How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)

[sho nuff]

and he's off and running!

Hey Ookie,Tone it down and leave the personal attacks away from this board. Thanks.SN

Both of you grow up.Refute what I say...or just shut it.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

and he's off and running!

Hey Ookie,Tone it down and leave the personal attacks away from this board. Thanks.SN

I was waiting for sho to post that. I figured I could get another 10+ replies from him on that!

 

[Ookie Pringle]

and he's off and running!

Hey Ookie,Tone it down and leave the personal attacks away from this board. Thanks.SN

Both of you grow up.Refute what I say...or just shut it.

I knew you'd bite!We refute..you ignore it and proceed to post and post and post and post...............................................................

 

[sho nuff]

and he's off and running!

Hey Ookie,Tone it down and leave the personal attacks away from this board. Thanks.SN

Both of you grow up.Refute what I say...or just shut it.

I knew you'd bite!We refute..you ignore it and proceed to post and post and post and post...............................................................

Yawn...no, you don't refute. You repeat the same garbage that has yet to prove your point.You post quotes in June that are supposed to mean something in March and April right? You snipe and whine and argue...yet think somehow Im the badguy all the time.Oh well, your schtick has me tired.Enjoy your evening.

 

[Stinger Ray]

and he's off and running!

Hey Ookie,Tone it down and leave the personal attacks away from this board. Thanks.SN

Both of you grow up.Refute what I say...or just shut it.

I knew you'd bite!We refute..you ignore it and proceed to post and post and post and post...............................................................

Yawn...no, you don't refute. You repeat the same garbage that has yet to prove your point.You post quotes in June that are supposed to mean something in March and April right? You snipe and whine and argue...yet think somehow Im the badguy all the time.Oh well, your schtick has me tired.Enjoy your evening.

 

[zDragon]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

How can anyone take your seriously?You have argued that the defense and running game have not dropped off that much from last season.You are now arguing for the defense in a game they gave up 24 points in the first half.Seriously...step away from the box scores and watch a few games man.

Why not take me seriously. The defense gave up points but most Defenses have against the saints. I've posted Facts when someone tried to blame the poor field position on Frost.I posted facts to show where the D kept them in other games.I've watched games so I know when someone says it's Frost that killed them field position wise I just have to get the data instead of take it as fact.Nice try though.

 

[zDragon]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

I think that it is a team game and to blame one player, ergo Rodgers, is being shortsighted. Which is why I have a problem with this thread and any other Favre v. Rodgers thread. That being said, that first pick was forced into coverage and may not have been if Rodgers didn't think he had to make a play to keep the team in the game. Up until that part in the game, GB had only forced one three and out. All the other NOLA possessions were TDs, iirc. I think Rodgers was feeling the heat of trying to keep up because the defense could not do it's part in stopping the NOLA offense.You admit that the 2nd half was about equal. So what changes in the 3rd quarter? NOLA scores on their first drive putting GB in a hole and now GB is playing behind in a shootout. Again, keep in mind that the GB defense has not stopped NOLA for anything all game.Also keep in mind that the 1st pick Rodgers throws is the pick Jennings slipped.

Rodgers or Favre the defense is getting more blame than it should. The offense had 9 plays up until 3 or 4 minutes in the third!!! The TEAM had done what it needed until the Offense sputtered out. The INT the Defense got in the 2nd half was huge and could have gotten the Packers back in the game but the Offense went three and out again.Why didn't Rodgers feel the pressure in the first half, why not in the fourth quarter where the finally put together a drive. Sounds like an excuse to me. As I've stated everyone knew it was going to be a shoot-out NO puts up points every game.

31 points after one drive in the 2nd half (before Rodgers ever turns the ball over) 51 total given up. Sorry...but those numbers speak for themselves...the D was awful Monday night.

Not really. Imagine I was just told to stay away from the data regarding field position, drive lengths, the offense giving NO the ball on the GB 3 and 29, etc. Then the score is blindly used. WOW.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

 

[sho nuff]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

How can anyone take your seriously?You have argued that the defense and running game have not dropped off that much from last season.You are now arguing for the defense in a game they gave up 24 points in the first half.Seriously...step away from the box scores and watch a few games man.

Why not take me seriously. The defense gave up points but most Defenses have against the saints. I've posted Facts when someone tried to blame the poor field position on Frost.I posted facts to show where the D kept them in other games.I've watched games so I know when someone says it's Frost that killed them field position wise I just have to get the data instead of take it as fact.Nice try though.

31 through 1 drive of the 2nd half is alot of points. You cannot just claim its Rodgers and the offense when the defense was not ever getting off the field. And that was with the offense churning out long time consuming drives (a point others tried to use in the past in saying how Rodgers was hurting the defense). In this case...the offense had done its job to that point and the D still gave up 31 to that point.As for not taking you seriously...read your posts about the defense and running game early in the season. Its all based on box scores. But if you had read any of the game day threads and threads after...the complaints were about the defense and running game. And not just from me...but nearly every fan of this team.Not all the poor field position is on Frost...some of it is as he has not been that great this year. He was brought in more for his directional punting...and he even struggled with that early in the year. He does not have the big leg that Ryan had...though, Ryan often punted too low and out punted the coverage and gave up returns.He is not the whole problem...but he is part of it.

 

[sho nuff]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

I think that it is a team game and to blame one player, ergo Rodgers, is being shortsighted. Which is why I have a problem with this thread and any other Favre v. Rodgers thread. That being said, that first pick was forced into coverage and may not have been if Rodgers didn't think he had to make a play to keep the team in the game. Up until that part in the game, GB had only forced one three and out. All the other NOLA possessions were TDs, iirc. I think Rodgers was feeling the heat of trying to keep up because the defense could not do it's part in stopping the NOLA offense.You admit that the 2nd half was about equal. So what changes in the 3rd quarter? NOLA scores on their first drive putting GB in a hole and now GB is playing behind in a shootout. Again, keep in mind that the GB defense has not stopped NOLA for anything all game.Also keep in mind that the 1st pick Rodgers throws is the pick Jennings slipped.

Rodgers or Favre the defense is getting more blame than it should. The offense had 9 plays up until 3 or 4 minutes in the third!!! The TEAM had done what it needed until the Offense sputtered out. The INT the Defense got in the 2nd half was huge and could have gotten the Packers back in the game but the Offense went three and out again.Why didn't Rodgers feel the pressure in the first half, why not in the fourth quarter where the finally put together a drive. Sounds like an excuse to me. As I've stated everyone knew it was going to be a shoot-out NO puts up points every game.

31 points after one drive in the 2nd half (before Rodgers ever turns the ball over) 51 total given up. Sorry...but those numbers speak for themselves...the D was awful Monday night.

Not really. Imagine I was just told to stay away from the data regarding field position, drive lengths, the offense giving NO the ball on the GB 3 and 29, etc. Then the score is blindly used. WOW.

Blindly...giving them the ball on the 3 and 29 occurred after they had already put up 31 points.You cannot keep defending this as not a defensive problem the other night.Rodgers play early in the 3rd compounded it...but the leaks were already there.

 

[sho nuff]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

If his contract does not go to full term he should be tarred and feathered? Why? He was not given near the amount of guaranteed money that other people were getting when you compare the top contracts.

And yes, Rodgers was under contract for next year...its called signing guys without letting them get to free agency...its called using up half of the cap left for this season.

FUnny that when he does the smart thing with the cap, people still complain. Rodgers deal was great for the team in how they worked it...bashing it is laughable.

 

[The Jacket]

sho nuff, please be more of a homer.

Thanks.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

He was not given near the amount of guaranteed money that other people were getting when you compare the top contracts.

Rodgers has $20 million in guaranteed money the same that David Garrad received. Tony Romo received $30 million in guarantees but Rodgers is making $11 million on average and Romo is at $9.6 million.Rodgers now has a five-year extension that gives him six more years for $65 million, including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract — they can be compared.

And Rodgers’ contract now makes him, remarkably, the fourth highest paid quarterback in the game, behind only Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger.

And to think he got that contract after only 7 starts.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/81031110/1058

 

[ScottyFargo]

Blindly...giving them the ball on the 3 and 29 occurred after they had already put up 31 points.You cannot keep defending this as not a defensive problem the other night.Rodgers play early in the 3rd compounded it...but the leaks were already there.

If Rodgers' had played solid and not committed those turnovers that everyone lambastes Favre for it is possible that the defense could have recovered with adjustments after the half. The game was not over at halftime. The points scored before the half were a lot, but it wasn't what killed that game.

 

[Interseptopus]

This thread is ridiculous. Are we going to bump it up every Sunday/Monday after the Packers play a game and discuss how bad or good of a decision it was based on that one game?

This is insane.

Rodgers is not the problem with the Packers.

Don't know why you all waste your time in here. It's as ridiculous as debating politics

 

[ScottyFargo]

This thread is ridiculous. Are we going to bump it up every Sunday/Monday after the Packers play a game and discuss how bad or good of a decision it was based on that one game? This is insane. Rodgers is not the problem with the Packers. Don't know why you all waste your time in here. It's as ridiculous as debating politics

Come on, somebody who's IQ is so far to the Right of the mean should have an easy time figuring out why we're wasting our time. What I can't figure out is why you'd waste your time trying to dissuade others...but if I had to guess I'd say you were new to the internet. This sort of thing goes on all the time. As you get more exposed to it, you will grow less sensitive.

 

[sho nuff]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

He was not given near the amount of guaranteed money that other people were getting when you compare the top contracts.

Rodgers has $20 million in guaranteed money the same that David Garrad received. Tony Romo received $30 million in guarantees but Rodgers is making $11 million on average and Romo is at $9.6 million.Rodgers now has a five-year extension that gives him six more years for $65 million, including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract — they can be compared.

And Rodgers’ contract now makes him, remarkably, the fourth highest paid quarterback in the game, behind only Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger.

And to think he got that contract after only 7 starts.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/81031110/1058

Exactly...as much in guarnateed money as David freakin Garrard. 10 mil less than Romo in guaranteed money (which anyone who pays attention knows is the biggest deal with all of these contracts and most of what players care about getting.

 

[sho nuff]

Blindly...giving them the ball on the 3 and 29 occurred after they had already put up 31 points.You cannot keep defending this as not a defensive problem the other night.Rodgers play early in the 3rd compounded it...but the leaks were already there.

If Rodgers' had played solid and not committed those turnovers that everyone lambastes Favre for it is possible that the defense could have recovered with adjustments after the half. The game was not over at halftime. The points scored before the half were a lot, but it wasn't what killed that game.

Sure its possible...but not very likely.And I lambasted Rodgers for making those mistakes too.The point is...a certain poster keeps bringing up 2 field position issues that were after the D had already given up 31 points.And yes...Id say 31 points by the 1st drive of the 2nd half were a big part of what killed that game. Never have I said it was all that killed it...but a huge reason. Anyone denying that is simply not being honest.

 

[ScottyFargo]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

He was not given near the amount of guaranteed money that other people were getting when you compare the top contracts.

Rodgers has $20 million in guaranteed money the same that David Garrad received. Tony Romo received $30 million in guarantees but Rodgers is making $11 million on average and Romo is at $9.6 million.Rodgers now has a five-year extension that gives him six more years for $65 million, including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract — they can be compared.

And Rodgers’ contract now makes him, remarkably, the fourth highest paid quarterback in the game, behind only Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger.

And to think he got that contract after only 7 starts.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/81031110/1058

Exactly...as much in guarnateed money as David freakin Garrard. 10 mil less than Romo in guaranteed money (which anyone who pays attention knows is the biggest deal with all of these contracts and most of what players care about getting.

David Garrard had a winning season and helmed a team that beat the Steelers in the playoffs last year...just sayin'.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

He was not given near the amount of guaranteed money that other people were getting when you compare the top contracts.

Rodgers has $20 million in guaranteed money the same that David Garrad received. Tony Romo received $30 million in guarantees but Rodgers is making $11 million on average and Romo is at $9.6 million.Rodgers now has a five-year extension that gives him six more years for $65 million, including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract — they can be compared.

And Rodgers’ contract now makes him, remarkably, the fourth highest paid quarterback in the game, behind only Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger.

And to think he got that contract after only 7 starts.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/81031110/1058

Exactly...as much in guarnateed money as David freakin Garrard. 10 mil less than Romo in guaranteed money (which anyone who pays attention knows is the biggest deal with all of these contracts and most of what players care about getting.

I guess you missed the part about Rodgers being the fourth highest paid QB in the NFL.

 

[Challenge Everything]

24.9%

 

[sho nuff]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

He was not given near the amount of guaranteed money that other people were getting when you compare the top contracts.

Rodgers has $20 million in guaranteed money the same that David Garrad received. Tony Romo received $30 million in guarantees but Rodgers is making $11 million on average and Romo is at $9.6 million.Rodgers now has a five-year extension that gives him six more years for $65 million, including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract — they can be compared.

And Rodgers’ contract now makes him, remarkably, the fourth highest paid quarterback in the game, behind only Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger.

And to think he got that contract after only 7 starts.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/81031110/1058

Exactly...as much in guarnateed money as David freakin Garrard. 10 mil less than Romo in guaranteed money (which anyone who pays attention knows is the biggest deal with all of these contracts and most of what players care about getting.

I guess you missed the part about Rodgers being the fourth highest paid QB in the NFL.

I guess you missed the part of me saying that total contracts are not great ways to look into these deals and writers and insiders have been saying that for years.

 

[sho nuff]

24.9%

0%...thats the amount of substance you are bringing to the table when bringing up post counts.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

He was not given near the amount of guaranteed money that other people were getting when you compare the top contracts.

Rodgers has $20 million in guaranteed money the same that David Garrad received. Tony Romo received $30 million in guarantees but Rodgers is making $11 million on average and Romo is at $9.6 million.Rodgers now has a five-year extension that gives him six more years for $65 million, including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract — they can be compared.

And Rodgers’ contract now makes him, remarkably, the fourth highest paid quarterback in the game, behind only Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger.

And to think he got that contract after only 7 starts.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/81031110/1058

Exactly...as much in guarnateed money as David freakin Garrard. 10 mil less than Romo in guaranteed money (which anyone who pays attention knows is the biggest deal with all of these contracts and most of what players care about getting.

I guess you missed the part about Rodgers being the fourth highest paid QB in the NFL.

I guess you missed the part of me saying that total contracts are not great ways to look into these deals and writers and insiders have been saying that for years.

Which is your attempt to spin and ignore the fact that Rodgers is the fourth highest paid QB in the NFL including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract.

 

[sho nuff]

The contract extension signed by Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers makes him one of highest-paid quarterbacks in the National Football League and will help set the market for other quarterbacks poised for extensions.

According to Charley Casserly of CBS-TV's "The NFL Today" on Sunday, the contract for Rodgers is second only to the one Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in terms of annual salary among those signed in the last year.

Smart move not franchising him, paying him top 3 money for the year and keeping Favre only to pay him top TWO money weeks into the season. Whaaaa?

Look at guaranteed money people.What a guy makes per year means little given how few of these contracts go to full term.

if rodgers contract doesnt go to full term then TT should be tarred and feathered.In doing some research on this, i didnt realize that Rodgers was still under contract for next year. Tar and feather TT anyway.

He was not given near the amount of guaranteed money that other people were getting when you compare the top contracts.

Rodgers has $20 million in guaranteed money the same that David Garrad received. Tony Romo received $30 million in guarantees but Rodgers is making $11 million on average and Romo is at $9.6 million.Rodgers now has a five-year extension that gives him six more years for $65 million, including $40.5 million in first three years of the contract — they can be compared.

And Rodgers’ contract now makes him, remarkably, the fourth highest paid quarterback in the game, behind only Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger.

And to think he got that contract after only 7 starts.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/articl...1/81031110/1058

Exactly...as much in guarnateed money as David freakin Garrard. 10 mil less than Romo in guaranteed money (which anyone who pays attention knows is the biggest deal with all of these contracts and most of what players care about getting.

I guess you missed the part about Rodgers being the fourth highest paid QB in the NFL.

I guess you missed the part of me saying that total contracts are not great ways to look into these deals and writers and insiders have been saying that for years.

Which is your attempt to spin and ignore the fact that Rodgers is the fourth highest paid QB in the NFL.

No...its reality of nfl contracts.Guaranteed oney is about all that matters because most will never see the full terms of their contracts. This is not something new with Rodgers or in my thinking. Or do you not understand nfl contracts at all?

I fully admit his full contract puts him at that right now. So what? Do you honestly think he really is going to remain even close to that on the list even by next season much less if he even play out the length of the deal?

 

[Challenge Everything]

24.9%

0%...thats the amount of substance you are bringing to the table when bringing up post counts.

You're a post padder.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Yes I understand NFL contracts. I also understand Rodgers is the 4th highest paid QB in the NFL and he will get $40.5 million in first three years of the contract.

 

[sho nuff]

Great...look how that first 3 compares with the other top QBs and what they got...then rank that list.

Pretty sure he won't be top 4 on that list.

And even some of his guaranteed money and upping the salary was done to use up some of this year's cap.

Not sure what else you need to know about that.

But just posting that he is top 4 in QBs based on total contract is not seeing the big picture. That is all I am saying.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Great...look how that first 3 compares with the other top QBs and what they got...then rank that list.Pretty sure he won't be top 4 on that list.And even some of his guaranteed money and upping the salary was done to use up some of this year's cap.Not sure what else you need to know about that.But just posting that he is top 4 in QBs based on total contract is not seeing the big picture. That is all I am saying.

That he is even in the discussion for QB's who have a top contract is crazy considering he was so unproven at the point he was given the contract.

 

[sho nuff]

Great...look how that first 3 compares with the other top QBs and what they got...then rank that list.Pretty sure he won't be top 4 on that list.And even some of his guaranteed money and upping the salary was done to use up some of this year's cap.Not sure what else you need to know about that.But just posting that he is top 4 in QBs based on total contract is not seeing the big picture. That is all I am saying.

That he is even in the discussion for QB's who have a top contract is crazy considering he was so unproven at the point he was given the contract.

Its part of being the latest to get a new deal IMO...and getting rid of a bit of this year's cap money while keeping the guy long term.The contract was a very good deal especially cap wise for GB.

 

[Badm]

Decision looks good

If you are a BEARS FAN>>>>AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[sho nuff]

Yeah...that game was his fault too right?

Id love to hear how he is supposed to tackle people on 3 kickoff returns to midfield.

 

[phthalatemagic]

If the Pack only have Favre to play DT today, he would have helped. Of course, he may have intentionally let D Williams score a few more touchdowns so he could have a record like he let Strahan have a sack. I guess you just don't know how it would have worked out

 

[FavreCo]

Whew!...I got outta there just in time. That D sucks!

 

[Interseptopus]

Okay the game is over. Let's all jump on here and watch Sho Nuff argue with some other tools criticizing this game. Afterall, you dorks have another game of stats to analyze and dool over as you try desperately to make your point heard. Ignore the fact that your efforts are worthless as neither side will cave. Ever. This will be a debate that we will never know the answer to, but people will still try to debate it.

Here we go...

Enter Sho Nuff: Their defense is the problem!

Then enter his opponents, also tools: Rodgers blew it at the end! Bad throw!

Both are obviously true points. The problem is people try to put the blame on one side of the ball or just one person. In the end this year's team is completely different than previous years' teams. You cannot compare them. Also, you cannot put the blame of a loss soley on one person. Rodgers blew it, it was an awful throw. McCarthy had awful play calls on their last FG. The defense truly blew it on coverage with 2 deep balls.

Go on though, ignore logic. Keep those blinders on. keep thinking there is only one answer to this question. Stay close minded. Keep beating a dead horse

 

[Stinger Ray]

Yeah...that game was his fault too right?Id love to hear how he is supposed to tackle people on 3 kickoff returns to midfield.

You really have serious issues.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Okay the game is over. Let's all jump on here and watch Sho Nuff argue with some other tools criticizing this game. Afterall, you dorks have another game of stats to analyze and dool over as you try desperately to make your point heard. Ignore the fact that your efforts are worthless as neither side will cave. Ever. This will be a debate that we will never know the answer to, but people will still try to debate it. Here we go...Enter Sho Nuff: Their defense is the problem! Then enter his opponents, also tools: Rodgers blew it at the end! Bad throw!Both are obviously true points. The problem is people try to put the blame on one side of the ball or just one person. In the end this year's team is completely different than previous years' teams. You cannot compare them. Also, you cannot put the blame of a loss soley on one person. Rodgers blew it, it was an awful throw. McCarthy had awful play calls on their last FG. The defense truly blew it on coverage with 2 deep balls. Go on though, ignore logic. Keep those blinders on. keep thinking there is only one answer to this question. Stay close minded. Keep beating a dead horse

Favre's 3 picks would have meant GB wouldn't have been in position to win the game near the end of the game anyway.

 

[Interseptopus]

Okay the game is over. Let's all jump on here and watch Sho Nuff argue with some other tools criticizing this game. Afterall, you dorks have another game of stats to analyze and dool over as you try desperately to make your point heard. Ignore the fact that your efforts are worthless as neither side will cave. Ever. This will be a debate that we will never know the answer to, but people will still try to debate it. Here we go...Enter Sho Nuff: Their defense is the problem! Then enter his opponents, also tools: Rodgers blew it at the end! Bad throw!Both are obviously true points. The problem is people try to put the blame on one side of the ball or just one person. In the end this year's team is completely different than previous years' teams. You cannot compare them. Also, you cannot put the blame of a loss soley on one person. Rodgers blew it, it was an awful throw. McCarthy had awful play calls on their last FG. The defense truly blew it on coverage with 2 deep balls. Go on though, ignore logic. Keep those blinders on. keep thinking there is only one answer to this question. Stay close minded. Keep beating a dead horse

Favre's 3 picks would have meant GB wouldn't have been in position to win the game near the end of the game anyway.

Exactly why this thread is completely ridiculous.Favre threw bone-headed picks and everyone said "well that's favre being favre" rodgers does it and it's criticized. It was a bad throw. I agree. But I think it's ridiculous to put the loss soley on him.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Okay the game is over. Let's all jump on here and watch Sho Nuff argue with some other tools criticizing this game. Afterall, you dorks have another game of stats to analyze and dool over as you try desperately to make your point heard. Ignore the fact that your efforts are worthless as neither side will cave. Ever. This will be a debate that we will never know the answer to, but people will still try to debate it. Here we go...Enter Sho Nuff: Their defense is the problem! Then enter his opponents, also tools: Rodgers blew it at the end! Bad throw!Both are obviously true points. The problem is people try to put the blame on one side of the ball or just one person. In the end this year's team is completely different than previous years' teams. You cannot compare them. Also, you cannot put the blame of a loss soley on one person. Rodgers blew it, it was an awful throw. McCarthy had awful play calls on their last FG. The defense truly blew it on coverage with 2 deep balls. Go on though, ignore logic. Keep those blinders on. keep thinking there is only one answer to this question. Stay close minded. Keep beating a dead horse

Favre's 3 picks would have meant GB wouldn't have been in position to win the game near the end of the game anyway.

You enjoy fishing in here don't you?

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Rodgers play throughout the game was as good as, if not better than Favre could have played and was the sole reason the Packers were in the game. Favre was going to move on at some point. If the Packers hadn't adequately replaced him, this game might have been a 30-point blowout.

The Packers pulled off the rare feat of replacing a legend, with an equally promising young QB. Rodgers is blowing Favre's numbers away at the same point in their respective careers. If the Packers shore up their defensive and offensive lines in the offseason, the division will once again be looking up at the Packers and resume whining about how Green Bay has the only legitimate QB.

This thread is dumb.

 

[zDragon]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

How can anyone take your seriously?You have argued that the defense and running game have not dropped off that much from last season.You are now arguing for the defense in a game they gave up 24 points in the first half.Seriously...step away from the box scores and watch a few games man.

Why not take me seriously. The defense gave up points but most Defenses have against the saints. I've posted Facts when someone tried to blame the poor field position on Frost.I posted facts to show where the D kept them in other games.I've watched games so I know when someone says it's Frost that killed them field position wise I just have to get the data instead of take it as fact.Nice try though.

31 through 1 drive of the 2nd half is alot of points. You cannot just claim its Rodgers and the offense when the defense was not ever getting off the field. And that was with the offense churning out long time consuming drives (a point others tried to use in the past in saying how Rodgers was hurting the defense). In this case...the offense had done its job to that point and the D still gave up 31 to that point.As for not taking you seriously...read your posts about the defense and running game early in the season. Its all based on box scores. But if you had read any of the game day threads and threads after...the complaints were about the defense and running game. And not just from me...but nearly every fan of this team.Not all the poor field position is on Frost...some of it is as he has not been that great this year. He was brought in more for his directional punting...and he even struggled with that early in the year. He does not have the big leg that Ryan had...though, Ryan often punted too low and out punted the coverage and gave up returns.He is not the whole problem...but he is part of it.

Watched first quarter today before I had to leave. Saw another third quarter like with the Saints. Offense struggling and defense kept them in the game. THink the punt average was 42+ which is close to league average if I recall right. Offense a lot of three and outs before clicking in the last minutes of the quarter.

 

[zDragon]

Blindly...giving them the ball on the 3 and 29 occurred after they had already put up 31 points.You cannot keep defending this as not a defensive problem the other night.Rodgers play early in the 3rd compounded it...but the leaks were already there.

If Rodgers' had played solid and not committed those turnovers that everyone lambastes Favre for it is possible that the defense could have recovered with adjustments after the half. The game was not over at halftime. The points scored before the half were a lot, but it wasn't what killed that game.

Sure its possible...but not very likely.And I lambasted Rodgers for making those mistakes too.The point is...a certain poster keeps bringing up 2 field position issues that were after the D had already given up 31 points.And yes...Id say 31 points by the 1st drive of the 2nd half were a big part of what killed that game. Never have I said it was all that killed it...but a huge reason. Anyone denying that is simply not being honest.

The point was the Defense is not as bad (as compared to last year) as some would make them out to be.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

How can anyone take your seriously?You have argued that the defense and running game have not dropped off that much from last season.You are now arguing for the defense in a game they gave up 24 points in the first half.Seriously...step away from the box scores and watch a few games man.

Why not take me seriously. The defense gave up points but most Defenses have against the saints. I've posted Facts when someone tried to blame the poor field position on Frost.I posted facts to show where the D kept them in other games.I've watched games so I know when someone says it's Frost that killed them field position wise I just have to get the data instead of take it as fact.Nice try though.

31 through 1 drive of the 2nd half is alot of points. You cannot just claim its Rodgers and the offense when the defense was not ever getting off the field. And that was with the offense churning out long time consuming drives (a point others tried to use in the past in saying how Rodgers was hurting the defense). In this case...the offense had done its job to that point and the D still gave up 31 to that point.As for not taking you seriously...read your posts about the defense and running game early in the season. Its all based on box scores. But if you had read any of the game day threads and threads after...the complaints were about the defense and running game. And not just from me...but nearly every fan of this team.Not all the poor field position is on Frost...some of it is as he has not been that great this year. He was brought in more for his directional punting...and he even struggled with that early in the year. He does not have the big leg that Ryan had...though, Ryan often punted too low and out punted the coverage and gave up returns.He is not the whole problem...but he is part of it.

Watched first quarter today before I had to leave. Saw another third quarter like with the Saints. Offense struggling and defense kept them in the game. THink the punt average was 42+ which is close to league average if I recall right. Offense a lot of three and outs before clicking in the last minutes of the quarter.

There were a few three and outs, but they had a 18-11 minute lead in time of possession at the half. Nonetheless, I expect anyone who could blame last week's loss on the offense could probably find a way to delude themselves again this week.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

How can anyone take your seriously?You have argued that the defense and running game have not dropped off that much from last season.You are now arguing for the defense in a game they gave up 24 points in the first half.Seriously...step away from the box scores and watch a few games man.

Why not take me seriously. The defense gave up points but most Defenses have against the saints. I've posted Facts when someone tried to blame the poor field position on Frost.I posted facts to show where the D kept them in other games.I've watched games so I know when someone says it's Frost that killed them field position wise I just have to get the data instead of take it as fact.Nice try though.

31 through 1 drive of the 2nd half is alot of points. You cannot just claim its Rodgers and the offense when the defense was not ever getting off the field. And that was with the offense churning out long time consuming drives (a point others tried to use in the past in saying how Rodgers was hurting the defense). In this case...the offense had done its job to that point and the D still gave up 31 to that point.As for not taking you seriously...read your posts about the defense and running game early in the season. Its all based on box scores. But if you had read any of the game day threads and threads after...the complaints were about the defense and running game. And not just from me...but nearly every fan of this team.Not all the poor field position is on Frost...some of it is as he has not been that great this year. He was brought in more for his directional punting...and he even struggled with that early in the year. He does not have the big leg that Ryan had...though, Ryan often punted too low and out punted the coverage and gave up returns.He is not the whole problem...but he is part of it.

Watched first quarter today before I had to leave. Saw another third quarter like with the Saints. Offense struggling and defense kept them in the game. THink the punt average was 42+ which is close to league average if I recall right. Offense a lot of three and outs before clicking in the last minutes of the quarter.

There were a few three and outs, but they had a 18-11 minute lead in time of possession at the half. Nonetheless, I expect anyone who could blame last week's loss on the offense could probably find a way to delude themselves again this week.

Rodgers play well. McCarthy is too conservative. Rodgers needs to find a way to bring the team back at the end of these games. He is 0-4 so far. Once he does then he appears to be the real deal.

 

[flapgreen]

Eat it Pack

 

[ScottyFargo]

Okay the game is over. Let's all jump on here and watch Sho Nuff argue with some other tools criticizing this game. Afterall, you dorks have another game of stats to analyze and dool over as you try desperately to make your point heard. Ignore the fact that your efforts are worthless as neither side will cave. Ever. This will be a debate that we will never know the answer to, but people will still try to debate it. Here we go...Enter Sho Nuff: Their defense is the problem! Then enter his opponents, also tools: Rodgers blew it at the end! Bad throw!Both are obviously true points. The problem is people try to put the blame on one side of the ball or just one person. In the end this year's team is completely different than previous years' teams. You cannot compare them. Also, you cannot put the blame of a loss soley on one person. Rodgers blew it, it was an awful throw. McCarthy had awful play calls on their last FG. The defense truly blew it on coverage with 2 deep balls. Go on though, ignore logic. Keep those blinders on. keep thinking there is only one answer to this question. Stay close minded. Keep beating a dead horse

You are so wise. Are you enjoying the thread or does it get on your nerves that it exists and that your opinion on it is just as ineffective as the argument for/against the decision to go with Rodgers a year too early? I am guessing it bugs you.

 

[zDragon]

Bottom line, it was GB's defense that put GB in the hole on the road, not Rodgers.

Really. All is pretty much equal going into second half. What really goes wrong in the second half. Let's take a look.NO drives and scores. GB (2 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 3yd line. (Defense at fault?)NO Gets 3 yds and scores.GB (3 plays) throws a pick and gives NO the ball on the 29yd line (Defense at fault?)NO Green bay defense gets pick on (2nd play) to get GB back in the game.GB (3 plays) and a punt later NO has the ball again. (Defense at fault?)11 minutes into the quarter and the GB offense manages to get off 8 plays. You don't think after all things being fairly equal in the first half it wasn't the Offense that let the defense down?

How can anyone take your seriously?You have argued that the defense and running game have not dropped off that much from last season.You are now arguing for the defense in a game they gave up 24 points in the first half.Seriously...step away from the box scores and watch a few games man.

Why not take me seriously. The defense gave up points but most Defenses have against the saints. I've posted Facts when someone tried to blame the poor field position on Frost.I posted facts to show where the D kept them in other games.I've watched games so I know when someone says it's Frost that killed them field position wise I just have to get the data instead of take it as fact.Nice try though.

31 through 1 drive of the 2nd half is alot of points. You cannot just claim its Rodgers and the offense when the defense was not ever getting off the field. And that was with the offense churning out long time consuming drives (a point others tried to use in the past in saying how Rodgers was hurting the defense). In this case...the offense had done its job to that point and the D still gave up 31 to that point.As for not taking you seriously...read your posts about the defense and running game early in the season. Its all based on box scores. But if you had read any of the game day threads and threads after...the complaints were about the defense and running game. And not just from me...but nearly every fan of this team.Not all the poor field position is on Frost...some of it is as he has not been that great this year. He was brought in more for his directional punting...and he even struggled with that early in the year. He does not have the big leg that Ryan had...though, Ryan often punted too low and out punted the coverage and gave up returns.He is not the whole problem...but he is part of it.

Watched first quarter today before I had to leave. Saw another third quarter like with the Saints. Offense struggling and defense kept them in the game. THink the punt average was 42+ which is close to league average if I recall right. Offense a lot of three and outs before clicking in the last minutes of the quarter.

There were a few three and outs, but they had a 18-11 minute lead in time of possession at the half. Nonetheless, I expect anyone whito could blame last week's loss on the offense could probably find a way to delude themselves again this week.

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year. The funny thing is many say it was expected but will not except it. This is getting really boring and useless since some are giving the free pass. Oh bad field position was frosts fault. Post facts showing it wasn't and then people complain your using facts.

 

[Pskov1420]

Is Rodgers a good QB? Clearly he is. Is he as good as Favre would have been for GB this season? Maybe so, maybe not we'll never know. But either way it is clear that the Pack defense is nowhere near as good this year as it was last, and that is why they are losing games.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

 

[sho nuff]

Okay the game is over. Let's all jump on here and watch Sho Nuff argue with some other tools criticizing this game. Afterall, you dorks have another game of stats to analyze and dool over as you try desperately to make your point heard. Ignore the fact that your efforts are worthless as neither side will cave. Ever. This will be a debate that we will never know the answer to, but people will still try to debate it. Here we go...Enter Sho Nuff: Their defense is the problem! Then enter his opponents, also tools: Rodgers blew it at the end! Bad throw!Both are obviously true points. The problem is people try to put the blame on one side of the ball or just one person. In the end this year's team is completely different than previous years' teams. You cannot compare them. Also, you cannot put the blame of a loss soley on one person. Rodgers blew it, it was an awful throw. McCarthy had awful play calls on their last FG. The defense truly blew it on coverage with 2 deep balls. Go on though, ignore logic. Keep those blinders on. keep thinking there is only one answer to this question. Stay close minded. Keep beating a dead horse

Im one of the few not trying to blame just one thing.Rodgers is a part of it...I have never denied that.