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Hughes Fire/LA Fires - NO Politics (1 Viewer)
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The Z Machine
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That's the one up by Lake Castaic, right?
culdeus
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Sat PM
Chemical X
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curious nowadays…how is or does a fire become political? are we at that point?It's bonkers out here
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SofaKings
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In terms of Global Warming and California land management policies.curious nowadays…how is or does a fire become political? are we at that point?It's bonkers out here
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We can try this again if we can keep it to news reporting of the fire. When it comes to scoring points by blaming or defending politics or politicians and the snark that follows, this won't make it here.
Please don't do that as the information can be helpful if we keep politics out of its
Please don't do that as the information can be helpful if we keep politics out of its
fatness
Footballguy
The LA Times has an ongoing list of updates to the fire news: https://www.latimes.com/california/live/la-fire-updates-huges-eaton-palisades-red-flag-warning
Chemical X
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seems straw graspy. but what do i know, i don’t live there anymore (In terms of Global Warming and California land management policies.curious nowadays…how is or does a fire become political? are we at that point?It's bonkers out here
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rockaction
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I agree with your take to the degree that we treat it that way. When the President is threatening to withhold aid from California unless they change wildfire management policy, then it becomes wildly political. Even debates about whether it should be political or not wind up political.
These days, seemingly apolitical tragedies are scrubbed to their microscopic level and politics is found therein. It's dangerous to make everything political; then again, it's dangerous when you assume your neighbor has the same basic moral, social, and political valuations that you do. Communists and libertarians are not, at their core, set to govern together without a whole lot of death involved.
That America is doing this was my greatest fear since I was seventeen. "The personal is political" is an old feminist phrase I fought doggedly because then everything is political. Once the right adopts that mantra fully (and they have begun to), I'm afraid there's no looking back. Everything will be political.
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rockaction
Footballguy
And I'm frightened for L.A. and the people that live there and also where I am in SoCal (Inland). So instead of brush fire management experts and the like, let's try and keep it limited to news and spread, huh?
nirad3
Footballguy
In Irvine, by the OC airport, it was 85 degrees just after lunchtime yesterday. Winds whipping all over the place. About 30% humidity.
My allergies have never been so bad.
Chemical X
Footballguy
the air quality must be hideous….
Nipsey
Footballguy
My friend in Santa Clarita sent me this last night just before they were evacuated. Got the all clear today thankfully.
Nipsey
Footballguy
People are definitely freaking out about this. Some city board said the lead levels in the air are still very high but it's hard to know whether that is all over or just near the burn zones. For two days after the Eaton (Altadena) fire, my neighborhood (20 miles away) smelled like burning tupperware. I didn't go out at all and kept the windows shut. Others went out jogging like nothing was wrong. It smells fine now but people are still masking up. Rain possibly coming this weekend and LA reddit internet air quality experts saying this will wash the toxin filled ash away.
Gr00vus
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If the rain is heavy enough in the wrong places, we're going to have mudslide problems. Right now it's looking like .15 in Sat, .30 in Sun around Palisades, .25 in Sat, .50 in Sun around Eaton.
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DA RAIDERS
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Just a really weird weather day. Especially for January. Very hot. 79 for me at the beach. VERY windy and incredibly dry. Noticeably so. I dont usually notice the humidity level but I felt parched today. Dry lips/skin. Thirsty. Etc. and since we live in the desert, the temperature swing is 40 degrees. A brisk 39 tonight. Crazy
fatness
Footballguy
"The Los Angeles and San Diego areas will get more rain this weekend than in the last six months combined. A half-inch to 3/4 of an inch of rain is expected to fall from Saturday to Sunday on the main burn scars of the Palisades and Eaton fires, the National Weather Service said. While that might not sound like a lot, Los Angeles has seen only 0.03 inches of rain since October 1 – far less than the average of 5.5 inches from October to January. The rain expected this weekend will be the first drops in January, and they will fall quickly over charred land that can’t absorb water.
“A lot of that rain may fall in a relatively short amount of time,” said Ariel Cohen, the meteorologist in charge of the National Weather Service office in Los Angeles. That torrent will lead to “the possibility of at least shallow debris flows, mudslides and landslides,” Cohen said. “The burn scars, with the widespread loss of trees, shrubs and vegetation, will have a much lower capability of handling the rain and will be more susceptible for failure,” he said. “It behaves more like cement; the ground can’t accept the water, so it all goes to runoff immediately.” "
“A lot of that rain may fall in a relatively short amount of time,” said Ariel Cohen, the meteorologist in charge of the National Weather Service office in Los Angeles. That torrent will lead to “the possibility of at least shallow debris flows, mudslides and landslides,” Cohen said. “The burn scars, with the widespread loss of trees, shrubs and vegetation, will have a much lower capability of handling the rain and will be more susceptible for failure,” he said. “It behaves more like cement; the ground can’t accept the water, so it all goes to runoff immediately.” "
DA RAIDERS
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Went to the bill burr special at the Wiltern tonight. Proceeds to the fire victims. Most excellent. Much hilarity
Gr00vus
Footballguy
It's hard for me to get into the mindset of someone like this. I'm not saying he had evil intent or anything, but just the fundamental cluelessness, the inability to gauge potential negative consequences of things they consider doing - I don't get it. How hard is it to follow the idea that "I feel like sending a drone up over the fire area to see what's going on" with "well, that might come into conflict with the other aircraft involved in actually mitigating the problem" or even "there are already t.v. helicopters up there getting this footage, so I really don't need to do this right now."
Bob Sacamano
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People are stupid
Dennis Castro
Footballguy
I’m legitimately curious—was there a benefit concert or anything like that for the people of Paradise, CA who were affected by the Camp Fire in 2018? They lost 85 people and their entire town was pretty much destroyed. Not quite as many A-Listers living there though.
EDIT: Sorry to put him on the spot, but I’m wondering if @parasaurolophus might have any thoughts on this.
EDIT: Sorry to put him on the spot, but I’m wondering if @parasaurolophus might have any thoughts on this.
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Interesting. I normally don't care for these types of big events but watched it this morning because I heard so much about the Nirvana reunion. "All Apologies" was ok, but otherwise I thought this set was terrible.
Other thoughts on the concert:
- The Gorman-less Crowes are still a poor imitation of what they were in their prime, though "Going to California" was solid
- Not the greatest performance, but I did like seeing Nash and Stills on the stage together; didn't know much about Dawes previously, but they were solid
- While definitely not my style and I don't own any of their albums, I still contend that No Doubt puts on a heck of a live performance
- Surprising to me, but I think my favorite performance was actually Pink
- Stevie Wonder was, of course, awesome
UncleZen
Footballguy
I agree with you that I thought Pink was outstanding and I'm not really a fan of hers. The Nirvana reunion was a little rough but still cool to see. Same with Stills and Nash. The only thing I thought was not good about the Black Crowes was Chris seemed all coked out and all over the place. The band sounded fine.
fatness
Footballguy
Hughes fire, Palisades fire, and Eaton fire are all 100% contained, thankfully.
www.latimes.com
Palisades and Eaton fires now 100% contained. But a long road to recovery looms
The devastating firestorm that rained embers and terror across Los Angeles County has officially come to an end, with fire crews reaching 100% containment on the Palisades and Eaton fires Friday evening.
www.latimes.com
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
It’s the demographic. Many many musicians, actors, producers, support staff and their friends lived there. Or knew people that lived there I went to a bill burr/shane Gillis benefit comedy show last Monday. Bill burr nearly lost his house. He knows people that did. Im sure he was just doing what he could. And it’s what they do, it’s easy for them to put on a show.
There wasn’t a concert, but in Maui where my BIL lost everything, there were fundraisers of different types. We didn’t hear about my in-laws two places of business that burned down, but we heard about cheeseburger in paradise and fleetwoods. It’s just fame and the nature of the fame game.
Nipsey
Footballguy
Yes, there were several benefit shows for the Camp Fire. This week's Fire Aid show was more organized and featured bigger-name artists but there were definitely multiple fundraisers for the Camp fire. If I remember right some bands (Metallica?) also donated proceeds from their own shows.
beer 30
Footballguy
Shameless plug but your friendly, local neighborhood Sunbelt Rentals has air scrubbers for rent that will help with this stuff. HEPA filters to help with the particulates and ozone machines to help get rid of the really tough smells (the kind where you can be in the room and it won't kill you). We just move a metric **** ton into the area to help out. Wishing everybody well with the cleanup, stay safe.
PS - All the rental companies have air scrubbers and we all buy from the same folks, ours aren't any better than anybody else's, I'm just partial to the folks who pay me ;-)
fatness
Footballguy
SoCal Edison says its equipment likely started the Hurst Fire in Sylmar last month
SoCal is still looking into whether their equipment started the Eaton fire as well.
SoCal is still looking into whether their equipment started the Eaton fire as well.
Max Power
Footballguy
LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass on Friday afternoon said she met with and removed LAFD Chief Kristin Crowley "effective immediately."
"Acting in the best interests of Los Angeles' public safety, and for the operations of the Los Angeles Fire Department, I have removed Kristin Crowley as Fire Chief," Bass said in a statement. "We know that 1,000 firefighters that could have been on duty on the morning the fires broke out were instead sent home on Chief Crowley's watch. Furthermore, a necessary step to an investigation was the President of the Fire Commission telling Chief Crowley to do an after action report on the fires. The Chief refused. These require her removal. The heroism of our firefighters - during the Palisades fire and every single day - is without question. Bringing new leadership to the Fire Department is what our city needs."
"Acting in the best interests of Los Angeles' public safety, and for the operations of the Los Angeles Fire Department, I have removed Kristin Crowley as Fire Chief," Bass said in a statement. "We know that 1,000 firefighters that could have been on duty on the morning the fires broke out were instead sent home on Chief Crowley's watch. Furthermore, a necessary step to an investigation was the President of the Fire Commission telling Chief Crowley to do an after action report on the fires. The Chief refused. These require her removal. The heroism of our firefighters - during the Palisades fire and every single day - is without question. Bringing new leadership to the Fire Department is what our city needs."
fatness
Footballguy
To update:
L.A. County sues Southern California Edison over Eaton fire
There are also 40 residents suing SoCal separately.
