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How The T.O. Saga Will Play (1 Viewer)

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This is from the T.0. to Chicago thread but it's a more general thing and thought it might be fun to track it in it's own thread.

Here's how I see the T.O. saga playing out.

I think whoever signs TO this time around is going to get a great bargain. His past actions will allow a team to sign him to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract that will help keep him in line and keep him motivated to produce.

This report was discussed in depth on ESPN Radio yesterday. The Bears denied it by saying that "it would be considered tampering". But, the Eagles have already given permission to Owens and Drew Rosenhaus to seek a trade, so the meeting would be perfectly permissible. Everybody who the station called to try and confirm the report (including the restaurant where they were seen), responded that they "could not confirm or deny" it. So, it certainly seems like this definitely happened, but its also likely that Owens is having these kinds of meetings with GMs all over the league right now.

I'm not sure he'd be a great fit in Chicago personality wise, but he would certainly give the Bears a much more explosive offense. And, if he ever got out of line, I'm sure Olin Kreutz could smack him around a little bit.
Exactly Aaron.Not sure if it'll be Chicago but this is how it'll start.

And then it plays along like this:

First thing to be identified will be "the problem" that is now solved. From SF to PHI, it was the QB. Now in Donovan, he had the QB he'd always wanted.

I'm guessing the "problem" now will be the lack of respect from PHI and how they didn't appreciate him risking his career playing hurt. Expect to see how happy and at peace he is now that he's finally playing for a classy organization that respects their players. It's all he's ever really wanted....

Second point will be "the final piece of the puzzle". The talking points will be what a fantastic team XXXX is and he just hopes he can help "put them over the top". The more sense that makes with the team, the more likely it'll be to happen. Lots of sense in Chicago for example. Not much sense in Oakland.

The third item will be how he's learned and matured. Expect to never see the defiant TO at the Eagles press conference but see a ton of replay of the humble T.O. at the "next question" press conference at his house. He learned from the past (probably won't say mistakes) and now is ready to finish his career helping a team that really wants him win a Super Bowl.

Mark it down.

J

 
I know the cap would make a TO signing tough to do, but I keep thinking KC would be a good fit in many ways.Owens would hate living there, but I'm not sure he can be too picky at this point.

 
One more - When it's all said and done, he'll be a HUGE help in 2006 to the team that signs him.

J

 
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I know the cap would make a TO signing tough to do, but I keep thinking KC would be a good fit in many ways.

Owens would hate living there, but I'm not sure he can be too picky at this point.
that would be a sick offense.
 
This is from the T.0. to Chicago thread but it's a more general thing and thought it might be fun to track it in it's own thread.

Here's how I see the T.O. saga playing out.

I think whoever signs TO this time around is going to get a great bargain. His past actions will allow a team to sign him to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract that will help keep him in line and keep him motivated to produce.

This report was discussed in depth on ESPN Radio yesterday. The Bears denied it by saying that "it would be considered tampering". But, the Eagles have already given permission to Owens and Drew Rosenhaus to seek a trade, so the meeting would be perfectly permissible. Everybody who the station called to try and confirm the report (including the restaurant where they were seen), responded that they "could not confirm or deny" it. So, it certainly seems like this definitely happened, but its also likely that Owens is having these kinds of meetings with GMs all over the league right now.

I'm not sure he'd be a great fit in Chicago personality wise, but he would certainly give the Bears a much more explosive offense. And, if he ever got out of line, I'm sure Olin Kreutz could smack him around a little bit.
Exactly Aaron.Not sure if it'll be Chicago but this is how it'll start.

And then it plays along like this:

First thing to be identified will be "the problem" that is now solved. From SF to PHI, it was the QB. Now in Donovan, he had the QB he'd always wanted.

I'm guessing the "problem" now will be the lack of respect from PHI and how they didn't appreciate him risking his career playing hurt. Expect to see how happy and at peace he is now that he's finally playing for a classy organization that respects their players. It's all he's ever really wanted....

Second point will be "the final piece of the puzzle". The talking points will be what a fantastic team XXXX is and he just hopes he can help "put them over the top". The more sense that makes with the team, the more likely it'll be to happen. Lots of sense in Chicago for example. Not much sense in Oakland.

The third item will be how he's learned and matured. Expect to never see the defiant TO at the Eagles press conference but see a ton of replay of the humble T.O. at the "next question" press conference at his house. He learned from the past (probably won't say mistakes) and now is ready to finish his career helping a team that really wants him win a Super Bowl.

Mark it down.

J
The fourth item will be TO getting hurt half way through his new team's playoff run. Thus killing his new team's and fantasy owner's seasons.
 
I know the cap would make a TO signing tough to do, but I keep thinking KC would be a good fit in many ways.

Owens would hate living there, but I'm not sure he can be too picky at this point.
that would be a sick offense.
Vermiel might send Herm back to NY in that situation.... ;) J

 
Agreed on all fronts. Although personally I think he'll sign at least a 2-year deal with the "understanding" that if he plays up to his potential, he wants more $$$$ in 2007.

My early pick...Green Bay. TO knows the offense inside and out [McCarthy is going to run a "traditiona" WCO], would be a "help me win now" player that Favre is no doubt going to demand if he stays, and...Let's not forget that the Packers have brought in Andre Rison and Terry Glenn [admittedly a different GM running the show], and Thompson is no stranger to second chances, having been in Seattle during the Koren Robinson years.

 
I know the cap would make a TO signing tough to do, but I keep thinking KC would be a good fit in many ways.

Owens would hate living there, but I'm not sure he can be too picky at this point.
that would be a sick offense.
Vermiel might send Herm back to NY in that situation.... ;) J
Heh, he might want to, but I think Herm is the kind of coach necessary for Owens at this point. I have a feeling that Vermiel might get too emotional at some point. ;)

 
One more - When it's all said and done, he'll be a HUGE help in 2006 to the team that signs him.

J
I agree total, but I think someone will over bid for him and getting him won't be cheap. Let's not forget who his agent is. ;)
 
I actually agree with Joe and Aaron that he will come rather cheaply (relatively speaking). He doesnt have much leverage right now. Last year had to be pretty humbling. If he is working a trade, then the team will have to pick up this years contract which is about $8.75 million (guaranteed). I'm not sure what the rest of the contract looks like. That is why I think a trade is highly unlikely.I could see TO getting $6-7 million up front for a 2 year deal that totals about $9-10 million.

 
Agreed on all fronts. Although personally I think he'll sign at least a 2-year deal with the "understanding" that if he plays up to his potential, he wants more $$$$ in 2007.

My early pick...Green Bay. TO knows the offense inside and out [McCarthy is going to run a "traditiona" WCO], would be a "help me win now" player that Favre is no doubt going to demand if he stays, and...Let's not forget that the Packers have brought in Andre Rison and Terry Glenn [admittedly a different GM running the show], and Thompson is no stranger to second chances, having been in Seattle during the Koren Robinson years.
I could see some contract escalators being used to bump up his salary in year 2 if he and/or the team meets certain incentives in year 1.As for Green Bay, aren't they already pretty set at WR with Walker and Driver in place? Given their cap problems, uncertainty at RB, and issues on defense, I don't think Owens would be a big priority there. I also think Owens would walk all over a rookie coach like McCarthy.

 
Agreed on all fronts. Although personally I think he'll sign at least a 2-year deal with the "understanding" that if he plays up to his potential, he wants more $$$$ in 2007.

My early pick...Green Bay. TO knows the offense inside and out [McCarthy is going to run a "traditiona" WCO], would be a "help me win now" player that Favre is no doubt going to demand if he stays, and...Let's not forget that the Packers have brought in Andre Rison and Terry Glenn [admittedly a different GM running the show], and Thompson is no stranger to second chances, having been in Seattle during the Koren Robinson years.
I could see some contract escalators being used to bump up his salary in year 2 if he and/or the team meets certain incentives in year 1.As for Green Bay, aren't they already pretty set at WR with Walker and Driver in place? Given their cap problems, uncertainty at RB, and issues on defense, I don't think Owens would be a big priority there. I also think Owens would walk all over a rookie coach like McCarthy.
I think the Packers are in disarray, to be clear. In fact, I honestly believe that wherever TO signs in 2006 is going to have some material internal issues. It will take a special kind of desperation [or bravado] for a GM/coach to convince themselves that this time it will be different. You know the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you...Fool me twice, shame on me."
 
Agreed on all fronts. Although personally I think he'll sign at least a 2-year deal with the "understanding" that if he plays up to his potential, he wants more $$$$ in 2007.

My early pick...Green Bay. TO knows the offense inside and out [McCarthy is going to run a "traditiona" WCO], would be a "help me win now" player that Favre is no doubt going to demand if he stays, and...Let's not forget that the Packers have brought in Andre Rison and Terry Glenn [admittedly a different GM running the show], and Thompson is no stranger to second chances, having been in Seattle during the Koren Robinson years.
I could see some contract escalators being used to bump up his salary in year 2 if he and/or the team meets certain incentives in year 1.As for Green Bay, aren't they already pretty set at WR with Walker and Driver in place? Given their cap problems, uncertainty at RB, and issues on defense, I don't think Owens would be a big priority there. I also think Owens would walk all over a rookie coach like McCarthy.
He might walk over a rookie coach, but he certainly would walk over a 'rookie' QB. Unless Favre is definitely coming back, I think TO to Green Bay would be a very bad idea for the future of the franchise.
 
I actually agree with Joe and Aaron that he will come rather cheaply (relatively speaking). He doesnt have much leverage right now. Last year had to be pretty humbling. If he is working a trade, then the team will have to pick up this years contract which is about $8.75 million (guaranteed). I'm not sure what the rest of the contract looks like. That is why I think a trade is highly unlikely.

I could see TO getting $6-7 million up front for a 2 year deal that totals about $9-10 million.
no way anybody trades for him. he's due a couple huge bonuses in March so he'll be dumped before then. I think GMs like Angelo are taking advantage of his permission to seek a trade to meet with him now so they can decide how badly they want to pursue him when he becomes available.
 
Agreed on all fronts. Although personally I think he'll sign at least a 2-year deal with the "understanding" that if he plays up to his potential, he wants more $$$$ in 2007.

My early pick...Green Bay. TO knows the offense inside and out [McCarthy is going to run a "traditiona" WCO], would be a "help me win now" player that Favre is no doubt going to demand if he stays, and...Let's not forget that the Packers have brought in Andre Rison and Terry Glenn [admittedly a different GM running the show], and Thompson is no stranger to second chances, having been in Seattle during the Koren Robinson years.
Yes Jason. Can easily see that.The quickly closing window of opportunity would drive that move. "Give Favre what he needs to ride off into the sunset with another ring" would be a huge selling point. I should be an agent.

J

 
T.O may very well put up numbers next season, but frankly I'm shocked people still feel he's capable of some cathartic improvement to his personality. I've rarely been as confident as I am saying the moment he has a couple big games the rah-rah team will fall by the wayside and every comment out of his mouth will hint as to how it's a joke that he got an incentive laden contract given how obviously skilled he is. If the guy is still a jerk at 32, he always will be.

 
Agreed on all fronts. Although personally I think he'll sign at least a 2-year deal with the "understanding" that if he plays up to his potential, he wants more $$$$ in 2007.

My early pick...Green Bay. TO knows the offense inside and out [McCarthy is going to run a "traditiona" WCO], would be a "help me win now" player that Favre is no doubt going to demand if he stays, and...Let's not forget that the Packers have brought in Andre Rison and Terry Glenn [admittedly a different GM running the show], and Thompson is no stranger to second chances, having been in Seattle during the Koren Robinson years.
I could see some contract escalators being used to bump up his salary in year 2 if he and/or the team meets certain incentives in year 1.As for Green Bay, aren't they already pretty set at WR with Walker and Driver in place? Given their cap problems, uncertainty at RB, and issues on defense, I don't think Owens would be a big priority there. I also think Owens would walk all over a rookie coach like McCarthy.
I think the Packers are in disarray, to be clear. In fact, I honestly believe that wherever TO signs in 2006 is going to have some material internal issues. It will take a special kind of desperation [or bravado] for a GM/coach to convince themselves that this time it will be different. You know the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you...Fool me twice, shame on me."
Agreed, Jason. A guy like Thompson is under a ton of pressure here. Letting a pretty decent guy in Sherman go. I think everyone saw pretty clearly it was a power struggle that Thompson won.He must look good here. Every GM obviously wants to win but if there's a GM in the league that absolutely positively is dying to win at all costs this year, I think Thompson is the man.

And that's the kind of urgency that will be necessary to make a team roll the dice on T.O.

J

 
T.O may very well put up numbers next season, but frankly I'm shocked people still feel he's capable of some cathartic improvement to his personality. I've rarely been as confident as I am saying the moment he has a couple big games the rah-rah team will fall by the wayside and every comment out of his mouth will hint as to how it's a joke that he got an incentive laden contract given how obviously skilled he is. If the guy is still a jerk at 32, he always will be.
Hi Jim,My favorite Jimmy Johnson quote: "I'd sign Charles Manson if he could run a 4.3 40". :yes:

J

 
Chargers.I really don't know what the reply is to how it will play out. I have read and reread the first post and I'm trying to "get" what you are predicting.Any way to clarify??I wish he'd come to the JETS, but don't see it w/ Mangini there now.Chargers, in a suprise!

 
It would be scary to see what Gruden could do with him in Tampa. You all must admit, Simms throws a great deep ball. With a healthy Galloway and Clayton this could become the most explosive offense in the league over night.

 
I kinda mentioned this weeks ago...But whatever team gets TO, will indeed get a bargain. I think that TO has learned his lesson after all of this. He wants to play. He's burned two bridges already, and a third time will mean the end of his career. Count on it. He sees the writing on the wall. If a team takes a risk on TO, they will make it abundantly clear to him that any shennanigans, and he's gone.I think he's also seriously hurt his chances of a long-term, big $$ contract, too. He still has a number of years in him, that's for sure. But for now, I can see a team trying him out for a year to see how it works (and keeping him on a one year, MAAAAAAAYBE two year contract). If he can prove that he's changed his ways, and is a "team player," THEN that team might give him a shot at a longer contract. But I'll bet there will be a LOT of clauses in it concerning conduct, to protect the team. I also wouldn't be surprised if it's incentive-heavy...

 
Chargers.

I really don't know what the reply is to how it will play out. I have read and reread the first post and I'm trying to "get" what you are predicting.

Any way to clarify??

I wish he'd come to the JETS, but don't see it w/ Mangini there now.

Chargers, in a suprise!
It would be scary to see what Gruden could do with him in Tampa.

You all must admit, Simms throws a great deep ball. With a healthy Galloway and Clayton this could become the most explosive offense in the league over night.
It's turned into a fantasy thread for homers.
 
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I am one of the few that think Nick Saban wasn't just talking hypothetically when he said he could handle T.O.I know, I know... a lot of the Dolphin players don't want him there, but how many wanted Ricky Williams in the locker room so many moons ago?I know it's old and tired, but I actually think that Nick Saban could be the man to control T.O. not only because I have faith in him as a coach, but also because T.O. is finally going to realize: this is it... this is my last shot.Early Prediction: T.O. in Aqua and Orange.

 
This is from the T.0. to Chicago thread but it's a more general thing and thought it might be fun to track it in it's own thread.

Here's how I see the T.O. saga playing out.

I think whoever signs TO this time around is going to get a great bargain. His past actions will allow a team to sign him to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract that will help keep him in line and keep him motivated to produce.

This report was discussed in depth on ESPN Radio yesterday. The Bears denied it by saying that "it would be considered tampering". But, the Eagles have already given permission to Owens and Drew Rosenhaus to seek a trade, so the meeting would be perfectly permissible. Everybody who the station called to try and confirm the report (including the restaurant where they were seen), responded that they "could not confirm or deny" it. So, it certainly seems like this definitely happened, but its also likely that Owens is having these kinds of meetings with GMs all over the league right now.

I'm not sure he'd be a great fit in Chicago personality wise, but he would certainly give the Bears a much more explosive offense. And, if he ever got out of line, I'm sure Olin Kreutz could smack him around a little bit.
Exactly Aaron.Not sure if it'll be Chicago but this is how it'll start.

And then it plays along like this:

First thing to be identified will be "the problem" that is now solved. From SF to PHI, it was the QB. Now in Donovan, he had the QB he'd always wanted.

I'm guessing the "problem" now will be the lack of respect from PHI and how they didn't appreciate him risking his career playing hurt. Expect to see how happy and at peace he is now that he's finally playing for a classy organization that respects their players. It's all he's ever really wanted....

Second point will be "the final piece of the puzzle". The talking points will be what a fantastic team XXXX is and he just hopes he can help "put them over the top". The more sense that makes with the team, the more likely it'll be to happen. Lots of sense in Chicago for example. Not much sense in Oakland.

The third item will be how he's learned and matured. Expect to never see the defiant TO at the Eagles press conference but see a ton of replay of the humble T.O. at the "next question" press conference at his house. He learned from the past (probably won't say mistakes) and now is ready to finish his career helping a team that really wants him win a Super Bowl.

Mark it down.

J
IMHO you've perfectly described the press conference announcing his signing and the first six weeks of the season. Thereafter, it'll be SF and Philly all over again, growing over time.
 
In order for the Chiefs to get in the mix, they need to determine what the status is with Roaf & Shields. $10M for 2 seasons for Owens is a bargain, especially since 07 has a chance of being an uncapped year.

 
Anyone who thinks TO has learned from his mistakes and that things will be different this time around is simply kidding themselves. The real question is, what team can handle his antics without it being too much of a distraction?I would say that whoever takes a chance on him would need to have a strong head coach and a veteran QB in place. The coach to keep him under wraps, the QB to brush it off and fire back when he spouts off.Edited to add that it obviously didn't help much in Philly, but imagine how much worse it could get with a lesser coach and QB.

 
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I would say that whoever takes a chance on him would need to have a strong head coach and a veteran QB in place. The coach to keep him under wraps, the QB to brush it off and fire back when he spouts off.
How about another shot in SF? :excited:
 
Agreed on all fronts. Although personally I think he'll sign at least a 2-year deal with the "understanding" that if he plays up to his potential, he wants more $$$$ in 2007.

My early pick...Green Bay. TO knows the offense inside and out [McCarthy is going to run a "traditiona" WCO], would be a "help me win now" player that Favre is no doubt going to demand if he stays, and...Let's not forget that the Packers have brought in Andre Rison and Terry Glenn [admittedly a different GM running the show], and Thompson is no stranger to second chances, having been in Seattle during the Koren Robinson years.
I could see some contract escalators being used to bump up his salary in year 2 if he and/or the team meets certain incentives in year 1.As for Green Bay, aren't they already pretty set at WR with Walker and Driver in place? Given their cap problems, uncertainty at RB, and issues on defense, I don't think Owens would be a big priority there. I also think Owens would walk all over a rookie coach like McCarthy.
Just a small point of clarification---the Packers are actually in great shape in terms of the salary cap for next year. The last figure I heard was around 21 million under the projected cap. Whether or not TO would be a good fit even if they have money is another question entirely, though. I personally wouldn't want to see it happen. His antics aren't worth it IMO.
 
In order for the Chiefs to get in the mix, they need to determine what the status is with Roaf & Shields.

$10M for 2 seasons for Owens is a bargain, especially since 07 has a chance of being an uncapped year.
Owens would play in Kansas City for sure. Trent Green is a good enough QB that he'll get the ball plenty, and Eddie Kennison has done an admirable job but is miscast as the #1. Teams I think could sign TO next year include:

Dallas -- Parcells has the ego to control TO [and the resume], Jones would spend the money, Owens could stay in the division to prove Philly wrong, the Cowboys want to "win now" with Bledsoe and Parcells on their latter legs

Denver -- Needs a WR, it's a WC offense, Shanny has the ego to think he can control TO where others couldn't, they are a contender
Green Bay -- For the reasons I've already stated
Kansas City -- Herm was open to bringing TO aboard two years ago, there's a need, the team is aging so it's a bit of "win now" at play
Miami -- Saban is a disciplinarian and has the ego to convince himself that "it will be different." Don't think he didn't see Corey Dillon act the model citizen in NE with his buddy and then see Ricky Will under him last year and think otherwise
Oakland -- I don't think TO is a good fit here, but with Al Davis, you never count anything out
Tampa Bay -- Gruden has the ego, Galloway is getting old, Simms throws a nice deep ball, they're a contender
Washington -- Not sure if Gibbs would put up with him, but Snyder would spend the money, Owens would like staying in the division, and they need another WR
 
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In order for the Chiefs to get in the mix, they need to determine what the status is with Roaf & Shields.

$10M for 2 seasons for Owens is a bargain, especially since 07 has a chance of being an uncapped year.
Owens would play in Kansas City for sure. Trent Green is a good enough QB that he'll get the ball plenty, and Eddie Kennison has done an admirable job but is miscast as the #1. Teams I think could sign TO next year include:

Dallas -- Parcells has the ego to control TO [and the resume], Jones would spend the money, Owens could stay in the division to prove Philly wrong, the Cowboys want to "win now" with Bledsoe and Parcells on their latter legs

Denver -- Needs a WR, it's a WC offense, Shanny has the ego to think he can control TO where others couldn't, they are a contender
Green Bay -- For the reasons I've already stated
Kansas City -- Herm was open to bringing TO aboard two years ago, there's a need, the team is aging so it's a bit of "win now" at play
Miami -- Saban is a disciplinarian and has the ego to convince himself that "it will be different." Don't think he didn't see Corey Dillon act the model citizen in NE with his buddy and then see Ricky Will under him last year and think otherwise
Oakland -- I don't think TO is a good fit here, but with Al Davis, you never count anything out
Tampa Bay -- Gruden has the ego, Galloway is getting old, Simms throws a nice deep ball, they're a contender
Washington -- Not sure if Gibbs would put up with him, but Snyder would spend the money, Owens would like staying in the division, and they need another WR
Not sure of the cap situation but I would think that Jax could also be a destination. Jimmy Smith isn't getting any younger and there is no one else to fill the shoes of a #1 (despite all the Matt Jones love on the board). Del Rio is a strong coach possibly capable of keeping him in line...
 
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I kinda mentioned this weeks ago...

But whatever team gets TO, will indeed get a bargain. I think that TO has learned his lesson after all of this. He wants to play. He's burned two bridges already, and a third time will mean the end of his career. Count on it. He sees the writing on the wall.
I don't think he's learned that. TO is an egomaniac. He's a helluva player. He believes as long as he can produce at his level that he can keep pulling this crap. Don't be surprised if he burns another bridge. The only thing that might humble him is not being in the spotlight. He craves that over all else. And that got taken off him in a blaze of glory.

 
In order for the Chiefs to get in the mix, they need to determine what the status is with Roaf & Shields.

$10M for 2 seasons for Owens is a bargain, especially since 07 has a chance of being an uncapped year.
Owens would play in Kansas City for sure. Trent Green is a good enough QB that he'll get the ball plenty, and Eddie Kennison has done an admirable job but is miscast as the #1. Teams I think could sign TO next year include:

Dallas -- Parcells has the ego to control TO [and the resume], Jones would spend the money, Owens could stay in the division to prove Philly wrong, the Cowboys want to "win now" with Bledsoe and Parcells on their latter legs

Denver -- Needs a WR, it's a WC offense, Shanny has the ego to think he can control TO where others couldn't, they are a contender
Green Bay -- For the reasons I've already stated
Kansas City -- Herm was open to bringing TO aboard two years ago, there's a need, the team is aging so it's a bit of "win now" at play
Miami -- Saban is a disciplinarian and has the ego to convince himself that "it will be different." Don't think he didn't see Corey Dillon act the model citizen in NE with his buddy and then see Ricky Will under him last year and think otherwise
Oakland -- I don't think TO is a good fit here, but with Al Davis, you never count anything out
Tampa Bay -- Gruden has the ego, Galloway is getting old, Simms throws a nice deep ball, they're a contender
Washington -- Not sure if Gibbs would put up with him, but Snyder would spend the money, Owens would like staying in the division, and they need another WR
Not sure of the cap situation but I would think that Jax could also be a destination. Jimmy Smith isn't getting any younger and there is no one else to fill the shoes of a #1 (despite all the Matt Jones love on the board). Del Rio is a strong coach possibly capable of keeping him in line...
Wayne Weaver came out today and said that TO will not be a Jaguar...check the top of the blogger: http://news.footballguys.com/new/blogger.php
 
Agreed on all fronts. Although personally I think he'll sign at least a 2-year deal with the "understanding" that if he plays up to his potential, he wants more $$$$ in 2007.

My early pick...Green Bay. TO knows the offense inside and out [McCarthy is going to run a "traditiona" WCO], would be a "help me win now" player that Favre is no doubt going to demand if he stays, and...Let's not forget that the Packers have brought in Andre Rison and Terry Glenn [admittedly a different GM running the show], and Thompson is no stranger to second chances, having been in Seattle during the Koren Robinson years.
I could see some contract escalators being used to bump up his salary in year 2 if he and/or the team meets certain incentives in year 1.As for Green Bay, aren't they already pretty set at WR with Walker and Driver in place? Given their cap problems, uncertainty at RB, and issues on defense, I don't think Owens would be a big priority there. I also think Owens would walk all over a rookie coach like McCarthy.
Just a small point of clarification---the Packers are actually in great shape in terms of the salary cap for next year. The last figure I heard was around 21 million under the projected cap. Whether or not TO would be a good fit even if they have money is another question entirely, though. I personally wouldn't want to see it happen. His antics aren't worth it IMO.
good to know. they probably should have used some of that cap space to keep Mike Wahle around and maybe bring in a decent CB or safety.
 
The one caution I see with T.O. (besides his huge behaviorial/attitude issues) is the lingering, always-on-the-peripheral groin issue that hasn't healed over several seasons.

It is my opinion that T.O. has a serious sports hernia problem, but is unwilling (for whatever reason) to have the necessary surgery to repair the injury. The problem with an untreated but serious sports hernia is that even extensive "rest" won't cure the injury - it simply helps the swelling to subside and the pain to become managable. Once a pro football player goes back to full-contact, full-practice schedule, though, it is inevitable that the sports-hernia will flare up again. Permanent tissue damage is possible for persons who allow a sports hernia to go untreated. It is my unsupported and conjectural opinion (after several years of doing the Footballguys.com Monday Injury report and seeing Owens on report after report with a groin condition) that Owens is suffering from an untreated and perhaps permanently impairing sports hernia. Think about all the years in S.F. and then again in Philly when the team "held him out" of practice so he could rest his sore/tender groin.

See:

Yahoo! on Sports Hernias

University of Michigan on Sports Hernias

About.com on Sports Hernias

I think that Owens has a chronic injury that may, at this point, be permanently impairing (but not yet disabling) him. Switching to yet another team/system, when he is possibly physically incapable of participating in a full slate of minicamps/practices, may lead to less production than we might otherwise expect to see from a talent of the caliber of Terrell Owens.

My .02.

MW

 
In order for the Chiefs to get in the mix, they need to determine what the status is with Roaf & Shields.

$10M for 2 seasons for Owens is a bargain, especially since 07 has a chance of being an uncapped year.
Owens would play in Kansas City for sure. Trent Green is a good enough QB that he'll get the ball plenty, and Eddie Kennison has done an admirable job but is miscast as the #1. Teams I think could sign TO next year include:

Dallas -- Parcells has the ego to control TO [and the resume], Jones would spend the money, Owens could stay in the division to prove Philly wrong, the Cowboys want to "win now" with Bledsoe and Parcells on their latter legs

Denver -- Needs a WR, it's a WC offense, Shanny has the ego to think he can control TO where others couldn't, they are a contender
Green Bay -- For the reasons I've already stated
Kansas City -- Herm was open to bringing TO aboard two years ago, there's a need, the team is aging so it's a bit of "win now" at play
Miami -- Saban is a disciplinarian and has the ego to convince himself that "it will be different." Don't think he didn't see Corey Dillon act the model citizen in NE with his buddy and then see Ricky Will under him last year and think otherwise
Oakland -- I don't think TO is a good fit here, but with Al Davis, you never count anything out
Tampa Bay -- Gruden has the ego, Galloway is getting old, Simms throws a nice deep ball, they're a contender
Washington -- Not sure if Gibbs would put up with him, but Snyder would spend the money, Owens would like staying in the division, and they need another WR
A couple of comments. 1) Dallas - Parcells dealt Antonio Bryant to Cleveland without so much as batting an eye after he acted up once. OTOH, aside from the o-line needs, it's hard to think of a skill position player they could readily acquire that could improve that offense and Parcells doesn't strike me as a guy willing to wait on a younger player to develop. I think also that there's something to the idea of TO wanting to remain in the division.

2) Denver - Shanny's got an ego but was recently stung in that kind of venture with Maurice Clarett. I have my doubts here.

3) Green Bay - this is one of the most conservative front offices in the league. Can you even imagine that town embracing TO? How about Favre?

4) KC - I'm beginning to think that this is the best fit/most likely place for TO for the reasons you stated.

5) Miami - I agree with you. Saban is supremely confident in himself. However, is the QB good enough for TO?

6) Oakland - Agreed.

7) TB - Gruden was stung once by Keyshawn. I have a hard time seeing him adopting a far worse guy in TO.

8) Washington - as long as Gibbs is calling the personnel shots there - and he has been for the last two years now - no way.

 
Chargers.

I really don't know what the reply is to how it will play out. I have read and reread the first post and I'm trying to "get" what you are predicting.

Any way to clarify??

I wish he'd come to the JETS, but don't see it w/ Mangini there now.

Chargers, in a suprise!
Chargers, in a suprise!
Not enough balls to go around !! :angry: :GatesOwner:
Chargers dont need him and wont want him. I am going to say they wont sign a bad attitude FA no matter how much talent he has because of David Boston. They know what you are getting with Owens and its not a good fit in sd. Boston was a talent (Not as good as to but could have been) with a bad attitude. Did nothing but cause headaches and lost $$. TO in SD is a bad signing.
 
This is from the T.0. to Chicago thread but it's a more general thing and thought it might be fun to track it in it's own thread.

Here's how I see the T.O. saga playing out.

I think whoever signs TO this time around is going to get a great bargain. His past actions will allow a team to sign him to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract that will help keep him in line and keep him motivated to produce.

This report was discussed in depth on ESPN Radio yesterday. The Bears denied it by saying that "it would be considered tampering". But, the Eagles have already given permission to Owens and Drew Rosenhaus to seek a trade, so the meeting would be perfectly permissible. Everybody who the station called to try and confirm the report (including the restaurant where they were seen), responded that they "could not confirm or deny" it. So, it certainly seems like this definitely happened, but its also likely that Owens is having these kinds of meetings with GMs all over the league right now.

I'm not sure he'd be a great fit in Chicago personality wise, but he would certainly give the Bears a much more explosive offense. And, if he ever got out of line, I'm sure Olin Kreutz could smack him around a little bit.
Exactly Aaron.Not sure if it'll be Chicago but this is how it'll start.

And then it plays along like this:

First thing to be identified will be "the problem" that is now solved. From SF to PHI, it was the QB. Now in Donovan, he had the QB he'd always wanted.

I'm guessing the "problem" now will be the lack of respect from PHI and how they didn't appreciate him risking his career playing hurt. Expect to see how happy and at peace he is now that he's finally playing for a classy organization that respects their players. It's all he's ever really wanted....

Second point will be "the final piece of the puzzle". The talking points will be what a fantastic team XXXX is and he just hopes he can help "put them over the top". The more sense that makes with the team, the more likely it'll be to happen. Lots of sense in Chicago for example. Not much sense in Oakland.

The third item will be how he's learned and matured. Expect to never see the defiant TO at the Eagles press conference but see a ton of replay of the humble T.O. at the "next question" press conference at his house. He learned from the past (probably won't say mistakes) and now is ready to finish his career helping a team that really wants him win a Super Bowl.

Mark it down.

J
Bryantdamus ? :tinfoilhat:
 
I know the cap would make a TO signing tough to do, but I keep thinking KC would be a good fit in many ways.

Owens would hate living there, but I'm not sure he can be too picky at this point.
It would be a horrible fit.Larry Johnson will (and should) get the vast majority of the touches. Do you really think Owens would "stand" for that?

 
I know the cap would make a TO signing tough to do, but I keep thinking KC would be a good fit in many ways.

Owens would hate living there, but I'm not sure he can be too picky at this point.
It would be a horrible fit.Larry Johnson will (and should) get the vast majority of the touches. Do you really think Owens would "stand" for that?
They have to mix it up, imagine what LJ would do with Gonzo & TO keeping a D honest???? Scary....
 
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I know the cap would make a TO signing tough to do, but I keep thinking KC would be a good fit in many ways.

Owens would hate living there, but I'm not sure he can be too picky at this point.
It would be a horrible fit.Larry Johnson will (and should) get the vast majority of the touches. Do you really think Owens would "stand" for that?
:confused: This year the Chiefs ran the ball 520 times and threw it 507...there are PLENTY of touches to get TO the ball as much as he wants/needs while giving LJ a massive workload.

 
Bryantdamus ? :tinfoilhat:
I dunno sherrif. We'll see.And FWIW, Reggie Bush reminds me a lot more of Warrick Dunn than he does Gale Sayers too. That one will be interesting.

J
I think you are right about the first part, I just had to bust your chops... :D Everybody tells me I am crazy for my opinion on Bush, I may be, but #1 OVERALL, IMO......nah.

 
Bryantdamus ? :tinfoilhat:
I dunno sherrif. We'll see.And FWIW, Reggie Bush reminds me a lot more of Warrick Dunn than he does Gale Sayers too. That one will be interesting.

J
I think you are right about the first part, I just had to bust your chops... :D Everybody tells me I am crazy for my opinion on Bush, I may be, but #1 OVERALL, IMO......nah.
Yes, as far as I can tell, it's officially just me and you in the "Reggie Bush won't go straight to Canton after his rookie year" camp. We'll know soon enough I guess.J

 
The one caution I see with T.O. (besides his huge behaviorial/attitude issues) is the lingering, always-on-the-peripheral groin issue that hasn't healed over several seasons.

It is my opinion that T.O. has a serious sports hernia problem, but is unwilling (for whatever reason) to have the necessary surgery to repair the injury. The problem with an untreated but serious sports hernia is that even extensive "rest" won't cure the injury - it simply helps the swelling to subside and the pain to become managable. Once a pro football player goes back to full-contact, full-practice schedule, though, it is inevitable that the sports-hernia will flare up again. Permanent tissue damage is possible for persons who allow a sports hernia to go untreated. It is my unsupported and conjectural opinion (after several years of doing the Footballguys.com Monday Injury report and seeing Owens on report after report with a groin condition) that Owens is suffering from an untreated and perhaps permanently impairing sports hernia. Think about all the years in S.F. and then again in Philly when the team "held him out" of practice so he could rest his sore/tender groin.
There is a distinct possibility that there's nothing wrong with his groin, that he just didn't want to practice.But certainly, anyone who hits the juice as hard as Owens does is at risk for injuries related to over-musculature.

 
Bryantdamus ? :tinfoilhat:
I dunno sherrif. We'll see.And FWIW, Reggie Bush reminds me a lot more of Warrick Dunn than he does Gale Sayers too. That one will be interesting.

J
I think you are right about the first part, I just had to bust your chops... :D Everybody tells me I am crazy for my opinion on Bush, I may be, but #1 OVERALL, IMO......nah.
Yes, as far as I can tell, it's officially just me and you in the "Reggie Bush won't go straight to Canton after his rookie year" camp. We'll know soon enough I guess.J
:goodposting: Great minds think alike Joe....it will be interesting indeed.

 
Guys, KC's cap situation may be ugly...hard to tell now, with Shields, Priest and other like Bell unsure of returning....and those three are due more than 15 million combined.If Priest retires, I think we could use that cap money on T.O. I would hate having to root for the guy, but I am sure I wil deal with it.My first thought is that KC is as conservative as Green Bay, but then I started thinking about the "saints" who have played here...Rison, Vanover, Bam Morris, Dale Carter, etc.Peterson isnt as conservative as Vermeil is....so it could happen.

 
Guys, KC's cap situation may be ugly...hard to tell now, with Shields, Priest and other like Bell unsure of returning....and those three are due more than 15 million combined.

If Priest retires, I think we could use that cap money on T.O. I would hate having to root for the guy, but I am sure I wil deal with it.

My first thought is that KC is as conservative as Green Bay, but then I started thinking about the "saints" who have played here...Rison, Vanover, Bam Morris, Dale Carter, etc.

Peterson isnt as conservative as Vermeil is....so it could happen.
These are all good points. On the issue of the "saints", that seemed to happen in the mid-90's when Marty got desperate to win in the playoffs and seemed to stop screening for character when he was searching for talent. IMHO that's what ended up getting him fired, especially after that MNF embarrassment with the multiple personal foul calls. I don't think KC will make that mistake twice.
 

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