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How many wins for the following teams (1 Viewer)

Who has more wins the rest of the season

  • Green Bay

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Chase Stuart

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I wrote up a statistical analysis of the Packers/Chargers chances, posted below. Let's please leave OUT discussion of whether A.J. Smith is an egomaniac, an idiot, or likes to steal children's toys. Let's focus just on how many wins you project for each team.

Starting strong

Green Bay looked terrific in the really simple ratings posted last week, and they continued to impress by beating the Vikings. Remember, the Packers were bad last season — Green Bay’s SRS score was -4.4. Of course, who cares what happened in 2006 now that the Packers are 4-0, right?

Well, maybe. From 1970-2006, ninety-eight teams started 4-0 in a season. Their average SRS rating the season before was +3.6, which is quite a bit better than -4.4. Knowing nothing else, we’d project a +3.6 team in Year N+1 to win 9.6 games, and a -4.4 team to win 6.0 games. Of those 98 teams, 27 of them had negative SRS ratings in the season before going 4-0, but only five of them had an SRS rating worse than the 2006 Green Bay Packers. Here are those five teams, along with their final record the year they went 4-0:

det 1980 -11.0 9 -7 -0atl 1986 - 8.9 7 -8 -1atl 2004 - 7.4 11 -5 -0nwe 1974 - 6.1 7 -7 -0ram 1995 - 5.3 7 -9 -0The 2004 Falcons got 15 starts out of Mike Vick, while he only started four games in 2003. Consider that in games Vick did not start Atlanta went 2-12 in 2003 and 0-1 in 2004, while going 3-1 in 2003 and 11-4 in 2004 in games that he did start. So the Falcons aren’t a good comparison to this Packers team. The 1995 Rams changed cities and coaches in the off-season, and had lost their last seven games in 1994. I don’t think they’re a good comparison, either, and the other three occurrences all happened over twenty years ago.It is a bit surprising, though, the relative lack of success from those teams (Vick’s Falcons notwithstanding). None of them played even .500 football after going 4-0. On the other hand, while not shown, the next six worst teams (ranked by SRS the previous year) all had double digit wins. The formula that best fits the data for 4-0 teams, to predict their final winning percentage, is 0.68 + 0.0085 * (Prior Year’s SRS score). That projects the Packers to win 10.3 games, while if they had a +3.6 SRS last year, they’d be projected to win 11.4 games. So if we know nothing else about the Green Bay Packers (change in talent, coaching, etc.), we might predict them to win one fewer game this year than your average 4-0 team, based on their poor performance in 2006.

Throw in the towel?

Conversely, San Diego (+10.2 SRS score in 2006) and Chicago (+7.9) were two of the top four teams in the NFL last year. But this past Sunday, both teams suffered their third loss of September! From 1970-2006, 246 teams started off 1-3, like this year’s Chargers and Bears. The average SRS rating of those teams in the prior season was -1.92, making the Chargers and Bears dissimilar from them. In fact, only four 1-3 teams had a better SRS in Year N-1 than the Chargers (and six more had a better rating than the Bears). How did those teams do?

pit 1976 14.2 10-4-0dal 1974 12.8 8-6-0nyj 1999 11.2 8-8-0clt 1972 10.4 5-9-0dal 1996 9.7 10-6-0phi 1982 8.7 3-6-0oti 2001 8.3 7-9-0kan 2004 8.3 7-9-0gnb 2004 8.1 10-6-0buf 2005 8.1 5-11-0That ‘76 Steelers team would go on to post the third highest SRS rating for any team ever, although injuries hampered Pittsburgh in the playoffs. Like the current Chargers, they had a brutal early schedule, facing an eventual 1-loss, 2-loss and 3-loss team in the first four weeks. The 1996 Cowboys were without Michael Irvin for the first five games, and would go 8-4 with him. The 2004 Packers simply started slow, and can’t blame injuries or a particularly tough schedule for their 1-3 record. Outside of those three teams, none of the other squads would have a successful season.The Bears are riddled with injuries now, and can’t have much hope at 1-3 and huge QB worries. The Chargers? The best-fit formula for the 1-3 teams to predict final winning percentage is 0.40 + 0.0052. That formula still only projects the Chargers to win 7.2 games this year, indicating that a 1-3 record is nothing to sneeze at. They can always point to what the Steelers did 31 years ago, but Chargers fans should certainly be worried about this start.
BTW, for those who haven't heard of the SRS or know what it means, here's the one sentence answer. The Packers -4.4 score last year means that, if GB played a league average team, you'd expect them to lose by 4.4 points (based on how many points they won/lost every game last year, adjusted for strength of schedule); the Chargers would have beaten the league average team by 10.2 points last year.
 
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Remaining Schedules for each team:Packers:

5 Sun, Oct 7 Chicago Tickets NBC 8:15 PM 6 Sun, Oct 14 Washington Tickets FOX 1:00 PM 7 BYE WEEK 8 Mon, Oct 29 at Denver Tickets ESPN 8:30 PM 9 Sun, Nov 4 at Kansas City Tickets FOX 1:00 PM 10 Sun, Nov 11 Minnesota Tickets FOX 1:00 PM 11 Sun, Nov 18 Carolina Tickets FOX 1:00 PM 12 Thu, Nov 22 at Detroit Tickets FOX 12:30 PM 13 Thu, Nov 29 at Dallas Tickets NFL 8:15 PM 14 Sun, Dec 9 Oakland Tickets CBS 1:00 PM 15 Sun, Dec 16 at St. Louis Tickets FOX 1:00 PM 16 Sun, Dec 23 at Chicago Tickets FOX 1:00 PM 17 Sun, Dec 30 Detroit Tickets FOX 1:00 PM
Chargers:
5 Sun, Oct 7 at Denver Tickets CBS 4:15 PM 6 Sun, Oct 14 Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM 7 BYE WEEK 8 Sun, Oct 28 Houston Tickets CBS 4:05 PM 9 Sun, Nov 4 at Minnesota Tickets CBS 1:00 PM 10 Sun, Nov 11 Indianapolis Tickets NBC 8:15 PM 11 Sun, Nov 18 at Jacksonville Tickets CBS 1:00 PM 12 Sun, Nov 25 Baltimore Tickets CBS 4:15 PM 13 Sun, Dec 2 at Kansas City Tickets CBS 1:00 PM 14 Sun, Dec 9 at Tennessee Tickets CBS 1:00 PM 15 Sun, Dec 16 Detroit Tickets FOX 4:15 PM 16 Mon, Dec 24 Denver Tickets ESPN 8:00 PM 17 Sun, Dec 30 at Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM
 
Interesting that past results indicate both teams are likely to have the same record for the rest of the season. Looks like being 4-0 coming off a bad year projects about the same as being 1-3 off an excellent year, which is a little surprising. If anything, I think the Chargers might be underprojected by this formula since they haven't lost many players do to injury (I'd imagine lots of 1-3 teams that started badly had injury problems). When the '99 Jets and '99 Broncos started miserably after meeting in the AFCG, both teams had lost their team MVPs after four games. But the Chargers have their studs healthy.

 
What strikes me is the Packers' schedule. They play one "elite" team (Dallas) - two "terrible" teams (@STL, Min), and the rest of the teams are either "OK", "Mediocre", or "Thought they were bad, but maybe just mediocre." Even with the Packers' lack of a running game, it is very easy to see double-digit wins even if/when they tail-off a bit.

 
The Chargers' schedule is similar, but a little diffferent. They play one bad team (@ Minnesota), one "elite" team (Indy - who they've done well against in the past), and the rest of the teams are "OK" to "Decent." How it compares to the Packers' schedule is basically determined by how strong the AFC South really is (especially road games @Jax and @Tenn) - which we don't really know yet.

 
Who has more wins the rest of the season

Green Bay [ 12 ] ** [75.00%]

Chargers [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]

Tie [ 3 ] ** [18.75%]

Interesting results, considering historical data put them at even odds.

 
Who has more wins the rest of the seasonGreen Bay [ 12 ] ** [75.00%]Chargers [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]Tie [ 3 ] ** [18.75%]Interesting results, considering historical data put them at even odds.
maybe that means most people aren't able to comprehend the statistical analysis. or they think "i can do a better job than some studid model".
 
Remaining Schedules for each team:

Packers:

5 Sun, Oct 7 Chicago Tickets NBC 8:15 PM loss

6 Sun, Oct 14 Washington Tickets FOX 1:00 PM win

7 BYE WEEK

8 Mon, Oct 29 at Denver Tickets ESPN 8:30 PM loss

9 Sun, Nov 4 at Kansas City Tickets FOX 1:00 PM loss

10 Sun, Nov 11 Minnesota Tickets FOX 1:00 PM win

11 Sun, Nov 18 Carolina Tickets FOX 1:00 PM win

12 Thu, Nov 22 at Detroit Tickets FOX 12:30 PM loss

13 Thu, Nov 29 at Dallas Tickets NFL 8:15 PM loss

14 Sun, Dec 9 Oakland Tickets CBS 1:00 PM win

15 Sun, Dec 16 at St. Louis Tickets FOX 1:00 PM loss

16 Sun, Dec 23 at Chicago Tickets FOX 1:00 PM loss

17 Sun, Dec 30 Detroit Tickets FOX 1:00 PM win
Chargers:
5 Sun, Oct 7 at Denver Tickets CBS 4:15 PM win

6 Sun, Oct 14 Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM win

7 BYE WEEK

8 Sun, Oct 28 Houston Tickets CBS 4:05 PM win

9 Sun, Nov 4 at Minnesota Tickets CBS 1:00 PM win

10 Sun, Nov 11 Indianapolis Tickets NBC 8:15 PM loss

11 Sun, Nov 18 at Jacksonville Tickets CBS 1:00 PM loss

12 Sun, Nov 25 Baltimore Tickets CBS 4:15 PM win

13 Sun, Dec 2 at Kansas City Tickets CBS 1:00 PM win

14 Sun, Dec 9 at Tennessee Tickets CBS 1:00 PM loss

15 Sun, Dec 16 Detroit Tickets FOX 4:15 PM win

16 Mon, Dec 24 Denver Tickets ESPN 8:00 PM win

17 Sun, Dec 30 at Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM win
There sure are a lot of teams named the Tickets these days.See above for my guess as to wins/losses the rest of the way. That puts the Packers at 9-7 with 5-7 the rest of the way and the Chargers at 10-6 with 9-3 the rest of the way.

 
Remaining Schedules for each team:

Packers:

5 Sun, Oct 7 Chicago Tickets NBC 8:15 PM Win

6 Sun, Oct 14 Washington Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Loss

7 BYE WEEK

8 Mon, Oct 29 at Denver Tickets ESPN 8:30 PM Loss

9 Sun, Nov 4 at Kansas City Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Loss

10 Sun, Nov 11 Minnesota Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

11 Sun, Nov 18 Carolina Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

12 Thu, Nov 22 at Detroit Tickets FOX 12:30 PM Loss

13 Thu, Nov 29 at Dallas Tickets NFL 8:15 PM Loss

14 Sun, Dec 9 Oakland Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Win

15 Sun, Dec 16 at St. Louis Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

16 Sun, Dec 23 at Chicago Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Loss

17 Sun, Dec 30 Detroit Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win
Chargers:
5 Sun, Oct 7 at Denver Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Loss

6 Sun, Oct 14 Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win

7 BYE WEEK

8 Sun, Oct 28 Houston Tickets CBS 4:05 PM Loss

9 Sun, Nov 4 at Minnesota Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

10 Sun, Nov 11 Indianapolis Tickets NBC 8:15 PM Loss

11 Sun, Nov 18 at Jacksonville Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

12 Sun, Nov 25 Baltimore Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win

13 Sun, Dec 2 at Kansas City Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

14 Sun, Dec 9 at Tennessee Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

15 Sun, Dec 16 Detroit Tickets FOX 4:15 PM Win

16 Mon, Dec 24 Denver Tickets ESPN 8:00 PM Win

17 Sun, Dec 30 at Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win
So I guess I have GB going 6-6 the rest of the way to finish 10-6. I have SD going 5-7 over the last 10 to get them a 6-10 record.
 
Packers:

12-4

5 Sun, Oct 7 Chicago Tickets NBC 8:15 PM Win

6 Sun, Oct 14 Washington Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

7 BYE WEEK

8 Mon, Oct 29 at Denver Tickets ESPN 8:30 PM Loss

9 Sun, Nov 4 at Kansas City Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Loss

10 Sun, Nov 11 Minnesota Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

11 Sun, Nov 18 Carolina Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

12 Thu, Nov 22 at Detroit Tickets FOX 12:30 PM Win

13 Thu, Nov 29 at Dallas Tickets NFL 8:15 PM Loss

14 Sun, Dec 9 Oakland Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Win

15 Sun, Dec 16 at St. Louis Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

16 Sun, Dec 23 at Chicago Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Loss

17 Sun, Dec 30 Detroit Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

Chargers:

9-7

5 Sun, Oct 7 at Denver Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Loss

6 Sun, Oct 14 Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win

7 BYE WEEK

8 Sun, Oct 28 Houston Tickets CBS 4:05 PM Win

9 Sun, Nov 4 at Minnesota Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

10 Sun, Nov 11 Indianapolis Tickets NBC 8:15 PM Loss

11 Sun, Nov 18 at Jacksonville Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Win

12 Sun, Nov 25 Baltimore Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win

13 Sun, Dec 2 at Kansas City Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

14 Sun, Dec 9 at Tennessee Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Win

15 Sun, Dec 16 Detroit Tickets FOX 4:15 PM Win

16 Mon, Dec 24 Denver Tickets ESPN 8:00 PM Win

17 Sun, Dec 30 at Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win

 
Remaining Schedules for each team:

Packers:

5 Sun, Oct 7 Chicago Tickets NBC 8:15 PM Win

6 Sun, Oct 14 Washington Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Loss

7 BYE WEEK

8 Mon, Oct 29 at Denver Tickets ESPN 8:30 PM Loss

9 Sun, Nov 4 at Kansas City Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Loss

10 Sun, Nov 11 Minnesota Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

11 Sun, Nov 18 Carolina Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

12 Thu, Nov 22 at Detroit Tickets FOX 12:30 PM Loss

13 Thu, Nov 29 at Dallas Tickets NFL 8:15 PM Loss

14 Sun, Dec 9 Oakland Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Win

15 Sun, Dec 16 at St. Louis Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win

16 Sun, Dec 23 at Chicago Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Loss

17 Sun, Dec 30 Detroit Tickets FOX 1:00 PM Win
Chargers:
5 Sun, Oct 7 at Denver Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Loss

6 Sun, Oct 14 Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win

7 BYE WEEK

8 Sun, Oct 28 Houston Tickets CBS 4:05 PM Loss

9 Sun, Nov 4 at Minnesota Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

10 Sun, Nov 11 Indianapolis Tickets NBC 8:15 PM Loss

11 Sun, Nov 18 at Jacksonville Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

12 Sun, Nov 25 Baltimore Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win

13 Sun, Dec 2 at Kansas City Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

14 Sun, Dec 9 at Tennessee Tickets CBS 1:00 PM Loss

15 Sun, Dec 16 Detroit Tickets FOX 4:15 PM Win

16 Mon, Dec 24 Denver Tickets ESPN 8:00 PM Win

17 Sun, Dec 30 at Oakland Tickets CBS 4:15 PM Win
So I guess I have GB going 6-6 the rest of the way to finish 10-6. I have SD going 5-7 over the last 10 to get them a 6-10 record.
:goodposting: for posterity, including the Houston, Minnesota, and Tennessee predicted victories over the San Diego.
 
Who has more wins the rest of the seasonGreen Bay [ 12 ] ** [75.00%]Chargers [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]Tie [ 3 ] ** [18.75%]Interesting results, considering historical data put them at even odds.
Not surprising, considering the overreaction that goes on in the Shark Pool this time of the year.
 

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