HS girls stage a walkout as trans teen uses girls bathroom (1 Viewer)

[Ditka Butkus]

I've seen a few have said transgender is a mental illness. If this is the case why would a school system promote and encourage this illness?

This is a touchy subject. People hate when you call transgender a mental illness. Which is very weird to me. What's the big deal? It's OBVIOUSLY a mental illness. Why not recognize it as such so that these people can get the help they need? Instead of trying to force all of society to change rules to accommodate people that are suffering from mental issues.

Because illness implies there's something wrong with it.

If I am chemically imbalanced, there's something wrong with me. I could do harm to myself or to others. If I am a psychopath, or a paranoid personality, who knows the crap I might do? I shouldn't be allowed to own guns, that's for sure.

But a transgender is no more "dangerous" to himself or herself, or to society, than a non-transgender.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder

Well, there's probably a good reason he's no longer there.

But seriously, I am no doctor. I am uncomfortable with the terms "illness" or "disorder" because both imply that the behavior is wrong, voluntary, and can be "cured". I don't believe that such ideas apply to transgender issues.

Some would argue that pedophiles and zoophiles are not voluntary and can't be cured. But we all agree these people have a sickness or disorder.

 

[timschochet]

By the way Shader, my assertion that suicides are mostly caused by society being unwelcome to transgenders is not the same as direct bullying (though that often happens as well.) One doesn't need to be directly bullied to think, "My family is going to hate me, my friends will make fun of me, my church tells me I'm a sinner, everybody says this sort of thing means you're sick and gross- what the hell is wrong with me? Why do I feel this way?" THAT'S what I mean by society creating an unwelcome atmosphere.

The only solution to it will be time, and growing acceptance. The reaction in this story isn't going to help matters.

 

[timschochet]

I've seen a few have said transgender is a mental illness. If this is the case why would a school system promote and encourage this illness?

This is a touchy subject. People hate when you call transgender a mental illness. Which is very weird to me. What's the big deal? It's OBVIOUSLY a mental illness. Why not recognize it as such so that these people can get the help they need? Instead of trying to force all of society to change rules to accommodate people that are suffering from mental issues.

Because illness implies there's something wrong with it.

If I am chemically imbalanced, there's something wrong with me. I could do harm to myself or to others. If I am a psychopath, or a paranoid personality, who knows the crap I might do? I shouldn't be allowed to own guns, that's for sure.

But a transgender is no more "dangerous" to himself or herself, or to society, than a non-transgender.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder

Well, there's probably a good reason he's no longer there.

But seriously, I am no doctor. I am uncomfortable with the terms "illness" or "disorder" because both imply that the behavior is wrong, voluntary, and can be "cured". I don't believe that such ideas apply to transgender issues.

Some would argue that pedophiles and zoophiles are not voluntary and can't be cured. But we all agree these people have a sickness or disorder.

Interesting. Do you see no difference between these and a transgender?

 

[shader]

I've seen a few have said transgender is a mental illness. If this is the case why would a school system promote and encourage this illness?

This is a touchy subject. People hate when you call transgender a mental illness. Which is very weird to me. What's the big deal? It's OBVIOUSLY a mental illness. Why not recognize it as such so that these people can get the help they need? Instead of trying to force all of society to change rules to accommodate people that are suffering from mental issues.

Because illness implies there's something wrong with it.

If I am chemically imbalanced, there's something wrong with me. I could do harm to myself or to others. If I am a psychopath, or a paranoid personality, who knows the crap I might do? I shouldn't be allowed to own guns, that's for sure.

But a transgender is no more "dangerous" to himself or herself, or to society, than a non-transgender.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder

Well, there's probably a good reason he's no longer there.

But seriously, I am no doctor. I am uncomfortable with the terms "illness" or "disorder" because both imply that the behavior is wrong, voluntary, and can be "cured". I don't believe that such ideas apply to transgender issues.

Some would argue that pedophiles and zoophiles are not voluntary and can't be cured. But we all agree these people have a sickness or disorder.

Interesting. Do you see no difference between these and a transgender?

I thought his comparison was poor. We aren't talking about sexual preferences here. This is gender identity stuff.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Can we at least agree that having it removed surgically under general anesthesia is better than having it bitten off in a Buick?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

By the way Shader, my assertion that suicides are mostly caused by society being unwelcome to transgenders is not the same as direct bullying (though that often happens as well.) One doesn't need to be directly bullied to think, "My family is going to hate me, my friends will make fun of me, my church tells me I'm a sinner, everybody says this sort of thing means you're sick and gross- what the hell is wrong with me? Why do I feel this way?" THAT'S what I mean by society creating an unwelcome atmosphere.

The only solution to it will be time, and growing acceptance. The reaction in this story isn't going to help matters.

Lets be real. Some dude shows up in a dress and wig and we are all going to stare, maybe point and a high probability some of us laugh out loud. Do you know why? Because it is outside the norm. If you (man) put a dress and wig on you have to expect that. If you still follow through with it anyway, you probably are not clicking on all cylinders.

 

[timschochet]

OK, after thinking about this more, my conclusion is definitely that the school should provide a private area- or private time- for this student to change, shower, and use the restroom. No added expense may be necessary for this, as you could give the student a separate time- perhaps he can leave practice 5 minutes early or late, etc.

If the student protests, then the student is being unreasonable. A transgender student who is now a girl should not be forced to change and shower among boys, but at the same time, other girls who are not comfortable with her shouldn't be forced to change with her in the room. So this seems like a reasonable solution.

That being said, I would like to reach a point in our society in which transgenders CAN be in the same locker room without comment. That will take acceptance from these other girls and their parents. But we're not near that yet, and we shouldn't try to force it on anyone.

 

[Bonfire]

Can we at least agree that having it removed surgically under general anesthesia is better than having it bitten off in a Buick?

What year and model?

 

[McGarnicle]

There should be three locker rooms:

Boys

Girls

 

[TLEF316]

In what world does "illness" imply that something is voluntary? Makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[timschochet]

In what world does "illness" imply that something is voluntary? Makes absolutely zero sense.

Yeah, I didn't think about that very well. That was a poor argument on my part.

So let's just say I don't like the word illness because it implies that there is something wrong. There is not anything necessarily wrong with a transgender.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

OK, after thinking about this more, my conclusion is definitely that the school should provide a private area- or private time- for this student to change, shower, and use the restroom. No added expense may be necessary for this, as you could give the student a separate time- perhaps he can leave practice 5 minutes early or late, etc.

If the student protests, then the student is being unreasonable. A transgender student who is now a girl should not be forced to change and shower among boys, but at the same time, other girls who are not comfortable with her shouldn't be forced to change with her in the room. So this seems like a reasonable solution.

That being said, I would like to reach a point in our society in which transgenders CAN be in the same locker room without comment. That will take acceptance from these other girls and their parents. But we're not near that yet, and we shouldn't try to force it on anyone.

Now a girl in what way? He wears a dress and still has a schlong or he wears a dress and has a hatchet job?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

First of all, Title IX didn't exist in 1956. Second, the situation you're describing doesn't have anything to do with sexual discrimination.

Neither does this case.

Of course it does. The girls' complaint, as I understand it, is that they don't want to have to share a locker room with somebody of the opposite sex.

 

[timschochet]

OK, after thinking about this more, my conclusion is definitely that the school should provide a private area- or private time- for this student to change, shower, and use the restroom. No added expense may be necessary for this, as you could give the student a separate time- perhaps he can leave practice 5 minutes early or late, etc.

If the student protests, then the student is being unreasonable. A transgender student who is now a girl should not be forced to change and shower among boys, but at the same time, other girls who are not comfortable with her shouldn't be forced to change with her in the room. So this seems like a reasonable solution.

That being said, I would like to reach a point in our society in which transgenders CAN be in the same locker room without comment. That will take acceptance from these other girls and their parents. But we're not near that yet, and we shouldn't try to force it on anyone.

Now a girl in what way? He wears a dress and still has a schlong or he wears a dress and has a hatchet job?

That distinction doesn't matter to me. Transgenders are who they are.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

OK, after thinking about this more, my conclusion is definitely that the school should provide a private area- or private time- for this student to change, shower, and use the restroom. No added expense may be necessary for this, as you could give the student a separate time- perhaps he can leave practice 5 minutes early or late, etc.

If the student protests, then the student is being unreasonable. A transgender student who is now a girl should not be forced to change and shower among boys, but at the same time, other girls who are not comfortable with her shouldn't be forced to change with her in the room. So this seems like a reasonable solution.

That being said, I would like to reach a point in our society in which transgenders CAN be in the same locker room without comment. That will take acceptance from these other girls and their parents. But we're not near that yet, and we shouldn't try to force it on anyone.

Now a girl in what way? He wears a dress and still has a schlong or he wears a dress and has a hatchet job?

That distinction doesn't matter to me. Transgenders are who they are.

Well it very well may matter to the parents of the underage real girls when some dude is walking around with his schlong in their face.

 

[Hang 10]

In what world does "illness" imply that something is voluntary? Makes absolutely zero sense.

Yeah, I didn't think about that very well. That was a poor argument on my part.

So let's just say I don't like the word illness because it implies that there is something wrong. There is not anything necessarily wrong with a transgender.

There is clearly something "wrong". If there wasn't the he/she wouldn't need extensive plastic surgery and hormone therapy to fix anything, would they?

 

[McGarnicle]

I'll bet if the genders were reversed here, there wouldn't be any complaint by the boys.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

 

[BowieMercs]

Can we at least agree that having it removed surgically under general anesthesia is better than having it bitten off in a Buick?

+1 for Garp reference

 

[Ditka Butkus]

The fact is unfortunately some people don't fit in normal society. Hell right now in our local high school there is a male student who likes to finger paint with his s**t on the bathroom walls. Should the high school have to provide him a canvas.

 

[Hang 10]

I'll bet if the genders were reversed here, there wouldn't be any complaint by the boys.

Yeah, normally those chicks that want to be dudes are so hot.

 

[[icon]]

High School girls don't want some strange dude watching them shower? Who could have seen this coming?

It seems even this 3 year old kid figured this out.... why are these stupid millennials having trouble with it?

Have a penis? Go to the men's room/lockerroom.

Have a ######? Go to the womens room/lockerroom.

I don't give a #### what gender you're dressed like or what you "self-identify" as.

Damn... #### likes this makes me feel like clint eastwood in Gran Torino. Dip####s.

 

[[icon]]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

Yep. Want to use the women's locker room? Get your twig and berries turned into an orchid.

 

[timschochet]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

I don't disagree with any of this. As I wrote, I'd like to reach a point where teenage girls (or boys) were comfortable changing in front of transgenders, but many are not now. So be it. I offered what I think is a reasonable solution. If the student rejects it, that's on her.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

I don't disagree with any of this. As I wrote, I'd like to reach a point where teenage girls (or boys) were comfortable changing in front of transgenders, but many are not now. So be it. I offered what I think is a reasonable solution. If the student rejects it, that's on her.

Do you have kids?

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

In what world does "illness" imply that something is voluntary? Makes absolutely zero sense.

Yeah, I didn't think about that very well. That was a poor argument on my part.

 

[timschochet]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

Yep. Want to use the women's locker room? Get your twig and berries turned into an orchid.

Just to clarify this point, ICON- let's say this transgender has the full operation, and now no longer has a penis and is outwardly a female. If the other girls still reject being in the same locker room with her, they have no right to do so in your opinion? They're forced in that situation to accept her?

 

[timschochet]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

I don't disagree with any of this. As I wrote, I'd like to reach a point where teenage girls (or boys) were comfortable changing in front of transgenders, but many are not now. So be it. I offered what I think is a reasonable solution. If the student rejects it, that's on her.

Do you have kids?

Two daughters. They're very open to transgender, much more than I am. I haven't asked them about this but I'm sure they'd see no problem with it.

 

[Eminence]

I think we should respect women's rights. If women aren't comfortable sharing with a man, that's their right. Who am I to say what women should be OK with?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

I don't disagree with any of this. As I wrote, I'd like to reach a point where teenage girls (or boys) were comfortable changing in front of transgenders, but many are not now. So be it. I offered what I think is a reasonable solution. If the student rejects it, that's on her.

Do you have kids?

Two daughters. They're very open to transgender, much more than I am. I haven't asked them about this but I'm sure they'd see no problem with it.

Well god bless you. I've have two daughters and do not agree with these situations. Not even a little bit.

 

[timschochet]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

I don't disagree with any of this. As I wrote, I'd like to reach a point where teenage girls (or boys) were comfortable changing in front of transgenders, but many are not now. So be it. I offered what I think is a reasonable solution. If the student rejects it, that's on her.

Do you have kids?

Two daughters. They're very open to transgender, much more than I am. I haven't asked them about this but I'm sure they'd see no problem with it.

Well god bless you. I've have two daughters and do not agree with these situations. Not even a little bit.

It's a free country.

I think my solution should satisfy you, though. Separate time or facility. No one is offended.

 

[McGarnicle]

I really think we need some video of this locker room to really understand what's going on.

 

[D-Day]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

I don't disagree with any of this. As I wrote, I'd like to reach a point where teenage girls (or boys) were comfortable changing in front of transgenders, but many are not now. So be it. I offered what I think is a reasonable solution. If the student rejects it, that's on her.

Do you have kids?

Two daughters. They're very open to transgender, much more than I am. I haven't asked them about this but I'm sure they'd see no problem with it.

I am sure they may give you the political correct answer you want, but if they were in this position, I am sure they would feel at least a little uncomfortable at first. That is not just you and your kids, I'm saying in general. Now, with time and experience, this may not be a big deal to them.

As stated in the article, the student was offered a gender neutral room, but the student rejected that. As you responded earlier, then that's on them. I am with you on that too, but I keep thinking about "separate but equal" solutions in the past. If money was not an issue, building separate rooms for everyone to change/shower/toilet would be the solution. I am concerned that this gets pushed legally and the solution the school board comes up with reminds me of a certain clerk in Kentucky... if I have to include issuing marriage licenses to gays, then no one gets a marriage license... The school board removes the class or activity that necessitated the locker room.

 

[Hang 10]

I really think we need some video of this locker room to really understand what's going on.

Okay, Jared.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Transgenders are who they are.

Yes, they are. And teenage girls are who they are -- uncomfortable with changing clothes and showering in front of somebody of the opposite sex (transgendered or not). They're not intolerant, and they're not bigots -- they're perfectly normal teenagers who aren't comfortable with locker room nudity. Hell, a lot of adults aren't comfortable in locker rooms. This isn't some weird thing; it's completely normal and understandable.

I don't disagree with any of this. As I wrote, I'd like to reach a point where teenage girls (or boys) were comfortable changing in front of transgenders, but many are not now. So be it. I offered what I think is a reasonable solution. If the student rejects it, that's on her.

Do you have kids?

Two daughters. They're very open to transgender, much more than I am. I haven't asked them about this but I'm sure they'd see no problem with it.

Well god bless you. I've have two daughters and do not agree with these situations. Not even a little bit.

It's a free country.

I think my solution should satisfy you, though. Separate time or facility. No one is offended.

Yes I would have no problem with that. Again we are talking about underage kids. Also this would not only be for the girls protection but the transgender. How easy would it be for one of these girls to make a false accusation if they are sharing the same bathroom/locker room.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

So, the guy who is uncomfortable in changing clothes around other guys, thinks the girls who are uncomfortable changing clothes around a single guy are bigots?

Yes.

 

[saintsfan]

I have two daughters.

Sorry. Don't want them changing in a locker room with a boy. I don't think that makes me intolerant. I think it makes me normal. Especially since the most famous transgender in the world right now admits that he is attracted to women, even though he identifies as one. If there needs to be a 3rd gender neutral restroom, so be it, but I would expect the vast majority of people to NEVER feel comfortable with this and I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[Fennis]

I said several weeks ago that with gay marriage now codified transgender rights would be the next great campaign for progressives and their allies in academia and the media. The agitations never end, even in the face of logic and natural law. Even the military is getting in on the act. How do you think such accommodations are going to work within the confines of a Navy vessel or a forward deployed fire support base?

This isn't a lifestyle, it's a mental disorder. Cross-dressers on the front line. Madness. Then again, our enemies will be laughing so hard they won't be able to fight so maybe it will all work out.

Father son talk 101:

Son: Dad I'm gay

Father: I understand son, and I'm here for you and love you very much.

Son: Dad I want to be a girl

Father: What?

Son: I'm transgender

Father: get away from me you weirdo. What the hell is wrong with you.

It's good to see progress. For people like you, 10 years ago the father/son conversation for gay would mimic the one you have for transgender.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I said several weeks ago that with gay marriage now codified transgender rights would be the next great campaign for progressives and their allies in academia and the media. The agitations never end, even in the face of logic and natural law. Even the military is getting in on the act. How do you think such accommodations are going to work within the confines of a Navy vessel or a forward deployed fire support base?

This isn't a lifestyle, it's a mental disorder. Cross-dressers on the front line. Madness. Then again, our enemies will be laughing so hard they won't be able to fight so maybe it will all work out.

Father son talk 101:

Son: Dad I'm gay

Father: I understand son, and I'm here for you and love you very much.

Son: Dad I want to be a girl

Father: What?

Son: I'm transgender

Father: get away from me you weirdo. What the hell is wrong with you.

It's good to see progress. For people like you, 10 years ago the father/son conversation for gay would mimic the one you have for transgender.

Hey, thanks....

 

[Henry Ford]

I said several weeks ago that with gay marriage now codified transgender rights would be the next great campaign for progressives and their allies in academia and the media. The agitations never end, even in the face of logic and natural law. Even the military is getting in on the act. How do you think such accommodations are going to work within the confines of a Navy vessel or a forward deployed fire support base?

This isn't a lifestyle, it's a mental disorder. Cross-dressers on the front line. Madness. Then again, our enemies will be laughing so hard they won't be able to fight so maybe it will all work out.

You're not understanding properly.

"Gender dysphoria" is classified as a disorder - living as a non-birth-assigned sex is not. Treatment options for gender dysphoria include bringing one's appearance and lifestyle in line with how one "feels" as opposed to birth-assigned gender.

So if we're using the classification as a mental disorder, we should probably change the thread title to "HS girls stage lockout to protest mental health treatment."

 

[Smack Tripper]

Does co-ed bathrooms mean we will finally get couches in the men's john?

 

[matttyl]

I've seen a few have said transgender is a mental illness. If this is the case why would a school system promote and encourage this illness?

This is a touchy subject. People hate when you call transgender a mental illness. Which is very weird to me. What's the big deal? It's OBVIOUSLY a mental illness. Why not recognize it as such so that these people can get the help they need? Instead of trying to force all of society to change rules to accommodate people that are suffering from mental issues.

Because illness implies there's something wrong with it.

If I am chemically imbalanced, there's something wrong with me. I could do harm to myself or to others. If I am a psychopath, or a paranoid personality, who knows the crap I might do? I shouldn't be allowed to own guns, that's for sure.

But a transgender is no more "dangerous" to himself or herself, or to society, than a non-transgender.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder

Well, there's probably a good reason he's no longer there.

But seriously, I am no doctor. I am uncomfortable with the terms "illness" or "disorder" because both imply that the behavior is wrong, voluntary, and can be "cured". I don't believe that such ideas apply to transgender issues.

Because he's in his mid 80's?

 

[Henry Ford]

Does co-ed bathrooms mean we will finally get couches in the men's john?

No, it means women have to use a restroom that looks and smells like a sewer. Lowest common denominator usually wins out on these things.

 

[Henry Ford]

I really wish people would stop quoting Paul McHugh.

 

[Apple Jack]

So, the guy who is uncomfortable in changing clothes around other guys, thinks the girls who are uncomfortable changing clothes around a single guy are bigots?

Yes.

High school kid behaves irrationally. Alert the media.

 

[Franknbeans]

The fact is unfortunately some people don't fit in normal society. Hell right now in our local high school there is a male student who likes to finger paint with his s**t on the bathroom walls. Should the high school have to provide him a canvas.

sounds like they already did

 

[Hang 10]

So, the guy who is uncomfortable in changing clothes around other guys, thinks the girls who are uncomfortable changing clothes around a single guy are bigots?

Yes.

High school kid behaves irrationally. Alert the media.

High school behaves irrationally. Kids protest. Alert the media.

 

[parrot]

Rockaction you keep warning about these slippery slopes. Yet we all know that transgender people do exist and many are high school students. So if you had your way, what should we do about it?

What's wrong with the tried and true method of marginalization and ridicule until they hopefully commit suicide? If it ain't broke...

This is a gross distortion of my argument, and anybody who argues this way knows it and will vilify my position to the extent that it need be. That is all.

No more words wasted on this idiot.

Which idiot are you referring to?

If me, I wasn't distorting any argument of yours, I was making a sarcastic crack about how transgenders have historically been treated. Get over yourself.

 

[matttyl]

So if I'm understanding this correctly, the school could easily come under a title IX situation no matter what it decides. If they let this student into the girls locker room, the other girls (their parents) could file a suit. If they don't allow it, this student (her parents) could file suit.

While I kinda agree with Tim's idea of a gender neutral facility, this student didn't want that - and I can kinda agree - instead of being told you'll either use the locker room of the gender you are (which is still male) or of the sex you identify with (which is female), you're going to get this third option and not be part of either group.

Also, to me, for some reason when I was picturing Tim's idea in my head of a gender neutral facility just for her, the first image that popped in my head was of the plywood bathroom built for Aibileen in the movie The Help.

 

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I said several weeks ago that with gay marriage now codified transgender rights would be the next great campaign for progressives and their allies in academia and the media. The agitations never end, even in the face of logic and natural law. Even the military is getting in on the act. How do you think such accommodations are going to work within the confines of a Navy vessel or a forward deployed fire support base?

This isn't a lifestyle, it's a mental disorder. Cross-dressers on the front line. Madness. Then again, our enemies will be laughing so hard they won't be able to fight so maybe it will all work out.

Father son talk 101:

Son: Dad I'm gay

Father: I understand son, and I'm here for you and love you very much.

Son: Dad I want to be a girl

Father: What?

Son: I'm transgender

Father: get away from me you weirdo. What the hell is wrong with you.

It's good to see progress. For people like you, 10 years ago the father/son conversation for gay would mimic the one you have for transgender.

Ah, yes. The old "you're standing in the way of progress" line. Pretty soon we'll be reading comparisons between Martin Luther King and RuPaul.