How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)

[ScottyFargo]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

 

[Chachi]

What else can it be but personal when people are posting specifically my post count? Specifically mentioning me in posts? Calling me out for things that many others are saying as well? There are several who continue to only make it personal. And you are quickly becoming one of them.

Wow, maybe it's time to stop if your feelings are getting hurt regarding Favre/Rodgers in a football message board. Somebody better pick up sho nuffs binkie quick before he breaks some blood vessels. WOW

 

[mozzy84]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

I love the fact they threw this season away, already lost twice as many games and its only November.

 

[zDragon]

It's always fun how the Rodgers/TT bashers come out after a loss, then go quiet after a win. I just want to point out one thing, Rodgers doesn't play defense. And although Rodgers threw some picks, the defense couldn't stop the Saints offense...at all.

Yes, the week he blew up all over the Lions I was ashamed I ever doubted him...until someone pointed out to me that it was the lions and then we all had a laugh.

Well if we're going to go back, then lets go back to the 1st game against Minnesota. He played excellent against a very good Minnesota defense. But more importantly, the GB defense played well.I think you're missing the point. The defense is the reason why they lost that game. You have to be able to make at least a few stops to let your offense back on the field.And as far as doubting Rodgers, where were you when he played well against Chicago the week before? Or Indianapolis? Or Atlanta, for that matter?

So the loss is on the Defense? Rodgers had three picks and the defense only managed to get one back against one of the top offenses in the league. Maybe if the Packer drives were not ended with interceptions or punts then the defense does a little better. Just maybe if 4 or 5 of the drives did not start in GB territory. Maybe, Just maybe if the Offense doesn't give the ball to one of the highest powered offenses in the league on GB on 3,29,32.

 

[zDragon]

It's always fun how the Rodgers/TT bashers come out after a loss, then go quiet after a win. I just want to point out one thing, Rodgers doesn't play defense. And although Rodgers threw some picks, the defense couldn't stop the Saints offense...at all.

Look back in the thread. I posted a list of all games played so far and the defense has kept them in a lot of those games with Picks and Forced Fumbles. In fact of the 303 points they have scored the defense has scored 49. It seems the defense is being picked on a lot even though it has provem to be explosive and at time very elite as some here have posted. Sure the defense gave up points against one of the best offenses in the league. One of the only teams scoring more per game are the Jets. Everyone knew this was going to be a shoot-out and that A. Rodgers was a big key to a wing. He did not get the job done and the turn-overs just put the defense in a bad position. You just can't have turn-overs against a high powered offense.

And Favre has never had any turnovers in a big game in which GB has lost? You can say all you want about that defense, but point of fact, while GB is very good at turnovers they are very poor at stopping 3rd down conversions. Their run defense isn't the best either at 26th in the league. That defense is good against one dimensional teams (Minny earlier in the year comes to mind), but when you add in threats on both rushing and passing, that defense is average at best (2nd Minny game as an example).

1. Never said he didn't. 2. They are not at the bottom of the league in giving up 3rd down conversions.

3. Yes they are an explosive average defense. Last year they were an average defense.

In the NO loss the defense was defending almost half the game in their territory. Makes any defense look bad.

 

[hauser42]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

If you are refering to the local media you have to take some of them with a grain of salt. On the radio you have Havel who has made a bunch by writing some books for Brett. He will never do anything but tell you a Brett favorable story. Harry Sydney has a ax to grind with TT and the packer front office. He has nothing good about the Packers and keeps bringing up his days as a 49er when he was only a special team player.Most of the writers have been right down the middle with articles supporting both sides and not taking a side one way or the other.

Some of Favre's national media buddies have been ones that have put out the TT anti Favre stance. Once again they are usually going to report something that is to Brett's favor. Honestly Glazer reports about the Lions call and a bunch of other reporters rush to Brett's side to put a different spin to not tarnish Favre.

Brett was offered to come back after the draft and the team had the plane ready (local and national media reports), but Brett called back and said no thanks I am RETIRED. He would have been the man at this point if he comes back. Late July he decides he want back in after training camp has already started and all offseason programs have ended.

The team went 13-3 the year before not Brett Favre, and with him stating at his retirement he was done he needed to prove himself again. He told the staff he would not be a dedicated player that they wanted, so how do you let that player remain a starter? IF he would have taken the right course in those meetings and gotten himself in camp he most likely could have won a QB battle. But he handled it his way and the Packer went their way.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

 

[pack66]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

If you are refering to the local media you have to take some of them with a grain of salt. On the radio you have Havel who has made a bunch by writing some books for Brett. He will never do anything but tell you a Brett favorable story. Harry Sydney has a ax to grind with TT and the packer front office. He has nothing good about the Packers and keeps bringing up his days as a 49er when he was only a special team player.Most of the writers have been right down the middle with articles supporting both sides and not taking a side one way or the other.

Some of Favre's national media buddies have been ones that have put out the TT anti Favre stance. Once again they are usually going to report something that is to Brett's favor. Honestly Glazer reports about the Lions call and a bunch of other reporters rush to Brett's side to put a different spin to not tarnish Favre.

Brett was offered to come back after the draft and the team had the plane ready (local and national media reports), but Brett called back and said no thanks I am RETIRED. He would have been the man at this point if he comes back. Late July he decides he want back in after training camp has already started and all offseason programs have ended.

The team went 13-3 the year before not Brett Favre, and with him stating at his retirement he was done he needed to prove himself again. He told the staff he would not be a dedicated player that they wanted, so how do you let that player remain a starter? IF he would have taken the right course in those meetings and gotten himself in camp he most likely could have won a QB battle. But he handled it his way and the Packer went their way.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

And to zDragon:

An explosive defense that can't get off the field on 3rd and long is not a good defense. Last year's defense was better with more depth at DL. This year, with Corey Williams gone and Cullen Jenkins out plus the safety injuries, the defense is not the same.

From JSOnline:

The Packers rank 17th in total defense. The Packers haven't finished a season ranked that low since '04, when they were 25th. Only three times since 1992 have the Packers finished with a total defense ranked lower than 17th.

Against the run, the Packers have the 26th-ranked unit. Green Bay hasn't ended a season ranked that low since it finished 26th in 1983. It hasn't finished lower since being ranked 28th against the run in 1979. Link

As far as defending on the other half the field....talk to Derrick Frost, not Rodgers.

 

[teamroc]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

More proof that keeping both was the way to go. Extend Rodgers in June. You trusted him this much, extend him. Turns out it would have been for A LOT less money. I do have to give props to Rodgers, he was throw into the fire more then any other 1st year QB in recent memory. And he's played hard. You see a lot of young QBs crack under a lot less pressure, like Harrington/Carr.

 

[Phurfur]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

More proof that keeping both was the way to go. Extend Rodgers in June. You trusted him this much, extend him. Turns out it would have been for A LOT less money. I do have to give props to Rodgers, he was throw into the fire more then any other 1st year QB in recent memory. And he's played hard. You see a lot of young QBs crack under a lot less pressure, like Harrington/Carr.

Why would Rodgers sign if he hasn't played in 4 years. They sure couldn't give him the same money if he didn't play in '08.

 

[J R]

Rodgers has a higher DVOA than Favre so far this season.

Yeah clearly they should have kept Favre for 1 more year, and extended Rodgers. Cake + eating it.

Perhaps. I'm of the opinion that Rodgers is the better player though.

 

[zDragon]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

If you are refering to the local media you have to take some of them with a grain of salt. On the radio you have Havel who has made a bunch by writing some books for Brett. He will never do anything but tell you a Brett favorable story. Harry Sydney has a ax to grind with TT and the packer front office. He has nothing good about the Packers and keeps bringing up his days as a 49er when he was only a special team player.Most of the writers have been right down the middle with articles supporting both sides and not taking a side one way or the other.

Some of Favre's national media buddies have been ones that have put out the TT anti Favre stance. Once again they are usually going to report something that is to Brett's favor. Honestly Glazer reports about the Lions call and a bunch of other reporters rush to Brett's side to put a different spin to not tarnish Favre.

Brett was offered to come back after the draft and the team had the plane ready (local and national media reports), but Brett called back and said no thanks I am RETIRED. He would have been the man at this point if he comes back. Late July he decides he want back in after training camp has already started and all offseason programs have ended.

The team went 13-3 the year before not Brett Favre, and with him stating at his retirement he was done he needed to prove himself again. He told the staff he would not be a dedicated player that they wanted, so how do you let that player remain a starter? IF he would have taken the right course in those meetings and gotten himself in camp he most likely could have won a QB battle. But he handled it his way and the Packer went their way.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

And to zDragon:

An explosive defense that can't get off the field on 3rd and long is not a good defense. Last year's defense was better with more depth at DL. This year, with Corey Williams gone and Cullen Jenkins out plus the safety injuries, the defense is not the same.

From JSOnline:

The Packers rank 17th in total defense. The Packers haven't finished a season ranked that low since '04, when they were 25th. Only three times since 1992 have the Packers finished with a total defense ranked lower than 17th.

Against the run, the Packers have the 26th-ranked unit. Green Bay hasn't ended a season ranked that low since it finished 26th in 1983. It hasn't finished lower since being ranked 28th against the run in 1979. Link

As far as defending on the other half the field....talk to Derrick Frost, not Rodgers.

Could it be that maybe the offense is putting the D in bad situations. The 3rd effeciency of the defense is right smack in the middle of the league. Right there with the another team that only has three losses everyone is comparing this GB team with. I'd like to avoid that though and stick with the facts below and once again reflecting blame to something other than the offense.

So why talk to Frost

NO drive starting on GB3 Rodgers interception.

NO drive starting on GB29 Rodgers interception.

Frost NO23,GB41 (from 17),NO16,NO39. So he was only responsible for one of the NO starts in GB turf and that was after a 3 and out for the Pack offense.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Rodgers has a higher DVOA than Favre so far this season.

Yeah clearly they should have kept Favre for 1 more year, and extended Rodgers. Cake + eating it.

Perhaps. I'm of the opinion that Rodgers is the better player though.

Are you saying this just because Rodgers will be around for a long time?

 

[parasaurolophus]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Another part of this all that makes no sense is why did TT draft a QB with his 2nd rd pick??? Especially after letting Williams leave. Should have been looking for a replacement there.Wouldnt a veteran QB have been the best way to go, no matter what? He was obviously sold on Rodgers. If he was worried about injury to Rodgers, then a 2nd rd rookie QB was not the right replacement.

The only possible explanation is that by taking the QB he could hide behind that and say "we have moved on".

 

[pack66]

Could it be that maybe the offense is putting the D in bad situations. The 3rd effeciency of the defense is right smack in the middle of the league. Right there with the another team that only has three losses everyone is comparing this GB team with.

I'd like to avoid that though and stick with the facts below and once again reflecting blame to something other than the offense.

So why talk to Frost

NO drive starting on GB3 Rodgers interception.

NO drive starting on GB29 Rodgers interception.

Frost NO23,GB41 (from 17),NO16,NO39. So he was only responsible for one of the NO starts in GB turf and that was after a 3 and out for the Pack offense.

Ok, let's talk drives then. How about this drive? NO's 2nd possession in the 1st half:

New Orleans Saints at 08:39

2-M.Crosby kicks 69 yards from GB 30 to NO 1. 15-C.Roby to NO 30 for 29 yards (30-J.Kuhn).

1-10-NO 30 (8:30) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass short right to 16-L.Moore for 70 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

(Kick formation) PENALTY on NO-73-J.Evans, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at GB 2 - No Play.

5-G.Hartley extra point is GOOD, Center-47-K.Houser, Holder-4-G.Pakulak.

GB 7 NO 7 Plays: 1 Possession: 0:22

At the end of the 2nd half, it was 21-24 NO. Statistically speaking, most teams have an "@ home" advantage and most teams win their home game. To be w/in 3 at halftime in an away game against what someone in this thread said is the hottest offense in the nfl is pretty good. To recap, no Int's by Rodgers, down by 3 at the half.

Now let's take a look at New Orlean's first drive of the 2nd half:

2-M.Crosby kicks 75 yards from GB 30 to NO -5. 15-C.Roby, Touchback.

1-10-NO 20 (15:00) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short left to 83-B.Miller (31-A.Harris).

2-10-NO 20 (14:54) 23-P.Thomas right tackle to NO 22 for 2 yards (21-C.Woodson).

3-8-NO 22 (14:12) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass short middle to 88-J.Shockey to NO 36 for 14 yards (54-B.Chillar).

1-10-NO 36 (13:29) 9-D.Brees sacked at NO 31 for -5 yards (54-B.Chillar).

2-15-NO 31 (12:58) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete short middle to 16-L.Moore (90-C.Cole).

Timeout #1 by NO at 12:53.

3-15-NO 31 (12:53) 9-D.Brees pass short left to 16-L.Moore to NO 46 for 15 yards (36-N.Collins). Green Bay challenged the first down ruling, and the play was REVERSED. 9-D.Brees pass short left to 16-L.Moore to NO 45 for 14 yards (36-N.Collins).

4-1-NO 45 (12:29) 23-P.Thomas right tackle to NO 49 for 4 yards (96-M.Montgomery).

1-10-NO 49 (11:47) 9-D.Brees pass short right to 83-B.Miller to GB 44 for 7 yards (50-A.Hawk).

2-3-GB 44 (11:15) 23-P.Thomas right end to GB 35 for 9 yards (37-A.Rouse, 51-B.Poppinga).

1-10-GB 35 (10:33) 23-P.Thomas right tackle to GB 34 for 1 yard (50-A.Hawk, 91-J.Harrell).

2-9-GB 34 (9:55) 9-D.Brees pass incomplete deep left to 12-M.Colston. PENALTY on GB-36-N.Collins, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at GB 34 - No Play.

1-10-GB 29 (9:47) 23-P.Thomas right end pushed ob at GB 20 for 9 yards (37-A.Rouse).

2-1-GB 20 (9:22) 23-P.Thomas right guard to GB 16 for 4 yards (96-M.Montgomery).

1-10-GB 16 (8:39) (Shotgun) 9-D.Brees pass deep right to 83-B.Miller for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

5-G.Hartley extra point is GOOD, Center-47-K.Houser, Holder-4-G.Pakulak.

GB 21 NO 31 Plays: 13 Possession: 6:26

This was the GB D after the half...well rested.

Notice a trend? Two third down conversions and a penalty, each of which kept the drive alive. End result? 21-31 New Orleans. So now GB is down 10, away, with no help from the GB D. What does Rodgers do? Force a pass into coverage in order to try and make a play...his first interception. Some would say that's classic Favre.

Of the 7 possessions NO had in the 2nd half, 4 ended in TDs, 1 ended in an interception and 2 ended in punts (when NO was well ahead and running out the clock). If you're a good Defense...or an average one...you force three and outs or at least field goals.

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

 

[pack66]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Another part of this all that makes no sense is why did TT draft a QB with his 2nd rd pick??? Especially after letting Williams leave. Should have been looking for a replacement there.Wouldnt a veteran QB have been the best way to go, no matter what? He was obviously sold on Rodgers. If he was worried about injury to Rodgers, then a 2nd rd rookie QB was not the right replacement.

The only possible explanation is that by taking the QB he could hide behind that and say "we have moved on".

Brohm was clearly a value pick. Had Brohm come out a year before, he was projected by TSN as the top pick, others had him going no lower than 1st round. I have no problem with value based drafting.

 

[zDragon]

Rodgers has a higher DVOA than Favre so far this season.

Yeah clearly they should have kept Favre for 1 more year, and extended Rodgers. Cake + eating it.

Perhaps. I'm of the opinion that Rodgers is the better player though.

Are you saying this just because Rodgers will be around for a long time?

Rodgers being younger to me is a huge advantage. I think Favre plays at tops another two years. More than likely he plays next year and is done though.done.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

Yet you had this say in this thread...QUOTE (hauser42 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM)

Packer front office made the right move in getting Favre out of town and let the young guy take over. Favre will be one and done in New York. He threw up a hail mary that some how no Dolphin could get to and won the game. Yesterday he threw the pick that led to the deciding score.

Brett had a great season because of the cast around him and now Rodgers is reaping the same benefits this year. Rodgers will put up some solid numbers this season. The backup issue is a concern, but TT always has a plan.

Seems to me you are comparing this year to last year as well due to the "cast around him".

 

[parasaurolophus]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Another part of this all that makes no sense is why did TT draft a QB with his 2nd rd pick??? Especially after letting Williams leave. Should have been looking for a replacement there.Wouldnt a veteran QB have been the best way to go, no matter what? He was obviously sold on Rodgers. If he was worried about injury to Rodgers, then a 2nd rd rookie QB was not the right replacement.

The only possible explanation is that by taking the QB he could hide behind that and say "we have moved on".

Brohm was clearly a value pick. Had Brohm come out a year before, he was projected by TSN as the top pick, others had him going no lower than 1st round. I have no problem with value based drafting.

So we value players based on what they would have been drafted at the year before?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Rodgers has a higher DVOA than Favre so far this season.

Yeah clearly they should have kept Favre for 1 more year, and extended Rodgers. Cake + eating it.

Perhaps. I'm of the opinion that Rodgers is the better player though.

Are you saying this just because Rodgers will be around for a long time?

Rodgers being younger to me is a huge advantage. I think Favre plays at tops another two years. More than likely he plays next year and is done though.done.

when you have the option to have both age isnt an issue. He said Rodgers was a better player. Wanted to make sure I knew what he was evaluating

 

[zDragon]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

 

[pack66]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

I think that it is a team game and to blame one player, ergo Rodgers, is being shortsighted. Which is why I have a problem with this thread and any other Favre v. Rodgers thread. That being said, that first pick was forced into coverage and may not have been if Rodgers didn't think he had to make a play to keep the team in the game. Up until that part in the game, GB had only forced one three and out. All the other NOLA possessions were TDs, iirc. I think Rodgers was feeling the heat of trying to keep up because the defense could not do it's part in stopping the NOLA offense.You admit that the 2nd half was about equal. So what changes in the 3rd quarter? NOLA scores on their first drive putting GB in a hole and now GB is playing behind in a shootout. Again, keep in mind that the GB defense has not stopped NOLA for anything all game.Also keep in mind that the 1st pick Rodgers throws is the pick Jennings slipped.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.

NO drives and scores.

GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)

NO Gets 3 yds and scores.

GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)

NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.

GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)

11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

Also keep in mind that the 1st pick Rodgers throws is the pick Jennings slipped.

And every written report on that throw stated it would have been picken even if Jennings didn't slip. McGinn's grade on Rodgers play on Monday night.QUARTERBACKS (1½)

At this point, it's probably too much to ask Rodgers to carry this team. Operating against a very weak secondary and what had been a marginal pass rush, he wasn't sharp enough with his reads or accuracy. The Superdome was really, really loud, but the Packers have the silent-count routine down now so they use the shotgun anywhere. But Rodgers just threw some terrible passes. On the first interception, he appeared to rush a square-out of about 14 yards to Jennings when he was running a corner at about 18. Yes, Jennings slipped, but the fault falls on Rodgers. Given that coverage, the ball probably should have been thrown elsewhere. It was a killer mistake. Later, he threw a hanger to Donald Driver that Gay dropped or it might have gone for a 37-yard TD. Rodgers scrambled eight times for 36 yards, but only two or three were pressure-related. He just likes taking off. He's good at it, too.

 

[zDragon]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

I think that it is a team game and to blame one player, ergo Rodgers, is being shortsighted. Which is why I have a problem with this thread and any other Favre v. Rodgers thread. That being said, that first pick was forced into coverage and may not have been if Rodgers didn't think he had to make a play to keep the team in the game. Up until that part in the game, GB had only forced one three and out. All the other NOLA possessions were TDs, iirc. I think Rodgers was feeling the heat of trying to keep up because the defense could not do it's part in stopping the NOLA offense.You admit that the 2nd half was about equal. So what changes in the 3rd quarter? NOLA scores on their first drive putting GB in a hole and now GB is playing behind in a shootout. Again, keep in mind that the GB defense has not stopped NOLA for anything all game.Also keep in mind that the 1st pick Rodgers throws is the pick Jennings slipped.

Rodgers or Favre the defense is getting more blame than it should. The offense had 9 plays up until 3 or 4 minutes in the third!!! The TEAM had done what it needed until the Offense sputtered out. The INT the Defense got in the 2nd half was huge and could have gotten the Packers back in the game but the Offense went three and out again.Why didn't Rodgers feel the pressure in the first half, why not in the fourth quarter where the finally put together a drive. Sounds like an excuse to me. As I've stated everyone knew it was going to be a shoot-out NO puts up points every game.

 

[pack66]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.

NO drives and scores.

GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)

NO Gets 3 yds and scores.

GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)

NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.

GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)

11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

Also keep in mind that the 1st pick Rodgers throws is the pick Jennings slipped.

And every written report on that throw stated it would have been picken even if Jennings didn't slip. McGinn's grade on Rodgers play on Monday night.QUARTERBACKS (1½)

At this point, it's probably too much to ask Rodgers to carry this team. Operating against a very weak secondary and what had been a marginal pass rush, he wasn't sharp enough with his reads or accuracy. The Superdome was really, really loud, but the Packers have the silent-count routine down now so they use the shotgun anywhere. But Rodgers just threw some terrible passes. On the first interception, he appeared to rush a square-out of about 14 yards to Jennings when he was running a corner at about 18. Yes, Jennings slipped, but the fault falls on Rodgers. Given that coverage, the ball probably should have been thrown elsewhere. It was a killer mistake. Later, he threw a hanger to Donald Driver that Gay dropped or it might have gone for a 37-yard TD. Rodgers scrambled eight times for 36 yards, but only two or three were pressure-related. He just likes taking off. He's good at it, too.

Granted, but the point is, you can't hang this loss on Rodgers alone and that's where this thread has gone. The defense has to share some of the blame. Yes, Rodger's picks didn't help, but neither did GB's defensive play.

 

[J R]

Rodgers has a higher DVOA than Favre so far this season.

Yeah clearly they should have kept Favre for 1 more year, and extended Rodgers. Cake + eating it.

Perhaps. I'm of the opinion that Rodgers is the better player though.

Are you saying this just because Rodgers will be around for a long time?

No. I think Rodgers is better right now. I admit it's arguable though and that's why I added the "perhaps."

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Rodgers has a higher DVOA than Favre so far this season.

Yeah clearly they should have kept Favre for 1 more year, and extended Rodgers. Cake + eating it.

Perhaps. I'm of the opinion that Rodgers is the better player though.

Are you saying this just because Rodgers will be around for a long time?

No. I think Rodgers is better right now. I admit it's arguable though and that's why I added the "perhaps."

You actually think that Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Brett Favre? WOW!

 

[hauser42]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

Yet you had this say in this thread...QUOTE (hauser42 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM)

Packer front office made the right move in getting Favre out of town and let the young guy take over. Favre will be one and done in New York. He threw up a hail mary that some how no Dolphin could get to and won the game. Yesterday he threw the pick that led to the deciding score.

Brett had a great season because of the cast around him and now Rodgers is reaping the same benefits this year. Rodgers will put up some solid numbers this season. The backup issue is a concern, but TT always has a plan.

Seems to me you are comparing this year to last year as well due to the "cast around him".

Way to spin this your way. I was comparing the talent of the team around the QB. When you look at records you have to also take into consideration the schedule, injuries and the talent on the field. Last year like I said a lot of things fell in place with healthy team and easy schedule for them. Rodgers is reaping the benefits of the team around him that TT helped put in place. What he did not have Grant, Jennings and the ball hawking DBs to help the team?? Rodgers would look like many other QBs that have struggled to preform when they got their chance

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

Yet you had this say in this thread...QUOTE (hauser42 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM)

Packer front office made the right move in getting Favre out of town and let the young guy take over. Favre will be one and done in New York. He threw up a hail mary that some how no Dolphin could get to and won the game. Yesterday he threw the pick that led to the deciding score.

Brett had a great season because of the cast around him and now Rodgers is reaping the same benefits this year. Rodgers will put up some solid numbers this season. The backup issue is a concern, but TT always has a plan.

Seems to me you are comparing this year to last year as well due to the "cast around him".

Rodgers is reaping the benefits of the team around him that TT helped put in place.

 

[hauser42]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

Yet you had this say in this thread...QUOTE (hauser42 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM)

Packer front office made the right move in getting Favre out of town and let the young guy take over. Favre will be one and done in New York. He threw up a hail mary that some how no Dolphin could get to and won the game. Yesterday he threw the pick that led to the deciding score.

Brett had a great season because of the cast around him and now Rodgers is reaping the same benefits this year. Rodgers will put up some solid numbers this season. The backup issue is a concern, but TT always has a plan.

Seems to me you are comparing this year to last year as well due to the "cast around him".

Rodgers is reaping the benefits of the team around him that TT helped put in place.

Why do I think it was a right move, because of the following stats. Brett's 1st year starting 15 games (13 games started)

3227 passing yds, 18TDs,13 ints,64% Completion rate

Rodgers this year 11 games all started

2599 passing yds, 17tds, 9ints, 63.5% completetion rate.

Besides the passing yards these two guys are close when it comes to their first chance at starting.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

Yet you had this say in this thread...QUOTE (hauser42 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM)

Packer front office made the right move in getting Favre out of town and let the young guy take over. Favre will be one and done in New York. He threw up a hail mary that some how no Dolphin could get to and won the game. Yesterday he threw the pick that led to the deciding score.

Brett had a great season because of the cast around him and now Rodgers is reaping the same benefits this year. Rodgers will put up some solid numbers this season. The backup issue is a concern, but TT always has a plan.

Seems to me you are comparing this year to last year as well due to the "cast around him".

Rodgers is reaping the benefits of the team around him that TT helped put in place.

Why do I think it was a right move, because of the following stats. Brett's 1st year starting 15 games (13 games started)

3227 passing yds, 18TDs,13 ints,64% Completion rate

Rodgers this year 11 games all started

2599 passing yds, 17tds, 9ints, 63.5% completetion rate.

Besides the passing yards these two guys are close when it comes to their first chance at starting.

Brett Favre in his first year(his second in the NFL) with the Packers was 8-5 as a starter not including the comeback win against the Bengals the week before he took over for good.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

Yet you had this say in this thread...QUOTE (hauser42 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM)

Packer front office made the right move in getting Favre out of town and let the young guy take over. Favre will be one and done in New York. He threw up a hail mary that some how no Dolphin could get to and won the game. Yesterday he threw the pick that led to the deciding score.

Brett had a great season because of the cast around him and now Rodgers is reaping the same benefits this year. Rodgers will put up some solid numbers this season. The backup issue is a concern, but TT always has a plan.

Seems to me you are comparing this year to last year as well due to the "cast around him".

Rodgers is reaping the benefits of the team around him that TT helped put in place.

Huh? You acknowledge it is the same team as last year yet this team is 5-6 and somehow Rodgers is benefiting from the team TT build but this same team with Favre was 13-3 last year.

 

[The Jacket]

Have you watched Rodgers play at all? The guy has every bit as strong an arm as Favre.

 

[hauser42]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

Yet you had this say in this thread...QUOTE (hauser42 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM)

Packer front office made the right move in getting Favre out of town and let the young guy take over. Favre will be one and done in New York. He threw up a hail mary that some how no Dolphin could get to and won the game. Yesterday he threw the pick that led to the deciding score.

Brett had a great season because of the cast around him and now Rodgers is reaping the same benefits this year. Rodgers will put up some solid numbers this season. The backup issue is a concern, but TT always has a plan.

Seems to me you are comparing this year to last year as well due to the "cast around him".

Rodgers is reaping the benefits of the team around him that TT helped put in place.

Huh? You acknowledge it is the same team as last year yet this team is 5-6 and somehow Rodgers is benefiting from the team TT build but this same team with Favre was 13-3 last year.

Same team to start the season with a much tougher schedule than last year. Even with Brett running this team most fans would realize that this team was not going to win 13 wins. To start the season 10 wins would have been a good match even with Brett. This doesn't include the injuries that have hit this team something that did not happen last year.

 

[hauser42]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

Yet you had this say in this thread...QUOTE (hauser42 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:19 PM)

Packer front office made the right move in getting Favre out of town and let the young guy take over. Favre will be one and done in New York. He threw up a hail mary that some how no Dolphin could get to and won the game. Yesterday he threw the pick that led to the deciding score.

Brett had a great season because of the cast around him and now Rodgers is reaping the same benefits this year. Rodgers will put up some solid numbers this season. The backup issue is a concern, but TT always has a plan.

Seems to me you are comparing this year to last year as well due to the "cast around him".

Rodgers is reaping the benefits of the team around him that TT helped put in place.

Why do I think it was a right move, because of the following stats. Brett's 1st year starting 15 games (13 games started)

3227 passing yds, 18TDs,13 ints,64% Completion rate

Rodgers this year 11 games all started

2599 passing yds, 17tds, 9ints, 63.5% completetion rate.

Besides the passing yards these two guys are close when it comes to their first chance at starting.

Brett Favre in his first year(his second in the NFL) with the Packers was 8-5 as a starter not including the comeback win against the Bengals the week before he took over for good.

That team was also playing a last place schedule as the year before they went 4-12, not 13-3. They had a six game winning streak till the Vikes beat them the last week of the season. Rodgers could still put this team into the playoffs with a winning streak at the end of the season.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Same team to start the season with a much tougher schedule than last year. Even with Brett running this team most fans would realize that this team was not going to win 13 wins. To start the season 10 wins would have been a good match even with Brett. This doesn't include the injuries that have hit this team something that did not happen last year.

Would have been an even tougher schedule had Jacksonville not fallen apart, Indy had such a rough start to the beginning of the year (injuries, o noes!), and Seattle lose all their players to the black plague. Then again, this year who would have thought that the Packers would lose against such tough teams as the NFC South's Saints and Atlanta Falcons. Good news for the Pack is their remaining schedule only features two teams with a winning record, so they have a shot at going 3-2 to finish the year out at 8-8. Tougher schedule, ya, what a rip.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Same team to start the season with a much tougher schedule than last year. Even with Brett running this team most fans would realize that this team was not going to win 13 wins. To start the season 10 wins would have been a good match even with Brett. This doesn't include the injuries that have hit this team something that did not happen last year.

Would have been an even tougher schedule had Jacksonville not fallen apart, Indy had such a rough start to the beginning of the year (injuries, o noes!), and Seattle lose all their players to the black plague. Then again, this year who would have thought that the Packers would lose against such tough teams as the NFC South's Saints and Atlanta Falcons. Good news for the Pack is their remaining schedule only features two teams with a winning record, so they have a shot at going 3-2 to finish the year out at 8-8. Tougher schedule, ya, what a rip.

we drew the NFC south this year vs the NFC east last year. The NFC east's worst team last year was 8-8 and had the other 13-3 team and the eventual SB winner. I would say last years was harder here.This year they got the AFC south vs the AFC west last year. I would say this year is harder.St louis and Carolina last year vs Dallas and Seattle this year. Definitely harder this year, but not overwhelmingly so.They currently sit at 3-1 in the division and went 4-2 last year so i would say this is obviously a wash, unless they lose to detroit, in which case we can throw schedules out the window and immediately end all arguments.So yes, the schedule is harder, but not a huge difference.

 

[bcr8f]

Have you watched Rodgers play at all? The guy has every bit as strong an arm as Favre.

Hey genius. Nice rebuttal. According to teammates his arm is stronger. Favre had a stronger one when he was younger but he's 39.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Have you watched Rodgers play at all? The guy has every bit as strong an arm as Favre.

Hey genius. Nice rebuttal. According to teammates his arm is stronger. Favre had a stronger one when he was younger but he's 39.

have his teamates claimed he has a stronger arm?Or are you referring to them talking about his deep ball? There is a lot that goes into what they were saying, lets not forget how much they used to praise Blake's deep balls to Carl Pickens. I dont really think anybody felt he had a stronger arm than many QBs. I dont think his teammates feel Rodgers has a stronger arm than Favre.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Have you watched Rodgers play at all? The guy has every bit as strong an arm as Favre.

Hey genius. Nice rebuttal. According to teammates his arm is stronger. Favre had a stronger one when he was younger but he's 39.

This could easily be "teammate" speak. If you were on a team, would you be telling the media, family, friends, other teammates, that the last QB was "better", had a stronger arm, threw a better ball, than the current one? Um, no you would not, just like McCarthy has to repeat everything Thompson says. It is their jobs on the line if they don't repeat what their boss says. I would not put too much stock in what current Packers say about Rodgers in comparison to Favre for this reason alone.

 

[J R]

we drew the NFC south this year vs the NFC east last year. The NFC east's worst team last year was 8-8 and had the other 13-3 team and the eventual SB winner. I would say last years was harder here.

This year they got the AFC south vs the AFC west last year. I would say this year is harder.

St louis and Carolina last year vs Dallas and Seattle this year. Definitely harder this year, but not overwhelmingly so.

They currently sit at 3-1 in the division and went 4-2 last year so i would say this is obviously a wash, unless they lose to detroit, in which case we can throw schedules out the window and immediately end all arguments.

So yes, the schedule is harder, but not a huge difference.

Very generous of you.

 

[T.A.]

Have you watched Rodgers play at all? The guy has every bit as strong an arm as Favre.

Hey genius. Nice rebuttal. According to teammates his arm is stronger. Favre had a stronger one when he was younger but he's 39.

This could easily be "teammate" speak. If you were on a team, would you be telling the media, family, friends, other teammates, that the last QB was "better", had a stronger arm, threw a better ball, than the current one? Um, no you would not, just like McCarthy has to repeat everything Thompson says. It is their jobs on the line if they don't repeat what their boss says. I would not put too much stock in what current Packers say about Rodgers in comparison to Favre for this reason alone.

As opposed to "the Jacket" on an internet forum?

 

[ScottyFargo]

we drew the NFC south this year vs the NFC east last year. The NFC east's worst team last year was 8-8 and had the other 13-3 team and the eventual SB winner. I would say last years was harder here.

This year they got the AFC south vs the AFC west last year. I would say this year is harder.

St louis and Carolina last year vs Dallas and Seattle this year. Definitely harder this year, but not overwhelmingly so.

They currently sit at 3-1 in the division and went 4-2 last year so i would say this is obviously a wash, unless they lose to detroit, in which case we can throw schedules out the window and immediately end all arguments.

So yes, the schedule is harder, but not a huge difference.

Very generous of you.

Jacksonville is not the same team it was last year, Indy's not the same team it was last year, Tenn improved, and Hou is still Houston. As the year played out, AFC South has proved to be no where near the challenge that the NFC East was last year. Packer fans need to quit wallowing in the self pity of "harder schedule".

 

[sho nuff]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

 

[sho nuff]

What else can it be but personal when people are posting specifically my post count? Specifically mentioning me in posts? Calling me out for things that many others are saying as well? There are several who continue to only make it personal. And you are quickly becoming one of them.

Wow, maybe it's time to stop if your feelings are getting hurt regarding Favre/Rodgers in a football message board. Somebody better pick up sho nuffs binkie quick before he breaks some blood vessels. WOW

And here is the king of not discussing the topic but only making it personal.Oh...and my feelings are not hurt at all. I don't really care at all what a few of you think of me.

The point is, this board is not supposed to be about acting in such a manner. Yet a few of you act like children and can only try to insult others rather than actually participate in any meaningful conversation and debate.

It is a football message board...as you said...so why don't you try actually discussing football rather than again trying to take a cheap shot at me?

 

[sho nuff]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

More proof that keeping both was the way to go. Extend Rodgers in June. You trusted him this much, extend him. Turns out it would have been for A LOT less money. I do have to give props to Rodgers, he was throw into the fire more then any other 1st year QB in recent memory. And he's played hard. You see a lot of young QBs crack under a lot less pressure, like Harrington/Carr.

Again...some of you assume that Rodgers would have signed an extension after Favre came back.

 

[sho nuff]

Wonderful point just wonderful points and facts to back up more stance.

You are forgetting the biggest one of all.

Brett Favre quite/retired from the Green Bay Packers shortly after last season. He only wanted back in when training camp began, and the team had already moved on.

Please. "Moved on" how? Did they bring in new WR's that Favre would have to get to know? Did they alter the playbook so drastically in the 1st week of TC that he wouldn't be able to catch up?

They're moving on consisted of calling Aaron Rodgers the QB. That wasn't so far a step that it was impossible to go back to Favre, save for the fact that TT did not want Favre's shadow there. He wanted to create a new legacy, he thought the rest of the team was ready enough to get back the division and into the playoffs. But he was wrong, and now the Jets are the ones who benefit while GB suffers the loss of a legend on the back of TT's spite.

No they offered him a chance to come back in early summer but he told them to stay home he was going to stay retired. Then when he wanted to come back they sat down and had intense talk with him on how dedicated he would be. Brett was unsure he could put the time in that the coaching staff was wanting.Brett had a couple of chances to come back to GB, before he was traded to the Jets.

This myth out there that Ted Thompson wanted Brett out is so BS, I can not believe how many people think that way.

Dude, you live 20 miles away from Green Bay. I am assuming you heard or read the local news all summer about this crap. Are you going to believe national media over local stuff? I sure won't and I have ten years of experience with Green Bay media vs. National media about Green Bay. An offer of a back up role to a 17 year vet who led the team to a 13-3 record the following year is a slap in the face to said QB... any QB. Why would you or anyone want to return to a team that offered a back up role to the team that he lead a year before without injury or other happening that would lessen his abilities? The offer sucked and was a proverbial FU to Favre. To blame or put blame on Favre for that is ridiculous.

If you are refering to the local media you have to take some of them with a grain of salt. On the radio you have Havel who has made a bunch by writing some books for Brett. He will never do anything but tell you a Brett favorable story. Harry Sydney has a ax to grind with TT and the packer front office. He has nothing good about the Packers and keeps bringing up his days as a 49er when he was only a special team player.Most of the writers have been right down the middle with articles supporting both sides and not taking a side one way or the other.

Some of Favre's national media buddies have been ones that have put out the TT anti Favre stance. Once again they are usually going to report something that is to Brett's favor. Honestly Glazer reports about the Lions call and a bunch of other reporters rush to Brett's side to put a different spin to not tarnish Favre.

Brett was offered to come back after the draft and the team had the plane ready (local and national media reports), but Brett called back and said no thanks I am RETIRED. He would have been the man at this point if he comes back. Late July he decides he want back in after training camp has already started and all offseason programs have ended.

The team went 13-3 the year before not Brett Favre, and with him stating at his retirement he was done he needed to prove himself again. He told the staff he would not be a dedicated player that they wanted, so how do you let that player remain a starter? IF he would have taken the right course in those meetings and gotten himself in camp he most likely could have won a QB battle. But he handled it his way and the Packer went their way.

Those you are comparing this year to last year are way off base. Go back the last five years and look up how many teams have gone 13-3, it is not a lot. Take those teams and see how many of those teams came back had a record close to that. Last year lot of things fell into place for the Packers.

And to zDragon:

An explosive defense that can't get off the field on 3rd and long is not a good defense. Last year's defense was better with more depth at DL. This year, with Corey Williams gone and Cullen Jenkins out plus the safety injuries, the defense is not the same.

From JSOnline:

The Packers rank 17th in total defense. The Packers haven't finished a season ranked that low since '04, when they were 25th. Only three times since 1992 have the Packers finished with a total defense ranked lower than 17th.

Against the run, the Packers have the 26th-ranked unit. Green Bay hasn't ended a season ranked that low since it finished 26th in 1983. It hasn't finished lower since being ranked 28th against the run in 1979. Link

As far as defending on the other half the field....talk to Derrick Frost, not Rodgers.

Could it be that maybe the offense is putting the D in bad situations. The 3rd effeciency of the defense is right smack in the middle of the league. Right there with the another team that only has three losses everyone is comparing this GB team with. I'd like to avoid that though and stick with the facts below and once again reflecting blame to something other than the offense.

So why talk to Frost

NO drive starting on GB3 Rodgers interception.

NO drive starting on GB29 Rodgers interception.

Frost NO23,GB41 (from 17),NO16,NO39. So he was only responsible for one of the NO starts in GB turf and that was after a 3 and out for the Pack offense.

The offense was killing in top in the first half. yet the defense gave up 24 points.Yes, those INTs were bad. Nobody is claiming otherwise. They came after the D had already given up 31 points.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

and he's off and running!

 

[sho nuff]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

How can anyone take your seriously?You have argued that the defense and running game have not dropped off that much from last season.You are now arguing for the defense in a game they gave up 24 points in the first half.Seriously...step away from the box scores and watch a few games man.

 

[Challenge Everything]

and he's off and running!

Hey Ookie,Tone it down and leave the personal attacks away from this board. Thanks.SN

 

[sho nuff]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

I think that it is a team game and to blame one player, ergo Rodgers, is being shortsighted. Which is why I have a problem with this thread and any other Favre v. Rodgers thread. That being said, that first pick was forced into coverage and may not have been if Rodgers didn't think he had to make a play to keep the team in the game. Up until that part in the game, GB had only forced one three and out. All the other NOLA possessions were TDs, iirc. I think Rodgers was feeling the heat of trying to keep up because the defense could not do it's part in stopping the NOLA offense.You admit that the 2nd half was about equal. So what changes in the 3rd quarter? NOLA scores on their first drive putting GB in a hole and now GB is playing behind in a shootout. Again, keep in mind that the GB defense has not stopped NOLA for anything all game.Also keep in mind that the 1st pick Rodgers throws is the pick Jennings slipped.

Rodgers or Favre the defense is getting more blame than it should. The offense had 9 plays up until 3 or 4 minutes in the third!!! The TEAM had done what it needed until the Offense sputtered out. The INT the Defense got in the 2nd half was huge and could have gotten the Packers back in the game but the Offense went three and out again.Why didn't Rodgers feel the pressure in the first half, why not in the fourth quarter where the finally put together a drive. Sounds like an excuse to me. As I've stated everyone knew it was going to be a shoot-out NO puts up points every game.

31 points after one drive in the 2nd half (before Rodgers ever turns the ball over) 51 total given up. Sorry...but those numbers speak for themselves...the D was awful Monday night.