How Many Teams Would Trade Their HC for Andy Reid? (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

I hear lots of this "Fire Andy Reid" talk. If NFL teams could wave the magic wand and swap their head coach for Andy Reid with no salary hits or hurt feelings (this is hypothetical after all) how many do you think would do it?

J

 

[kaso]

Oakland?

Ah, yup.

 

[PatsWillWin]

In no particular order...

1. Buffalo

2. Cleveland

3. Tennessee

4. Houston

5. Kansas City

6. Oakland

7. Washington

8. Green Bay

9. Detroit

10. Atlanta

11. Tampa Bay

12. St. Louis

13. Arizona

My opinion.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He really turned around that Eagles franchise and made them a consistent winner and favorite to win the NFC most years.

Before then, the Eagles had some good teams, but never seemed to make any noise in the playoffs.

The last couple years have been rough, but I can't see how most teams with bad track records the last decade would not want him.

He'd be better than at least half the coaches in the league.

 

[BigRed]

lol @ fire Andy Reid. O those brilliant Philadelphians.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Yes, they would trade

Green Bay

Minnesota

Detroit

St. Louis

Arizona

Buffalo

Cleveland

Houston

Tennessee

Oakland

On the fence

NY Giants

Washington

New Orleans

San Francisco

NY Jets

Baltimore

Cincinnati

Jacksonville

San Diego

Kansas City

No, they wouldn't trade

Dallas

Chicago

Carolina

Atlanta

Tampa

Seattle

New England

Miami

Pittsburgh

Indianapolis

Denver

 

[Lehigh98]

What makes Andy Reid such a desirable coach?

Pointing to the record is easy, I'm looking for more detailed answers.

 

[ATC1]

There is one team in particular I think he would do well.

I won't say, but Reid is what we thought he was!

 

[Family Matters]

Yes, they would tradeGreen BayMinnesotaDetroitSt. LouisArizonaBuffaloClevelandHoustonTennesseeOaklandOn the fenceNY GiantsWashingtonNew OrleansSan FranciscoNY JetsBaltimoreCincinnatiJacksonvilleSan DiegoKansas CityNo, they wouldn't tradeDallasChicagoCarolinaAtlantaTampaSeattleNew EnglandMiamiPittsburghIndianapolisDenver

Take Cinn off the fence IMO. Lewis has turned this team around with some suspect talent and tremendous number of injuries oh O and D. Granted, they have some amazing skill players and very good O linemen but the talent drops off on the D side of the ball. To be 5-5 with the number of injuries and schedule they've played is simply amazing IMO. And please don't give me the crazy player discussion because every team has them. Cinn does not have the market cornered on questionable characters. But the way Lewis has handled those challenges along with the injuries is nothing short of of amazing.Watch out because if they get healthy they will still be a playoff challenger.

 

[Jason Wood]

Many of my buddies are solidly in the Fire Andy Reid camp and I've vigorously defended him in the past. There aren't that many good, much less great, coaches in the league so to Joe's question, I would think at least a dozen teams would be glad to have him.

As an Eagles fan, that's not the question I really care about though.

The question I want asked is...would the Eagles benefit from firing Andy Reid?

Certainly the follow-up is...who are you hiring to replace him?

No one questions that Tony Dungy is a good coach or that he brought a winning foundation to Tampa Bay before his ouster. But it's hard to argue that dumping him for Gruden was a bad move. On the flip side, the Steelers struggled at times and many (myself included) argued that Cowher was getting long in the tooth and the Steelers might have needed a new voice. Then he goes and wins a Super Bowl.

Personally I think Reid is very safe. He's signed long term, still runs the franchise and the team is locking up its young players through 2011-2013. I would like to see him become better as self-assessment. Meaning, he needs to assert pressure on Jim Johnson to shake up his assistants, they need a change on special teams and, most importantly, Andy needs to consider handing over the play calling for the entire season, rather than for a half or two.

 

[BigTex]

Many of my buddies are solidly in the Fire Andy Reid camp and I've vigorously defended him in the past. There aren't that many good, much less great, coaches in the league so to Joe's question, I would think at least a dozen teams would be glad to have him.

As an Eagles fan, that's not the question I really care about though.

The question I want asked is...would the Eagles benefit from firing Andy Reid?

Certainly the follow-up is...who are you hiring to replace him?

No one questions that Tony Dungy is a good coach or that he brought a winning foundation to Tampa Bay before his ouster. But it's hard to argue that dumping him for Gruden was a bad move. On the flip side, the Steelers struggled at times and many (myself included) argued that Cowher was getting long in the tooth and the Steelers might have needed a new voice. Then he goes and wins a Super Bowl.

Personally I think Reid is very safe. He's signed long term, still runs the franchise and the team is locking up its young players through 2011-2013. I would like to see him become better as self-assessment. Meaning, he needs to assert pressure on Jim Johnson to shake up his assistants, they need a change on special teams and, most importantly, Andy needs to consider handing over the play calling for the entire season, rather than for a half or two.

JWood, I certainly mean no disrespect but I strongly disagree with this statement. Chucky took a team built by Dungy to the superbowl and I not too sure after Dungy's players left that Chucky has done all that well. Dungy took the laughing stock of the NFL twice and made them both respectable.twocents

P.S.

The Eagles IMHO would make a huge mistake if they let Andy go, he's a great coach and a class act.

 

[Jason Wood]

Many of my buddies are solidly in the Fire Andy Reid camp and I've vigorously defended him in the past. There aren't that many good, much less great, coaches in the league so to Joe's question, I would think at least a dozen teams would be glad to have him.

As an Eagles fan, that's not the question I really care about though.

The question I want asked is...would the Eagles benefit from firing Andy Reid?

Certainly the follow-up is...who are you hiring to replace him?

No one questions that Tony Dungy is a good coach or that he brought a winning foundation to Tampa Bay before his ouster. But it's hard to argue that dumping him for Gruden was a bad move. On the flip side, the Steelers struggled at times and many (myself included) argued that Cowher was getting long in the tooth and the Steelers might have needed a new voice. Then he goes and wins a Super Bowl.

Personally I think Reid is very safe. He's signed long term, still runs the franchise and the team is locking up its young players through 2011-2013. I would like to see him become better as self-assessment. Meaning, he needs to assert pressure on Jim Johnson to shake up his assistants, they need a change on special teams and, most importantly, Andy needs to consider handing over the play calling for the entire season, rather than for a half or two.

JWood, I certainly mean no disrespect but I strongly disagree with this statement. Chucky took a team built by Dungy to the superbowl and I not too sure after Dungy's players left that Chucky has done all that well. Dungy took the laughing stock of the NFL twice and made them both respectable.twocents

P.S.

The Eagles IMHO would make a huge mistake if they let Andy go, he's a great coach and a class act.

To be fair, this is all about whether you're a "Give me one Super Bowl and I'll deal with the other years" versus "Give me a winning team each year but never a title."As an Eagles fan, I can emphatically state that I would rather have one SB ring to speak to even if it meant a few years of mediocrity beyond that. And the Bucs fans I've spoken to echo similar sentiments.

 

[Boston]

As a non-Philly fan here's how I see Reid...

He's a good coach who's helping run a solid organization. Yet, he appears to have a fatal flaw that he won't adjust where his weakness is. I see that weakness as treating the running game as a second class citizen and committing too much to the pass. It seems painfully obvious as an outsider that the Eagles would really benefit if they could diversify their offensive attack to include being able to grind it more (it could also help the D in a big way as well). This past offseason I was really surprised that they didn't bring in a chain moving type of RB that could handle that type of role. Not a big money guy but a RB that could allow them to play a different style than they normally do when the opponent or game itself called for it. I just don't see how that would be anthing but a plus for them and make them more difficult to prepare for.

Reid seems like he's going to be a coach like Doug Moe or Mike Fratello. A good coach who can win his fair share of games but in the end will be limited by the inability to adjust and address an obvious weakness that good opponents can exploit.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Today I'd take Reid over any other coach in that division.

 

[redman]

Buffalo (Jauron): yes

NE (Belichick): no

NYJ (Mangini): no (it's too early and they're happy)

Miami (Saban): no (but ask again in a year)

Pittsburgh (Cowher): no (unless you factor in his apparent retirment plans)

Baltimore (Billick): no (because they're winning, but it's close)

Cleveland (Crennel): no (close one, though; their stars are on offense . . .)

Cinci (Lewis): no

Indy (Dungy): no (but if he loses again in the playoffs . . .)

Houston (Kubiak): no (it's too soon and we're seeing signs of progress)

Jax (Del Rio): no (but this year has been a let-down though)

Tennessee (Fisher): no (unless you assume he's not back next year)

San Diego (Schotty): no (different philosophies but same resume, and they're winning)

Denver (Shanahan): no

Oakland (Shell): yes

KC (Edwards): no (but I think Edwards is overrated; too soon though)

Giants (Coughlin): yes (I think he's wearing out his welcome - he needs to win at least one playoff game this year)

Eagles: N/A

Redskins (Gibbs): no

Cowboys (Parcells): no

Chicago (Smith): no

Minnesota (Childress): no (but it's early; he needs a QB)

Detroit (Marinelli): no (but only because it's early)

GB (McCarthy): no (but only because it's early)

Tampa (Gruden): yes (I think Gruden's act is wearing thin)

Carolina (Fox): no (but this year has been a big let down)

New Orleans (Payton): no (Payton's arguably the coach of the year)

Atlanta (Mora): yes (it seems like we've already seen the best from a Mora-coached Falcons team)

Arizona (Green): yes

St. Louis (Linehan): no (but it's early)

Seattle (Holmgren): no

San Francisco (Nolan): no (have they turned a corner?)

I count only six teams, but a big factor is that there are so many newly hired coaches out there who are still in their honeymoon period. The anticipated/suspected departures of Cowher, Fisher and Parcells during the offseason will of course open up other opportunities to the extent they do in fact depart.

 

[wharf rat]

Joe, I have one question.

If I take him on my team do I have to let him call the plays or can I turn that over to someone else with a better game plan.

 

[Islander]

Many of my buddies are solidly in the Fire Andy Reid camp and I've vigorously defended him in the past. There aren't that many good, much less great, coaches in the league so to Joe's question, I would think at least a dozen teams would be glad to have him.

As an Eagles fan, that's not the question I really care about though.

The question I want asked is...would the Eagles benefit from firing Andy Reid?

Certainly the follow-up is...who are you hiring to replace him?

No one questions that Tony Dungy is a good coach or that he brought a winning foundation to Tampa Bay before his ouster. But it's hard to argue that dumping him for Gruden was a bad move. On the flip side, the Steelers struggled at times and many (myself included) argued that Cowher was getting long in the tooth and the Steelers might have needed a new voice. Then he goes and wins a Super Bowl.

Personally I think Reid is very safe. He's signed long term, still runs the franchise and the team is locking up its young players through 2011-2013. I would like to see him become better as self-assessment. Meaning, he needs to assert pressure on Jim Johnson to shake up his assistants, they need a change on special teams and, most importantly, Andy needs to consider handing over the play calling for the entire season, rather than for a half or two.

JWood, I certainly mean no disrespect but I strongly disagree with this statement. Chucky took a team built by Dungy to the superbowl and I not too sure after Dungy's players left that Chucky has done all that well. Dungy took the laughing stock of the NFL twice and made them both respectable.twocents

P.S.

The Eagles IMHO would make a huge mistake if they let Andy go, he's a great coach and a class act.

One thing is sure: the Bucs won the SB after firing Dungy. One thing is not so sure: that the Bucs would have won the SB if they kept Dungy. So if Dungy is great at building teams, then ok, I want him to do it. But if he's not good at winning in the playoffs, then firing him once the team is built is a good move.

I used to think the same about Cowher but he won, so take my words with a grain of salt. However, the way the Steelers played in the SB, I am not sure he deserves much credit for that. He did have a very well prepared team for the Cincy, Indy, and Denver games - he gets my full credit for those three playoff games.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Reid seems like he's going to be a coach like Doug Moe or Mike Fratello. A good coach who can win his fair share of games but in the end will be limited by the inability to adjust and address an obvious weakness that good opponents can exploit.

In the past two years, he's reminded me eerily of Mike Martz: A coach who's more interested in doing things his way than in winning -- or at least is so convinced that his way is the way to win that he won't consider other approaches.

 

[NYRAGE]

Yes, they would tradeGreen BayMinnesotaDetroitSt. LouisArizonaBuffaloClevelandHoustonTennesseeOaklandOn the fenceNY GiantsWashingtonNew OrleansSan FranciscoNY JetsBaltimoreCincinnatiJacksonvilleSan DiegoKansas CityNo, they wouldn't tradeDallasChicagoCarolinaAtlantaTampaSeattleNew EnglandMiamiPittsburghIndianapolisDenver

No knock on Reid, but as a Jets fan, I would rather have Mangini. He's young and inexperienced, but I like what I see so far. I also think most of those on the fence teams would rather keep what they have.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think what a lot of people are not taking into consideration is that you aren't going to get just Andy Reid the Head Coach. You're going to have to take Andy Reid the General Manager and Andy Reid the Offensive Co-ordinator along with him. Honestly, I think that's one of the biggest problems with the Eagles. I think that Andy Reid would be much more effective as a GM if he wasn't also the HC and he'd be a much more effective HC if he wasn't the GM.

And I'm sorry, but without Donovan McNabb, Reid just doesn't look like half the coach he looks like with McNabb.

Don't get me wrong, Andy Reid can be a very good coach, but he has a huge ego like most other coaches in the league. He will NEVER admit that he is wrong on something. He has said approximately 5 billion times now that they need to run the ball more. And yet they pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. He is terrible at clock management and at using his timeouts effectively. He's also terrible at motivating his players. The word around Philly right now is that some of the more competitive players are grumbling about a lack of motivation on the team as a whole. Guys just aren't getting up for games. That's the head coaches fault.

If I were an Eagles fan I'd probably throwup everytime Andy Reid takes the blame for a loss and says that things need to change but then be forced to watch as they come out with the exact same gameplan and exact same game management every single week.

As a Buffalo fan, maybe I'm crazy, but I'd rather have **** Juaron than Andy Reid. Can you imagine a totally pass wacky offense in the Buffalo weather?

 

[culdeus]

I'd take him in Dallas. Right now.

 

[BigTex]

Many of my buddies are solidly in the Fire Andy Reid camp and I've vigorously defended him in the past. There aren't that many good, much less great, coaches in the league so to Joe's question, I would think at least a dozen teams would be glad to have him.

As an Eagles fan, that's not the question I really care about though.

The question I want asked is...would the Eagles benefit from firing Andy Reid?

Certainly the follow-up is...who are you hiring to replace him?

No one questions that Tony Dungy is a good coach or that he brought a winning foundation to Tampa Bay before his ouster. But it's hard to argue that dumping him for Gruden was a bad move. On the flip side, the Steelers struggled at times and many (myself included) argued that Cowher was getting long in the tooth and the Steelers might have needed a new voice. Then he goes and wins a Super Bowl.

Personally I think Reid is very safe. He's signed long term, still runs the franchise and the team is locking up its young players through 2011-2013. I would like to see him become better as self-assessment. Meaning, he needs to assert pressure on Jim Johnson to shake up his assistants, they need a change on special teams and, most importantly, Andy needs to consider handing over the play calling for the entire season, rather than for a half or two.

JWood, I certainly mean no disrespect but I strongly disagree with this statement. Chucky took a team built by Dungy to the superbowl and I not too sure after Dungy's players left that Chucky has done all that well. Dungy took the laughing stock of the NFL twice and made them both respectable.twocents

P.S.

The Eagles IMHO would make a huge mistake if they let Andy go, he's a great coach and a class act.

To be fair, this is all about whether you're a "Give me one Super Bowl and I'll deal with the other years" versus "Give me a winning team each year but never a title."As an Eagles fan, I can emphatically state that I would rather have one SB ring to speak to even if it meant a few years of mediocrity beyond that. And the Bucs fans I've spoken to echo similar sentiments.

True.

 

[lod2005]

Detroit would do a 3 for 1 sale.

Maranelli/Martz/Millen for Reid.

 

[Lehigh98]

What makes Andy Reid such a desirable coach?Pointing to the record is easy, I'm looking for more detailed answers.