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How often does your league point champion win your league? (1 Viewer)

The regular season scoring champ has won just 4 championships in 15 years in my league, including this year (he just got knocked out).

 
We split the $$$ pot between the points champion and the playoff champ. In 19 years those top two awards have been "swept" just 4 times. (21%). 16 team league, and we generally consider the points award to be the more coveted.

 
Point leader in my 12 man league didn't even make the playoffs.

Only twice in 9 seasons. 22%

 
In one league I am in 4 times in 18 years 22%

In another league 3 times in 8 years 38%

Both leagues are 16 team leagues and like SofaCouch we give a good payout to the point leader

 
100 percent of the time.

(total points league, which is the kind of play I prefer)

In my h2h leagues it's certainly less than half--perhaps 25 percent-- although they almost always make the playoffs. While I'm not a huge fan of h2h, to be fair I can say I can only recall a couple of times where the points champ didn't make the playoffs.

 
2 times in 17 years. How do I know? I have been 1st or 2nd in scoring 14 of 17 years (including this year). Oddly the one year I won the league, I was 2nd highest scorer. 1st highest scorer lost week 1 of playoffs.

 
I'd say right around 20-25% of the time. The high beta guys seem to be the WRs, and it seems like their numbers start to slip as we get into December, which is playoff time in fantasy leagues. Seems that consistency trumps volatility.

 
JJP said:
I'd say right around 20-25% of the time. The high beta guys seem to be the WRs, and it seems like their numbers start to slip as we get into December, which is playoff time in fantasy leagues. Seems that consistency trumps volatility.
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It's funny you would bring that up, because I'm about to knock our high scorer out of the playoffs, in spite of Fitz mediocre day & Meachum @ WR3 and whatever S Smith (CAR) does. Also had Burleson & Manningham all year (though not this week), and originally drafted A Gonzalez as my #3. If anything, my WRs have gone downhill the last few wks (in addition to losing R Brown a month ago). Was lucky to have J Charles in the wings & a huge game from Big Ben helped this wk. Generally speaking, without checking stats, I'd say our high pts leader has won 4 or 5 times in 13 yrs. Anything over 50% is unlikely in a H2H league... there's too much luck involved on a week to week basis.
 
IN my league that has happened only once in five years. This years point champ lost today to be eliminated. That makes four years in a row. The last two years I was the point champ and got bounced in the first game both years.

 
never - 13 year h2h, 1st 7 years redraft - now keeper (0-9, most keep 2-5).

i've been high points last 3 years - 3 years ago (up 200 points) didn't even make the playoffs. every week it seems i got beat by team having a career day (and their only one of the season).

last year i made the playoffs and got bounced by a dwill garbage time td.

this year i made it to the second round and warner/lbj/r rice/meachem/marshall/s rice all came up small (or in the case of s rice, seem to be)... sigh... even if i 'd started young and mendenhall i would have lost...

 
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The season is long enough to really work against the wire to wire types. In real life, the Patriots in 2007 were 16-0 during the regular season. In the first half of the season, they looked like the best team ever. In the last 8 games, they looked very mortal. The Saints this season remind me of that. Yeah, they are 13-1 straight up but now just 2-6 against the spread in their last 8 games.

 
Gonna lock it up this season unless Manning to Clark beats me next week.

11-2, lost to #2 and #3 teams, but both lost in the playoffs.

Warner/Leinart/Schaub

Rice/McGahee/Mendenhall/Sproles

Fitz/R. Moss/Ochocinco/Daniels-Walter

Akers

Cardinals/GB D (Thank you for D by committee FBG)

First time it's happened in our league since I did it in 2006 though.

 
We don't even keep track. We keep track of championships.

I'd guess maybe a third of the time.

This season, I was a hair away from being the points champ and not making the playoffs at 7-7.

It's never happened (and I'm glad it didn't happen to me), but I've always been keenly aware of the possibility.

 
In my WCOFF style money league I may win the week 1-16 high points for the season payout but only won 5 games. I'll be in the toilet bowl finale next week. That's about as bad luck as you can get. My team could have been even better as I made some wrong calls along the way and had 5 shoulda wons which really stinks.

 
JetMaxx said:
Every year. Total points league. No luck involved and the best team wins.
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That would bore me to tears. I love the H2H element against your league rivals.And once the teams know they have no shot at the points title, why bother managing your team any longer?
 
not this year..the guy who dominated this year, lost today. We play 2 game s a week(highly recommended)..and he was 22-4..first round bye and out today.

 
meh total points is overrated anyway. The guy that won our total points did it with 3 huge weeks, most of the other weeks he was in the bottom half of the scoring. Didn't make the playoffs going 6-7

 
JJP said:
The season is long enough to really work against the wire to wire types. In real life, the Patriots in 2007 were 16-0 during the regular season. In the first half of the season, they looked like the best team ever. In the last 8 games, they looked very mortal. The Saints this season remind me of that. Yeah, they are 13-1 straight up but now just 2-6 against the spread in their last 8 games.
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A lot of that has to do with the injury ridden defense.
 
Kind of off topic but we did a rotisserie this year. We had a guy drop late in our auction draft and ended up with 11 guys.

We did a you play everyone every week deal - so most points is 10-0, 9-1, 8-2 etc etc. It was pretty fun. The top 6 in points ended up making the playoffs but their seeds did not end up matching their total points rankings.

The thing we think we might change was once the playoffs started we changed to H2h - like a normal playoff weeks 14-16.

 
footballsavvy said:
JJP said:
The season is long enough to really work against the wire to wire types. In real life, the Patriots in 2007 were 16-0 during the regular season. In the first half of the season, they looked like the best team ever. In the last 8 games, they looked very mortal. The Saints this season remind me of that. Yeah, they are 13-1 straight up but now just 2-6 against the spread in their last 8 games.
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A lot of that has to do with the injury ridden defense.
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Where did the injuries get ridden to? :wall:
 
Raider Nation said:
JetMaxx said:
Every year. Total points league. No luck involved and the best team wins.
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That would bore me to tears. I love the H2H element against your league rivals.And once the teams know they have no shot at the points title, why bother managing your team any longer?
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:hot: Agree, why even care after you slip 100+ points behind the point lead. I'll be in the championship game next week and I'm 250+ points away from the total points leader(my brother), who I just beat today. Many years I've been the points leader and lost. All I ever lost in past years was bragging rights with my friends and family. I would not play any other way than H2H.
 
Raider Nation said:
JetMaxx said:
Every year. Total points league. No luck involved and the best team wins.
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That would bore me to tears. I love the H2H element against your league rivals.And once the teams know they have no shot at the points title, why bother managing your team any longer?
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The best system is Victory Points - HTH with total points scored also earning points.I also think league's should award a higher amount of the $$$ to the top teams during the season rather just to the playoff winner. Weeks 1-13 > weeks 15 & 16 IMO
 
waybackwhen said:
Raider Nation said:
JetMaxx said:
Every year. Total points league. No luck involved and the best team wins.
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That would bore me to tears. I love the H2H element against your league rivals.And once the teams know they have no shot at the points title, why bother managing your team any longer?
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:goodposting: Agree, why even care after you slip 100+ points behind the point lead. I'll be in the championship game next week and I'm 250+ points away from the total points leader(my brother), who I just beat today. Many years I've been the points leader and lost. All I ever lost in past years was bragging rights with my friends and family. I would not play any other way than H2H.
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It depends on how the league is set up. I play in a league where your draft position is based on how well you finish (except the champ, who finishes last). Giving bottom-feeders early draft picks encourages tanking, and this eliminates tanking entirely. The difference between finishing 3rd and finishing 6th could make a difference the following year. Plus with the rivalry aspect, nobody wants to finish behind their buddies. In a league with long-time friends, that carries a lot of weight. I disagree that there's "no luck involved" in total points-- there's always luck in fantasy football. But the best team wins every time. Since you can't play defense against your opponent, the h2h format is just random luck. That's a big price to pay for the "fun" of it. I appreciate what h2h has to offer, though. But for me it's the more boring format by far. You just hand over your fortunes to a randomly-generated schedule and hope for the best. Winning a h2h league is great, and sometimes you're lucky enough to do it. But winning a total points league feels like a bigger accomplishment. For me, anyway. I do think it's interesting that so few points champions are actual title winners in fantasy football. It's not like the NFL, where a scoring champion goes out on the field and is bested by another club who plays up to them and takes them out. A random comparison of one pretend team's scores and another pretend team's scores seems to rarely favor the team that scored the most points. In this thread, it seems like the points champ wins less than its share. In some leagues it hardly ever wins. I wonder if there's a reason for that.
 
Here's a couple things we do that IMHO

are unique

12 team h2h...6 teams make playoffs

but seed 6 is based points not records.

Week 12...top 2 scoring teams from

seeds 3-6 advance

Weeks 13-16... all play each week between

2 Week 12 survuviors and seeds 1-2. So

each week you play 3 gms for total of

9 gMs...final standings based on rec then pts

the seed for these 3 weeks

 
Only 1 time in 6 years. Points leader is still alive this year, but looking doubtful going into tonight.

If he loses it will be 1 for 7.

 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
In this thread, it seems like the points champ wins less than its share. In some leagues it hardly ever wins. I wonder if there's a reason for that.
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Im my experience, it's because most of our points champs have relied on a couple of key players, usually from the same team, to garner most of their points. Those players usually come from teams who are lighting it up on the real field all year long. If they happen to have an off game during the fantasy playoffs and none of the players on the owner's team picks up the slack, then they falter. Couple years ago, any team that had Brady, Moss, and/or Welker probably coasted into the playoffs. One off game and BOOM...out of it unless you had other players who replace those points.This year, our points leader's (dynasty league) team was Saints heavy (Brees, Colston, Saints defense). Knocked out in the semi finals. I rarely am the points leader when I play but that's because I try not to rely on heavy hitters for most of my points. Id rather know that I will always score in the top third of the league every week. I'll just play percentages after that.
 
VTjkru said:
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
In this thread, it seems like the points champ wins less than its share. In some leagues it hardly ever wins. I wonder if there's a reason for that.
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Im my experience, it's because most of our points champs have relied on a couple of key players, usually from the same team, to garner most of their points. Those players usually come from teams who are lighting it up on the real field all year long. If they happen to have an off game during the fantasy playoffs and none of the players on the owner's team picks up the slack, then they falter. Couple years ago, any team that had Brady, Moss, and/or Welker probably coasted into the playoffs. One off game and BOOM...out of it unless you had other players who replace those points.This year, our points leader's (dynasty league) team was Saints heavy (Brees, Colston, Saints defense). Knocked out in the semi finals. I rarely am the points leader when I play but that's because I try not to rely on heavy hitters for most of my points. Id rather know that I will always score in the top third of the league every week. I'll just play percentages after that.
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I will add this: Skill gets you to the playoffs, luck wins it.
 
In my main leauge the points champ is in the SB. The team that was second in points would have been in the SB as well if they made the playoffs..

:thumbup: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Guess who?

 
We don't keep track of total points in regards to the amount of championships..........but the #1 seed has NEVER won our championship.

If Tynes can score 1 positive point tonight, it will then pit the #1 against the #2 seed in the championship..............but the #2 seed has Chris Johnson and Aaron Rodgers!

 
Raider Nation said:
footballsavvy said:
JJP said:
The season is long enough to really work against the wire to wire types. In real life, the Patriots in 2007 were 16-0 during the regular season. In the first half of the season, they looked like the best team ever. In the last 8 games, they looked very mortal. The Saints this season remind me of that. Yeah, they are 13-1 straight up but now just 2-6 against the spread in their last 8 games.
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A lot of that has to do with the injury ridden defense.
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Where did the injuries get ridden to? :wall:
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Awesome. Great smiley use too. :thumbup:
 
dmac37 said:
Raider Nation said:
JetMaxx said:
Every year. Total points league. No luck involved and the best team wins.
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That would bore me to tears. I love the H2H element against your league rivals.And once the teams know they have no shot at the points title, why bother managing your team any longer?
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The best system is Victory Points - HTH with total points scored also earning points.

I also think league's should award a higher amount of the $$$ to the top teams during the season rather just to the playoff winner. Weeks 1-13 > weeks 15 & 16 IMO
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Can someone elaborate on this setup? I'm not familiar.
 
28.5% of the time. 2 out of the last 7 years, not counting this year. This year the scoring champ is still playing and has a chance to win the title.

An interesting stat for our league is that the #1 seed has never won the title in 7 years. The scoring champ has never been the #1 seed until this year. The #1 seed has only made it to the title game 2 times in 7 years, losing both times.

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
28.5% of the time. 2 out of the last 7 years, not counting this year. This year the scoring champ is still playing and has a chance to win the title.An interesting stat for our league is that the #1 seed has never won the title in 7 years. The scoring champ has never been the #1 seed until this year. The #1 seed has only made it to the title game 2 times in 7 years, losing both times.
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Same here on the #1 seed. It's like a jinx. 1995, 1999, 2008 the #1 seed won it. 3 of 18 years. btw, Dynasty?
 
Just as an aside, this is why many leagues (including ours) do give a cash prize for top points. (In ours it's 10% - which is usually about equal to the annual fee - so you play for free the next year).

 
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