How to respond to lowball offers (1 Viewer)

[Pictus Cat]

How do you respond to lowball offers?

What have you done in the past?

What would you do?

Here's an example, feel free to ignore it

Dynasty, 14 Team, Start 2 RB, 2 Flex...No TE

We're sending you an MFL offer of all our 2009 draft picks for A

Peterson. We're looking to win right now and could use the boost, and

we see this as an opportunity for you to add a substantial infusion of

youth to your squad since you're looking to next year. A lot of your

core players are former studs but are or will soon be at the end of the

line, guys like Favre, Driver, Deuce, Ocho Cinco and LJ.

We have done a good job acquiring picks and will offer them all, and

we'd add WR Meachem to the offer to balance the players.

Year 2009 Round 1 Draft Pick from Playoff Team

Year 2009 Round 1 Draft Pick from Playoff Team

Year 2009 Round 2 Draft Pick from Playoff Team

Year 2009 Round 2 Draft Pick from Playoff Team

Year 2009 Round 2 Draft Pick from near last

How does this sound?

My rosterCampbell, Jason WAS QB 129.98 10 FA

Favre, Brett NYJ QB 163.38 5 FA

Pennington, Chad MIA QB 131.16 4 FA

Quinn, Brady CLE QB 27.06 5 FA

Peterson, Adrian MIN RB 162.30 8 FA

Johnson, Larry KCC RB 69.60 6 FA

McAllister, Deuce NOS RB (P) 61.50 9 FA

Morris, Maurice SEA RB 29.30 4 FA

Bell, Tatum DEN RB 3.40 8 FA

Ocho Cinco, Chad CIN WR 62.30 10 FA

Witten, Jason DAL TE (P) 70.30 10 FA

Driver, Donald GBP WR 75.80 8 FA

Hackett, D.J. CAR WR 14.40 9 FA

Lloyd, Brandon CHI WR 33.60 8 FA

Williams, Reggie JAC WR 24.00 7 FA

Burton, Keenan STL WR 8.60 5 FA

Gould, Robbie CHI PK 74.00 8 FA

Kaeding, Nate SDC PK 80.00 9 FA

Bears, Chicago CHI Def 104.00 8 FA

Panthers, Carolina CAR Def 87.00 9 FA

20 Total Players

Injured Reserve

Williams, Demetrius BAL WR (I) 24.00 2 FA

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Respond by asking a simple question:

How much time did you waste out of your life to think of and then type that proposal, Coach Ditka????????

It would be cool to answer like that but none of us ever could as you do not want to burn bridges.

Edit to add: I would just say a polite, "Peterson is not available for trade". I have basically said that in my keeper leagues.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Counter-offer?

 

[wadegarrett]

:finger:

 

[Riffraff]

Just reply that trading AD for a pile of turds won't help you get younger. However, if he'd like to buy an aging underperformer to give you a jingle.

And add a link to Beto's rookie draft pick compared to Veteran draft pick chart.

 

[puckalicious]

Counter with ADP for his entire current team and next year's draft picks.

Seriously though, you are in no position to trade ADP away unless you get the #1 pick and a good RB in return.

 

[Warhogs]

It's all about knowing the owners in your league.

I have played with some owners who always started with a terrible low ball offer but they were always willing to improve their offer and were very reasonable. They just always started with lowball offers.

I have also had several owners who would make crap offers and would not be willing to work a fair deal. These owners you can just quickly reply with I'm not interested in your crap offer.

 

[supermark_28]

I'm impressed,it's actually a well thought out and carefully worded offer. Of course,there's mention of your "former studs",

which to me is reason enough for you to keep AP. Of course who knows what players would be available with those picks your being offered and if your really not interested I would just politely decline. I agree with the previous poster,don't burn bridges, they did take the time and appeared to have put some thought behind it.

 

[SunAir]

All players are available for trade, no matter what.......the offer has to make it worth your while

That said, never burn bridges.

 

[Da Guru]

Counter-offer?

There is no such thing as a low-ball offer. One mans junk is another mans gold.I had had low ball offers accepted and declined.

 

[Pictus Cat]

It's all about knowing the owners in your league.I have played with some owners who always started with a terrible low ball offer but they were always willing to improve their offer and were very reasonable. They just always started with lowball offers.I have also had several owners who would make crap offers and would not be willing to work a fair deal. These owners you can just quickly reply with I'm not interested in your crap offer.

Time to start making a list.I also like Winning IS Everything "How much time did you waste out of your life to think of and then type that proposal, Coach Ditka????????"If only I had Ricky Williams to counter...I think a humorous response doesn't burn bridges. Lowballers seem to fit into the two categories mentioned above, Brokers trying to get the best value and Whiners that get upset because they can't get the stooooooopidist trade.My usual approach is "when I have the time, I will break down our teams players and situation and we can have a football discussion that might result in a trade."

 

[Nate]

Just counter offer. What's the big deal about a lowball offer?

I don't even bother sending offers to the owners in my leagues that take it as a personal insult if they feel you aren't offering enough for someone.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Just counter offer. What's the big deal about a lowball offer?I don't even bother sending offers to the owners in my leagues that take it as a personal insult if they feel you aren't offering enough for someone.

A matter of time sincerity and intent I guess.I'm not insulted, I just don't want to waste my time discussing players if the other side just wants a ripoff trade.Another general example,A owner the past couple of weeks keeps offering me two for one trades claiming he wants to make a playoff push while I'm out of it.The problem is every trade offer upgrades his team short and long term.I discussed the players he wants and has offered for weeks.He just keeps ignoring it and offering the same types of deals.Shows me a lack of sincerity and intent. He is not looking for a trade for the playoff push. Just a ripoff or accidental buttom push.

 

[dirty_martini]

Counter-offer?

There is no such thing as a low-ball offer. One mans junk is another mans gold.I had had low ball offers accepted and declined.

Yep counter. There is a lot of information in his proposal should you be inclined to make a deal. Maybe you want to keep Peterson but that doesn't mean you want to keep every player that could contribute to his win now effort. Even if you don't do a counter offer, when you decline this offer, compliment the players on his roster that you like. The way he's stockpiled picks tells me he's a dealer. He'll note who you like for future reference.

 

[Itchy Amos]

Just counter offer. What's the big deal about a lowball offer?I don't even bother sending offers to the owners in my leagues that take it as a personal insult if they feel you aren't offering enough for someone.

Amen to that.Trading is a negotiation process. It has to start somewhere. Whenever I get a junky offer I dont immediately assume that the other guy thinks that I'm a moron. The only real thing that I take from an opening offer is that someone else wants someone on my roster (and not necessarily who they made the offer for) and that I should take a look at their roster to see if we can work something out that will be to both of our liking.At the very least. there is nothing wrong with asking.

 

[treat88]

Just counter offer. What's the big deal about a lowball offer?I don't even bother sending offers to the owners in my leagues that take it as a personal insult if they feel you aren't offering enough for someone.

Amen to that.Trading is a negotiation process. It has to start somewhere. Whenever I get a junky offer I dont immediately assume that the other guy thinks that I'm a moron. The only real thing that I take from an opening offer is that someone else wants someone on my roster (and not necessarily who they made the offer for) and that I should take a look at their roster to see if we can work something out that will be to both of our liking.At the very least. there is nothing wrong with asking.

+1The offer, no matter how unreasonable, is simply a way to initiate a dialogue. Once initiated maybe something mutually beneficial evolves.An offer should never be misconstrued for an insult. You'll kill off potential trade partners if you respond with the tone/attitude that you are insulted.

 

[Wu-banger]

Just counter offer. What's the big deal about a lowball offer?I don't even bother sending offers to the owners in my leagues that take it as a personal insult if they feel you aren't offering enough for someone.

Amen to that.Trading is a negotiation process. It has to start somewhere. Whenever I get a junky offer I dont immediately assume that the other guy thinks that I'm a moron. The only real thing that I take from an opening offer is that someone else wants someone on my roster (and not necessarily who they made the offer for) and that I should take a look at their roster to see if we can work something out that will be to both of our liking.At the very least. there is nothing wrong with asking.

This seems like the correct answer .....He has to feel you out .... If you are not willing to part with AD , just let him know. If you are but want something else in addition to those picks ..let him know. He does not read minds I am sure. Also , other owners value Draft picks differently... that may seem like a lot to him.

 

[Nate]

Just counter offer. What's the big deal about a lowball offer?I don't even bother sending offers to the owners in my leagues that take it as a personal insult if they feel you aren't offering enough for someone.

A matter of time sincerity and intent I guess.I'm not insulted, I just don't want to waste my time discussing players if the other side just wants a ripoff trade.Another general example,A owner the past couple of weeks keeps offering me two for one trades claiming he wants to make a playoff push while I'm out of it.The problem is every trade offer upgrades his team short and long term.I discussed the players he wants and has offered for weeks.He just keeps ignoring it and offering the same types of deals.Shows me a lack of sincerity and intent. He is not looking for a trade for the playoff push. Just a ripoff or accidental buttom push.

Lack of sincerity and intent? I think he's got plenty of both. I believe he sincerely intends to have Adrian Peterson on his team.This is exactly what I mean by people that get insulted. Fine; you say you aren't insulted, you just don't think his heart is in the right place with his offers? Who cares!? So what if he's trying to rip you off.In the time that you've spent contemplating and coming to terms with the level of sincerity of a trade offer, I've sent back a counter offer and made a sandwich.

 

[yellowdog]

Just a start to the negotiating process. If he has a couple young keeper types (Stewart, Rice, etc.) see if he would be interested in including them in the deal. He's right, you need some help with that roster. Maybe you could work a Herschel Walker type deal and turn things around.

 

[Pictus Cat]

The original purpose of the thread was to gather witty replies.

I don't think that burns bridges.

Some wisdom has been gathered since then.

The trade or offerer was not so much part of it.

This was the first offer I have received from this owner.

I like what was mentioned before about getting to know the owners better and know which ones to give more time in a sincere discussion.

...and making a list of owners not likely to want to participate in something like that.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Just counter offer. What's the big deal about a lowball offer?

I don't even bother sending offers to the owners in my leagues that take it as a personal insult if they feel you aren't offering enough for someone.

A matter of time sincerity and intent I guess.I'm not insulted, I just don't want to waste my time discussing players if the other side just wants a ripoff trade.

Another general example,

A owner the past couple of weeks keeps offering me two for one trades claiming he wants to make a playoff push while I'm out of it.

The problem is every trade offer upgrades his team short and long term.

I discussed the players he wants and has offered for weeks.

He just keeps ignoring it and offering the same types of deals.

Shows me a lack of sincerity and intent. He is not looking for a trade for the playoff push. Just a ripoff or accidental buttom push.

Not sure what you mean by some of this.Lack of intent? What do you think he intends to do by offering you a trade? Do something other than trade?

Lack of sincerity? This is a buyer beware world. He's trying to upgrade in the short term, as he stated, and you admit he would get better in the short term. So he is also wanting to upgrade in the long term but hasn't admitted that to you in his proposal. No kidding. And so what? Since when is he obligated to tell you his every motivation for a trade? If you know his motivations and he hasn't told you, that may be an advantage for you. He's trying to get the most value with the smallest payment - which is what you should be doing. And why tip you off into who he thinks might have long term potential when he may not know you have the same opinion or evaluation of this player.

I've heard that the way to make breakthroughs in deals is to alter how your opponent understands how you look at the deal. Tell him how you evaluate the players he's talking about and how you evalute the players he's offering and explain to him WHY you don't think he's offering you a fair deal. If he wants your players (he initiated the offer) make him work for you. If he's just trying to see if you fall for a junk deal, he'll immedaitely see you won't and will either leave you alone or alter his offer to make it more attractive to you.

I'm really not sure what your beef is here. If you are not sure if this guy is ever going to be able to give you what you need and don't want to waste time haggling, just give him a last best counter-offer or a counter-offer that makes him drastically alter his side of it. If we won't take it or says you are asking for too much, tell him you believe the two of you just value your players too differently (or too similarly) to work a deal out. Just tell him you don't want to waste time dickering to never work out a deal.

 

[Kruppe]

Tell him you'll give him LJ instead.

 

[skeetr77]

I was offered an absolutely ridiculous trade last week and had to respond by asking if he had smoked crack before submitting such an offer and if he hadn't, perhaps he should start. How dare you offer me Carnell Williams and Tatum Bell for Adrian Peterson.

 

[BobbyLayne]

A low ball offer is nothing more than a conversation starter. Keep the dialogue going, or tell him ADP (or Player XX) is not on the table.

I usually don't counter without explaining myself first. That way the other owner has some idea of my expectations and we know where each of us are in our thinking.

I can't remember too many offer/acceptance trades; most of mine involve some discussion/emails and a few offers/counters. Low ball offers are just one way to open negotiations; just keep it going until you get what you want, or it becomes clear you will never come to an agreement.

When that doesn't work, I usually just punch 'em in the face in front of their wife and kids.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Again, I have no "beef."

Witty replies.

 

[Just Win Baby]

I am one of the owners that made the offer cited in the OP. (Two co-owners.)

I didn't really expect the offer to be accepted... how likely is any dynasty owner to trade Peterson? But I did not think of it as a terrible offer. Many dynasty owners put a high value on draft picks. How would we have known if he was one of them without offering? And as noted in the thread, it was a way to open a dialogue.

I expected either a response saying AP is not available or some kind of discussion/counter. While we may never have reached an agreement involving AP, I think we are in the category of owners that have reasonable trade discussions. (We have made 12 trades with 7 other owners over the past year or so.) But maybe everyone thinks that about themselves.

It is pretty clear from this thread that PC was insulted by the offer. His response to it was to counter by offering Tatum Bell, Driver, and McAllister for Andre Johnson, the two 1st round picks, and the highest second round pick. It seems that some here feel that kind of response was appropriate, but all it really did was tell us not to bother initiating any more trade talks with him in the future.

 

[renesauz]

I have felt insulted before in an intitial trade offer. In those cases, I try to carefully let the other owner know I felt insulted, and tell him why.

That said, everyone has their own thoughts on value. This is particularly true in a dynasty setting as one man may focus short term and another long term, with the two guys involved having a very differant view of long term value. For that reason, it's very easy to make (or receive) an offer which can be "insulting" without meaning to be.

The key is to keep the language clean. If you're insulted, let them CAREFULLY know why. Once in a while you may learn something or see something in a new way you didn't consider before. That can't happen if you don't at least respond with dialogue.

The only people that really piss me off are the ones who refuse to respond. Generally, these guys let offers hang for days before they simply reject the offer, with no dialogue at all. That's something I'm going through in my league. The Buckhalter owner refuses to respond to any offer I send (I have Westy) and it's extraordinarily frustrating.

 

[Couch Potato]

I am one of the owners that made the offer cited in the OP. (Two co-owners.)I didn't really expect the offer to be accepted... how likely is any dynasty owner to trade Peterson? But I did not think of it as a terrible offer. Many dynasty owners put a high value on draft picks. How would we have known if he was one of them without offering? And as noted in the thread, it was a way to open a dialogue.I expected either a response saying AP is not available or some kind of discussion/counter. While we may never have reached an agreement involving AP, I think we are in the category of owners that have reasonable trade discussions. (We have made 12 trades with 7 other owners over the past year or so.) But maybe everyone thinks that about themselves. It is pretty clear from this thread that PC was insulted by the offer. His response to it was to counter by offering Tatum Bell, Driver, and McAllister for Andre Johnson, the two 1st round picks, and the highest second round pick. It seems that some here feel that kind of response was appropriate, but all it really did was tell us not to bother initiating any more trade talks with him in the future.

As the other co-owner of the original offer, ditto.I don't want to dislike the OP. Hell, there are 14 teams in the league, so 13 potential trade partners. We sent an offer looking to get a conversation started, and instead got this counter which basically said :finger: and now I'm more than gunshy about ever sending this guy an offer again unless it's a clear winner for him right out of the box, and I'm not going to do that. So, I guess we now have 12 potential trade partners instead of 13. It's a shame, really.By the way, the listing of 'playoff team' on the value of the picks was the OP's interpretation, not something we said. The value of those picks are yet to be determined, and the two 1sts pertain to teams that are 6-5 and both could end up 6-7 and out of the playoffs.

 

[treat88]

The only people that really piss me off are the ones who refuse to respond. Generally, these guys let offers hang for days before they simply reject the offer, with no dialogue at all. That's something I'm going through in my league. The Buckhalter owner refuses to respond to any offer I send (I have Westy) and it's extraordinarily frustrating.

These owners are the true warts on FF's backside.For all that's holy, just say yes or no.

 

[Bizkiteer]

No, thanks!

 

[mobb_deep]

Tell him you're not very creative, so you went to FBG's for witty replies. Nobody helped, se you respectfully decline his offer.

 

[purplehaze67]

To me, it depends.

Yeah, there are some who will lowball just as a negotiation starter. If I can get a feel that there might be a workable deal in there somewhere with some tweaking, I am up for some back and forth.

But there are a couple types that I don't have a ton of patience for. I don't insult or send a highball offer, just hit "no" or say "make an offer" and go on my way.

First is the "I'll trade you 6 scrubs and a 5th round rookie pick for your stud RB" guy. That's just not workable for me 99.999% of the time. If I could hit the WW and get the basically same level of talent as you are offering, why would I bother to make this deal? Think about it from the other side, at least a little, before offering. If you can't make a solid case for me bettering my team, maybe you shouldn't be offering in the first place.

The other is the "What do you want for players x, y, and z?" guy. If I was looking to move any of these guys, I'd be making offers. If you are interested in any or all, you can at least put something on the table and we can go from there. If I'm going to make offers, I'll likely shop my guys to the whole league and winnow out my best return. Not sure if the motivation here is laziness, just a hope that I undervalue my own guys or what?

I could well be wrong but I never get much of a feel that either of these types are up for a good-faith, win-win scenario.

 

[gonzobill5]

Tell him you're not very creative, so you went to FBG's for witty replies. Nobody helped, se you respectfully decline his offer.

Haha.My advice is that sarcasm always works wonders. Write a long winded reply about how much you love the trade and how it really helps your team out in the future. Then at the very end ask if he really thinks Adrian Peterson will get much play for the Bears with Forte playing so well. He'll get the point and maybe come back with a serious offer.

 

[CMU37484]

IN local leagues with guys you know then you can REALLY get creative............I

ve used bnoth of these but with guys I personally know.

"Throw your wife (assuming she's hot) into the deal and we're a GO"

"Is there a reacharound included in that?"

BUT if's it's an online league where you don't know anyone, I would simply reject it and not bother responding. It's not cool to be rude and there's no point in acting "insulted" with a guy you don't even know. I sometimes counter with what I kjnow is a fair offer and simply say "this is my definition of something I'm willing to do, if we speak different languages then so be it" I said that to someone earlier this year.

 

[ratbast]

In general, I don't respond to lowball offers. I want them to come at me with an offer that is close to done, not going to take months to hash out.

Make the first offer good and I'll listen and reply. Don't expect me to do the work making the first legit offer.

 

[Riffraff]

I am one of the owners that made the offer cited in the OP. (Two co-owners.)I didn't really expect the offer to be accepted... how likely is any dynasty owner to trade Peterson? But I did not think of it as a terrible offer. Many dynasty owners put a high value on draft picks. How would we have known if he was one of them without offering? And as noted in the thread, it was a way to open a dialogue.I expected either a response saying AP is not available or some kind of discussion/counter. While we may never have reached an agreement involving AP, I think we are in the category of owners that have reasonable trade discussions. (We have made 12 trades with 7 other owners over the past year or so.) But maybe everyone thinks that about themselves. It is pretty clear from this thread that PC was insulted by the offer. His response to it was to counter by offering Tatum Bell, Driver, and McAllister for Andre Johnson, the two 1st round picks, and the highest second round pick. It seems that some here feel that kind of response was appropriate, but all it really did was tell us not to bother initiating any more trade talks with him in the future.

As the other co-owner of the original offer, ditto.I don't want to dislike the OP. Hell, there are 14 teams in the league, so 13 potential trade partners. We sent an offer looking to get a conversation started, and instead got this counter which basically said :finger: and now I'm more than gunshy about ever sending this guy an offer again unless it's a clear winner for him right out of the box, and I'm not going to do that. So, I guess we now have 12 potential trade partners instead of 13. It's a shame, really.By the way, the listing of 'playoff team' on the value of the picks was the OP's interpretation, not something we said. The value of those picks are yet to be determined, and the two 1sts pertain to teams that are 6-5 and both could end up 6-7 and out of the playoffs.

Basically, you both tried to rip the OP off and now feel he is not a trading partner because he sent you back a comparable crap offer? You alienated him first and are trying to save face now. Why didn't you accept the counter offer? As you say, it should have opened dialogue. LOLYou two are now backpedalling and saying a completely lowball offer is to get discussions started is BS. You can start discussions by asking if AD is available via e-mail or private message instead of a craptastic offer. Same with asking if the OP valued draft picks highly. You'll notice not a single supportive reply yet on your side of this offer. You know you tried to pull a fast one and I'm sure you would not have accepted it if it were the other way around. They say don't burn bridges, but the original offer was like setting the bridge on fire before you even try to cross it. You pretty much gave him the finger instead of an opening handshake. Bad business decision. Time to look in the mirror fellas, instead of blaming the other party.

 

[broncofan13000]

Counter-offer?

Not a good move to burn bridges in a dynasty. Or simply let the person know your not interested.

 

[Marauder]

When I get an offer like this one, I'll usually just reply with a simpe "No, thanks". No counter offer, no explanation. They know this is a ridiculous offer. No reason to waste any more time than necessary with them.

 

[FUBAR]

Just reply that trading AD for a pile of turds won't help you get younger. However, if he'd like to buy an aging underperformer to give you a jingle.

And add a link to Beto's rookie draft pick compared to Veteran draft pick chart.

wrong, trading almost any player for a pick will help you get younger. I'd make it clear that "getting younger" isn't my only goal. Counter, or at least email a quasi-counter to give him an idea of what you'd expect.

 

[Riffraff]

Just reply that trading AD for a pile of turds won't help you get younger. However, if he'd like to buy an aging underperformer to give you a jingle.

And add a link to Beto's rookie draft pick compared to Veteran draft pick chart.

wrong, trading almost any player for a pick will help you get younger. I'd make it clear that "getting younger" isn't my only goal. Counter, or at least email a quasi-counter to give him an idea of what you'd expect.

I agree to a point.What makes your team younger:

Trading 30 year olds for 22 year old rookies.

or

Trading 23 year olds for 22 year old rookies.

Technically, both do. But one makes the entire team age average a heck of a lot lower than the other.

The offer they made wasn't really going to help the OP get younger as a team unless he made additional trades or cut the older guys outright. The OP doesn't need this trade to do either.

Cut 1 old guy and the team just got younger and didn't cost the OP Adrian Peterson.

 

[Just Win Baby]

I am one of the owners that made the offer cited in the OP. (Two co-owners.)I didn't really expect the offer to be accepted... how likely is any dynasty owner to trade Peterson? But I did not think of it as a terrible offer. Many dynasty owners put a high value on draft picks. How would we have known if he was one of them without offering? And as noted in the thread, it was a way to open a dialogue.I expected either a response saying AP is not available or some kind of discussion/counter. While we may never have reached an agreement involving AP, I think we are in the category of owners that have reasonable trade discussions. (We have made 12 trades with 7 other owners over the past year or so.) But maybe everyone thinks that about themselves. It is pretty clear from this thread that PC was insulted by the offer. His response to it was to counter by offering Tatum Bell, Driver, and McAllister for Andre Johnson, the two 1st round picks, and the highest second round pick. It seems that some here feel that kind of response was appropriate, but all it really did was tell us not to bother initiating any more trade talks with him in the future.

As the other co-owner of the original offer, ditto.I don't want to dislike the OP. Hell, there are 14 teams in the league, so 13 potential trade partners. We sent an offer looking to get a conversation started, and instead got this counter which basically said :finger: and now I'm more than gunshy about ever sending this guy an offer again unless it's a clear winner for him right out of the box, and I'm not going to do that. So, I guess we now have 12 potential trade partners instead of 13. It's a shame, really.By the way, the listing of 'playoff team' on the value of the picks was the OP's interpretation, not something we said. The value of those picks are yet to be determined, and the two 1sts pertain to teams that are 6-5 and both could end up 6-7 and out of the playoffs.

Basically, you both tried to rip the OP off and now feel he is not a trading partner because he sent you back a comparable crap offer? You alienated him first and are trying to save face now. Why didn't you accept the counter offer?You two are now backpedalling and saying a completely lowball offer is to get discussions started is BS. You can start discussions by asking if AD is available via e-mail or private message instead of a craptastic offer. Same with asking if the OP valued draft picks highly. You'll notice not a single supportive reply yet on your side of this offer. You know you tried to pull a fast one and I'm sure you would not have accepted it if it were the other way around. They say don't burn bridges, but the original offer was like setting the bridge on fire before you even try to cross it. Time to look in the mirror fellas, instead of blaming the other party.

Trying to save face? We didn't need to post in the thread - no one knew who made the offer. There is no need to save face or backpedal, nor any attempt to do so.We've made enough trades with enough other teams in the league that it is self evident that we aren't out to rip off our trading partners. Otherwise, no one would trade with us.There was no bad intent on our part... just a poor gauge on what a reasonable offer might be to start a dialogue. IMO there is a difference between that and his offer, which was intended to be insulting.Anyway, I'll just agree to disagree with you at this point.ETA: It's not like we hatched a devious plan here. We are playing him this week, saw his lineup, said wonder what it would take to get Peterson since he is not in the playoff race, probably won't happen but what if we offered our whole draft, can't hurt to ask, and sent the email. It was basically off the cuff. Lesson learned.

 

[Genester]

I normally use two tactics for lowball offers, if I value the relationship:

(1) Would you please tell me again why you think this improves my team? Would YOU make this trade in my position?

(2) This offer looks very unbalanced to me - I am not even sure how to counter given we vary so much on valuations... if you were trying to begin the discussion with the offer, I respond much better to offers I consider balanced to help both of us.

If I dont value the relationship, all bets are off

 

[LBH]

Tell him you're not very creative, so you went to FBG's for witty replies. Nobody helped, se you respectfully decline his offer.

 

[Riffraff]

Anyway, I'll just agree to disagree with you every single person in this thread at this point.

Fixed.Like previously said, e-mail or private messages do work for gauging interest in players or picks.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Call his mother a whore

 

[Pictus Cat]

I'm back from work.

Thank you for laughs.

Punch him in the face in front of his wife & kids. Maybe in my family league. Happy holiday gatherings coming up and all.

Call his mother a whore. Not my style, but one of my biggest laughs came from a guy I barely knew who responded f off.

Throw your wife in and its a deal... too many ways for that to get awkward fast, considering how irresistable I am

Keep them coming if you have more.

Lots of good trade advice too

Keep track of trade behaviors,

respond with dialogue about players and team goals.

Counter offer seems to not be a great idea.

I've been laughing since the offer.

My counter did not convey that.

Counter offers are too vague because dynasty values vary so much.

Hey, it's my 1st year in dynasty.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Counter-offer?

Not a good move to burn bridges in a dynasty. Or simply let the person know your not interested.

Yeah, I gotta keep Tatum Bell out of my counter offers.

 

[Pictus Cat]

I am one of the owners that made the offer cited in the OP. (Two co-owners.)I didn't really expect the offer to be accepted... how likely is any dynasty owner to trade Peterson? But I did not think of it as a terrible offer. Many dynasty owners put a high value on draft picks. How would we have known if he was one of them without offering? And as noted in the thread, it was a way to open a dialogue.I expected either a response saying AP is not available or some kind of discussion/counter. While we may never have reached an agreement involving AP, I think we are in the category of owners that have reasonable trade discussions. (We have made 12 trades with 7 other owners over the past year or so.) But maybe everyone thinks that about themselves. It is pretty clear from this thread that PC was insulted by the offer. His response to it was to counter by offering Tatum Bell, Driver, and McAllister for Andre Johnson, the two 1st round picks, and the highest second round pick. It seems that some here feel that kind of response was appropriate, but all it really did was tell us not to bother initiating any more trade talks with him in the future.

As the other co-owner of the original offer, ditto.I don't want to dislike the OP. Hell, there are 14 teams in the league, so 13 potential trade partners. We sent an offer looking to get a conversation started, and instead got this counter which basically said :finger: and now I'm more than gunshy about ever sending this guy an offer again unless it's a clear winner for him right out of the box, and I'm not going to do that. So, I guess we now have 12 potential trade partners instead of 13. It's a shame, really.By the way, the listing of 'playoff team' on the value of the picks was the OP's interpretation, not something we said. The value of those picks are yet to be determined, and the two 1sts pertain to teams that are 6-5 and both could end up 6-7 and out of the playoffs.

Basically, you both tried to rip the OP off and now feel he is not a trading partner because he sent you back a comparable crap offer? You alienated him first and are trying to save face now. Why didn't you accept the counter offer?You two are now backpedalling and saying a completely lowball offer is to get discussions started is BS. You can start discussions by asking if AD is available via e-mail or private message instead of a craptastic offer. Same with asking if the OP valued draft picks highly. You'll notice not a single supportive reply yet on your side of this offer. You know you tried to pull a fast one and I'm sure you would not have accepted it if it were the other way around. They say don't burn bridges, but the original offer was like setting the bridge on fire before you even try to cross it. Time to look in the mirror fellas, instead of blaming the other party.

Trying to save face? We didn't need to post in the thread - no one knew who made the offer. There is no need to save face or backpedal, nor any attempt to do so.We've made enough trades with enough other teams in the league that it is self evident that we aren't out to rip off our trading partners. Otherwise, no one would trade with us.There was no bad intent on our part... just a poor gauge on what a reasonable offer might be to start a dialogue. IMO there is a difference between that and his offer, which was intended to be insulting.Anyway, I'll just agree to disagree with you at this point.ETA: It's not like we hatched a devious plan here. We are playing him this week, saw his lineup, said wonder what it would take to get Peterson since he is not in the playoff race, probably won't happen but what if we offered our whole draft, can't hurt to ask, and sent the email. It was basically off the cuff. Lesson learned.

I don't want to antagonize you guys.If we come to laugh about the misunderstandings, great.If not, you'll be 7 -5 soon and I wish you the best.

 

[eric rymer]

Just counter offer. What's the big deal about a lowball offer?I don't even bother sending offers to the owners in my leagues that take it as a personal insult if they feel you aren't offering enough for someone.

Amen to that.Trading is a negotiation process. It has to start somewhere. Whenever I get a junky offer I dont immediately assume that the other guy thinks that I'm a moron. The only real thing that I take from an opening offer is that someone else wants someone on my roster (and not necessarily who they made the offer for) and that I should take a look at their roster to see if we can work something out that will be to both of our liking.At the very least. there is nothing wrong with asking.

This seems like the correct answer .....He has to feel you out .... If you are not willing to part with AD , just let him know. If you are but want something else in addition to those picks ..let him know. He does not read minds I am sure. Also , other owners value Draft picks differently... that may seem like a lot to him.

Very good string of postings here. I do this all the time. I send a generic trade for a player that I am interested in. I generally include an email to the owner as well just to open the lines of communication. I used to just send out an email to the owner, but sometimes they get put by the wayside. I've found that by doing both, I generally get more responses. When you send an email to accompany an offer, you can explain your line of thinking and avoid the other owner possibly feeling insulted.

 

[Yitbos69]

Respond by asking a simple question:How much time did you waste out of your life to think of and then type that proposal, Coach Ditka????????It would be cool to answer like that but none of us ever could as you do not want to burn bridges.Edit to add: I would just say a polite, "Peterson is not available for trade". I have basically said that in my keeper leagues.

If telling someone that they just sent you the worst offer you have ever seen and questioning their intellect=burning bridges......then that all I do with stupid offers or send then one that is just as stupid if not worse than the one they sent me......