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How much credit do you give FBG's..... (1 Viewer)

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Rubi

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..for any success you've had with your fantasy football teams in the last few years? Could you have not won anything without them? Could you have won what you did regardless of their info? Do you give them all the credit for winning? Some of the credit? Curious.

 
Personally, I give them a lot of the credit. I don't have the time to do a ton of scouting, watch every game, etc, so I depend on FBG to inform my opinions on draft choices, waiver wire moves, etc. I have found them to be the best resource of the fantasy "experts" out there.

Example: last year I snagged Crowell at the end of my rookie draft in a couple of dynasty leagues--he's obviously far outperformed that draft position. Would not have known about him except for FBG.

 
All of my good decisions/wins are because of my own personal insight.

All of my bad decisions/losses are thanks to FBG's advice.

 
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A good bit especially in Dyno, I used to be all over a couple other sites until I found this forum and now I exclusively use this place for advice. Love the podcasts during workouts.

 
This forum for deep dynasty players. I made the mistake early in my dynasty career of trading away 1st round picks for vets so for several years I didn't have ammo early in rookie drafts. Kept my team afloat by late round sleepers and ww pickups.

 
thunderguns said:
Personally, I give them a lot of the credit. I don't have the time to do a ton of scouting, watch every game, etc, so I depend on FBG to inform my opinions on draft choices, waiver wire moves, etc. I have found them to be the best resource of the fantasy "experts" out there.

Example: last year I snagged Crowell at the end of my rookie draft in a couple of dynasty leagues--he's obviously far outperformed that draft position. Would not have known about him except for FBG.
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I'd say the same. FBGs helps me see things I'd usually wouldn't see. I wasn't a talent evaluator, scout, or all round good fantasy player (i'd like to think the latter I've become better at) but studying articles from FBGs has helped me understand the game better and understand trends in fantasy drafts, Waiver Wire pick ups, line up decisions, etc. To me that's very much worth $30 bucks.

 
I'd say a good amount. This will be my 3rd season using FBGs. The last 2 seasons, of my 4 re-draft leagues I'm in, I've won 5 titles combined. Not that I was bad before using FBGs, but their analysis and insight is 2nd to none IMO. Being able to use My FBGs for lineup decisions and trade ideas is awesome.

 
MattFancy said:
I'd say a good amount. This will be my 3rd season using FBGs. The last 2 seasons, of my 4 re-draft leagues I'm in, I've won 5 titles combined. Not that I was bad before using FBGs, but their analysis and insight is 2nd to none IMO. Being able to use My FBGs for lineup decisions and trade ideas is awesome.
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I agree with you about the "My FBG's" section.

 
Rubi said:
MattFancy said:
I'd say a good amount. This will be my 3rd season using FBGs. The last 2 seasons, of my 4 re-draft leagues I'm in, I've won 5 titles combined. Not that I was bad before using FBGs, but their analysis and insight is 2nd to none IMO. Being able to use My FBGs for lineup decisions and trade ideas is awesome.
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I agree with you about the "My FBG's" section.
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The My FBGs section itself is worth the cost

 
As a high-stakes player, I give FBGs tons of credit. I've won over $15K the last 2 years net and between news, emails updates, articles, and this forum, it's more info than I could assemble elsewhere.

Honestly, besides all of that, the Subscribers contest is worth the subscription alone.

 
pizzatyme said:
As a high-stakes player, I give FBGs tons of credit. I've won over $15K the last 2 years net and between news, emails updates, articles, and this forum, it's more info than I could assemble elsewhere.

Honestly, besides all of that, the Subscribers contest is worth the subscription alone.
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Not to threadjack, but how is the level of competition as you move up to high stakes? Is it like poker where you have the same allocation of sharks to guppies, just with bigger bank accounts?

 
Rubi said:
..for any success you've had with your fantasy football teams in the last few years? Could you have not won anything without them? Could you have won what you did regardless of their info? Do you give them all the credit for winning? Some of the credit? Curious.
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Everyone I play with knows about and uses this place, especially IDP. I don't use it as a secret source of knowledge.

 
10%. If we are just talking opinions/rankings and not news blogging.

I get about 5% from forum posters and 5% from staff. These people just give me little notable tidbits along the way. They help me see (not overlook) a couple nice components every year.

 
Uncle Grandpa said:
pizzatyme said:
As a high-stakes player, I give FBGs tons of credit. I've won over $15K the last 2 years net and between news, emails updates, articles, and this forum, it's more info than I could assemble elsewhere.

Honestly, besides all of that, the Subscribers contest is worth the subscription alone.
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Not to threadjack, but how is the level of competition as you move up to high stakes? Is it like poker where you have the same allocation of sharks to guppies, just with bigger bank accounts?
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Each league is different, but in my experience, I'd put it something like this:

Shark/Guppie Ratio (Assuming 12 teams)

Yahoo-type leagues 2/10

$100 leagues 4/8

$500 leagues 7/5

$1200+ leagues 9/3

YMMV

 
While I agree that this place is well known, it doesn't mean all players use it to its fullest.

My suggestion is to make a list of board members who give objective input, local homers, etc. Add to it, the articles, podcasts, round table discussions, etc. and then make your adjustments based on your personal gut feelings.

And by all means, get a subscription for nothing more than the Draft Dominator and Subscriber contest. It's a steal.

 
I think it highly depends on what your skill level is as to how much you can attribute to FBG's helping you to do well in your leagues. I found this site when I first started playing and it probably helped me in the 80% range then because I was playing with mostly guppies anyway. So, in that regard, it also depends on the skill level of your opponents. It also depends on how much time you invest in researching other sources, or if you don't really have the time and just rely on FBG's solely for your information. For me, 7 yrs later, FBG's is just another really good tool....and that's including the info you can glean from the Shark Pool. But there are so many other sources of information available, including just watching a lot of games, which I have the opportunity to do......I've had NFL Sunday Ticker from day one and also have a wife who's into football. A lot of people can't have that. But there are just so many variables. I can see how FBG's could be a 100% for some and a 10% for others.

 
I never use any of the stuff on the actual site. Once the season starts I pretty much check out until after the season is done. The forums and the podcasts are great for challenging my stances on players and digging up new players. The forums and the podcast are so valuable, that I felt obligated to get the subscription.

I would say FBG gives me a 20% booster. As an example, in my league with all close friends I went from being from one of the top contenders every year to the favorite.

As a testament to the Shark Pool, I don't think anyone here considers winning your local league a big deal. I would expect most of the people in here to be in the same or better in their local leagues.

***Side note: What happened to having a thread up before the podcasts? I really liked when they pulled questions and topics. It's the biggest reason I know who 5ish is.

 
Very little other than a reference to see what a lot of other people use to evaluate different players/situations. Every once in a while they might remind me of a player I haven't paid as much attention to as some others.

 
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The biggest advantage that being a subscriber gives to me is just an immense time savings, which with small kids at home is necessary. I've been a subscriber for a long time, but the advent of the MyFBG page has truly been revolutionary for my usage of this site. Particularly during the season.

 
Mentioned earlier, the MyFBG feature with the 10 second whatchamacallit (sorry I haven't managed a team in awhile) is an awesome tool. I don't have as much time to research and read the blog and I get caught up quickly with that tool. Just have to log in, see who's in blue, drill down for recent comments, maybe do a search of my waiver wire targets. Then I put in my waiver wire priorities and relax. Next morning, I get my guy. It's allowed me to enjoy the hobby more without dedicating crazy hours midweek to it. And the results have put my teams consistently vying for championships.

 
The main credit I give to FBGs is to the forum and all you guys (and gals) that post. Whether we totally agree and it helps justify my thoughts or we argue like cats and dogs and it makes me see the other perspective, its the interaction with other posters that I think I benefit the most.

The staff are appreciated for their organizing and compiling of information and they are really good at the long range stuff, but honestly, I rarely look at any of their lists and see something that is much different at all from most main streamers. Nine times out of ten, if there is a nugget to be mined (a Romo before anyone knew...a Foster..a Victor Cruz), it comes from the community before I ever see it from a ranking list.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
I used there mock draft app last year and it was great.
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I used that app a lot last year too, and the functionality was pretty great. But I thought the actual projections were pretty far off, compared to previous years.

 
The messageboard is free. Best info gathering source due to the volume of posters. Loads of opinions over just a few. Just can't know everything about every player.

Don't subscribe currently (roller coaster of life reasons), but have have in the past. Mainly used for 2 reasons:

1. subscriber contest

2. counter intel against league owners that like to use cheatsheets

Would I recommend? Sure, mainly due to #2 above. ;)

 
FBG gets some credit from me for scouting rookies, but not for philosophy in drafting. I find it interesting how advice is normally to grab an offensive player with a small chance of success over a defensive player with a good chance of success. Rookie draft picks are precious and I feel like FBG would have me playing slots with them instead of betting the pass line on the craps table.

 
Borden said:
***Side note: What happened to having a thread up before the podcasts? I really liked when they pulled questions and topics. It's the biggest reason I know who 5ish is.
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I'm probably wrong about this but I think Cecil and Sigmund start posting those closer to draft season and always during the regular season. But I am not sure.

 
For $30, I feel like I get my value for FBG. Here are the items I feel are worth the cost:

  1. Subscriber contest. Love it.
  2. DraftDominator. Just a good tool for organizing and keeping track in the draft. I have made so many tweaks to the way I draft, but more importantly the tool is flexible enough to handle the way I tweak projections, baselines, SOS, etc.
  3. MyFBG during the season is excellent. Quick glance and go. Then using the Top 200 forward for ideas.
  4. Player spotlight threads.
I've been here since the days of blackeyejoe. I don't know what it that, 14-15 years now? Crazy. Needless to say, early on when there weren't many sites like this, it was instant domination. Now adays, it's a great tool to give you another perspective. Can you say 100% of success is from FBG, no, but it certainly is a contributor and for $30 dollars, you get a lot of differing views, toolsets, etc.

I also think the Sharkpool is one of the best community boards. Being that I have been around forever on here, I feel like $30 is worth the community board as well, even though it is free. I would donate anyway just to keep this place going.

 
Saint said:
Can you say 100% of success is from FBG, no, but it certainly is a contributor and for $30 dollars, you get a lot of differing views, toolsets, etc.
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I can honestly say that 100% of my success that is not attributable to luck can be attributed to FBGs staff.

 
I give the posters credit (the ones I actually think are worth more than pile of poo)

I have never looked at any of the sites ranking or anything

 
In my long running friends and family league, I think FBG (Shark Pool) deserves about 25% credit because it provides information that most guppies and super casual players do not get. It's hard to really put a number on that because if you are active on FF twitter pretty much all that info is there. So 25% might be on the high side as far as the FBG brand goes.

In most other leagues where I'm playing in I give FBG about 25% credit because it provides me the analysis that most are basing their evaluations on. It is a great 'vanilla' for most seasoned players who aren't developing their own analytic or evaluation process. When ever I read a blurb, forum discussion, or article that is counter to my own analysis I pounce. That for me is the biggest value of FBGs.

i'd also give Waldman another 5-10% due for his RSP, but that is its own entity. I absolutely hate when RSP conclusions vary from my own analysis, but my **** do I love when it is aligned.

 
After reading through this thread I decided to get a membership. I mean, why the heck not? It's price is discounted right now and you get into a money league, plus you get all the other stuff. So far I'm think it's worth it just for the early stat projections. I love how I just put my league's scoring in and they automatically figured out the projected score for me. You know how long that takes to do manually?

 
Hawkeye21 said:
After reading through this thread I decided to get a membership. I mean, why the heck not? It's price is discounted right now and you get into a money league, plus you get all the other stuff. So far I'm think it's worth it just for the early stat projections. I love how I just put my league's scoring in and they automatically figured out the projected score for me. You know how long that takes to do manually?
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FINDERS FEE! :P

 
Maybe this is on me, but I get very little value from the writers/rankers of FBG. I do get tons of value from the shark pool, though.

 
IHEARTFF said:
Maybe this is on me, but I get very little value from the writers/rankers of FBG. I do get tons of value from the shark pool, though.
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I only get value from the ones that take the time to explain their rankings.

I do agree with those about MyFBG. The amount of time that can save me just for weekly waivers is worth the cost for me.

 
Great resource for me. Such a time saver to have much of what I look for in one site. Just a few of the significant benefits that I find helpful in no particular order:

Weekly game recaps - observations about players performance in each game

My FBG - news items, projections, etc.. very helpful summary and customizable to league scoring

Top 200 forward - helps provide trade value rankings

Dynasty rankings - same as above for keeper/dynasty

Podcasts - great listening during workout/walks, good info

Draft dominator - very helpful to run mocks, customize to league

Shark pool - spent way to many nights reading too late when should be in bed, but great info

Waiver wire priorities

News blogger

Norton IDP comments

Various faceoffs/spotlights

In depth position articles

Waldman RSP - separate purchase. Good info to download and save, even several years later when considering a player for trade.

Quick check for depth charts, etc

Bramel injury analysis

Not so much....

Upgrades/Downgrades weekly - seems too obvious. Most every good weekly performance gets an upgrade, and a down week gets a downgrade. I guess it helps to point out good/bad weeks, but one week does not necessarily mean anything more than one week.

More data than I could ever use, but I guess that's not really a negative, just don't have the time to dig that deep but for those that do I'm sure it's appreciated.

Other minor negatives can't recall now b/c we're not in season, but not major.

Overall, absolutely worth the price without question for me.

 
Love the Shark Pool, I do really wish I had discovered this place a few years earlier back when it likely would have been a bigger advantage as FBG's wasn't as well known. But these days I'm guessing 90+ percent of fantasy football players who play in money leagues subscribe to Joe Bryant's daliy emails and check out one of the popular message boards(Shark Pool, Rotoworld, etc).

 
The Shark Pool is the only real resource I use and it's the best around IMO.

I don't pay for anything. I don't see any value in it.

 
jurb26 said:
The Shark Pool is the only real resource I use and it's the best around IMO.

I don't pay for anything. I don't see any value in it.
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Doesn't the entry into the contest make it worth while alone? Most decent contests cost $50 and you can't win as much.

To me it's a cheap entry into a contest that happens to include a ton of great extras.

 
jurb26 said:
The Shark Pool is the only real resource I use and it's the best around IMO.

I don't pay for anything. I don't see any value in it.
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Jurb, I respect your position but I do have a few questions:

Do you mock draft? If so, is it customizable to your league? (The Draft Dominator is the best tool I've ever come across)

Would you not enjoy the Subscriber contest? (It's a blast for me)

Do you not feel any obligation to give back to the provider of the forum to which you call the best around? I mean if everyone felt the same as you here, there'd be no shark pool as the site doesn't fund itself.

Not trying to single you out in any way, just trying to counter some of the non-paying customers reasoning for not subscribing.

I enjoy your posts and consider them as part of the reason I subscribe BTW. Cheers!

 
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jurb26 said:
The Shark Pool is the only real resource I use and it's the best around IMO.

I don't pay for anything. I don't see any value in it.
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Jurb, I respect your position but I do have a few questions:

Do you mock draft? If so, is it customizable to your league? (The Draft Dominator is the best tool I've ever come across)

Would you not enjoy the Subscriber contest? (It's a blast for me)

Do you not feel any obligation to give back to the provider of the forum to which you call the best around? I mean if everyone felt the same as you here, there'd be no shark pool as the site doesn't fund itself.

Not trying to single you out in any way, just trying to counter some of the non-paying customers reasoning for not subscribing.

I enjoy your posts and consider them as part of the reason I subscribe BTW. Cheers!
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This is a big reason I re-up every year. I do appreciate the insider articles and the matchup e-mails to factor into start decisions, but I find the overall enjoyment I get from FBG (which includes the shark pool and FFA) to be worth the money.

 
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None. #1. I honestly can't think of something that eats at me more than if I screwed up and made a bad decision due to listening to someone else's opinion. If I screw myself, it's because of me alone. #2. I've gotten some really awful trade advice on here where I went against the popular opinion, and I cashed out on it big time. That further supports #1 for me personally.

 
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