How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)

[sho nuff]

Yeah...that game was his fault too right?Id love to hear how he is supposed to tackle people on 3 kickoff returns to midfield.

You really have serious issues.

You whine if I post it in the game thread...now you whine when I post it in this one?

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers play throughout the game was as good as, if not better than Favre could have played and was the sole reason the Packers were in the game. Favre was going to move on at some point. If the Packers hadn't adequately replaced him, this game might have been a 30-point blowout.The Packers pulled off the rare feat of replacing a legend, with an equally promising young QB. Rodgers is blowing Favre's numbers away at the same point in their respective careers. If the Packers shore up their defensive and offensive lines in the offseason, the division will once again be looking up at the Packers and resume whining about how Green Bay has the only legitimate QB.This thread is dumb.

I would not say the sole reason. The D did step up in the 3rd quarter to give the offense a chance after the offense was not good in the first half.In the end, special teams and big plays late against the D killed what was some nice work by Rodgers til the last throw.

 

[sho nuff]

Blindly...giving them the ball on the 3 and 29 occurred after they had already put up 31 points.You cannot keep defending this as not a defensive problem the other night.Rodgers play early in the 3rd compounded it...but the leaks were already there.

If Rodgers' had played solid and not committed those turnovers that everyone lambastes Favre for it is possible that the defense could have recovered with adjustments after the half. The game was not over at halftime. The points scored before the half were a lot, but it wasn't what killed that game.

Sure its possible...but not very likely.And I lambasted Rodgers for making those mistakes too.The point is...a certain poster keeps bringing up 2 field position issues that were after the D had already given up 31 points.And yes...Id say 31 points by the 1st drive of the 2nd half were a big part of what killed that game. Never have I said it was all that killed it...but a huge reason. Anyone denying that is simply not being honest.

The point was the Defense is not as bad (as compared to last year) as some would make them out to be.

That point is false when you really look at things and watch how both teams have played.

 

[parasaurolophus]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

 

[Underachievers]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

 

[sho nuff]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year. The funny thing is many say it was expected but will not except it. This is getting really boring and useless since some are giving the free pass. Oh bad field position was frosts fault. Post facts showing it wasn't and then people complain your using facts.

Nobody is giving him a free pass.And no, the biggest dropoff is not at QB.A dropoff there was expected...but the dropoff that has hurt more has been the defense and that was not expected.Nobody is giving him the free pass...but you continue to try and give the D a free pass.

 

[sho nuff]

Is Rodgers a good QB? Clearly he is. Is he as good as Favre would have been for GB this season? Maybe so, maybe not we'll never know. But either way it is clear that the Pack defense is nowhere near as good this year as it was last, and that is why they are losing games.

Shhh...some here think only I think this way.Better be careful.

 

[sho nuff]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

 

[sho nuff]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

I can't argue the comment that the biggest drop in play has been at the QB position? This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Underachievers]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

I know people like Favre, but I find it hard to believe people can't see how terrible the defense is compared to last year. Rodgers has played every bit as good as Favre has.

 

[Young 8]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

I can't argue the comment that the biggest drop in play has been at the QB position? This is getting ridiculous.

no Ryan Grant is the biggest drop

 

[Stinger Ray]

Is Rodgers a good QB? Clearly he is. Is he as good as Favre would have been for GB this season? Maybe so, maybe not we'll never know. But either way it is clear that the Pack defense is nowhere near as good this year as it was last, and that is why they are losing games.

Shhh...some here think only I think this way.Better be careful.

Shhh...most people here are thankful they don't think like you.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

There is no dropoff at QB. There was an improvement.

 

[parasaurolophus]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

 

[Stinger Ray]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

 

[mozzy84]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

 

[Stinger Ray]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

There is no dropoff at QB. There was an improvement.

Fishing again....

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Rodgers is on pace for...

3,621 yards

25 TDs passing

5 TDs rushing

12 INTs

That's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.

I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

 

[FavreCo]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

There is no dropoff at QB. There was an improvement.

You might want to take a gander at the...scoreboard.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

There is no dropoff at QB. There was an improvement.

Fishing again....

No. I was correcting a false statement. Roll your eyes all you like though. FO has Rodgers at 12th and Favre in 15th in DVOA. Rodgers has thrown 17/9 while Favre is at 20/13. Rodgers is playing better than Favre. This is undeniable.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

There is no dropoff at QB. There was an improvement.

You might want to take a gander at the...scoreboard.

I can't find the New York Favres anywhere in the standings.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

I haven't even mentioned the fact that Favre once again looks below average and miserable in crummy weather. And the dropoff of his play in bad weather was one of the primary concerns of Packers brass coming into this season.

The Packers defense can't get stops and their coverage units gave up over 200 return yards today. Earlier this year they couldn't run the ball for more than 2 yards if you gave them a 5 yard head start.

People seem to forget that the Packers were led to a magical 8-8 record by the Great Favre just 2 short seasons ago with a better defense.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

There is no dropoff at QB. There was an improvement.

Fishing again....

Rodgers is playing better than Favre. This is undeniable.

If you are insane.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I haven't even mentioned the fact that Favre once again looks below average and miserable in crummy weather. And the dropoff of his play in bad weather was one of the primary concerns of Packers brass coming into this season.

The Packers defense can't get stops and their coverage units gave up over 200 return yards today. Earlier this year they couldn't run the ball for more than 2 yards if you gave them a 5 yard head start.

People seem to forget that the Packers were led to a magical 8-8 record by the Great Favre just 2 short seasons ago with a better defense.

those were the good ole days

 

[sho nuff]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

Im not arguing that there was a dropoff at QB. I said I expected as much.To say its the biggest dropoff is just crazy given how the QB position has actually played and how the rest of the team has played.We are not talking a dropoff in stature...but in productivity.

 

[sho nuff]

Is Rodgers a good QB? Clearly he is. Is he as good as Favre would have been for GB this season? Maybe so, maybe not we'll never know. But either way it is clear that the Pack defense is nowhere near as good this year as it was last, and that is why they are losing games.

Shhh...some here think only I think this way.Better be careful.

Shhh...most people here are thankful they don't think like you.

Most?Hah...I think you better get a recount on how people see this trade and this Packer team. You will find I am in the majority.

 

[Underachievers]

Rodgers is on pace for...3,621 yards25 TDs passing5 TDs rushing 12 INTsThat's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

You will not find a post from me anywhere here saying that Rodgers is the reason the Packers are where they are. But I also will not sit here and say that the Packers would not be better off with Brett at QB this season. Brett would in all likelihood have put up numbers as good as Rodgers (probably a few more INT's but also a few more TD's). Throw in his experience at the position and his leadership to the entire team....and at least for this season...Brett would have been the better choice.

 

[sho nuff]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

Players play the game. Some of that play has dropped off. Not all of that is on the GM now is it?

 

[sho nuff]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

There is no dropoff at QB. There was an improvement.

You might want to take a gander at the...scoreboard.

While I don't agree with what he said...the scoreboard?I was unaware that the game is only won and lost by the QB.

 

[parasaurolophus]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

Players play the game. Some of that play has dropped off. Not all of that is on the GM now is it?

what exactly does a GM do then if not judge the talent of the team and draft/sign players to fill in?

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers is on pace for...3,621 yards25 TDs passing5 TDs rushing 12 INTsThat's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

You will not find a post from me anywhere here saying that Rodgers is the reason the Packers are where they are. But I also will not sit here and say that the Packers would not be better off with Brett at QB this season. Brett would in all likelihood have put up numbers as good as Rodgers (probably a few more INT's but also a few more TD's). Throw in his experience at the position and his leadership to the entire team....and at least for this season...Brett would have been the better choice.

For this season...sure. I agree...right now Brett would have been better for this year.That said, this year, this team is still not a contender...even with Brett. They just are not.So what good is one more year of #4 if you are not really a contender to win it all?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Rodgers is on pace for...

3,621 yards

25 TDs passing

5 TDs rushing

12 INTs

That's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.

I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

You will not find a post from me anywhere here saying that Rodgers is the reason the Packers are where they are. But I also will not sit here and say that the Packers would not be better off with Brett at QB this season. Brett would in all likelihood have put up numbers as good as Rodgers (probably a few more INT's but also a few more TD's). Throw in his experience at the position and his leadership to the entire team....and at least for this season...Brett would have been the better choice.

For this season...sure. I agree...right now Brett would have been better for this year.That said, this year, this team is still not a contender...even with Brett. They just are not.

So what good is one more year of #4 if you are not really a contender to win it all?

tell that to the giants.

 

[Phase of the Game]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

Players play the game. Some of that play has dropped off. Not all of that is on the GM now is it?

Tell us how much you want to blame TT. He is responsible for this team and it seems the depth isn't there. Also, maybe just maybe he jumped the gun on that contract with Grant. Also, what is the overall record for the Packers while TT has been there? Of course it is only a punter but how did that Jon Ryan cut work out? How did that Justin Harrell pick work out?(I figure this should generate another 15+ posts from sho)

 

[sho nuff]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

Players play the game. Some of that play has dropped off. Not all of that is on the GM now is it?

what exactly does a GM do then if not judge the talent of the team and draft/sign players to fill in?

So AJ Hawk and Nick Barnett are now less talented than they were last year?Or just playing worse?How about Ryan Pickett?Is TT supposed to foresee Jenkins and Barnett would suffer major injuries?That Clifton's play would dropoff this far?The Grant hamstring injury or his inability to do the things he did so well last year again this year (like see the cuts better and make that last guy miss?).Yes...some of it is on him...much of it is on the players not playing the way they did even just last year. Young players that should have built upon a solid season last year and improved but seem to have regressed. Guys like Colledge and Spitz and Wells. Grant, Hawk, Pickett and so on.There are plenty of things on him. Oline is the biggest one. He has not shown the ability to build the Oline. Its been his weakest point. He has done well building up a good 2ndary and great WRs...but Oline he sucks.But to just put everything on the GM when some of the players that should not have regressed but did is crazy. Especially those that have so little to do with Brett Favre.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers is on pace for...

3,621 yards

25 TDs passing

5 TDs rushing

12 INTs

That's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.

I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

You will not find a post from me anywhere here saying that Rodgers is the reason the Packers are where they are. But I also will not sit here and say that the Packers would not be better off with Brett at QB this season. Brett would in all likelihood have put up numbers as good as Rodgers (probably a few more INT's but also a few more TD's). Throw in his experience at the position and his leadership to the entire team....and at least for this season...Brett would have been the better choice.

For this season...sure. I agree...right now Brett would have been better for this year.That said, this year, this team is still not a contender...even with Brett. They just are not.

So what good is one more year of #4 if you are not really a contender to win it all?

tell that to the giants.

Ok, I will tell that to the defending SB Champs who are a far better team than the GB Packers and were better than the Packers even with Favre.

 

[Phase of the Game]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

Players play the game. Some of that play has dropped off. Not all of that is on the GM now is it?

what exactly does a GM do then if not judge the talent of the team and draft/sign players to fill in?

So AJ Hawk and Nick Barnett are now less talented than they were last year?Or just playing worse?How about Ryan Pickett?Is TT supposed to foresee Jenkins and Barnett would suffer major injuries?That Clifton's play would dropoff this far?The Grant hamstring injury or his inability to do the things he did so well last year again this year (like see the cuts better and make that last guy miss?).Yes...some of it is on him...much of it is on the players not playing the way they did even just last year. Young players that should have built upon a solid season last year and improved but seem to have regressed. Guys like Colledge and Spitz and Wells. Grant, Hawk, Pickett and so on.There are plenty of things on him. Oline is the biggest one. He has not shown the ability to build the Oline. Its been his weakest point. He has done well building up a good 2ndary and great WRs...but Oline he sucks.But to just put everything on the GM when some of the players that should not have regressed but did is crazy. Especially those that have so little to do with Brett Favre.

I'm convinced you must be a love-child from Thompson.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Go ahead and give Rodgers the free pass. The biggest drop was at the QB position this year.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.

Why is that? Go from a HOF QB playing at a high level...to a QB with zero starts in the NFL. Rodgers had played well...but you cannot argue with the comment.

Look at the D compared to last year...then try again to claim that QB is the biggest drop this year.It just makes no sense.

The defense sucks...but you cannot argue with the dropoff at QB soley for the reason I stated. You cannot get a bigger dropoff than that (unless of course Rodgers was a true rookie).

There is no dropoff at QB. There was an improvement.

Fishing again....

Rodgers is playing better than Favre. This is undeniable.

If you are insane.

No hard feelings buddy

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I think sho could make millions for making up excuses for those in need.

 

[sho nuff]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

Players play the game. Some of that play has dropped off. Not all of that is on the GM now is it?

Tell us how much you want to blame TT. He is responsible for this team and it seems the depth isn't there. Also, maybe just maybe he jumped the gun on that contract with Grant. Also, what is the overall record for the Packers while TT has been there? Of course it is only a punter but how did that Jon Ryan cut work out? How did that Justin Harrell pick work out?(I figure this should generate another 15+ posts from sho)

I think he waited too long on the contract with Grant actually. And Grant's contract is hardly huge. Its very incentive based and until today he was one of the hotter RBs out there the past few weeks.Just looking at overall record? I guess you should not take into consideration what he started with and the troubles the team was in when he took over right?The Ryan/Frost thing...Ryan...net average 37.9Frost 36.1About 2 yards difference in net average.In hindsight...terrible move.When it happened...I questioned it then as well.It was clear the coaches were not happy with Ryan's net average and his inability in the past to pin teams deep.That was Frost's strength coming in. He was better at the shorter punts and putting teams in bad field position rather than blasting it into the endzone for a TB. This year, Frost has been worse at even the directional punting and just does not have as big of a leg.The Harrell pick...not so good. He has not stayed healthy to really produce. Been ok since he came back but nothing special.Shocking...not every draft pick works out does it.

 

[Challenge Everything]

>25%

 

[The Moz]

Favre = a leader

Rodgers = no so much

 

[parasaurolophus]

Rodgers is on pace for...

3,621 yards

25 TDs passing

5 TDs rushing

12 INTs

That's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.

I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

You will not find a post from me anywhere here saying that Rodgers is the reason the Packers are where they are. But I also will not sit here and say that the Packers would not be better off with Brett at QB this season. Brett would in all likelihood have put up numbers as good as Rodgers (probably a few more INT's but also a few more TD's). Throw in his experience at the position and his leadership to the entire team....and at least for this season...Brett would have been the better choice.

For this season...sure. I agree...right now Brett would have been better for this year.That said, this year, this team is still not a contender...even with Brett. They just are not.

So what good is one more year of #4 if you are not really a contender to win it all?

tell that to the giants.

Ok, I will tell that to the defending SB Champs who are a far better team than the GB Packers and were better than the Packers even with Favre.

the same ones who werent considered contenders to win the SB? Isnt it amazing what can happen when you make the playoffs?

 

[sho nuff]

can we all at least agree that TT has no idea what he is doing?

No...why would we all agree that?I think many would argue that he knows darn well what he is doing and far more about running a team than any of us.

i have seen you blame at some point every almost every single aspect of the packers team for their poor play this year, yet he knows what he is doing?

Players play the game. Some of that play has dropped off. Not all of that is on the GM now is it?

what exactly does a GM do then if not judge the talent of the team and draft/sign players to fill in?

So AJ Hawk and Nick Barnett are now less talented than they were last year?Or just playing worse?How about Ryan Pickett?Is TT supposed to foresee Jenkins and Barnett would suffer major injuries?That Clifton's play would dropoff this far?The Grant hamstring injury or his inability to do the things he did so well last year again this year (like see the cuts better and make that last guy miss?).Yes...some of it is on him...much of it is on the players not playing the way they did even just last year. Young players that should have built upon a solid season last year and improved but seem to have regressed. Guys like Colledge and Spitz and Wells. Grant, Hawk, Pickett and so on.There are plenty of things on him. Oline is the biggest one. He has not shown the ability to build the Oline. Its been his weakest point. He has done well building up a good 2ndary and great WRs...but Oline he sucks.But to just put everything on the GM when some of the players that should not have regressed but did is crazy. Especially those that have so little to do with Brett Favre.

I'm convinced you must be a love-child from Thompson.

Shocking...another sniping personal comment rather than even trying to refute what was said.Are you just unable to try having a debate or discussion without doing such things?Does it bother you that much when people post such information, facts and opinions that you just cannot seem to do so?

 

[sho nuff]

I think sho could make millions for making up excuses for those in need.

And another who refuses to talk about the subject and instead make little quips at me.Shocking.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

This assumption that Favre would have played great for the Packers this year given their circumstances is moronic. How quickly do people forget those turnover plagued years Favre put up when the rest of the team had a down year. I'd venture to guess that with this defense and running game Favre would be on pace for one of his patented 4000 yard 20 interception seasons. The same people proclaiming that with him the Packers would be much better this year are the same people that bashed Favre for being a turnover machine.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers is on pace for...

3,621 yards

25 TDs passing

5 TDs rushing

12 INTs

That's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.

I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

You will not find a post from me anywhere here saying that Rodgers is the reason the Packers are where they are. But I also will not sit here and say that the Packers would not be better off with Brett at QB this season. Brett would in all likelihood have put up numbers as good as Rodgers (probably a few more INT's but also a few more TD's). Throw in his experience at the position and his leadership to the entire team....and at least for this season...Brett would have been the better choice.

For this season...sure. I agree...right now Brett would have been better for this year.That said, this year, this team is still not a contender...even with Brett. They just are not.

So what good is one more year of #4 if you are not really a contender to win it all?

tell that to the giants.

Ok, I will tell that to the defending SB Champs who are a far better team than the GB Packers and were better than the Packers even with Favre.

the same ones who werent considered contenders to win the SB? Isnt it amazing what can happen when you make the playoffs?

Here is a tip...the 2007 NY Giants did not have Favre and won it all.The 2007 NY Giants had a QB who everyone thought was not a leader and sucked.

The 2007 NY Giants were better than even the 2007 GB Packers with Brett Favre...and they are surely better than the 2008 GB Packers.

Your point is pretty darn foolish and makes no sense.

 

[Underachievers]

Rodgers is on pace for...3,621 yards25 TDs passing5 TDs rushing 12 INTsThat's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

You will not find a post from me anywhere here saying that Rodgers is the reason the Packers are where they are. But I also will not sit here and say that the Packers would not be better off with Brett at QB this season. Brett would in all likelihood have put up numbers as good as Rodgers (probably a few more INT's but also a few more TD's). Throw in his experience at the position and his leadership to the entire team....and at least for this season...Brett would have been the better choice.

For this season...sure. I agree...right now Brett would have been better for this year.That said, this year, this team is still not a contender...even with Brett. They just are not.So what good is one more year of #4 if you are not really a contender to win it all?

You are correct! While Brett MAY have been able to sneak out a a couple more wins this season.... as it turns out the Packers would still not have been true contenders even if they did manage to win the weak NFC North. . IMO the Packers have not truly had a SB contending team since their loss to Denver in the SB. But...at least IMO...the Packers had virtually ZERO chance of even making the playoffs with the change at QB. We can all agree that you have ZERO chance of making it to the SB if you cannot even make the playoffs. I for one was willing to give Brett another season at QB rather than go with an unkown commodity at that position.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers is on pace for...3,621 yards25 TDs passing5 TDs rushing 12 INTsThat's 30 total TDs against 12 INTs and a passer rating over 90. There's hardly any dropoff, if any at all.I can think of at least 10 bigger reasons for the Packers woes. Again this thread is stupid. People trying to pin this on a 1st year starter who is putting up very impressive first year numbers are going after the easy and incorrect target...something that should be below this forum. This is the kind of debate that should be limited to drunks in corner tavern. And that's exactly what I'm reminded of listening to these blowhards pinning everything on Rodgers.

You will not find a post from me anywhere here saying that Rodgers is the reason the Packers are where they are. But I also will not sit here and say that the Packers would not be better off with Brett at QB this season. Brett would in all likelihood have put up numbers as good as Rodgers (probably a few more INT's but also a few more TD's). Throw in his experience at the position and his leadership to the entire team....and at least for this season...Brett would have been the better choice.

For this season...sure. I agree...right now Brett would have been better for this year.That said, this year, this team is still not a contender...even with Brett. They just are not.So what good is one more year of #4 if you are not really a contender to win it all?

You are correct! While Brett MAY have been able to sneak out a a couple more wins this season.... as it turns out the Packers would still not have been true contenders even if they did manage to win the weak NFC North. . IMO the Packers have not truly had a SB contending team since their loss to Denver in the SB. But...at least IMO...the Packers had virtually ZERO chance of even making the playoffs with the change at QB. We can all agree that you have ZERO chance of making it to the SB if you cannot even make the playoffs. I for one was willing to give Brett another season at QB rather than go with an unkown commodity at that position.

With all that went on...SB was the only reason to bring #4 back. Short of a SB win, it would just be one more year with #4 for nostalgia sake and a waste of another year not knowing what Rodgers could do.If GB somehow improves and wins it all next year...will people remember this thread and admit it was the right move?