How many of you actually use the Draft Dominator correctly? (1 Viewer)

[Bristol]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

 

[prymetyme25]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

Yeah i used it on a mock draft and noticed that it gives you a player but usually have better option at that ADP. I do however like that it does suggest a player for u.

 

[Bristol]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

Yeah i used it on a mock draft and noticed that it gives you a player but usually have better option at that ADP. I do however like that it does suggest a player for u.

Agreed. But, the player that it gives you is not always the best value pick. What happens if a player with a high ADP slides a couple of rounds and represents value even though he may not be the best player that DD recommends? That is where drafts are won and lost.IMO, people taking the pick recommended by DD are only ruining value.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I think one of the thing sit must do by who it "tells " me to take is take into account bye weeks and whatnot, because sometimes it will rec the 4th best wr by its own rankings?

great tool though.

 

[CrossEyed]

Like everything else, it's a tool. It lists the ADP too, so all you have to do is look at it and use your head.

 

[matuski]

Like everything else, it's a tool. It lists the ADP too, so all you have to do is look at it and use your head.

 

[hove]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

According to DD, Gates in the first round is the way to go!

 

[Bristol]

Like everything else, it's a tool. It lists the ADP too, so all you have to do is look at it and use your head.

I agree. But in a lot of the drafts I have been in where people are using DD, they are just taking the top player off the list or the best value pick. They pay no attention to ADP and will reach for players well ahead of their ADP which destroys their value. If you are in a league where people use DD, keep this in mind and use it to your benefit. It will be easy to see them doing it because you should both have the same scoring system put into the setup.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

Yeah i used it on a mock draft and noticed that it gives you a player but usually have better option at that ADP. I do however like that it does suggest a player for u.

Agreed. But, the player that it gives you is not always the best value pick. What happens if a player with a high ADP slides a couple of rounds and represents value even though he may not be the best player that DD recommends? That is where drafts are won and lost.IMO, people taking the pick recommended by DD are only ruining value.

By "High" ADP you mean a larger number, and by "low" you mean a smaller number right? 2.11 is a "higher" ADP than 1.3? Just want to make sure we are using the same terminology before I comment on this thread.

 

[Bristol]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

Yeah i used it on a mock draft and noticed that it gives you a player but usually have better option at that ADP. I do however like that it does suggest a player for u.

Agreed. But, the player that it gives you is not always the best value pick. What happens if a player with a high ADP slides a couple of rounds and represents value even though he may not be the best player that DD recommends? That is where drafts are won and lost.IMO, people taking the pick recommended by DD are only ruining value.

By "High" ADP you mean a larger number, and by "low" you mean a smaller number right? 2.11 is a "higher" ADP than 1.3? Just want to make sure we are using the same terminology before I comment on this thread.

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

 

[CalBear]

Like everything else, it's a tool. It lists the ADP too, so all you have to do is look at it and use your head.

I agree. But in a lot of the drafts I have been in where people are using DD, they are just taking the top player off the list or the best value pick. They pay no attention to ADP and will reach for players well ahead of their ADP which destroys their value. If you are in a league where people use DD, keep this in mind and use it to your benefit. It will be easy to see them doing it because you should both have the same scoring system put into the setup.

You may have the same scoring system, but you may not have the same baselines or projections.I don't think it's necessarily wrong to take a player before his ADP. That a player has an ADP of 6.10 doesn't mean he'll still be there if my next pick is 6.05.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

Yeah i used it on a mock draft and noticed that it gives you a player but usually have better option at that ADP. I do however like that it does suggest a player for u.

Agreed. But, the player that it gives you is not always the best value pick. What happens if a player with a high ADP slides a couple of rounds and represents value even though he may not be the best player that DD recommends? That is where drafts are won and lost.IMO, people taking the pick recommended by DD are only ruining value.

By "High" ADP you mean a larger number, and by "low" you mean a smaller number right? 2.11 is a "higher" ADP than 1.3? Just want to make sure we are using the same terminology before I comment on this thread.

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

Hasselbeck isn't a value pick relative to Roethlisberger if he's going to score less points.

 

[CalBear]

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

So you took a player at the same position who you have projected to score fewer points, and you think that was a value play?

 

[j3r3m3y]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

Yeah i used it on a mock draft and noticed that it gives you a player but usually have better option at that ADP. I do however like that it does suggest a player for u.

Agreed. But, the player that it gives you is not always the best value pick. What happens if a player with a high ADP slides a couple of rounds and represents value even though he may not be the best player that DD recommends? That is where drafts are won and lost.IMO, people taking the pick recommended by DD are only ruining value.

By "High" ADP you mean a larger number, and by "low" you mean a smaller number right? 2.11 is a "higher" ADP than 1.3? Just want to make sure we are using the same terminology before I comment on this thread.

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

That really depends. If you like Hassleback more than Ben and the Hoff is not likely to be there by your next pick then it isn't a reach. But if it is 2 rounds "early" or more you are correct, waiting is the best option. You also have to remember that ADP is not an exact science. You have to know your league and even then some players are taken well ahead of ADP because people are high on them. Most of the people in my league are in Washington so ADP is meaningless for Seahawks for example.Taking the highest value isn't always the right move, but neither is passing on the highest value player because of his ADP.I usually take both into account and then consult my gut. Because the gut is where truthiness comes from.

 

[kutta]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

Yeah i used it on a mock draft and noticed that it gives you a player but usually have better option at that ADP. I do however like that it does suggest a player for u.

Agreed. But, the player that it gives you is not always the best value pick. What happens if a player with a high ADP slides a couple of rounds and represents value even though he may not be the best player that DD recommends? That is where drafts are won and lost.IMO, people taking the pick recommended by DD are only ruining value.

By "High" ADP you mean a larger number, and by "low" you mean a smaller number right? 2.11 is a "higher" ADP than 1.3? Just want to make sure we are using the same terminology before I comment on this thread.

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

You should take the best player according to you, not the best player according to draft dominator.

 

[Bristol]

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

So you took a player at the same position who you have projected to score fewer points, and you think that was a value play?

Hasselbeck with outperform the draft position of 8th round. Not a doubt in my mind. Would I take him in the 6th? No way?The point differential between Roth and Hasselebeck was not that great and I would rather roll the dice with Hasselbeck (who has proved he can put up a big season in my scoring system), then Rothlisberger who has never put up a good season in my scoring system and is only "projected" to do so.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

So you took a player at the same position who you have projected to score fewer points, and you think that was a value play?

Hasselbeck with outperform the draft position of 8th round. Not a doubt in my mind. Would I take him in the 6th? No way?The point differential between Roth and Hasselebeck was not that great and I would rather roll the dice with Hasselbeck (who has proved he can put up a big season in my scoring system), then Rothlisberger who has never put up a good season in my scoring system and is only "projected" to do so.

I misread your original post.You didn't modify the projections? If you are going to ignore projections then DD is useless to you, because the entire tool as based around what players are "projected" to do.If you just accepted the projections that came with DD then ignore them you are not using DD correctly either.

 

[CalBear]

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

So you took a player at the same position who you have projected to score fewer points, and you think that was a value play?

Hasselbeck with outperform the draft position of 8th round. Not a doubt in my mind. Would I take him in the 6th? No way?The point differential between Roth and Hasselebeck was not that great and I would rather roll the dice with Hasselbeck (who has proved he can put up a big season in my scoring system), then Rothlisberger who has never put up a good season in my scoring system and is only "projected" to do so.

Then your problem is that you haven't done your own projections; if you project Hass to score more than Ben, you should have him scoring more points and he would show up ahead of Ben. So, you really should learn how to use the DD.

 

[ourmanflint]

According to DD, Gates in the first round is the way to go!

Yea that's kind of annoying. But I have used the DD in all 6 of my drafts and it was quite useful. Nice to see the value on the board at every pick.

 

[Revo]

DD is an ideal tool to keep track of team needs, player pool and tier/dropoff value. It can be used to select players -- but only if you agree with the projections. So used in conjunction with your own, 100% updated Projection Dominator, it's fantastic. Otherwise, it's an awesome resource, but only those who didn't prepare would use it that blindly.

For my keeper auction league, it's absolutely essential. It's almost right on the money with its Dynamic Values.

 

[OCC]

ADP?

People realize that's just an average of all the g00bers out there drafting right?

If you're in a shark league, someone falling below their ADP probably means they suck and/or overrated.

I don't see how "Forget My DD, the herd all picked XXX before this guy! I guess it's a better choice!".

I pretty much think of ADP as the uneducated herds draft picks. You're really going to rely on people who didn't a lot less research then yourself? Not to mention all the PPR/non-PPR/TD heavy settings. Good luck with that.

 

[j3r3m3y]

ADP?People realize that's just an average of all the g00bers out there drafting right?If you're in a shark league, someone falling below their ADP probably means they suck and/or overrated.I don't see how "Forget My DD, the herd all picked XXX before this guy! I guess it's a better choice!". I pretty much think of ADP as the uneducated herds draft picks. You're really going to rely on people who didn't a lot less research then yourself? Good luck with that.

It does give you an idea of where someone is likely to go and that could be used to your benefit.For example, based on your projections QBxxx is good value with your 6th pick. ADP has him going late 8th. You can take another player in the 6th and still likely get him in the 7th and maybe the 8th. This way you get better value out of the position you filled in the 6th.ADP can be useful to an extent.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

DD is an ideal tool to keep track of team needs, player pool and tier/dropoff value.

 

[Marvin88]

Like everything else, it's a tool. It lists the ADP too, so all you have to do is look at it and use your head.

Agreed. And in reality, if you are drafting against just one other person using DD (which I am in every league) then the pick DD gives you IS the best pick unless you make an agreement with that other DD person that if the ADP is at least two rd.'s away you both will lay off of that pick until then (but this is hard to do) - because otherwise you both know you have to grab that player now or the other guy will.

 

[Marvin88]

According to DD, Gates in the first round is the way to go!

Yea that's kind of annoying. But I have used the DD in all 6 of my drafts and it was quite useful. Nice to see the value on the board at every pick.

Not sure how it's annoying. DD is telling you value. And you KNOW Gates will not go in rd. 1 (in most drafts - of course, scoring system is critical here and if it shows Gates in the first then there is something "untraditional" about your league scoring system or starting requirements). So you can pick your spot to take Gates. And Gates in the 2nd is not always so outrageous. I have a league that rewards 1 pt. for receptions and 10 pt.'s for a receiving TD. Think Gates is overrated now?

 

[Bristol]

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

So you took a player at the same position who you have projected to score fewer points, and you think that was a value play?

Hasselbeck with outperform the draft position of 8th round. Not a doubt in my mind. Would I take him in the 6th? No way?The point differential between Roth and Hasselebeck was not that great and I would rather roll the dice with Hasselbeck (who has proved he can put up a big season in my scoring system), then Rothlisberger who has never put up a good season in my scoring system and is only "projected" to do so.

I misread your original post.You didn't modify the projections? If you are going to ignore projections then DD is useless to you, because the entire tool as based around what players are "projected" to do.If you just accepted the projections that came with DD then ignore them you are not using DD correctly either.

I agree with you. I use DD as a guide, not the end all be all. I don't modify the projections because, in general, I agree with them. There are instances where I disagree (Hass being one) and I make the selection based on other criteria (has he dropped, who is left that could be taken, position scarcity, etc). I am using this tool correctly, but with my own twist. In the league where 3 other people use the DD, I have won the last three titles, so I guess what I am doing is working.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

In the league where 3 other people use the DD, I have won the last three titles, so I guess what I am doing is working.

I thought you were just laughing about how some of the other people in your leagues misuse DD at the draft. Maybe your success is more a reflection of that.

 

[Bristol]

In the league where 3 other people use the DD, I have won the last three titles, so I guess what I am doing is working.

I thought you were just laughing about how some of the other people in your leagues misuse DD at the draft. Maybe your success is more a reflection of that.

EXACTLY!! Thank you for proving my point!

 

[Carl Ewert]

I do think a modification to the DD to allow for an ADP multiplier would be helpful.

Just like the 'need' multiplier adjusts the calculation of best value...the ADP multiplier would adjust the best value calculation based on how far ahead (or behind) the ADP is at the time the pick is made.

Someone with an ADP of 9.7 would be adjusted way down at the start of the draft...and gradually ratchet up as the draft progresses.

I think it's what most of us do mentally now....it just having the tool do it would be much more precise and allow me to drink more beer during the draft.

 

[j3r3m3y]

In the league where 3 other people use the DD, I have won the last three titles, so I guess what I am doing is working.

Correlation != causation. You may very well be winning your league but this does not mean you are using the tool correctly, it could just mean you aren't misusing it as much as they are.If two people are running from a bear, you don't have to be the fastest one to win, just not the slowest.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I do think a modification to the DD to allow for an ADP multiplier would be helpful.Just like the 'need' multiplier adjusts the calculation of best value...the ADP multiplier would adjust the best value calculation based on how far ahead (or behind) the ADP is at the time the pick is made. Someone with an ADP of 9.7 would be adjusted way down at the start of the draft...and gradually ratchet up as the draft progresses.I think it's what most of us do mentally now....it just having the tool do it would be much more precise and allow me to drink more beer during the draft.

I agree, make the tool as automated as possible. The more people find this site the more I am able to accurately predict their draft picks. IT would be even easier to do if they thought even less

 

[Lash]

also your personal tiers may show that one of those QBs or an equivalent will most certainly fall to the next round and so why pick the QB then, just wait and grab a BU RB or WR or TE

 

[Billy1x]

Heres a good example. Your next 3 rbs ranked fairly close:

RB1 - ADP 1.9 Your rank 3

RB2 - ADP 2.1 Your rank 1

RB3 - ADP 2.3 Your rank 2

You want two of them so you take RB1 and hope one of the two makes the turn. Worked for me a couple years ago. Using DD (with my predictions) would have left me with only RB2.

 

[GridironMenace]

I have a league that rewards 1 pt. for receptions and 10 pt.'s for a receiving TD. Think Gates is overrated now?

Umm, yes. Gates is always, always, always overrated unless your league provides enhanced position specific scoring for TE's only. If your league gives 1 ppr and 10 pts for TD's, then I would assume that same scoring system gets applied to WR's as well. And if that is the case then I would take a top 5 WR's every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Antonio Gates in the 2nd round. Not to rag on you to hard, but the sooner you realize this basic principle the better you will draft.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Heres a good example. Your next 3 rbs ranked fairly close:RB1 - ADP 1.9 Your rank 3RB2 - ADP 2.1 Your rank 1RB3 - ADP 2.3 Your rank 2You want two of them so you take RB1 and hope one of the two makes the turn. Worked for me a couple years ago. Using DD (with my predictions) would have left me with only RB2.

So having your 2nd and 3rd ranked RBs is better than having your 1st and 2nd ranked RBs? In your hypo, the only reasonable pick in the first round is RB2.

 

[CalBear]

I have a league that rewards 1 pt. for receptions and 10 pt.'s for a receiving TD. Think Gates is overrated now?

Umm, yes. Gates is always, always, always overrated unless your league provides enhanced position specific scoring for TE's only. If your league gives 1 ppr and 10 pts for TD's, then I would assume that same scoring system gets applied to WR's as well. And if that is the case then I would take a top 5 WR's every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Antonio Gates in the 2nd round. Not to rag on you to hard, but the sooner you realize this basic principle the better you will draft.

The basic principle is called VBD. You should look it up.

 

[mdog1967]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

Yeah i used it on a mock draft and noticed that it gives you a player but usually have better option at that ADP. I do however like that it does suggest a player for u.

Agreed. But, the player that it gives you is not always the best value pick. What happens if a player with a high ADP slides a couple of rounds and represents value even though he may not be the best player that DD recommends? That is where drafts are won and lost.IMO, people taking the pick recommended by DD are only ruining value.

By "High" ADP you mean a larger number, and by "low" you mean a smaller number right? 2.11 is a "higher" ADP than 1.3? Just want to make sure we are using the same terminology before I comment on this thread.

Yes. This happended the other day in one of my drafts. I needed a QB in the 8th round. When I looked at DD, it had Rothlisberger ranked as the highest QB with an ADP of 9.8. But, looking a couple places down from Rothlisberger was Hasselbeck with a ADP in the 6th round. If I went by the best player according to DD, I would be reaching for Rothlisberger, but instead I took the value pick in Hasselbeck.

You should take the best player according to you, not the best player according to draft dominator.

I use the DD for mock drafts just for the heck of it, I dont use it for drafting, and I dont pay attention to the ADP - I draft the players I'm gonna draft. I put players in tiers and take the top rated player in that tier. I'm Old fashioned - A paper cheat sheet and mark them off with a pencil. I draft RB, RB/WR1, WR, TE, QB, RB3/4 WR, WR QB2 and somtimes pass on the Defense and kickers I dont always draft that order but it will usually work out to some close proximity. Again I'm old fashioned any thing short of the Stud RB theory and its blasphemy to me. I love Football Guys, I used the Rankings once... never again exclusivly, there is just too much BS thrown in the tank here, DD is a great TOY. VBD is a horrid concept and in my league it is a great topic of conversation, gets many many ... not so positive remarks. Equates to Scientology of the FFBL world in my opinion.

 

[pghrob]

Like everything else, it's a tool. It lists the ADP too, so all you have to do is look at it and use your head.

I agree. But in a lot of the drafts I have been in where people are using DD, they are just taking the top player off the list or the best value pick. They pay no attention to ADP and will reach for players well ahead of their ADP which destroys their value. If you are in a league where people use DD, keep this in mind and use it to your benefit. It will be easy to see them doing it because you should both have the same scoring system put into the setup.

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but unless the user updated the ADP in DD to match ADP of drafts that have similar scoring, using ADP with a heavy weight in your decision may likely be erroneous if the ADP is not congruent to scoring. For instance, if there are PPR and bonus points for plays greater than 20 yards, that impacts heavily on certain WR's. If you are using ADP data from basic scoring leagues, yet your projections are set to the scoring of the league with a PPR and th ebonus for plays>20, then you are going to think WR's and other good pass catchers are going too early as compared to their ADP. So I say use ADP with caution, and do as the aforementioned poster above stated and think through your pick.

 

[pizzatyme]

In the league where 3 other people use the DD, I have won the last three titles, so I guess what I am doing is working.

Correlation != causation. You may very well be winning your league but this does not mean you are using the tool correctly, it could just mean you aren't misusing it as much as they are.If two people are running from a bear, you don't have to be the fastest one to win, just not the slowest.

While I agree with your premise, your example is flawed. For in a 2 person race, if you aren't the slowest, then you are the fastest!

 

[simsarge]

 

[JAA]

the best thing about DD is the ability to quickly see how many at each position someone currently has and the ability to easily look forward X number of players via overall or by position.

 

[Christo]

In the league where 3 other people use the DD, I have won the last three titles, so I guess what I am doing is working.

Correlation != causation. You may very well be winning your league but this does not mean you are using the tool correctly, it could just mean you aren't misusing it as much as they are.If two people are running from a bear, you don't have to be the fastest one to win, just not the slowest.

If two people are running and one is not the slowest, isn't he the fastest?

 

[davearm]

Heres a good example. Your next 3 rbs ranked fairly close:RB1 - ADP 1.9 Your rank 3RB2 - ADP 2.1 Your rank 1RB3 - ADP 2.3 Your rank 2You want two of them so you take RB1 and hope one of the two makes the turn. Worked for me a couple years ago. Using DD (with my predictions) would have left me with only RB2.

So having your 2nd and 3rd ranked RBs is better than having your 1st and 2nd ranked RBs? In your hypo, the only reasonable pick in the first round is RB2.

I believe what he was saying here was, his only chance to get two of the three guys he was targeting with his two picks was to take RB1 first, even though he had him ranked #3, because if he had taken RB2 first, then RB1 and RB3 would be gone by the time he picked again.Although unspoken, this approach has some merit if there's a big dropoff at RB after these three players, and getting two of the three is more critical than getting the best of the three. You'd have to be real confident that your read is right though, and/or that the VBD deltas are small.

 

[j3r3m3y]

In the league where 3 other people use the DD, I have won the last three titles, so I guess what I am doing is working.

Correlation != causation. You may very well be winning your league but this does not mean you are using the tool correctly, it could just mean you aren't misusing it as much as they are.If two people are running from a bear, you don't have to be the fastest one to win, just not the slowest.

If two people are running and one is not the slowest, isn't he the fastest?

Good point, I should have said 3. And by "win" I mean "stay alive".

 

[One]

I have a league that rewards 1 pt. for receptions and 10 pt.'s for a receiving TD. Think Gates is overrated now?

Umm, yes. Gates is always, always, always overrated unless your league provides enhanced position specific scoring for TE's only. If your league gives 1 ppr and 10 pts for TD's, then I would assume that same scoring system gets applied to WR's as well. And if that is the case then I would take a top 5 WR's every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Antonio Gates in the 2nd round. Not to rag on you to hard, but the sooner you realize this basic principle the better you will draft.

The basic principle is called VBD. You should look it up.

 

[Brewzers]

Heres a good example. Your next 3 rbs ranked fairly close:RB1 - ADP 1.9 Your rank 3RB2 - ADP 2.1 Your rank 1RB3 - ADP 2.3 Your rank 2You want two of them so you take RB1 and hope one of the two makes the turn. Worked for me a couple years ago. Using DD (with my predictions) would have left me with only RB2.

So having your 2nd and 3rd ranked RBs is better than having your 1st and 2nd ranked RBs? In your hypo, the only reasonable pick in the first round is RB2.

I believe what he was saying here was, his only chance to get two of the three guys he was targeting with his two picks was to take RB1 first, even though he had him ranked #3, because if he had taken RB2 first, then RB1 and RB3 would be gone by the time he picked again.Although unspoken, this approach has some merit if there's a big dropoff at RB after these three players, and getting two of the three is more critical than getting the best of the three. You'd have to be real confident that your read is right though, and/or that the VBD deltas are small.

I don't get this. How are the chances better that RB3 will make it back around by selecting RB1 instead of RB2?.

 

[Rogi]

I have been in a few drafts now where others have been using the Draft Dominator. It is almost comical to watch as they continue to take the player that is either at the top of the list or the best value pick. Because they do this, it makes things a lot easier because they are not paying attention to the ADP and just going by what the program tells them.

I used DD, but for the first few rounds I went with my gut and FBG projections, rather than the Best Pick recommendation from DD. In the middle and late rounds though, I relied more on its recommendations for the less obvious choices (WR4 & 5), but I didn't necessarily take the top recommendation. I'd look at the recommended position and pick one of the top 3 or 4 left at that position.Actually, one of the most useful features for me was the "Team Stats" window which shows what positions each team has drafted. I never bothered to track this in previous years, but I think I will for future drafts with DD, or pencil and paper if I'm not using DD.

 

[barndog]

Heres a good example. Your next 3 rbs ranked fairly close:RB1 - ADP 1.9 Your rank 3RB2 - ADP 2.1 Your rank 1RB3 - ADP 2.3 Your rank 2You want two of them so you take RB1 and hope one of the two makes the turn. Worked for me a couple years ago. Using DD (with my predictions) would have left me with only RB2.

So having your 2nd and 3rd ranked RBs is better than having your 1st and 2nd ranked RBs? In your hypo, the only reasonable pick in the first round is RB2.

I believe what he was saying here was, his only chance to get two of the three guys he was targeting with his two picks was to take RB1 first, even though he had him ranked #3, because if he had taken RB2 first, then RB1 and RB3 would be gone by the time he picked again.Although unspoken, this approach has some merit if there's a big dropoff at RB after these three players, and getting two of the three is more critical than getting the best of the three. You'd have to be real confident that your read is right though, and/or that the VBD deltas are small.

I don't get this. How are the chances better that RB3 will make it back around by selecting RB1 instead of RB2?.

I had the same issue. If you next pick after 2.03 and believe ADP reflects where they will go, you only can get 1 of them anyway. So take RB2 and see what happens.

 

[Gatorman]

Welcome to what I have been saying around here for 8 years. The DD is a nice tool, but it has its flaws like anything having to do with VBD, namely you have to be 100% on your predictions (both scoring and ADP) for this to be 100% effective.

I still like a good old fashion draft sheet with the dominator on as well so I can see what may be value.

I'd love to see a bare boned Dominator with AVT values as the scores and RB1, 2 etc as the markers. That way, I can follow a draft based on who is the best value traditionally with my draft sheet (and my rankings) in front of me for the actual name for that pick.

 

[davearm]

Heres a good example. Your next 3 rbs ranked fairly close:RB1 - ADP 1.9 Your rank 3RB2 - ADP 2.1 Your rank 1RB3 - ADP 2.3 Your rank 2You want two of them so you take RB1 and hope one of the two makes the turn. Worked for me a couple years ago. Using DD (with my predictions) would have left me with only RB2.

So having your 2nd and 3rd ranked RBs is better than having your 1st and 2nd ranked RBs? In your hypo, the only reasonable pick in the first round is RB2.

I believe what he was saying here was, his only chance to get two of the three guys he was targeting with his two picks was to take RB1 first, even though he had him ranked #3, because if he had taken RB2 first, then RB1 and RB3 would be gone by the time he picked again.Although unspoken, this approach has some merit if there's a big dropoff at RB after these three players, and getting two of the three is more critical than getting the best of the three. You'd have to be real confident that your read is right though, and/or that the VBD deltas are small.

I don't get this. How are the chances better that RB3 will make it back around by selecting RB1 instead of RB2?.

I had the same issue. If you next pick after 2.03 and believe ADP reflects where they will go, you only can get 1 of them anyway. So take RB2 and see what happens.

Well the guy could've laid out the example a little better, but what I think he was going for was a variant on the traditional scenario where you're one off of the turn and your BPA is a QB, but you take a RB instead because the turn guy already has a QB, so the QB-BPA will make it back to you.At least that's what I think he was going for.