attrition rate of QB's.

 

[NeverEnough]

I'm a Brees owner & have been thinking about dealing him at the end of this year.

 

[FUBAR]

Elite stud QBs are very difficult to find in keeper leagues. Manning, Brady and Brees are the only QBs I would classify as elite. There are several other quarterbacks that are very good, but i would not consider them elite. Palmer, Rivers, and Romo and maybe a few others fall into this categories. How much longer do you think these 3 elite QBs will remain as top 5 FF QBs? None are what I would consider old, and quarterbacks can player at a higher level longer than other positional players. I think Brees still has 5 years of top 5 stats, while Brady and Brees at least 3. I may be wrong, it may be longer for all of them.

The questions now is, when do you pull the trigger on a younger future stud? There are several young budding stars/studs in the making like Ryan, Staffors, and Sanchez. When do you invest in them? For sake of comparison, lets assume you can only keep one QB for next year. When would you be willing to trade away one of the current studs? Would you rather have on older fading stude or a rising future stud? And which QBs do you think will become future studs?

Disclosure: I am neither a Manning, Brees, or Brady owner.

When I am confident that QBa has more top-3 or top-5 finishes in his future than QBb, I prefer QBa, regardless of age. The thing is, while other QBs might have more years in which they can compile those finishes, they're less likely in each individual year. I'm incredibly confident that Drew Brees has at least 3 more top-3 finishes left in his career. I can't think of another QB who I have that level of confidence in. Aaron Rodgers? Maybe, but I still remember Tony Romo, who two years ago was viewed essentially exactly the same as Rodgers is now, but who opinions have generally soured on. Cutler? Rivers? Romo? Any of them are capable of top-3 finishes... but I'm not incredibly confident in them doing it in any particular year. Carson Palmer? Matt Ryan? Again, not that same degree of confidence. If I had to bet, I would bet that Brees has more top-3 finishes left in him than any other QB in the game right now. Obviously, I'll be wrong on some of those QBs (*SOMEONE* is going to step up into the void when Manning/Brady decline), but I'll be right on more than I'm wrong.

However, if I can get Rodgers, Ryan, or Rivers and something I need or want, I might trade one of these 3. FWIW, I own Brees in 2 leagues and Brady in 1 dynasty. I won't deal any of them right now unless a mammoth deal was offered. Partly because just what you said, partly because I'm limited in ways to improve in those 3 leagues. FWIW, Brees is 30. Kurt Warner is 38, Favre 40, Peyton 33, Tom terrific 32.

 

[NeverEnough]

Elite stud QBs are very difficult to find in keeper leagues. Manning, Brady and Brees are the only QBs I would classify as elite. There are several other quarterbacks that are very good, but i would not consider them elite. Palmer, Rivers, and Romo and maybe a few others fall into this categories. How much longer do you think these 3 elite QBs will remain as top 5 FF QBs? None are what I would consider old, and quarterbacks can player at a higher level longer than other positional players. I think Brees still has 5 years of top 5 stats, while Brady and Brees at least 3. I may be wrong, it may be longer for all of them.

The questions now is, when do you pull the trigger on a younger future stud? There are several young budding stars/studs in the making like Ryan, Staffors, and Sanchez. When do you invest in them? For sake of comparison, lets assume you can only keep one QB for next year. When would you be willing to trade away one of the current studs? Would you rather have on older fading stude or a rising future stud? And which QBs do you think will become future studs?

Disclosure: I am neither a Manning, Brees, or Brady owner.

When I am confident that QBa has more top-3 or top-5 finishes in his future than QBb, I prefer QBa, regardless of age. The thing is, while other QBs might have more years in which they can compile those finishes, they're less likely in each individual year. I'm incredibly confident that Drew Brees has at least 3 more top-3 finishes left in his career. I can't think of another QB who I have that level of confidence in. Aaron Rodgers? Maybe, but I still remember Tony Romo, who two years ago was viewed essentially exactly the same as Rodgers is now, but who opinions have generally soured on. Cutler? Rivers? Romo? Any of them are capable of top-3 finishes... but I'm not incredibly confident in them doing it in any particular year. Carson Palmer? Matt Ryan? Again, not that same degree of confidence. If I had to bet, I would bet that Brees has more top-3 finishes left in him than any other QB in the game right now. Obviously, I'll be wrong on some of those QBs (*SOMEONE* is going to step up into the void when Manning/Brady decline), but I'll be right on more than I'm wrong.

However, if I can get Rodgers, Ryan, or Rivers and something I need or want, I might trade one of these 3. FWIW, I own Brees in 2 leagues and Brady in 1 dynasty. I won't deal any of them right now unless a mammoth deal was offered. Partly because just what you said, partly because I'm limited in ways to improve in those 3 leagues. FWIW, Brees is 30. Kurt Warner is 38, Favre 40, Peyton 33, Tom terrific 32.

You'd take Rivers for Brees? I was offered Rivers for Brees (other guys in the deal too that made it a crappy deal for for me so I said no) but I don't view Rivers as elite. If I could get him to toss in ADP then I might take it.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Look to Favre and Warner for your answer. They're still playing because their ability/stability/experience at QB is so hard to reproduce. You play the top QBs until they're no longer producing and/or never healthy. The QB position is so damn important top QBs are so rare that you ride them as long as you can.

 

[Sarnoff]

I traded for Peyton in a keeper league last year, guy had Rodgers and was wanted to deal the old guy... and Peyton took my team all the way. Kept him this year, and I imagine I'll keep him until he goes off the cliff. Thing is even though 8 QBs are kept in my league every year (which is high for a keep-3 league IMO), when the end does come, I can QBBC my way out of it, even if it's for a half-season and the year after. Just have to have the other positions make up the shortfall when it happens.

Actually I kinda think Old Peyton has FF advantages over Young Peyton, namely, as we saw last season, the Colts will still be playing him in weeks 14, 15, and 16. Guy who used to have Peyton didn't always have him for the FF playoff stretch. Now Old Peyton is more likely to have to play those weeks.

With a QB, the cliff usually comes fast and it's pretty obvious, so it'll be unlikely you'll be stuck holding him too long past his value. QB is pretty easy to replace in fantasy when it does happen if you can find a good committee off the waiver wire as long as you have other players to pick up the slack, and that's the whole point of a keeper league.

 

[Phlash]

Brees is a lot younger than those other guys I think, with younger offensive talent around him. He should be good for a long while.Brady is looking like he's pretty much done. How much is Bellichick regretting letting Cassel go? I was expecting him to pull a Montana/Young shark move and send Brady packing and rack up some nice future draft picks for an over the hill SB winning QB. NWE is looking like the 3rd best team in their division this year and they might struggle to go .500 with Brady under center.The loss of Marvin Harrison plus the retirement of a future HOF coach does not bode well for Manning either.

There is so much misinformation in this post I'm having trouble figuring out where to start.Brees is 30. Brady is 32. Manning is 33. How is Brees "a lot younger" than Brady and Manning?Brady had one bad game against a defense that shut down two top offenses. For the time being the Jets defense is for real, but it remains to be seen if they will keep it up all season long. Cassel is good but he is no Brady by a longshot. The week before he had a "bad" week and still managed to lead the league in yardage while only "managing" a 95 quarterback rating, whilst pulling the come from behind victory.Harrison hasn't been relevant for two years and Manning has simply gone on to put up back to back 4000 yard seasons with a 98 QB rating in the first one and a 95 QB rating in the second one.

 

[SSOG]

You'd take Rivers for Brees? I was offered Rivers for Brees (other guys in the deal too that made it a crappy deal for for me so I said no) but I don't view Rivers as elite. If I could get him to toss in ADP then I might take it.

He said he'd take Rivers for Brees if he also got something else he needed or wanted.

Brady had one bad game and was constantly under pressure. Let's give it a few more games before we go sticking a fork in him, shall we?

Especially when you consider the opponent. Two weeks ago, the Jets shut down Houston so thoroughly that everyone was already declaring every Houston offensive player a bust. Last week, against what's generally regarded as a solid defense, Schaub went off for 300+ passing and 4 scores. It's possible that the Jets really are that good on defense.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Look to Favre and Warner for your answer. They're still playing because their ability/stability/experience at QB is so hard to reproduce. You play the top QBs until they're no longer producing and/or never healthy. The QB position is so damn important top QBs are so rare that you ride them as long as you can.

I don't think people are worried about them being starting quarterbacks in the NFL, but rather elite fantasy producers. You would've gotten 3 solid fantasy seasons out of the last 10 (last 5 for favre and last 5 for warner) between the two combined, and a whole lot of headaches in between.

 

[Vykng]

Cassel is good but he is no Brady by a longshot.

Since you were so quick to dismiss KnowledgeReignsSupreme and his points, what makes you say that about Cassel? Last I checked, Cassel's numbers receivers as a starter were much better than Brady's numbers receivers from his first year.

Fixed.

 

[NeverEnough]

You'd take Rivers for Brees? I was offered Rivers for Brees (other guys in the deal too that made it a crappy deal for for me so I said no) but I don't view Rivers as elite. If I could get him to toss in ADP then I might take it.

He said he'd take Rivers for Brees if he also got something else he needed or wanted.

Brady had one bad game and was constantly under pressure. Let's give it a few more games before we go sticking a fork in him, shall we?

Especially when you consider the opponent. Two weeks ago, the Jets shut down Houston so thoroughly that everyone was already declaring every Houston offensive player a bust. Last week, against what's generally regarded as a solid defense, Schaub went off for 300+ passing and 4 scores. It's possible that the Jets really are that good on defense.

I can read. I am wondering what else he'd need in the deal & what other folks would need in return for Brees......

 

[FUBAR]

You'd take Rivers for Brees? I was offered Rivers for Brees (other guys in the deal too that made it a crappy deal for for me so I said no) but I don't view Rivers as elite. If I could get him to toss in ADP then I might take it.

He said he'd take Rivers for Brees if he also got something else he needed or wanted.

Brady had one bad game and was constantly under pressure. Let's give it a few more games before we go sticking a fork in him, shall we?

Especially when you consider the opponent. Two weeks ago, the Jets shut down Houston so thoroughly that everyone was already declaring every Houston offensive player a bust. Last week, against what's generally regarded as a solid defense, Schaub went off for 300+ passing and 4 scores. It's possible that the Jets really are that good on defense.

I can read. I am wondering what else he'd need in the deal & what other folks would need in return for Brees......

Good to know you can read.

However, if I can get Rodgers, Ryan, or Rivers and something I need or want, I might trade one of these 3. FWIW, I own Brees in 2 leagues and Brady in 1 dynasty. I won't deal any of them right now unless a mammoth deal was offered. Partly because just what you said, partly because I'm limited in ways to improve in those 3 leagues.

Right now, I'd do something where I give Brady and a mid level player for Rivers and a stud. From what I've seen people tend to undervalue stud QBs, especially in dynasty leagues. If I'm rebuilding, Brees for Rivers and Moreno might do it, but I'm not where I have them.

 

[NeverEnough]

I was willing to give Brees & Ronnie (may have even tossed in Bush (OAK) or Mendy) for Rivers & ADP, but he says ADP is not for sale. So I will just enjoy Brees. Funny thing is, I played the ADP owner this week & destroyed him w/Brees & Brown.