How to declare your keeper(s) (1 Viewer)

[Spartan_Don]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.

Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.

Help!

 

[tangfoot]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

If you can't trust your commish, your league has some serious issues.FWIW, the commish should email his keeper to an uninterested third-party ahead of the keeper deadline.That way it is time-stamped and verifiable.This is the way I have always handled time-sensitive material such as in-season free agent blind bids.

 

[Keys Myaths]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

How do you really abuse this?If he's picking ANYONE but his best player to keep, then more power to you guys. He's an idiot if he does. Who everyone else keeps won't affect that.I don't see the problem here.

 

[my man otis]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

How do you really abuse this?If he's picking ANYONE but his best player to keep, then more power to you guys. He's an idiot if he does. Who everyone else keeps won't affect that.I don't see the problem here.

agreed.we just have everyone post their choice to the message board. i can't see how anyone knowing anyone's keeper would (a) give you an advantage and (b) even be a secret.

 

[Spartan_Don]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

How do you really abuse this?If he's picking ANYONE but his best player to keep, then more power to you guys. He's an idiot if he does. Who everyone else keeps won't affect that.I don't see the problem here.

Our one keeper is slotted into the draft at his previously drafted position. For example, last year someone selected Larry Johnson in round 5 I belive. That person gets to declare Johnson as his keeper this year but only gives up a round 5 pick.These rules, although arguably skewed, are what we're operating under, so let's not go there. Under this framework there are a lot of decisions to make on who your keeper will be based on value.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Oh man,

Its ONE player for each team, thats nothing...there isn't alot of thinking that goes into which player to keep, you take the player with the best value. If you think that someone is going to look at your keepers and then decide to keep someone else, then you should give yourslelf a pat on the back, because his team is worse off now.

A TOTAL non-issue IMO.

Have a date to declare your keepers and have everyone send them in to the commish, and the commish must send everyone the list at the deadline. This is to ensure that no one changes a keeper due to an injury.

 

[CA_7]

FWIW, the commish should email his keeper to an uninterested third-party ahead of the keeper deadline.That way it is time-stamped and verifiable.

Similar to how we do it. . I am commish and actually send them to the assitant commish.

 

[memphis raines]

In our 4 player keeper league, our commish will post his keepers before we have to declare ours. It works well that way for us.

 

[Defending Champs]

I have to agree, this isn't an issue IMO either.

The league I run, the keepers are e-mailed/called into me. I tell everyone they are welcome to post on our local message board or e-mail to all.

At the same time, they don't have to tell me who they want until the last second if they choose. By that time, I have already made up my mind some two months ago.

Also, our keepers are turned in two weeks before the draft, giving zero advantage to anyone, especially me.

 

[Third]

In a 1-keeper league this is not an issue. But in 3 or 4 keeper leagues it can be.

The advantage to the commish under these circumstances comes into play with regard to positions and who is keeping who. If every other team decided to keep a QB, then the commish might be benefitted by knowing this and it might affect whether his final keeper is a QB or another player. If the commish knows who everyone else is keeping before he has to declare, then he could use that info to evaluate who will be availble to draft, what positions will be deeper, etc.

But again, I only think this would be a concern in a multiple keeper league. I'm commish in our keep 3 league and I emailed my keepers to another owner prior to the deadline.

 

[Cixelsyd]

It's one keeper, whats the real problem???

I mean, given the rule allowing you to keep based on draft position... it should be pretty simple to figure out who everyone is thinking about keeping...

It's a non issue...

We have 3 keepers and no-one has ever mentioned they would have kept someone else based on who the rest of the league kept...

We use CBS, so this year they added a keeper checkbox next the the players name... so you can wait til the deadline and enter them... if you commish is busy checking on everyone else, he risks missing placing his... likewise, everyone has the same access to the data...

Prior years we just emailed the commish. By the deadline everyone knows 99% of the keeper picks anyway...

 

[twister101]

we keep 3 players each year so the first three rounds of the redraft is when we announce our keepers.

 

[B Maverick]

Our commish will send his list to of protected players or FA bids for the week to the first person that submits theirs. But its not a trust issue since he does a good job, its something eh started doing just to keep the trust.

It works well for us.

 

[glock]

In a 1-keeper league this is not an issue. But in 3 or 4 keeper leagues it can be.

The advantage to the commish under these circumstances comes into play with regard to positions and who is keeping who. If every other team decided to keep a QB, then the commish might be benefitted by knowing this and it might affect whether his final keeper is a QB or another player. If the commish knows who everyone else is keeping before he has to declare, then he could use that info to evaluate who will be availble to draft, what positions will be deeper, etc.

But again, I only think this would be a concern in a multiple keeper league. I'm commish in our keep 3 league and I emailed my keepers to another owner prior to the deadline.

1-4 player (depending on finish) keeper league here. The Commish certainly could end up with an advantage depending on how the keepers fall. I think we all just choose to ignore the possibility.

 

[wickster33]

We have an early preliminary keeper date (about 10 days before the draft). I post the names on our MFL site. Owners are able to change their keepers right up to the final keeper date (4 days before the draft). If they don't make any changes, the prelimionary list becomes final.

I like it because it spurs intreest in trades and everybody knows everyone else's keepers at the same time.

 

[Cixelsyd]

In a 1-keeper league this is not an issue. But in 3 or 4 keeper leagues it can be.

The advantage to the commish under these circumstances comes into play with regard to positions and who is keeping who. If every other team decided to keep a QB, then the commish might be benefitted by knowing this and it might affect whether his final keeper is a QB or another player. If the commish knows who everyone else is keeping before he has to declare, then he could use that info to evaluate who will be availble to draft, what positions will be deeper, etc.

But again, I only think this would be a concern in a multiple keeper league. I'm commish in our keep 3 league and I emailed my keepers to another owner prior to the deadline.

1-4 player (depending on finish) keeper league here. The Commish certainly could end up with an advantage depending on how the keepers fall. I think we all just choose to ignore the possibility.

In extreme cases I could see that... but in most cases not... first... you can project out who everyone is keeping fairly easily... depending on your keeper rules..in a 1 keeper, that counted as your first round pick... who you think others will keep can effect your choice but usually cause you don't have anyone worth keeping... a team with LT and LJ... and you have the #1 pick... you don't need to know which one he's keeping... you know one will be in the pot, so you don't keep so you can grab him...

In the leagues I've been in, people talk about it pretty freely... so I'm not sure what the big secret is.... I think it only matters if someone has marginal keepers... then it may influence the person...

 

[GregR_2]

As others have said, depending on league format it can definitely give an advantage. Two of my leagues keep up to 4, each keeper costing you your highest pick. If you keep 4 the first pick you use normally is in the 5th round. It could be a huge advantage to me to know who others are keeping. I would be able to tell the worst player who would be available at each of my picks, and compare them to the guy I'm keeping in that spot.

And the easy solution is to have a neutral third party hold all of the keeper lists until the deadline, and then forward them on to the league. In my case with my 2 keeper leagues, each league sends their keeper list to my co-commish in the opposite league.

 

[glock]

In a 1-keeper league this is not an issue. But in 3 or 4 keeper leagues it can be.

The advantage to the commish under these circumstances comes into play with regard to positions and who is keeping who. If every other team decided to keep a QB, then the commish might be benefitted by knowing this and it might affect whether his final keeper is a QB or another player. If the commish knows who everyone else is keeping before he has to declare, then he could use that info to evaluate who will be availble to draft, what positions will be deeper, etc.

But again, I only think this would be a concern in a multiple keeper league. I'm commish in our keep 3 league and I emailed my keepers to another owner prior to the deadline.

1-4 player (depending on finish) keeper league here. The Commish certainly could end up with an advantage depending on how the keepers fall. I think we all just choose to ignore the possibility.

Quoting myself to add:This is a 15 position/$200 auction cap league. Salaries of keepers factor into the decision making process. This season it wound up that roughly 12 of the top 15 RBs were kept. Were you Commish and on the fence over wether or not to hold onto a RB, it could only help knowing.

 

[gregjcross]

If you are in a league where you cannot trust your Commish, where he/she would use a different email address for submissions that are not checked until the proper time, your league probably isnt worth playing in. Some things in life, like integrity and trust, are a lot more important than fantasy scores.

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

 

[The Commish]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

What exactly is the unfair advantage? ESPECIALLY if you are only keeping 1 player? I have been commish of a keeper league for 5 years now and never had an owner question the process we use. They mail me their keepers and I publish all of them once they are all in. If I know who everyone else is keeping, how is that an advantage to me? I still only have my list to choose from and no matter who they keep, that list can't change. I don't get it

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

It's people like you that force good commissioners to stop wasting their time with this awesome game. Don't be so anal.

 

[GregR_2]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

It's people like you that force good commissioners to stop wasting their time with this awesome game. Don't be so anal.

I have a different take on it. It's a commissioner's job whenever possible to be above appearance of impropriety. There's no benefit in leaving something that could become an issue when a simple solution like having a third party hold the keeper lists can be done.The first year we did keepers and everyone sent me their lists, I recognized the advantage it gave me and immediately changed it that we send them to someone outside the league.

 

[glock]

...The first year we did keepers and everyone sent me their lists, I recognized the advantage it gave me and immediately changed it that we send them to someone outside the league.

 

[The Commish]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

It's people like you that force good commissioners to stop wasting their time with this awesome game. Don't be so anal.

I have a different take on it. It's a commissioner's job whenever possible to be above appearance of impropriety. There's no benefit in leaving something that could become an issue when a simple solution like having a third party hold the keeper lists can be done.The first year we did keepers and everyone sent me their lists, I recognized the advantage it gave me and immediately changed it that we send them to someone outside the league.

Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

 

[piston pete griffin]

We set up a yahoo group and usually announce to everyone who you are keeping. Our rules don't require it but most people do it anyway.

 

[NOONAN]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

It's people like you that force good commissioners to stop wasting their time with this awesome game. Don't be so anal.

I have a different take on it. It's a commissioner's job whenever possible to be above appearance of impropriety. There's no benefit in leaving something that could become an issue when a simple solution like having a third party hold the keeper lists can be done.The first year we did keepers and everyone sent me their lists, I recognized the advantage it gave me and immediately changed it that we send them to someone outside the league.

Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

As an FFL Commish for 18 years, I try at every turn to make sure I do not have an advantage over the rest of the league in terms of additional info. Keepers would be part of that as well as transactions and just basic discussion. We have two officers. The second officer handles all transactions during the year. He sends his picks to me ahead of time. I send mine to him as cross-reference. No impropriety there. You have to safeguard the position for the good of the league. Otherwise, you end up making more rules and creating unnecessary safeguards.

 

[glock]

...Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

...it has a bearing on whom you might keep based on who will be available in the draft, no? A couple more RBs back in the pool might just mean you'll keep the stud WR that may or may not have too high a salary, instead of that borderline RB1/RB2.

 

[pinequick]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

Each owner emails their keeper names to the commish as a Word document email attachment. The Word document (not the email) contains the names. BUT, when each owner saves the Word document, they hit "Save As. . ." Then in dialogue box that pops up, they click on "Tools" (upper right-hand corner). Then they click on "Security Options. . ." There it lets you set a password for the file. Each owner sets a password, and then emails his file to the commish.When the commish has everybody's files, he emails the list of his keepers to everybody. In turn, they email him their passwords to the files. Then everyone's keepers are revealed.Foolproof way to insure that nobody gains any informational advantage. Of course, this is assuming that all of your owners are *somewhat* technologically-savvy. But only somewhat.

 

[glock]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

Each owner emails their keeper names to the commish as a Word document email attachment. The Word document (not the email) contains the names. BUT, when each owner saves the Word document, they hit "Save As. . ." Then in dialogue box that pops up, they click on "Tools" (upper right-hand corner). Then they click on "Security Options. . ." There it lets you set a password for the file. Each owner sets a password, and then emails his file to the commish.When the commish has everybody's files, he emails the list of his keepers to everybody. In turn, they email him their passwords to the files. Then everyone's keepers are revealed.Foolproof way to insure that nobody gains any informational advantage. Of course, this is assuming that all of your owners are *somewhat* technologically-savvy. But only somewhat.

I like that.Fat chance I would ever be able to get my [sarcasm]tech savy[/sarcasm] league mates to go for it, though.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Any suggestions? I was thinking if there is some kind of "virtual name in the hat" website out there that would solve the problem (we are not getting together for the draft so it needs to be virtual). For example, you go to the site, submit your keeper's name, and when all 12 team have submitted the list becomes public. Must be some assurance that the data is private until all 12 owners have gone to the site.Help!

It's people like you that force good commissioners to stop wasting their time with this awesome game. Don't be so anal.

I think any GOOD commish should understand that he's obligated to try and keep things as even as possible. I have all owners submit their keepers in writing at the start of the draft. Then we declare keepers and open up trades. If I got all that info ahead of time I could potentially use it to my own advantage.

 

[Nemesis]

We have an early preliminary keeper date (about 10 days before the draft). I post the names on our MFL site. Owners are able to change their keepers right up to the final keeper date (4 days before the draft). If they don't make any changes, the prelimionary list becomes final.

I like it because it spurs intreest in trades and everybody knows everyone else's keepers at the same time.

The league I commish does something similar.

Everyone emails me their 3 keepers at the begining of August (the date is published)

I publish the entire list as soon as I get all the keepers.

The next 7 days, all owners can review the list, and trade for any player (kept or non-kept on a roster)

After the 7 days are up, the keeper list is locked.

After the list locks, an owner CAN request to change his keepers in the case of an injury for a fee.

We like this format b/c it gets everyone to list their keepers and speeds the draft up. It also stimulates trades, allows teams with excess talent to try to get something for it (if they can), and still allows for some flexibility but teams can't "monkey" with the process w/o a penalty.

Because of this format, it really isn't a problem declaring my keepers. Other leagues may want to be less flexible and I can understand that, but we've always wanted to stimulate the activity leading up to the draft.

 

[The Commish]

...Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

...it has a bearing on whom you might keep based on who will be available in the draft, no? A couple more RBs back in the pool might just mean you'll keep the stud WR that may or may not have too high a salary, instead of that borderline RB1/RB2.

hmmm....I can see how knowing who's left PLUS draft order (who's drafting before you and what they need) would help make that decision, but without considering both I don't see an advantage. I guess that's why it's never been an issue in our league. We have keepers in before draft orders are established etc. Without each other both pieces of info have very minimal value on their own, IMO.

 

[GregR_2]

Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

Sure. Take the following league. Allowed to keep 4 players, using your 1st-4th round picks (1st for the 1st keeper, 2nd for the 2nd keeper, etc).

1.01 1 Shag U Rottens Jordan, Lamont OAK RB Tue Aug 15 7:50:15 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.02 2 Metal Maniacs Jackson, Steven STL RB Tue Aug 15 7:48:05 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.03 3 Killer Squirrels Barber, Tiki NYG RB Tue Aug 15 7:49:10 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.04 4 Wrightstown Pirate Hunters

1.05 5 Atlanta Raptors Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Tue Aug 15 7:49:39 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.06 6 Marquette Fightin' Tree Huggers

1.07 7 Trippin' Billies Williams, Carnell TBB RB Tue Aug 15 7:47:19 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.08 8 Long Island Iced Teas Johnson, Larry KCC RB Tue Aug 15 7:46:45 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.09 9 Stimpy's Glorious South Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Tue Aug 15 7:50:55 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.10 10 Mantorville Ninja Turtles Portis, Clinton WAS RB Tue Aug 15 7:48:37 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.11 11 HB Chronic Tacos

1.12 12 New Hampshire Nimrods

2.01 13 New Hampshire Nimrods

2.02 14 HB Chronic Tacos

2.03 15 Mantorville Ninja Turtles Lewis, Jamal BAL RB Tue Aug 15 7:48:37 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.04 16 Stimpy's Glorious South Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Tue Aug 15 7:50:55 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.05 17 Long Island Iced Teas Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Tue Aug 15 7:46:45 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.06 18 Trippin' Billies McGahee, Willis BUF RB Tue Aug 15 7:47:19 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.07 19 Marquette Fightin' Tree Huggers

2.08 20 Atlanta Raptors Brown, Ronnie MIA RB Tue Aug 15 7:49:39 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.09 21 Wrightstown Pirate Hunters

2.10 22 Killer Squirrels Gates, Antonio SDC TE Tue Aug 15 7:49:10 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.11 23 Metal Maniacs Manning, Peyton IND QB Tue Aug 15 7:48:05 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.12 24 Shag U Rottens Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Tue Aug 15 7:50:15 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

Teams with bolded picks didn't keep anyone. (It is unusual for us to have 4 teams not keep anyone... 2 teams had weak rosters and have new owners... the other 2 I think are shooting for Reggie Bush). The red team is the commish's team. If I as commish can see all the keeper lists, I know:

1) Everyone that is available to be picked.

2) How many picks before each of my own will be used to select available players.

In this case, I'm obviously keeping LJ as my 1st round pick. For my 2nd, I can keep Westbrook... or I could throw him back and use the pick. I know 6 picks will be exercised before my 2nd round pick. So if there are 6 players available that I like more than Westbrook, I should only keep 1 and I know at worst I get Westbrook back, at best I get a better player than him. If there are not 6 players that I like more than Westbrook, I should probably keep him as I risk getting a worse player.

In this particular case, I have a very strong group of keepers (especially when my 3rd and 4th keepers are factored in) and so my decisions wouldn't be affected even if I knew this in advance. But if I had a weaker team, where it wasn't clearcut whether enough guys would be thrown back to make not keeping some of my players more worthwhile, then this kind of information would be very helpful.

I mean, just look at the chart. Basically it's like knowing 70% of how a draft is going to unfold before you have to make any of your own picks.

 

[pinequick]

...Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

...it has a bearing on whom you might keep based on who will be available in the draft, no? A couple more RBs back in the pool might just mean you'll keep the stud WR that may or may not have too high a salary, instead of that borderline RB1/RB2.

hmmm....I can see how knowing who's left PLUS draft order (who's drafting before you and what they need) would help make that decision, but without considering both I don't see an advantage. I guess that's why it's never been an issue in our league. We have keepers in before draft orders are established etc. Without each other both pieces of info have very minimal value on their own, IMO.

Information is still information. In a twelve-team league, if I'm the commish and I see that the other teams have decided to cut what I consider to be the top 8 or 9 RBs available, then I'm a lot more likely to hang onto my stud WR than if I see only 2 or 3 top RBs coming available through cuts. Even if you don't know the draft order, it still puts the person in possession of the information at a strategic advantage.

 

[Footballhead]

In my only 14 team keepr league (5 keepers each), the commish e-mails a password protected word.doc to everyone in the league. Once he has obtained the keeper list from everybody else, he gives out the word.doc password to verify he did not change his list. Works for us great...no complains.

 

[The Commish]

Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

Sure. Take the following league. Allowed to keep 4 players, using your 1st-4th round picks (1st for the 1st keeper, 2nd for the 2nd keeper, etc).

1.01 1 Shag U Rottens Jordan, Lamont OAK RB Tue Aug 15 7:50:15 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.02 2 Metal Maniacs Jackson, Steven STL RB Tue Aug 15 7:48:05 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.03 3 Killer Squirrels Barber, Tiki NYG RB Tue Aug 15 7:49:10 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.04 4 Wrightstown Pirate Hunters

1.05 5 Atlanta Raptors Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Tue Aug 15 7:49:39 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.06 6 Marquette Fightin' Tree Huggers

1.07 7 Trippin' Billies Williams, Carnell TBB RB Tue Aug 15 7:47:19 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.08 8 Long Island Iced Teas Johnson, Larry KCC RB Tue Aug 15 7:46:45 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.09 9 Stimpy's Glorious South Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Tue Aug 15 7:50:55 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.10 10 Mantorville Ninja Turtles Portis, Clinton WAS RB Tue Aug 15 7:48:37 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

1.11 11 HB Chronic Tacos

1.12 12 New Hampshire Nimrods

2.01 13 New Hampshire Nimrods

2.02 14 HB Chronic Tacos

2.03 15 Mantorville Ninja Turtles Lewis, Jamal BAL RB Tue Aug 15 7:48:37 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.04 16 Stimpy's Glorious South Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Tue Aug 15 7:50:55 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.05 17 Long Island Iced Teas Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Tue Aug 15 7:46:45 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.06 18 Trippin' Billies McGahee, Willis BUF RB Tue Aug 15 7:47:19 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.07 19 Marquette Fightin' Tree Huggers

2.08 20 Atlanta Raptors Brown, Ronnie MIA RB Tue Aug 15 7:49:39 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.09 21 Wrightstown Pirate Hunters

2.10 22 Killer Squirrels Gates, Antonio SDC TE Tue Aug 15 7:49:10 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.11 23 Metal Maniacs Manning, Peyton IND QB Tue Aug 15 7:48:05 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

2.12 24 Shag U Rottens Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Tue Aug 15 7:50:15 p.m. CT 2006 Keeper

Teams with bolded picks didn't keep anyone. (It is unusual for us to have 4 teams not keep anyone... 2 teams had weak rosters and have new owners... the other 2 I think are shooting for Reggie Bush). The red team is the commish's team. If I as commish can see all the keeper lists, I know:

1) Everyone that is available to be picked.

2) How many picks before each of my own will be used to select available players.

In this case, I'm obviously keeping LJ as my 1st round pick. For my 2nd, I can keep Westbrook... or I could throw him back and use the pick. I know 6 picks will be exercised before my 2nd round pick. So if there are 6 players available that I like more than Westbrook, I should only keep 1 and I know at worst I get Westbrook back, at best I get a better player than him. If there are not 6 players that I like more than Westbrook, I should probably keep him as I risk getting a worse player.

In this particular case, I have a very strong group of keepers (especially when my 3rd and 4th keepers are factored in) and so my decisions wouldn't be affected even if I knew this in advance. But if I had a weaker team, where it wasn't clearcut whether enough guys would be thrown back to make not keeping some of my players more worthwhile, then this kind of information would be very helpful.

I mean, just look at the chart. Basically it's like knowing 70% of how a draft is going to unfold before you have to make any of your own picks.

I understand this scenario completely. The commish knows both the draft order AND everyone that is being kept. I can see the advantage there. I didn't think that this was the case in this league. Players may be known, but not the draft order.

 

[BrentBlack]

In our league (keep 1) the commish asks that everyone email their keeper choice to him. This gives him an unfair advantage IMO because he gets to see everyone's keeper choice before he makes his own and subsequently publishes the entire list.Help!

Who cares other than people who have nothing to do but scrutinize (and subsequently whine and moan) about every single thing your commish does? I have a couple in my league that do the same thing and I'm beyond tired of it.

 

[The Commish]

...Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

...it has a bearing on whom you might keep based on who will be available in the draft, no? A couple more RBs back in the pool might just mean you'll keep the stud WR that may or may not have too high a salary, instead of that borderline RB1/RB2.

hmmm....I can see how knowing who's left PLUS draft order (who's drafting before you and what they need) would help make that decision, but without considering both I don't see an advantage. I guess that's why it's never been an issue in our league. We have keepers in before draft orders are established etc. Without each other both pieces of info have very minimal value on their own, IMO.

Information is still information. In a twelve-team league, if I'm the commish and I see that the other teams have decided to cut what I consider to be the top 8 or 9 RBs available, then I'm a lot more likely to hang onto my stud WR than if I see only 2 or 3 top RBs coming available through cuts. Even if you don't know the draft order, it still puts the person in possession of the information at a strategic advantage.

I guess this is where we disagree. I see it as having all the answers but none of the questions. In your examples if 8-9 come back and you are drafting last it will matter as much as if 2-3 are coming back and you are drafting 4-5, which is nothing. Chances are they won't be there. Knowing the draft order puts the answers in context and helps you figure out the questions and the best order to answer them in....at least that's how I see it. I agree this information is an absolute advantage if you know both. There is no question about it.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

You guys do play FF for FUN, right? Lighten up Francis....

 

[pinequick]

...Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

...it has a bearing on whom you might keep based on who will be available in the draft, no? A couple more RBs back in the pool might just mean you'll keep the stud WR that may or may not have too high a salary, instead of that borderline RB1/RB2.

hmmm....I can see how knowing who's left PLUS draft order (who's drafting before you and what they need) would help make that decision, but without considering both I don't see an advantage. I guess that's why it's never been an issue in our league. We have keepers in before draft orders are established etc. Without each other both pieces of info have very minimal value on their own, IMO.

Information is still information. In a twelve-team league, if I'm the commish and I see that the other teams have decided to cut what I consider to be the top 8 or 9 RBs available, then I'm a lot more likely to hang onto my stud WR than if I see only 2 or 3 top RBs coming available through cuts. Even if you don't know the draft order, it still puts the person in possession of the information at a strategic advantage.

I guess this is where we disagree. I see it as having all the answers but none of the questions. In your examples if 8-9 come back and you are drafting last it will matter as much as if 2-3 are coming back and you are drafting 4-5, which is nothing. Chances are they won't be there. Knowing the draft order puts the answers in context and helps you figure out the questions and the best order to answer them in....at least that's how I see it. I agree this information is an absolute advantage if you know both. There is no question about it.

Still Isn't sort of like playing the odds? In the first scenario (8-9 good RBs available through cuts), in a 12-team league there is a 67 - 75% chance that I can grab one of those guys. Those are pretty good odds, so I hang onto my stud WR. In the second scenario (2-3 good RBs available through cuts), there's only a 17 - 25% chance that I'll grab a RB that I really want. So in that scenario, I probably hold onto my stud RB.You seem to suggest that unless the commish has *all* the information, he has no advantage. I disagree, for the reasons noted above. Having some of the information is still a competitive advantage over the regular owner.

 

[glock]

...Can you explain the "advantage" to me please? I don't see it. Who others choose to keep has no bearing on the list of players you have to choose from.

...it has a bearing on whom you might keep based on who will be available in the draft, no? A couple more RBs back in the pool might just mean you'll keep the stud WR that may or may not have too high a salary, instead of that borderline RB1/RB2.

hmmm....I can see how knowing who's left PLUS draft order (who's drafting before you and what they need) would help make that decision, but without considering both I don't see an advantage. I guess that's why it's never been an issue in our league. We have keepers in before draft orders are established etc. Without each other both pieces of info have very minimal value on their own, IMO.

Information is still information. In a twelve-team league, if I'm the commish and I see that the other teams have decided to cut what I consider to be the top 8 or 9 RBs available, then I'm a lot more likely to hang onto my stud WR than if I see only 2 or 3 top RBs coming available through cuts. Even if you don't know the draft order, it still puts the person in possession of the information at a strategic advantage.

I guess this is where we disagree. I see it as having all the answers but none of the questions. In your examples if 8-9 come back and you are drafting last it will matter as much as if 2-3 are coming back and you are drafting 4-5, which is nothing. Chances are they won't be there. Knowing the draft order puts the answers in context and helps you figure out the questions and the best order to answer them in....at least that's how I see it. I agree this information is an absolute advantage if you know both. There is no question about it.

In an auction draft it matters. EVERY player is available post keepers. No simple draft order to contemplate. Therefore it does indeed make a difference knowing who is kept before making your own decision on who to keep.