How Much $$ did Eric Kaselius (sp?) bet on NE? (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Listening to ESPN radio on the way home. It's comical how Kaselius is going on and on about how New England gave the game away. I didn't listen Friday but I'm sure he's backpedaling on his picks.I love it how your team "gave it away" when you lose but you "earn" it when you win The other thing that was cracking me up is the "if the Patriots play like they normally play, they win that game every time". If the Super Bowl champions continue to play like the Super Bowl Champions, they'll win. Go out on a limb there Guy. Too funny.J

 

[pinequick]

Listening to ESPN radio on the way home. It's comical how Kaselius is going on and on about how New England gave the game away. I didn't listen Friday but I'm sure he's backpedaling on his picks.

I love it how your team "gave it away" when you lose but you "earn" it when you win

The other thing that was cracking me up is the "if the Patriots play like they normally play, they win that game every time". If the Super Bowl champions continue to play like the Super Bowl Champions, they'll win. Go out on a limb there Guy. Too funny.

J

I heard and was thinking the same thing--he was talking out of both sides of his mouth. "New England gave that game away. They made mistakes that they just don't ever make." Oh, and "But I'm not saying that Denver was lucky."So which is it?

 

[Incogneto]

Kaselius is almost un-listenable for crap like this. Joe, do yourself a favor and turn it off...

 

[Double_J]

The 3 horrible calls completely changed the way that game was played. The pylon was knocked over and the ball thrown forward, how conclusive does the video have to be? The Lelie pass interference call was just laughable. Without those calls, Denver doesn't score a touchdown until the Brown fumble late in the game which gave them the ball in the red zone as well. Not to mention the last interception by Lynch was laughable as well since the receiver was tackled and not given a chance to even get to the ball. I don't have a dog in this fight, not a fan of either team. That game was given to Denver though by the refs' bad calls.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Kaselius is almost un-listenable for crap like this. Joe, do yourself a favor and turn it off...

Hi icg,What's funny to me though is that I think he's super talented. One of the best guys on the radio at times. He's extremely good at what he does from a tech standpoint in drawing you in for the next segment (after this short 12 minute bombardment of commercials)

I'll listen in between commercials and I find myself often liking his stuff. But this was just not smart today. It was blind homerism and you'd expect better from a national guy. It was just obvious he wasn't being objective.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

The 3 horrible calls completely changed the way that game was played. The pylon was knocked over and the ball thrown forward, how conclusive does the video have to be? The Lelie pass interference call was just laughable. Without those calls, Denver doesn't score a touchdown until the Brown fumble late in the game which gave them the ball in the red zone as well. Not to mention the last interception by Lynch was laughable as well since the receiver was tackled and not given a chance to even get to the ball. I don't have a dog in this fight, not a fan of either team. That game was given to Denver though by the refs' bad calls.

And Brady throwing the terrible interception had nothing to do with it? Or the Denver defense?

Or the Denver offense?

Forcing mistakes is a huge part of the game. His ignoring that was interesting to me.

It's the same thing with Pittsburgh yesterday. People love to jump that the Colts choked or Manning choked. I saw a better team in Pittsburgh execute a game plan to perfection and force Indy into bad plays and mistakes.

J

 

[ShaqAttaq]

Erik Kuselias is my favorite ESPN talking head, other than mel kiper. he wasn't at the top of his game today, but it was all about defending his picks.

 

[Double_J]

And Brady throwing the terrible interception had nothing to do with it?

That should have been negated by the touchback that wasn't called.

Or the Denver offense?

What the hell did they do? They went a total of what 20 yards for their 3 touchdowns thanks to the referees? I hope a professional team can score from the 2, 1, and wherever the Brown fumble was recovered inside the 20.

 

[Pick]

I think if Harper would've returned that Bettis fumble for a TD you could've argued that Pittsburgh "gave that game away". I think it works in certain contexts. The Pats did not give that one away, though.

 

[Joe Bryant]

And Brady throwing the terrible interception had nothing to do with it?

That should have been negated by the touchback that wasn't called.

Or the Denver offense?

What the hell did they do? They went a total of what 20 yards for their 3 touchdowns thanks to the referees? I hope a professional team can score from the 2, 1, and wherever the Brown fumble was recovered inside the 20.

JJIf if if....

He threw the pick. That play was all Brady. If he takes care of his business, he doesn't have to worry about the rest. And that's also why they have instant replay.

J

 

[TommyGilmore]

And Brady throwing the terrible interception had nothing to do with it?

That should have been negated by the touchback that wasn't called.

So, then the Pats have the ball on their 20, trailing 10-6. If the rest of the game plays out the same, then the Pats still lose (20-13).

 

[kupcho1]

I think if Harper would've returned that Bettis fumble for a TD you could've argued that Pittsburgh "gave that game away" the refs stole the game from Pittsburgh. I think it works in certain contexts. The Pats did not give that one away, though.

fixed

 

[Pat Patriot]

The Patriots didnt give that game away?I know its the Patriots here and this board (with management leading the way) loves to hate and bash the Pats. However, isnt it pretty commonly said when a professional team has 5 turnovers in a game that lead to ALL of the opponents points that they gave the game away? Cant you just take the Patriots out of the equation and respond to what you saw on the field?The Denver D played very well and pressured Brady a great deal. They forced the Pats into FG's and attempted FG's instead of TD's. However, even with all of the miscues, if Brady doesnt throw that pick, the Pats still have an excellent chance to win that game (if not for the interception they kick a FG and still would have been trailing 10-9 going into the 4th quarter).That play is on Brady and the LT. Then down 11, Brady misses a very open Troy Brown for a TD which would have brought them back to within 4. Vinatieri misses the FG.The Pats had their chances and missed them.I'm not buying some Pats fans saying the Pats dominated the game because of the stats. The Pats D played great. The Pats O moved the ball real well but would then turn the ball over. Denver stiffened inside the 30's. The Pats had the ball the whole 2nd half, of course they had more yards.The refs were as shocked as anyone when Watson caught Bailey and made the wrong call on the field. The call could not be reversed even though EVERYONE watching the game had to know it could only be a touchback by sheer physics and geometry.The interference call was hideous but it was brought on by the Faulk fumble.To say the Pats did not shoot themselves in the foot in a very winnable game is just not being honest.

 

[Pat Patriot]

And Brady throwing the terrible interception had nothing to do with it?

That should have been negated by the touchback that wasn't called.

So, then the Pats have the ball on their 20, trailing 10-6. If the rest of the game plays out the same, then the Pats still lose (20-13).

You really think the rest of the game plays out the same whether you were down 10-6 or down 17-6?

 

[Joe Bryant]

The Patriots didnt give that game away?

I know its the Patriots here and this board (with management leading the way) loves to hate and bash the Pats.  However, isnt it pretty commonly said when a professional team has 5 turnovers in a game that lead to ALL of the opponents points that they gave the game away?  Cant you just take the Patriots out of the equation and respond to what you saw on the field?

Hi PP, at management leading the way.

Yes, I'm going by what I saw on the field regardless of who it was playing.

Denver played better. Spin that however you want if it makes you feel better but that's the bottom line of what I saw on the field.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Erik Kuselias is my favorite ESPN talking head, other than mel kiper. he wasn't at the top of his game today, but it was all about defending his picks.

Hi Shaq,Did he pick the Patriots?

J

 

[thesurfshop19]

I'll just say this, quite simply.The Broncos-Pats game this past weekend can be seen in a similar historical light as the Rams-Pats and Steelers-Pats games from the 2002 postseason.The Broncos got some key breaks, and I'm okay with it. You can tell me that the Patriots are clearly the better team and would win the next 9 rematches, and I'm okay with it.

 

[Pat Patriot]

The Patriots didnt give that game away?

I know its the Patriots here and this board (with management leading the way) loves to hate and bash the Pats.  However, isnt it pretty commonly said when a professional team has 5 turnovers in a game that lead to ALL of the opponents points that they gave the game away?  Cant you just take the Patriots out of the equation and respond to what you saw on the field?

Hi PP, at management leading the way.

Yes, I'm going by what I saw on the field regardless of who it was playing.

Denver played better. Spin that however you want if it makes you feel better but that's the bottom line of what I saw on the field.

J

Ya Joe, you are the epitome of unbiased reporting when it comes to the Patriots. Yes, as a team. The Broncos played better. They KILLED the Patriots in ST's. Their D played very well.

But if you dont think that game was there for the taking by the Patriots, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[TommyGilmore]

And Brady throwing the terrible interception had nothing to do with it?

That should have been negated by the touchback that wasn't called.

So, then the Pats have the ball on their 20, trailing 10-6. If the rest of the game plays out the same, then the Pats still lose (20-13).

You really think the rest of the game plays out the same whether you were down 10-6 or down 17-6?

Yes I do. Exactly the same.

 

[Warsteinner]

I'm glad you're able to find a laugh just one day after your "boy" blows another postseason appearance. Keep your chin up

 

[Joe Bryant]

The Patriots didnt give that game away?

I know its the Patriots here and this board (with management leading the way) loves to hate and bash the Pats.  However, isnt it pretty commonly said when a professional team has 5 turnovers in a game that lead to ALL of the opponents points that they gave the game away?  Cant you just take the Patriots out of the equation and respond to what you saw on the field?

Hi PP, at management leading the way.

Yes, I'm going by what I saw on the field regardless of who it was playing.

Denver played better. Spin that however you want if it makes you feel better but that's the bottom line of what I saw on the field.

J

Ya Joe, you are the epitome of unbiased reporting when it comes to the Patriots.

Hi PP,Please back that up with an example. Please show me an instance of where I've been biased against the Patriots play on the field.

TIA.

J

 

[Pat Patriot]

Nice use of semantics. Hard to criticize a teams on field performance when they put up back to back 17-2 seasons and have won 3 of the last 4 SB's.Maybe the owner of the website shouldnt be held to a higher standards but calling one teams' whole fan base "Whiny Tools" is pretty bush league. The Pats were THE dominant team in the NFL for 2003 and 2004 (they were just an upstart underdog in 2001 and missed the playoffs in 2002). What would the Pats fans have to whine about?The Pats are currently on a great run of 3 of 5 SB's and hope to make it 4 of 6 next year. Saturday was dissapointing but nothing for the Pats to hang their heads about. Just a missed opportunity.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Nice use of semantics.  Hard to criticize a teams on field performance when they put up back to back 17-2 seasons and have won 3 of the last 4 SB's.

Maybe the owner of the website shouldnt be held to a higher standards but calling one teams' whole fan base "Whiny Tools" is pretty bush league. 

The Pats were THE dominant team in the NFL for 2003 and 2004 (they were just an upstart underdog in 2001 and missed the playoffs in 2002).  What would the Pats fans have to whine about?

The Pats are currently on a great run of 3 of 5 SB's and hope to make it 4 of 6 next year. 

Saturday was dissapointing but nothing for the Pats to hang their heads about.  Just a missed opportunity.

Semantics? You claim I'm biased against the Patriots play. That will be exceptionally easy to prove. It's part of living a lot of your life online with a record to see. Please show me where I've written anything to support that. Thanks.J

 

[Pat Patriot]

Ok, you run the website, right? In last years AFC Championship game, FBG's rated the matchup of Big Ben against the Pats DB's as "above average" and the rating of Tom Brady vs. Pitt DB's as neutral.Were you biased against the Patriots or just incredibly wrong? A rookie QB who couldnt get out of his own way the week before against the Jets compared to a 2 time SB MVP who was undefeated in playoff play. I'm sure those subscribers that take everything FBG says as the Gospel sent you a lot of thank you notes for that one.You tell me??

 

[greenroom]

The Point is that The Patriots made to many mistakes to win the game. And as far as Baily's INT there is no way to say the ball did or did not cross the goal line. I personally think it did not. You can go either way on that call. Patriot fans say it crossed Bronco fans say it did not. You turn over the ball 5 times you do not deserve to win the game. Who is not to say that Denver does not drive the ball down the field on the 1st touchdown?? We will never know. The Pats and Denver both could of played better. I think the teams were pretty even matched. Denver got the calls that night. NE has gotten the calls in the past. Thats why you play for home field so you can get the "home" calls.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Ok, you run the website, right? In last years AFC Championship game, FBG's rated the matchup of Big Ben against the Pats DB's as "above average" and the rating of Tom Brady vs. Pitt DB's as neutral.

Were you biased against the Patriots or just incredibly wrong? A rookie QB who couldnt get out of his own way the week before against the Jets compared to a 2 time SB MVP who was undefeated in playoff play. I'm sure those subscribers that take everything FBG says as the Gospel sent you a lot of thank you notes for that one.

You tell me??

Seriously?The fact I said Brady had a tough matchup against Pittsburgh almost twelve months ago is the "proof" that I'm biased against the Patriots?

J

 

[Pat Patriot]

Its the first one that comes to mind. That and your bias against Patriots FANS. I dont recall you referring to any individual FAN as a Whiny Tool. You disparaged the whole fan base supposedly based on some "fans" that you encountered in Tennessee. Nice logic there.

 

[Pat Patriot]

The Point is that The Patriots made to many mistakes to win the game. And as far as Baily's INT there is no way to say the ball did or did not cross the goal line. I personally think it did not. You can go either way on that call. Patriot fans say it crossed Bronco fans say it did not.

You turn over the ball 5 times you do not deserve to win the game. Who is not to say that Denver does not drive the ball down the field on the 1st touchdown?? We will never know.

The Pats and Denver both could of played better. I think the teams were pretty even matched. Denver got the calls that night. NE has gotten the calls in the past. Thats why you play for home field so you can get the "home" calls.

I dont think I have said anything to contradict that. I never said the Pats SHOULD have won. I just said the game was there for the taking.

Denver won and deserved to win. They didnt make the mistakes that the Patriots did.

At game speed, I agree with the call by the ref on the Bailey fumble. However, after reviewing on TIVO, the ball was in his right hand, his left foot was inside the 1 yard line when he was hit, there is NO way that ball went sideways out of bounds. It would have had to go BEHIND Bailey to go out of bounds.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Its the first one that comes to mind.  That and your bias against Patriots FANS.  I dont recall you referring to any individual FAN as a Whiny Tool.  You disparaged the whole fan base supposedly based on some "fans" that you encountered in Tennessee.  Nice logic there.

Maybe reading again what I wrote will help:

New England's Passing Attack vs. The Pittsburgh Defense (Tough Matchup)

During the first game between New England and Pittsburgh, the Steelers sprinted to a 21-3 first-quarter lead - with Corey Dillon sidelined by injury for the week 8 matchup, the team basically abandoned the run and relied on Tom Brady's arm (25/43 for 271 yards, 2 TDs and 2 interceptions was his tally at the end of the game). CB Deshea Townsend returned one of Brady's interceptions for a Steelers' TD. The Patriots were not at the top of their game vs. Pittsburgh, as you can see. WR David Givens led the Patriots in receiving during the Halloween defeat, snagging 8/101/2.

Tom Brady was in control during the Patriots' first playoff game, hitting 10 different receivers en route to his 18/27 for 144 yards, 1 TD and 0 interception performance vs. Indianapolis. Deon Branch (3 targets for 1/15/0) and David Patten (2 for 1/12/0), Brady's favorite targets during the closing weeks of the regular season, had a limited impact - the team's leading receiver was David Givens (4/26/1 out of 8 balls thrown his way) - but considering that 7 of the 10 players to catch passes from Brady only hauled in 1 ball, their modest numbers were not atypical last week. TE Daniel Graham snagged his 1/10/0 late in the game - he wasn't a force in the red-zone during the divisional playoff game.

The Steelers held Chad Pennington to 21/33 for 182 yards, 0 TDs and 1 interception during last week's playoff game (the Jets' offense did not score a TD vs. the Steelers' defense during the game - New York's TDs came on a punt return and an interception return). Pittsburgh was the league's 4th-ranked pass defense during 2004, allowing an average of 177.2 passing yards per game (Pittsburgh allowed the least yards per game and the least passing scores (14) among all 12 playoff teams) - the 14 passing scores they surrendered during regular season tied them for least-scored-upon pass defense (Baltimore was the other team). They tied for 7th in the league with 41 sacks in 16 games (they added 3 to their total last week vs. the Jets) - any way you slice it, the Steelers field a fearsome pass D. (Over the final 4 weeks of the regular season, the defense averaged 196 passing yards allowed per game, with .6 thrown TDs allowed per contest. The Steelers maintained their top-5 pace during the divisional round of the playoffs, and they look ready for whatever the Patriots try to throw at them. The boisterous home crowd was deafening for much of the game last week, and will be sure that New England hears them this week as well - audibles are very difficult in the face of such clamor.

The Steelers list CB Deshea Townsend as probable to play despite his injured hand. New England is in good shape, with no new injuries of note to report on Wednesday.

The forecast for Heinz Field calls for a high of 24F and a low of 14F with a 60% chance for precipitation. In such wintry conditions, footing, ball-handling and visibility are likely to be issues during the game. However, both teams come from cold-weather climates and play their home games in outdoor stadiums - the Steelers and the Patriots are accustomed to these conditions.

Brady and company took what the Colts gave to them last week - the question is, what will they be allowed by the Steelers this week? Not much, probably - advantage, Pittsburgh.

So calling a game against one of the best pass defenses in the league at their field a tough matchup shows my obvious bias against the Patriots? J

 

[Pat Patriot]

Its the first one that comes to mind.  That and your bias against Patriots FANS.  I dont recall you referring to any individual FAN as a Whiny Tool.  You disparaged the whole fan base supposedly based on some "fans" that you encountered in Tennessee.  Nice logic there.

Maybe reading again what I wrote will help:

New England's Passing Attack vs. The Pittsburgh Defense (Tough Matchup)

During the first game between New England and Pittsburgh, the Steelers sprinted to a 21-3 first-quarter lead - with Corey Dillon sidelined by injury for the week 8 matchup, the team basically abandoned the run and relied on Tom Brady's arm (25/43 for 271 yards, 2 TDs and 2 interceptions was his tally at the end of the game). CB Deshea Townsend returned one of Brady's interceptions for a Steelers' TD. The Patriots were not at the top of their game vs. Pittsburgh, as you can see. WR David Givens led the Patriots in receiving during the Halloween defeat, snagging 8/101/2.

Tom Brady was in control during the Patriots' first playoff game, hitting 10 different receivers en route to his 18/27 for 144 yards, 1 TD and 0 interception performance vs. Indianapolis. Deon Branch (3 targets for 1/15/0) and David Patten (2 for 1/12/0), Brady's favorite targets during the closing weeks of the regular season, had a limited impact - the team's leading receiver was David Givens (4/26/1 out of 8 balls thrown his way) - but considering that 7 of the 10 players to catch passes from Brady only hauled in 1 ball, their modest numbers were not atypical last week. TE Daniel Graham snagged his 1/10/0 late in the game - he wasn't a force in the red-zone during the divisional playoff game.

The Steelers held Chad Pennington to 21/33 for 182 yards, 0 TDs and 1 interception during last week's playoff game (the Jets' offense did not score a TD vs. the Steelers' defense during the game - New York's TDs came on a punt return and an interception return). Pittsburgh was the league's 4th-ranked pass defense during 2004, allowing an average of 177.2 passing yards per game (Pittsburgh allowed the least yards per game and the least passing scores (14) among all 12 playoff teams) - the 14 passing scores they surrendered during regular season tied them for least-scored-upon pass defense (Baltimore was the other team). They tied for 7th in the league with 41 sacks in 16 games (they added 3 to their total last week vs. the Jets) - any way you slice it, the Steelers field a fearsome pass D. (Over the final 4 weeks of the regular season, the defense averaged 196 passing yards allowed per game, with .6 thrown TDs allowed per contest. The Steelers maintained their top-5 pace during the divisional round of the playoffs, and they look ready for whatever the Patriots try to throw at them. The boisterous home crowd was deafening for much of the game last week, and will be sure that New England hears them this week as well - audibles are very difficult in the face of such clamor.

The Steelers list CB Deshea Townsend as probable to play despite his injured hand. New England is in good shape, with no new injuries of note to report on Wednesday.

The forecast for Heinz Field calls for a high of 24F and a low of 14F with a 60% chance for precipitation. In such wintry conditions, footing, ball-handling and visibility are likely to be issues during the game. However, both teams come from cold-weather climates and play their home games in outdoor stadiums - the Steelers and the Patriots are accustomed to these conditions.

Brady and company took what the Colts gave to them last week - the question is, what will they be allowed by the Steelers this week? Not much, probably - advantage, Pittsburgh.

So calling a game against one of the best pass defenses in the league at their field a tough matchup shows my obvious bias against the Patriots? J

How'd that work out for you? Was your clientele sufficiently impressed?I'm biased against the JETS and YANKEES. I have no problem admitting that.

If I start a post "Yankees fans suck!". I wouldnt expect anyone to read the next few paragraphs regarding my opinion on the Yankees chances next year without thinking it was a little biased. Thats all I'm saying.

If you dont think you have a bias against New England then fine, you dont have a bias.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Pat,Please show me the "Patriots fans suck!" post Joe made.TIA. WIll answer yours.Colin

 

[Pat Patriot]

Pat,

Please show me the "Patriots fans suck!" post Joe made.

TIA. WIll answer yours.

Colin

I was waiting for your arrival and almost added your name to one of the posts to facilitate your appearance but you are here anyways.You are the other staff member most noticed for his unbiased opinion of the New England Patriots (just ask Jefferson the Caregiver).

Then there others like Chase Stuart. But then again, success breeds jealousy. Just as Joe and others said in a thread about "Why do people hate Peyton Manning?". People want to bring successful people down so they can feel better about themselves. Non Pats fans want to bring the Pats down so they can feel better about their team. Simple jealousy.

Joe directly called Patriots fans "Whiny Tools". Is that a term of affection? He didnt say NEREVIVAL (just as an example) or this guy I work with is a Pats fan and he is a whiny tool. He said Pats fans in general are whiny tools. What about that is open to enterpretation?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Its the first one that comes to mind.  That and your bias against Patriots FANS.  I dont recall you referring to any individual FAN as a Whiny Tool.  You disparaged the whole fan base supposedly based on some "fans" that you encountered in Tennessee.  Nice logic there.

Maybe reading again what I wrote will help:

New England's Passing Attack vs. The Pittsburgh Defense (Tough Matchup)

During the first game between New England and Pittsburgh, the Steelers sprinted to a 21-3 first-quarter lead - with Corey Dillon sidelined by injury for the week 8 matchup, the team basically abandoned the run and relied on Tom Brady's arm (25/43 for 271 yards, 2 TDs and 2 interceptions was his tally at the end of the game). CB Deshea Townsend returned one of Brady's interceptions for a Steelers' TD. The Patriots were not at the top of their game vs. Pittsburgh, as you can see. WR David Givens led the Patriots in receiving during the Halloween defeat, snagging 8/101/2.

Tom Brady was in control during the Patriots' first playoff game, hitting 10 different receivers en route to his 18/27 for 144 yards, 1 TD and 0 interception performance vs. Indianapolis. Deon Branch (3 targets for 1/15/0) and David Patten (2 for 1/12/0), Brady's favorite targets during the closing weeks of the regular season, had a limited impact - the team's leading receiver was David Givens (4/26/1 out of 8 balls thrown his way) - but considering that 7 of the 10 players to catch passes from Brady only hauled in 1 ball, their modest numbers were not atypical last week. TE Daniel Graham snagged his 1/10/0 late in the game - he wasn't a force in the red-zone during the divisional playoff game.

The Steelers held Chad Pennington to 21/33 for 182 yards, 0 TDs and 1 interception during last week's playoff game (the Jets' offense did not score a TD vs. the Steelers' defense during the game - New York's TDs came on a punt return and an interception return). Pittsburgh was the league's 4th-ranked pass defense during 2004, allowing an average of 177.2 passing yards per game (Pittsburgh allowed the least yards per game and the least passing scores (14) among all 12 playoff teams) - the 14 passing scores they surrendered during regular season tied them for least-scored-upon pass defense (Baltimore was the other team). They tied for 7th in the league with 41 sacks in 16 games (they added 3 to their total last week vs. the Jets) - any way you slice it, the Steelers field a fearsome pass D. (Over the final 4 weeks of the regular season, the defense averaged 196 passing yards allowed per game, with .6 thrown TDs allowed per contest. The Steelers maintained their top-5 pace during the divisional round of the playoffs, and they look ready for whatever the Patriots try to throw at them. The boisterous home crowd was deafening for much of the game last week, and will be sure that New England hears them this week as well - audibles are very difficult in the face of such clamor.

The Steelers list CB Deshea Townsend as probable to play despite his injured hand. New England is in good shape, with no new injuries of note to report on Wednesday.

The forecast for Heinz Field calls for a high of 24F and a low of 14F with a 60% chance for precipitation. In such wintry conditions, footing, ball-handling and visibility are likely to be issues during the game. However, both teams come from cold-weather climates and play their home games in outdoor stadiums - the Steelers and the Patriots are accustomed to these conditions.

Brady and company took what the Colts gave to them last week - the question is, what will they be allowed by the Steelers this week? Not much, probably - advantage, Pittsburgh.

So calling a game against one of the best pass defenses in the league at their field a tough matchup shows my obvious bias against the Patriots? J

How'd that work out for you? Was your clientele sufficiently impressed?I'm biased against the JETS and YANKEES. I have no problem admitting that.

If I start a post "Yankees fans suck!". I wouldnt expect anyone to read the next few paragraphs regarding my opinion on the Yankees chances next year without thinking it was a little biased. Thats all I'm saying.

If you dont think you have a bias against New England then fine, you dont have a bias.

Were they impressed? I hope so. We said he had a tough matchup against what Pittsburgh had proven was a very good if not great defense.In our stat projections http://apps.footballguys.com/04qbprojp3.cfm we predicted Brady would complete 19 of 29 for 197 yards with 1.3 TDs and 1.1 interceptions.

In reality, he completed 14 of 21 for 207 yards for 2 TDs and no interceptions. Were we perfect? Nope. Were we biased? Absolutely not.

That's the thing about doing this - I can't afford to be biased. If I start letting bias influence what we do, we're not serving our customers. I don't mean to beat you over the head with this, but I take it very seriously when someone starts claiming I have a bias against a team when I strive very hard to be as objective as possible.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Pat,

Please show me the "Patriots fans suck!" post Joe made.

TIA. WIll answer yours.

Colin

No worries Colin, we're cool.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Pat,

Please show me the "Patriots fans suck!" post Joe made.

TIA. WIll answer yours.

Colin

I was waiting for your arrival and almost added your name to one of the posts to facilitate your appearance but you are here anyways.You are the other staff member most noticed for his unbiased opinion of the New England Patriots (just ask Jefferson the Caregiver).

Then there others like Chase Stuart. But then again, success breeds jealousy. Just as Joe and others said in a thread about "Why do people hate Peyton Manning?". People want to bring successful people down so they can feel better about themselves. Non Pats fans want to bring the Pats down so they can feel better about their team. Simple jealousy.

Joe directly called Patriots fans "Whiny Tools". Is that a term of affection? He didnt say NEREVIVAL (just as an example) or this guy I work with is a Pats fan and he is a whiny tool. He said Pats fans in general are whiny tools. What about that is open to enterpretation?

Several years ago I stupidly said some Patriot fans I knew acted like whiny tools. I shouldn't have said it. Whether or not that was a true statement is something I'll leave up to other people.

J

 

[Pat Patriot]

Joe,Thats why I take you to task for it. As owner, it makes it very difficult for you. You almost arent allowed to have a favorite team.You called Pats fans a bunch of "Whiny Tools". How are the Pats fans that are part of your customer base supposed to accept your analysis of the Pats as unbiased when you have a documented dislike for their fanbase?Thats all I am trying to get across.Sweeping generalizations of a whole fanbase which has been running rampart for quite some time and appears to be endorsed by Management doesnt do any favors for the reputation of FBG's.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Pat,

Please show me the "Patriots fans suck!" post Joe made.

TIA. WIll answer yours.

Colin

I was waiting for your arrival and almost added your name to one of the posts to facilitate your appearance but you are here anyways.You are the other staff member most noticed for his unbiased opinion of the New England Patriots (just ask Jefferson the Caregiver).

Then there others like Chase Stuart. But then again, success breeds jealousy. Just as Joe and others said in a thread about "Why do people hate Peyton Manning?". People want to bring successful people down so they can feel better about themselves. Non Pats fans want to bring the Pats down so they can feel better about their team. Simple jealousy.

Joe directly called Patriots fans "Whiny Tools". Is that a term of affection? He didnt say NEREVIVAL (just as an example) or this guy I work with is a Pats fan and he is a whiny tool. He said Pats fans in general are whiny tools. What about that is open to enterpretation?

Several years ago I stupidly said some Patriot fans I knew acted like whiny tools. I shouldn't have said it. Whether or not that was a true statement is something I'll leave up to other people.

J

My memory is of a post that said something stronger than SOME but then again I am biased.I would try to search for it but if I used "Whiny Tool" I might crash your website.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Joe,

Thats why I take you to task for it. As owner, it makes it very difficult for you. You almost arent allowed to have a favorite team.

You called Pats fans a bunch of "Whiny Tools". How are the Pats fans that are part of your customer base supposed to accept your analysis of the Pats as unbiased when you have a documented dislike for their fanbase?

Thats all I am trying to get across.

Sweeping generalizations of a whole fanbase which has been running rampart for quite some time and appears to be endorsed by Management doesnt do any favors for the reputation of FBG's.

Is his analysis misinformed or "wrong"? Not every team is on equal footing with any writer. But part of providing a quality product, of which JOe is the steward, is putting aside personal bias as best as possible to provide that quality product.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Joe,

Thats why I take you to task for it.  As owner, it makes it very difficult for you.  You almost arent allowed to have a favorite team.

You called Pats fans a bunch of "Whiny Tools".  How are the Pats fans that are part of your customer base supposed to accept your analysis of the Pats as unbiased when you have a documented dislike for their fanbase?

Thats all I am trying to get across.

Sweeping generalizations of a whole fanbase which has been running rampart for quite some time and appears to be endorsed by Management doesnt do any favors for the reputation of FBG's.

Is his analysis misinformed or "wrong"? Not every team is on equal footing with any writer. But part of providing a quality product, of which JOe is the steward, is putting aside personal bias as best as possible to provide that quality product.

Is that what you were doing with Jefferson the Caregiver after the Patriots won the Super Bowl again last year?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Joe,

Thats why I take you to task for it. As owner, it makes it very difficult for you. You almost arent allowed to have a favorite team.

You called Pats fans a bunch of "Whiny Tools". How are the Pats fans that are part of your customer base supposed to accept your analysis of the Pats as unbiased when you have a documented dislike for their fanbase?

Thats all I am trying to get across.

Sweeping generalizations of a whole fanbase which has been running rampart for quite some time and appears to be endorsed by Management doesnt do any favors for the reputation of FBG's.

Is his analysis misinformed or "wrong"? Not every team is on equal footing with any writer. But part of providing a quality product, of which JOe is the steward, is putting aside personal bias as best as possible to provide that quality product.

Is that what you were doing with Jefferson the Caregiver after the Patriots won the Super Bowl again last year?

The fact that JTC and I disagreed on the definition of the word "Dynasty" doesn't make me biased. If you go back and look at every Patriots post I made since then (and some from beforehand) you'll see I'm hardly biased against the Patriots. I think their run (*Still ongoing, by the way) is phenomenal.The fact the JTC thought I was being disingenuous doesn't make me biased...

 

[Pat Patriot]

I dont remember word for word but it got pretty heated between the 2 of you to the point that JTC said he was done with you (only in stronger terms). I dont think the conversation was innocuous as you make it sound.I dont read a lot of your material. First impressions are lasting. If I have more time, I will have to give you a read.Your take on Vince Young has been interesting though. I think we have had a good back and forth on that one.

 

[Raider Nation]

Kaselius is almost un-listenable for crap like this. Joe, do yourself a favor and turn it off...

What's funny to me though is that I think he's super talented. One of the best guys on the radio at times. He's extremely good at what he does from a tech standpoint in drawing you in for the next segment (after this short 12 minute bombardment of commercials)

I listen to the Sportsbash every day. I like Erik's program quite a bit. He is passionate and pretty knowledgeable. I also like the fact that he spends most of his time on football. The only thing that kind of turns me off is that he and his brother Chris (his former co-host who now calls in once a week) make like they know more about football than anyone else on the planet, then they will not know the name of a backup QB somewhere, or they could not tell you who Samkon Gado is, even though he started the last couple of games for the Packers.And I don't like his obviously-choreographed pregnant pauses, accompanied by the requisite heavy sighs. Other than that minor stuff.... it's a pretty solid program.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Joe,

Thats why I take you to task for it. As owner, it makes it very difficult for you. You almost arent allowed to have a favorite team.

You called Pats fans a bunch of "Whiny Tools". How are the Pats fans that are part of your customer base supposed to accept your analysis of the Pats as unbiased when you have a documented dislike for their fanbase?

Thats all I am trying to get across.

Sweeping generalizations of a whole fanbase which has been running rampart for quite some time and appears to be endorsed by Management doesnt do any favors for the reputation of FBG's.

I said some of the fans I knew were whiny tools. That can be said for every single NFL Franchise.The response to that statement (not whining - I'm more careful now ) has been interesting in itself but that's another story.

I should have kept that to myself. Lesson learned several years ago.

And you're right, I'm not allowed to have a favorite team. And I don't for that reason.

It's in our customers interests that I write from the point of view like we did on the Patriots vs Steelers matchup that is totally absolutely unbiased. And make the projections like we did that are totally and completely unbiased.

Glad you were able to see that in the matchups and stat projections.

But back to my original point on Kaselius, he went on forever about it. Did he pick New England big on Friday?

J

 

[ShaqAttaq]

Hi Shaq,

Did he pick the Patriots?

J

Updated: Jan. 13, 2006, 3:19 PM ETErik Kuselias' NFL Playoff Picks

Divisional Playoffs

@ SEATTLE -9.5 over WASHINGTON

@ INDY -9.5 over PITTSBURGH

NEW ENGLAND +3.5 @ DENVER

CAROLINA + 3 @ CHICAGO

 

[Colin Dowling]

I dont remember word for word but it got pretty heated between the 2 of you to the point that JTC said he was done with you (only in stronger terms). I dont think the conversation was innocuous as you make it sound.

I dont read a lot of your material. First impressions are lasting. If I have more time, I will have to give you a read.

Your take on Vince Young has been interesting though. I think we have had a good back and forth on that one.

It got plenty heated, and most of that came with me saying "I have nothing against the Patriots, but they aren't a dynasty." THe prevailing opinion of others was that I was lying on both counts. I can't MAKE people agree with me or believe me, so what am I going to do? You are right, it was heated.Regardless, I think the Pats run is quite impressive and it will be interesting to see if they can keep making a run at the title each year.

 

[blenderfrog]

Thought we were in the shark pool .

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hi Shaq,

Did he pick the Patriots?

J

Updated: Jan. 13, 2006, 3:19 PM ETErik Kuselias' NFL Playoff Picks

Divisional Playoffs

@ SEATTLE -9.5 over WASHINGTON

@ INDY -9.5 over PITTSBURGH

NEW ENGLAND +3.5 @ DENVER

CAROLINA + 3 @ CHICAGO

Thanks Shaq,His show today makes more sense then.

J

 

[gzilla]

The 3 horrible calls completely changed the way that game was played. The pylon was knocked over and the ball thrown forward, how conclusive does the video have to be? The Lelie pass interference call was just laughable. Without those calls, Denver doesn't score a touchdown until the Brown fumble late in the game which gave them the ball in the red zone as well. Not to mention the last interception by Lynch was laughable as well since the receiver was tackled and not given a chance to even get to the ball. I don't have a dog in this fight, not a fan of either team. That game was given to Denver though by the refs' bad calls.

And Brady throwing the terrible interception had nothing to do with it? Or the Denver defense?

Or the Denver offense?

Forcing mistakes is a huge part of the game. His ignoring that was interesting to me.

It's the same thing with Pittsburgh yesterday. People love to jump that the Colts choked or Manning choked. I saw a better team in Pittsburgh execute a game plan to perfection and force Indy into bad plays and mistakes.

J

I didn't hear it on the radio but based on your recap I would agree with him. Of course Brady's interception had something to do with it. So did his miss of the wide open WR before Vinitieri's missed FG. I think that's probably his point. Brady didn't make the plays he normally makes...add a couple of questionable calls by the refs and they lose.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that should make the Patriots or their fans feel better, I think it should make them feel worse. But, it was my opinion watching that game that NE had many, many opportunites to win that game. They just didn't come through.

 

[Pick]

Wow! Talk about holding a grudge.

 

[Obie Wan]

Wow! Talk about holding a grudge.

you get that from whiny tools