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How soon until Wali Lundy is #2 (1 Viewer)

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HOU signed Antowain Smith to be a backup to Dom Davis, shaking up the entire HOU backup scheme. Who takes it if DD goes down?

Problems:

Antowain Smith is 34 and a good season is long past him

coach has said that Morency is not a good zone blocking runner

W.Lundy is just a rookie

looking at these...who gets the ball?

 
I just don't buy it. It could happen, of course - Gado's a good recent example of a big surprise... but I think it's more likely that he was picked up for depth and special teams. If he even becomes #2 at any point in his career, I think it'll be an upset.

 
coach has said that Morency is not a good zone blocking runner
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Published Fri May 19 10:49:00 a.m. ET 2006 (Rotoworld) Texans coach Gary Kubiak believes Vernand Morency is a poor fit for the team's one-cut running style.

Impact: "He's more of a shifty-type runner, and that's not what we want him to do," Kubiak said of Morency. "We tell them they get one cut and then they have to get the ball downfield." The Houston Chronicle says Morency is competing for the No. 3 running back job, not the backup job.

 
coach has said that Morency is not a good zone blocking runner
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Published Fri May 19 10:49:00 a.m. ET 2006 (Rotoworld) Texans coach Gary Kubiak believes Vernand Morency is a poor fit for the team's one-cut running style.

Impact: "He's more of a shifty-type runner, and that's not what we want him to do," Kubiak said of Morency. "We tell them they get one cut and then they have to get the ball downfield." The Houston Chronicle says Morency is competing for the No. 3 running back job, not the backup job.
I read that from the complete article. Kubiak did not say he isn't a good zone blocking runner. He said he's shifty and that's not what they want him to do. He told him one cut and get downfield. And what rotoworld left out was Kubiak saying Morency has done well with the instructions. Anyway, this is a good topic. It does look like they prefer Antowain as a backup. and they like Lundy's fit. I don't think Kubiak has had a chance to see just how talented Morency is yet, and I still think he'll emerge as RB2.

 
Antowain Smith is 34 and a good season is long past him

coach has said that Morency is not a good zone blocking runner
Actually sounds like Morency is adjusting well to the zone blocking.
"He's more of a shifty-type runner, and that's not what we want him to do," Kubiak said of Morency. "We tell them they get one cut and then they have to get the ball downfield. He's being told a few different things than maybe he's been told in the past, but he's responded well and practiced well."
linkHowever, remember that Kubiak drafted Lundy, not Morency

Reporter speculation* from the same article:

At this point, the Texans' top backup is veteran Antowain Smith, 34
*no direct quote from Kubiak
 
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I think the fact that Lundy was scouted

and drafted by Kubiak along with the

questions the staff has about Morency's blocking abilities,

leads me to believe that Wali Lundy could be the

dynasty sleeper for Houston.

His college numbers at Virginia were very impressive.

742 rushes

3193 yards

43 TDs :eek:

 
He's certainly undervalued right now, but he's still a major longshot. I'm not sure if Houston's long-term starter is on the roster right now.

 
He's certainly undervalued right now, but he's still a major longshot. I'm not sure if Houston's long-term starter is on the roster right now.
As a DD owner, it makes me shudder to say this, but what makes you certain that there is or even will be a long term starter in Houston?Kubiak has been in Denver a long time and they have continually rotated bodies through there. As good as Portis was there, they cut him loose and sure haven't made that much of an effort to replace him with a long-term starter, i.e. trade or 1st round pick. I hope DD gets healthy and stays healthy because he is definitely cheap enough to be a starter and could stay entrenched for a few years.

 
I still think Houston stands a good shot at landing Michael Bennet, I just don't think the Saints want to trade him until they sign Bush and make certain Deuce is healthy.

 
He's certainly undervalued right now, but he's still a major longshot. I'm not sure if Houston's long-term starter is on the roster right now.
As a DD owner, it makes me shudder to say this, but what makes you certain that there is or even will be a long term starter in Houston?Kubiak has been in Denver a long time and they have continually rotated bodies through there. As good as Portis was there, they cut him loose and sure haven't made that much of an effort to replace him with a long-term starter, i.e. trade or 1st round pick. I hope DD gets healthy and stays healthy because he is definitely cheap enough to be a starter and could stay entrenched for a few years.
Good point. Kubiak might adopt a similar philosophy. He certainly seems to like the idea of adding RBs to his group.
 
coach has said that Morency is not a good zone blocking runner
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Published Fri May 19 10:49:00 a.m. ET 2006 (Rotoworld) Texans coach Gary Kubiak believes Vernand Morency is a poor fit for the team's one-cut running style.

Impact: "He's more of a shifty-type runner, and that's not what we want him to do," Kubiak said of Morency. "We tell them they get one cut and then they have to get the ball downfield." The Houston Chronicle says Morency is competing for the No. 3 running back job, not the backup job.
That's just Kubiak trying to light a fire in Morency.
 
During and before the draft, I thought Lundy fit the Denver mold well. I thought they'd take a late round flyer on him like they do many years. As it turns out, he ended up @ mini-Denver aka Houston.

I think he's a good late round dynasty sleeper as well. Given DD's health (or lackthereof), and Smith's age something could definitely happen for him next year.

 
the answer is never

Houston is still trying to trade for a VET # 2 ..

LUNDY is nothing more than a flier type pick

P.S guy or special teamer this year .. anyone thinking anymore is prob the guy who drafted him in the # 5 rd rookie draft

 
Texans HC Kubiak praises running backs

Nick Schenck

6/22/2006

Gary Kubiak was pleased with many aspects of his team following 14 days of offseason team activities and two mini-camp sessions. The area he was most excited about, though, might surprise some people.

The Texans’ head coach couldn’t say enough good things about the running backs, which was bold praise considering incumbent starter Domanick Davis was sidelined while recovering from offseason knee surgery, and 2005 third-round pick Vernand Morency also missed time with plantar fasciitis.

The remaining ball carriers included a nine-year veteran and three rookies, two of which were undrafted. Even one of the first-year players, sixth-round pick Wali Lundy, missed some time while recovering from a strained hamstring, leaving Antowain Smith, Chris Taylor and Damien Rhodes to split the majority of reps. Smith, with his fifth NFL club, was the only player with any pro experience.

Yet Kubiak couldn’t be happier with the group heading into training camp. He loves Smith’s leadership and the example he sets, as well as the energy and competitiveness of his first-year players. Part of Kubiak’s optimism could stem from his history of turning previously unheralded and so-called “washed up” running backs into solid contributors.

In the past eight seasons, five different Denver Broncos running backs have rushed for 1,000 yards in Kubiak’s offense. Only two of those players were drafted before the fourth round, and none were first-round picks.

That’s not to say any running back can gain 1,000 yards under Kubiak, but it certainly is a good track record that the Texans would not mind replicating.

“I’m surprised (at our depth),” Kubiak said. “I guess that would be a good way to put it…Antowain is a veteran guy that we’re very excited to get. We think he fits what we do. Then the surprise comes from these young kids. Morency has missed some time, but you look at Wali Lundy, Taylor and Rhodes. We’re very, very fortunate to pick these young men up, and they have been a big surprise throughout this summer. They’re doing a good job.”

Lundy played in a zone scheme under head coach Al Groh, so he’s familiar with Kubiak’s offense. Meanwhile, Taylor, a former Indiana Hoosier, and Rhodes, who played at Syracuse, have caught on quickly with their speed and decisiveness.

Running backs coach Chick Harris credits Kubiak for uncovering the talented prospects.

“I think that it’s really good to be able to find young players like we’ve been able to do,” Harris said. “I tell you what, our head coach went out and he constantly pounded on looking everywhere, near and far, to find young players. I think that’s a credit to what coach Kubiak did in Denver. And I think we have some young, quality backs in our camp right now that are going to have to be reckoned with.”

According to Harris, each running back has a slightly different style, but they all work well in the system that the Texans run, which emphasizes quick cuts upfield without a lot of shake-and-baking.

“The running style is based on inside and outside zone principles and being decisive and going north and south as soon as you see a vertical lane to run in,” Harris said. “I think that’s so important, and then really emphasizing that over and over and over. They get a lot out of it and they get a good push at the line of scrimmage with the line play. We’re looking forward to seeing that pay dividends.”

Taylor (5-11, 220) slipped through the cracks afterrushing for 740 yards on 156 carries (4.7 avg.) last year in a spread offense. His compact frame and breakaway speed turned heads this offseason, but he’s not taking anything for granted.

“This is my type of offense with zones and powers,” Taylor said during mini-camps. “I’m just trying to take one day at a time. I’m going out there every play trying to give it 100 percent. It’s hard for free agents to make the team normally. So I’m just doing my best and hopefully everything will work out.”

While he had to watch from the sidelines for significant portions of the offseason, Lundy (5-10, 214) possesses superb footwork and an uncanny scoring ability. He scored a school-record 50 touchdowns in Charlottesville.

Harris’ only concern is keeping Lundy on the field.

“Wali Lundy gives you a lot of vision and balance and he can go between the tackles or inside the tackles and do a good job,” Harris said. “He’s got good lower legs, and the vision and patience to see the holes.”

Rhodes also is comfortable in the Texans’ offense after working under current tight ends coach Brian Pariani at Syracuse, where Pariani served as the offensive coordinator last season.

After finishing his career ranked fifth in all-purpose yards (3,972) at Syracuse, Rhodes has a chance to contribute to the Texans on offense and in the return game.

“Damien Rhodes possesses a lot of speed,” Harris said. “He plays into the mix very well.”

Even if Davis and Morency return to full strength, and Smith continues to play well, Kubiak anticipates each of the young runners to push for playing time during the preseason. They showed this offseason that they’re up for the challenge.

“Opportunity is knocking with those kids,” Kubiak said at mini-camp. “It was a little scary at one time putting our backfield together, but now once they are all healthy, it’s going to be a strength on our team. I think they’re all going to do a good job for us and it’s going to be a (heck) of a battle.”

http://www.houstontexans.com

 
The real question is when does Lundy supplant Dom Davis at the #1????
Okay, I'll play along. What happened to this kid? I remember that name getting buzz 2-3 years ago. He sure fizzelled out. Injuries? Dedication? Trouble? What happened to Wali?
 
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The real question is when does Lundy supplant Dom Davis at the #1????
Okay, I'll play along. What happened to this kid? I remember that name getting buzz 2-3 years ago. He sure fizzelled out. Injuries? Dedication? Trouble? What happened to Wali?
I'm not sure. Injuries ring a bell, but I can't say. Maybe someone else can help us? What I do know is that he holds the ACC record for number of TDs. That's crazy.
 
Where's Jonathan Wells now? I dont understand why he doesnt get more love. It seems every time he filled in for Davis he got 100 yds and a TD.

 
I still think Houston stands a good shot at landing Michael Bennet, I just don't think the Saints want to trade him until they sign Bush and make certain Deuce is healthy.
At this point who cares? The longer Bennett stays in NO, the more of a non-factor he becomes. It's not like he was a backup in Denver, i.e. knows the offense to a tee, so even if he is traded, he isn't going to be more than a backup.If this was a post draft trade, I would say maybe he has a shot, but it is 2 months after the draft, there is still no trade and training camp is about to start. Maybe someone else can help, but I sure don't remember a training camp/pre-season trade where that player ended up as the starter. If there are no examples, then at this point the speculation that Bennett will see much playing time in 2006 is just that, speculation.

 
Playing running back isn't exactly rocket science. I imagine a veteran like Bennett could be functional on a new team in a matter of days.

 
Where's Jonathan Wells now? I dont understand why he doesnt get more love. It seems every time he filled in for Davis he got 100 yds and a TD.
Guys, can we get back to reality here? Wells has done close to nothing in his career.Jonathan Wells has a career total of one 100 yard rushing game in his career of 60 games. He also has a stellar 3.1 career ypc average.

DD in only 40 games, has ten 100 yard rushing games along with five 90+ yard rushing games to go along with a 4.1 ypc average with the exact same O-Line/team. Not to mention that in terms of total yardage, DD has 100 total yards in 24 of 40 games to Wells' 4 times in 60 games.

Wells best game was 133 yards, which DD has bested 13 times in 20 fewer games and DD's best is 201. DD even has 10 150+ total yard games, meaning 1 of every 4 games DD has played he has 150-200 yards a plateau that Wells never got to in his 4 years.

 
I still think Houston stands a good shot at landing Michael Bennet, I just don't think the Saints want to trade him until they sign Bush and make certain Deuce is healthy.
At this point who cares? The longer Bennett stays in NO, the more of a non-factor he becomes. It's not like he was a backup in Denver, i.e. knows the offense to a tee, so even if he is traded, he isn't going to be more than a backup.If this was a post draft trade, I would say maybe he has a shot, but it is 2 months after the draft, there is still no trade and training camp is about to start. Maybe someone else can help, but I sure don't remember a training camp/pre-season trade where that player ended up as the starter. If there are no examples, then at this point the speculation that Bennett will see much playing time in 2006 is just that, speculation.
Training camp is more than a month away so I think saying it is to late for Michael Bennett to contribute if he is traded to another teams is kind of silly. As for an example of a guy coming to a team this late and contributing just look at last year and Gado who was picked up in October by the Pack. He was not traded to them but what difference does that make? The point is it is far from to late to learn the offense.

 
The real question is when does Lundy supplant Dom Davis at the #1????
Okay, I'll play along. What happened to this kid? I remember that name getting buzz 2-3 years ago. He sure fizzelled out. Injuries? Dedication? Trouble? What happened to Wali?
Zone Blocking Scheme = Overrated RB for any team not using zone blocking scheme... usually the case with new exceptions Portis/Droughns but they certainly haven't done what they did in Denver and look what the scheme has done for Warrick Dunns career.
 
Playing running back isn't exactly rocket science. I imagine a veteran like Bennett could be functional on a new team in a matter of days.
Sorry for not seeing this earlier, but my comment had nothing to do with picking up the offense. My point was that I don't think Bennett is going to contribute much at all unless everybody in front of him gets injured. Had he gotten traded after the draft, I would feel differently, but at this point, I don't think he has a shot even if he learns the offense quickly and even if the trade actually happens.
 
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I still think Houston stands a good shot at landing Michael Bennet, I just don't think the Saints want to trade him until they sign Bush and make certain Deuce is healthy.
At this point who cares? The longer Bennett stays in NO, the more of a non-factor he becomes. It's not like he was a backup in Denver, i.e. knows the offense to a tee, so even if he is traded, he isn't going to be more than a backup.If this was a post draft trade, I would say maybe he has a shot, but it is 2 months after the draft, there is still no trade and training camp is about to start. Maybe someone else can help, but I sure don't remember a training camp/pre-season trade where that player ended up as the starter. If there are no examples, then at this point the speculation that Bennett will see much playing time in 2006 is just that, speculation.
Training camp is more than a month away so I think saying it is to late for Michael Bennett to contribute if he is traded to another teams is kind of silly. As for an example of a guy coming to a team this late and contributing just look at last year and Gado who was picked up in October by the Pack. He was not traded to them but what difference does that make? The point is it is far from to late to learn the offense.
Gado is a good example and one I know well as I picked him up last year and played him a lot. The only problem is that he got playing time because every single GB RB (Green, Davenport and Fisher) got hurt and the only healthy body was Gado. That happens, but usually to one team every couple years, like Goings in 2004 with Carolina.I still stand by statement of who cares. At this point, even if Bennett can pickup the offense quickly, he still isn't going to get significant time unless DD, Morency, and Smith go down. I think it is too late for Bennett to be anything more than a backup at this point because he hasn't even been traded yet.

I 100% agree that NO is waiting until they know that Bush/McAllister are healthy. At this point, Houston obviously isn't offering enough for him (seeing as this trade rumor started on May 11th or before) which means there is no reason for NO to make the trade when they think Bennett has some value to them as depth and maybe more value to another team during the year. Think Lamar Gordon to Miami for a 3rd round pick because Miami had no one when Williams retired.

 
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I still think Houston stands a good shot at landing Michael Bennet, I just don't think the Saints want to trade him until they sign Bush and make certain Deuce is healthy.
At this point who cares? The longer Bennett stays in NO, the more of a non-factor he becomes. It's not like he was a backup in Denver, i.e. knows the offense to a tee, so even if he is traded, he isn't going to be more than a backup.If this was a post draft trade, I would say maybe he has a shot, but it is 2 months after the draft, there is still no trade and training camp is about to start. Maybe someone else can help, but I sure don't remember a training camp/pre-season trade where that player ended up as the starter. If there are no examples, then at this point the speculation that Bennett will see much playing time in 2006 is just that, speculation.
Training camp is more than a month away so I think saying it is to late for Michael Bennett to contribute if he is traded to another teams is kind of silly. As for an example of a guy coming to a team this late and contributing just look at last year and Gado who was picked up in October by the Pack. He was not traded to them but what difference does that make? The point is it is far from to late to learn the offense.
Gado is a good example and one I know well as I picked him up last year and played him a lot. The only problem is that he got playing time because every single GB RB (Green, Davenport and Fisher) got hurt and the only healthy body was Gado. That happens, but usually to one team every couple years, like Goings in 2004 with Carolina.I still stand by statement of who cares. At this point, even if Bennett can pickup the offense quickly, he still isn't going to get significant time unless DD, Morency, and Smith go down. I think it is too late for Bennett to be anything more than a backup at this point because he hasn't even been traded yet.

I 100% agree that NO is waiting until they know that Bush/McAllister are healthy. At this point, Houston obviously isn't offering enough for him (seeing as this trade rumor started on May 11th or before) which means there is no reason for NO to make the trade when they think Bennett has some value to them as depth and maybe more value to another team during the year. Think Lamar Gordon to Miami for a 3rd round pick because Miami had no one when Williams retired.
I aslo agree that Bennett is a non factor unless DD is hurt but that was the point of this entire thread. The discussion was who is going to back up DD, not who was going to be the starting RB for the Texans. I don't think the Texans will meet the Saints asking price if they intend to not make Bennett the second string back.
 
The real question is when does Lundy supplant Dom Davis at the #1????
Okay, I'll play along. What happened to this kid? I remember that name getting buzz 2-3 years ago. He sure fizzelled out. Injuries? Dedication? Trouble? What happened to Wali?
I'm not sure. Injuries ring a bell, but I can't say. Maybe someone else can help us? What I do know is that he holds the ACC record for number of TDs. That's crazy.
Here are two pre-draft and one post-draft assessment of Lundy. To answer the question, seems he did have some injury issues and fumbling problems.Pros: A tough runner between the tackles with the quickness, vision, power and speed to get to the second level and make big yardage after contact. He displays the toughness and perseverance to rehab from injuries and get back on the field and continue to produce. A compact, strong runner with a powerful lower body that helps him run through tackles and consistently move the pile. He can bounce outside and turn the corner, but lacks breakaway ability . With some development, he has potential to start early in his career as a third-down back. Has the quick burst to hit the opening between the tackles and follow his blockers in the open field.

Cons: He has suffered repeated minor injuries that have forced him out of the starting lineup and limited his number of touches. Over his career, he carried a total of 742 times, a respectable amount but not the workload of a full-time four-year starter. He must show he can hold up as a pro to compete for playing time. As a receiver, he shows excellent hands and precise route-running with a sense of timing.

Numbers: As a senior, he played in 11 games and had 144 carries for 574 yards with 4 yards-per-carry average, 10 TDs, with 15 receptions for 62 yards and 1 TD. At the Combine, he ran 4.45 and 4.55 times with 18 reps in lifting, a 35-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump. He impressed in the agility and pass-catching drills.

Strengths:

A natural runner with good vision and instincts...Tough and runs hard between the tackles...Excels in short-yardage situations...Versatile...Does a nice job in pass pro...Good body control and lean...Can catch the ball out of the backfield.

Weaknesses:

Does not have the timed speed you look for...Lacks quickness and a burst...Will not break many tackles or create in the open field...Struggles to get outside...Has some durability concerns...Probably doesn't have a lot of upside or potential.

Notes:

Has a tremendous nose for the endzone and scored 43 touchdowns...The type who does everything well but nothing great...Probably profiles as more of a backup but could carve a niche for himself, especially down around the goaline.

Positives

The Denver coaching staff, of which new head coach Gary Kubiak and offensive coordinator Troy Calhoun were a part of, have a fantastic record of drafting late round running backs. Lundy is a hard worker who has a nose for the end zone, hits the crease well and is a patient runner. Pre draft opinion compared him frequently to Mike Anderson, who excelled in the Denver system. Will probably contend for the goal line back if he makes the roster, giving him instant value if he won this role. He holds the ACC record for most rushing touchdowns.

Negatives

Not a lock to make the roster, especially since the free agent acquisition of Antowain Smith. Lacks speed and had fumbling problems which resulted in tough task master Al Groh benching him at Virginia. Compared unfavorably to Alvin Pearman, who came out for the 2005 draft and struggled at Jacksonville. Not a brilliant receiver who frequently lacks aggression when running and goes down too easily for a back his size. Has had a turbulent upbringing.

Outlook

Needs to make the roster first and as a 6th round pick that's not a sure thing. With the acquisition of Antowain Smith his chance to become a goal line back took a hit. At this stage of his career that may be his best opportunity to grab a roster spot. It’s doubtful he becomes a full time starter this year or any year, but the coaching staff have often turned coal into diamonds. Lundy is someone to pay careful attention to in preseason.

 
I aslo agree that Bennett is a non factor unless DD is hurt but that was the point of this entire thread. The discussion was who is going to back up DD, not who was going to be the starting RB for the Texans. I don't think the Texans will meet the Saints asking price if they intend to not make Bennett the second string back.
How did we end up agreeing? That wasn't supposed to happen. ;) I do agree that Bennett isn't going to be traded. At this point, it is obvious that they must be far apart and NO is just hoping that a situation arises where Bennett can be traded for a pick instead of a player. Maybe NO wants to hang onto Bennett to keep him for next year and beyond as the backup, i.e. trade McAllister? Bennett's contract is very reasonable for a backup, but they might suck it up for this year to give them more flexibility to trade McAllister once 100% healthy.

 
Where's Jonathan Wells now? I dont understand why he doesnt get more love. It seems every time he filled in for Davis he got 100 yds and a TD.
Guys, can we get back to reality here? Wells has done close to nothing in his career.Jonathan Wells has a career total of one 100 yard rushing game in his career of 60 games. He also has a stellar 3.1 career ypc average.

DD in only 40 games, has ten 100 yard rushing games along with five 90+ yard rushing games to go along with a 4.1 ypc average with the exact same O-Line/team. Not to mention that in terms of total yardage, DD has 100 total yards in 24 of 40 games to Wells' 4 times in 60 games.

Wells best game was 133 yards, which DD has bested 13 times in 20 fewer games and DD's best is 201. DD even has 10 150+ total yard games, meaning 1 of every 4 games DD has played he has 150-200 yards a plateau that Wells never got to in his 4 years.
These are the 4 games Wells replaced Davis in:Week 9 @JAC 16.10 Jonathan Wells 7 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 56 total yards rushing (5.60 pts)

Jonathan Wells 45 yards receiving (4.50 pts)

Week 10 @IND 13.50 Jonathan Wells 14 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 58 total yards rushing (5.80 pts)

Jonathan Wells 17 yards receiving (1.70 pts)

Playoff Week 2 ARI 21.80 Jonathan Wells 7 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 3 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 87 total yards rushing (8.70 pts)

Jonathan Wells 11 yards receiving (1.10 pts)

Playoff Week 3 JAC 11.90 Jonathan Wells 86 total yards rushing (8.60 pts)

Jonathan Wells 33 yards receiving (3.30 pts)

 
HOU signed Antowain Smith to be a backup to Dom Davis, shaking up the entire HOU backup scheme. Who takes it if DD goes down?

Problems:

Antowain Smith is 34 and a good season is long past him

coach has said that Morency is not a good zone blocking runner

W.Lundy is just a rookie

looking at these...who gets the ball?
Morency by a landslide. That guy is absolutely money in the bank if DD goes down.
 
Texans | D. Davis still struggling with knee injury

Published Fri Jun 23 7:56:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Megan Manfull, writing for the Sporting News, reports Houston Texans RB Domanick Davis (knee) is still stuggling with his return from knee surgery. Davis has spent the offseason focusing only on rehab. He was expected to participate in the team's minicamps, but after only one walk through, Davis' knee swelled up again. There is some thought this could be an ongoing issue for Davis.

 
Texans | D. Davis still struggling with knee injury

Published Fri Jun 23 7:56:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Megan Manfull, writing for the Sporting News, reports Houston Texans RB Domanick Davis (knee) is still stuggling with his return from knee surgery. Davis has spent the offseason focusing only on rehab. He was expected to participate in the team's minicamps, but after only one walk through, Davis' knee swelled up again. There is some thought this could be an ongoing issue for Davis.
the swelling up during minicamp isn't new, has he gone through another setback since then?
 
Texans | D. Davis still struggling with knee injury

Published Fri Jun 23 7:56:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Megan Manfull, writing for the Sporting News, reports Houston Texans RB Domanick Davis (knee) is still stuggling with his return from knee surgery. Davis has spent the offseason focusing only on rehab. He was expected to participate in the team's minicamps, but after only one walk through, Davis' knee swelled up again. There is some thought this could be an ongoing issue for Davis.
the swelling up during minicamp isn't new, has he gone through another setback since then?
I agree in that I remember this same reporter having a similar story a couple of weeks ago. But, this blurb is dated just a couple of hours ago.
 
Where's Jonathan Wells now? I dont understand why he doesnt get more love. It seems every time he filled in for Davis he got 100 yds and a TD.
Guys, can we get back to reality here? Wells has done close to nothing in his career.Jonathan Wells has a career total of one 100 yard rushing game in his career of 60 games. He also has a stellar 3.1 career ypc average.

DD in only 40 games, has ten 100 yard rushing games along with five 90+ yard rushing games to go along with a 4.1 ypc average with the exact same O-Line/team. Not to mention that in terms of total yardage, DD has 100 total yards in 24 of 40 games to Wells' 4 times in 60 games.

Wells best game was 133 yards, which DD has bested 13 times in 20 fewer games and DD's best is 201. DD even has 10 150+ total yard games, meaning 1 of every 4 games DD has played he has 150-200 yards a plateau that Wells never got to in his 4 years.
These are the 4 games Wells replaced Davis in:Week 9 @JAC 16.10 Jonathan Wells 7 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 56 total yards rushing (5.60 pts)

Jonathan Wells 45 yards receiving (4.50 pts)

Week 10 @IND 13.50 Jonathan Wells 14 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 58 total yards rushing (5.80 pts)

Jonathan Wells 17 yards receiving (1.70 pts)

Playoff Week 2 ARI 21.80 Jonathan Wells 7 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 3 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 87 total yards rushing (8.70 pts)

Jonathan Wells 11 yards receiving (1.10 pts)

Playoff Week 3 JAC 11.90 Jonathan Wells 86 total yards rushing (8.60 pts)

Jonathan Wells 33 yards receiving (3.30 pts)
Hey, I never said he didn't get fantasy points. In another thread, I mentioned that if you had DD and Wells as a really cheap handcuff, you had the #6/7 RB overall last year. Wells has a 3.1 ypc career average. No matter how you spin it, he has been an OK backup here and there and that is about it.Also, do you realize that the 87 and 86 yard games you posted above are his #3 and #4 best games in his illustrious 4 year, 60 game career? It also took him 59 carries to get those 173 yards or 2.9 ypc. Color me not impressed.

Just for fun, I will put up DD's Week 13 and 14 games, which happen to be the 2 weeks right before the Wells games in Week 15 and 16. DD had 61 carries, so just 2 more than Wells' 59 carries.

Baltimore - Week 13

29 rushes for 155 yards, 3 receptions for 16 yards.

Tennessee - Week 14

22 rushes for 139 yards, 7 receptions for 50 yards and 1 TD.

So in 59 carries Wells got 173 yards and DD in 61 carries had 291 yards. Not saying DD is the most talented RB in the league, but I can see why you want to be cautious with DD in the offseason and why you don't need to re-sign Wells. I would rather groom Morency and a couple other younger RBs.

 
Where's Jonathan Wells now? I dont understand why he doesnt get more love. It seems every time he filled in for Davis he got 100 yds and a TD.
Guys, can we get back to reality here? Wells has done close to nothing in his career.Jonathan Wells has a career total of one 100 yard rushing game in his career of 60 games. He also has a stellar 3.1 career ypc average.

DD in only 40 games, has ten 100 yard rushing games along with five 90+ yard rushing games to go along with a 4.1 ypc average with the exact same O-Line/team. Not to mention that in terms of total yardage, DD has 100 total yards in 24 of 40 games to Wells' 4 times in 60 games.

Wells best game was 133 yards, which DD has bested 13 times in 20 fewer games and DD's best is 201. DD even has 10 150+ total yard games, meaning 1 of every 4 games DD has played he has 150-200 yards a plateau that Wells never got to in his 4 years.
These are the 4 games Wells replaced Davis in:Week 9 @JAC 16.10 Jonathan Wells 7 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 56 total yards rushing (5.60 pts)

Jonathan Wells 45 yards receiving (4.50 pts)

Week 10 @IND 13.50 Jonathan Wells 14 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 58 total yards rushing (5.80 pts)

Jonathan Wells 17 yards receiving (1.70 pts)

Playoff Week 2 ARI 21.80 Jonathan Wells 7 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 3 yard touchdown run (6.00 pts)

Jonathan Wells 87 total yards rushing (8.70 pts)

Jonathan Wells 11 yards receiving (1.10 pts)

Playoff Week 3 JAC 11.90 Jonathan Wells 86 total yards rushing (8.60 pts)

Jonathan Wells 33 yards receiving (3.30 pts)
Hey, I never said he didn't get fantasy points.
I think you mised his point that he had more than 100 yards in all four games and TDs in three of them.
 
Ron_Mexico said:
Lundy looked extremely sharp this weekend.I predict he will be the #2 option in Houston very soon.
We'll see. Should get an extended look at Morency this coming weekend.Lundy looked good, but people need to realize that this team is seriously going to be just like Denver. Plug any RB in and watch them accumulate stats.
 
Either:

1.) it's still too early

2.) Lundy is still staying just under the radar, or

3.) there is still too much uncertainty in DD's health & the #2 RB position, but ...

I just watched both Lundy & Morency go undrafted in a relatively competitive 16-round draft held here today in Houston ... start 2RB, no PPR. DD was drafted 3.03. I'm going to be closely watching pre-season game #2 with everybody else before dumping C. Perry / M. Moore for the Houston #2RB.

TOADS

 
Any Houston locals can give us a feel for the vibe out of camp on Domanick Davis??

His knee hurts -- the coaches have told him basically, "RBs knees are supposed to hurt -- you have to play though it..."

How has Davis responded to this?

Is he practicing hard? Looking good in camp, or sitting out nursing his knee? If he sits out of camp/preseason games, does he still have the #1 job come opening week? Or is he in danger of losing his job?

 
Ron_Mexico said:
Lundy looked extremely sharp this weekend.I predict he will be the #2 option in Houston very soon.
We'll see. Should get an extended look at Morency this coming weekend.Lundy looked good, but people need to realize that this team is seriously going to be just like Denver. Plug any RB in and watch them accumulate stats.
I don't know about that one. Yeah, Houston's O-line is greatly improved, but it's definitely not as good as Denver's at this point. And plus, it could take some time for everyone (the o-line, rb's, qb, etc.) to learn Houston's new offense.Granted, I do think their running game will be improved, but I don't think you can compare it to Denver's just yet.
 
Any Houston locals can give us a feel for the vibe out of camp on Domanick Davis??His knee hurts -- the coaches have told him basically, "RBs knees are supposed to hurt -- you have to play though it..."How has Davis responded to this?Is he practicing hard? Looking good in camp, or sitting out nursing his knee? If he sits out of camp/preseason games, does he still have the #1 job come opening week? Or is he in danger of losing his job?
He has no practiced since about the third day of camp. My understanding is that he won't participate in any contact drills and probably not any games until the regular season. He is the definite number 1 RB as long as he can line-up.
 
Smith is the backup, even if no one here wants to hear it...

Lundi is a 6th Round pick. Every player taken by Shanahan and Kubiak in the 6th are NOT Terell Davis!

Smith, not sexy, but will keep the chains moving and the QB upright...

 
Smith is the backup, even if no one here wants to hear it...Lundi is a 6th Round pick. Every player taken by Shanahan and Kubiak in the 6th are NOT Terell Davis!Smith, not sexy, but will keep the chains moving and the QB upright...
Nobody is saying Lundy is TD. People are excited by what Lundy has shown in ONE preseason game and the subtle buzz that's built for the player leading up to his nice numbers this week. A. Smith is one year older and has never been anything to write home about. Behind the same OL (I believe), Lundy considerably outproduced Smith so I think even if the depth chart reads A. Smith RB2 RIGHT NOW, it won't be that way long at this pace.There's something building here. It's intangible and you can't put your finger on it, but a lot of fantasy vets and their asscociated "spidey sense" is going bananas for Lundy. At least mine is.Nothing more than a sleeper, true. But, IMO, he's certainly more exciting and flier worthy than A. Smith at this point.
 
Ron_Mexico said:
Lundy looked extremely sharp this weekend.

I predict he will be the #2 option in Houston very soon.
We'll see. Should get an extended look at Morency this coming weekend.Lundy looked good, but people need to realize that this team is seriously going to be just like Denver. Plug any RB in and watch them accumulate stats.
I don't know about that one. Yeah, Houston's O-line is greatly improved, but it's definitely not as good as Denver's at this point. And plus, it could take some time for everyone (the o-line, rb's, qb, etc.) to learn Houston's new offense.Granted, I do think their running game will be improved, but I don't think you can compare it to Denver's just yet.
They aren't there yet, but they are getting there. Ranked 15th in rushing offense last year, I expect us to improve into top 10 if the passing game can be anywhere near decent.I agree here

Edit: Oh yeah, the hype is out. Lundy went in the early 8th round of an initial dynasty draft yesterday that I'm in. Before Mike Bell of all people! In another league a guy was trying to trade me Lundy for Ernest Wilford the last week and immediately retracted Saturday night and now wants my 1st round pick next year.

 
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There's something building here. It's intangible and you can't put your finger on it, but a lot of fantasy vets and their asscociated "spidey sense" is going bananas for Lundy. At least mine is.Nothing more than a sleeper, true. But, IMO, he's certainly more exciting and flier worthy than A. Smith at this point.
I agreeIf DD cannot go all year I think Morency or Lundy will get the call. Maybe RBBC. To me Smith has no FF value.
 
Something to consider in the Morency/Lundy debate is that Lundy was brought in by the current regime, while Morency is a holdover.

Not to say that Morency isn't talented in his own right (as he certainly appears to be), but don't underestimate the effect of a coach preferring his own guy.

 

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