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Hurricane Irma Updates - Mia/TB likely to move locations or date. (1 Viewer)

Mr. Irrelevant said:
As soon as I saw the available options being floated I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that the NFL would land on the worst possible choice, which in this case is moving it to the bye week.

I always thought we'd see a 2-game preseason and a 17/18-game regular season with two bye weeks happen as soon as the new CBA is enacted. Now I'm wondering if they'll even wait that long.
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Not to combine discussions, but yet just another reason that we cant trust Goodell to do whats right. You could have handled this without ppd, as long as an NFL stadium sits vacant, you had options. 

 
Mavis said:
Not to combine discussions, but yet just another reason that we cant trust Goodell to do whats right. You could have handled this without ppd, as long as an NFL stadium sits vacant, you had options. 
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Remember who Goodell works for, then ask yourself who takes the financial hit if the game gets played at a neutral site.

Follow the :moneybag:  ... sadly, it really is that simple.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
As soon as I saw the available options being floated I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that the NFL would land on the worst possible choice, which in this case is moving it to the bye week.

I always thought we'd see a 2-game preseason and a 17/18-game regular season with two bye weeks happen as soon as the new CBA is enacted. Now I'm wondering if they'll even wait that long.
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Just to play the other side of the coin, maybe it IS best to play the game during their bye week because at least then the players could think about moving family and safety in terms of their family. I'm really basing this on the interview I saw where a Texans player basically had to tell his wife and 8 week old daughter "uh, close the doors and call me when you can" as he had to go play a pre-season game in Dallas (was scheduled to anyway) and left his family and home in Houston to whatever may be.

I completely agree with player safety but it seems like dollar bills are going to drive this no matter what so why not have an option, if possible that allows people and their families to seek safety, take time to move out of the area, etc.  I mean, let's be realistic here: some Dolphins season ticket holder is probably arguing all week with his wife who wants to pack up their 2.3 kids and dog and get out of town cause he's holding out to see if the game is going to be played...and he payed good money for those tickets so he's not wasting them, too.

 
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Jed said:
I can't believe they are considering no bye week. What a joke the NFL has become pretending to care about player safety.
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So I am getting to be an old man of almost 50 but I remember back in the day when there was no bye week and we didn't feel it was a safety issue.  The bye week isn't for player safety, it's to squeeze more t.v. revenue by playing a 16 game schedule in 17 weeks.

 
Warhogs said:
So I am getting to be an old man of almost 50 but I remember back in the day when there was no bye week and we didn't feel it was a safety issue.  The bye week isn't for player safety, it's to squeeze more t.v. revenue by playing a 16 game schedule in 17 weeks.
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In 1960 and 1966 they only had a 14 game season but each team got a bye week.  The years between those two and after till 1978 they played every week for 14 weeks.  From 1978 to 1989 they played 16 games in 16 weeks.  In 1990 they added the bye week again.

 
Warhogs said:
So I am getting to be an old man of almost 50 but I remember back in the day when there was no bye week and we didn't feel it was a safety issue.  The bye week isn't for player safety, it's to squeeze more t.v. revenue by playing a 16 game schedule in 17 weeks.
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In a league where they play Sunday and then have to play again on thursday sometimes, I am not surprised. 

 
FWIW

The NFL has its mouthpieces working overtime on twitter to excuse not having bye weeks, so you know whats coming from the NFL next. 

 
Roy Cummings:

“Re: #Bucs-#Dolphins opener. hearing #NFL wants to push game to Nov. 19 shared bye. Teams want them to find a neutral site for Sunday”

 
Does anyone know if Orlando is in the path of Hurricane Irma?  If the game is moved to a neutral site, Orlando, unless it's in the path of Irma, is the only place that makes sense.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Rotoworld suggests it's far more likely the game is moved to a neutral site. 
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Rotoworld is just a site of goofballs publishing tweets and blurbs from other places. They add in their own two cents which is often nonsense.

Half the time they post speculation from a beat writer as if it's gospel. e.g. Rich Cimini of ESPN projects so and so to not make the roster.  Rotoworld: So and So likely to not make the roster.  Then they add, this guy was the worst QB in the pre-season  (despite that hey probably never even watched him play).

It's a garbage site. The other day they wrote something about Carlos Rodon was removed after 4 innings for throwing too many pitches. The truth was that there was a long rain delay and you're not risking your young pitcher's health after he's cooled off for so long. 

 
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NYRAGE said:
Rotoworld is just a site of goofballs publishing tweets and blurbs from other places. They add in their own two cents which is often nonsense.

Half the time they post speculation from a beat writer as if it's gospel. e.g. Rich Cimini of ESPN projects so and so to not make the roster.  Rotoworld: So and So likely to not make the roster.  Then they add, this guy was the worst QB in the pre-season  (despite that hey probably never even watched him play).

It's a garbage site. The other day they wrote something about Carlos Rodon was removed after 4 innings for throwing too many pitches. The truth was that there was a long rain delay and you're not risking your young pitcher's health after he's cooled off for so long. 
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That's why they're called "rotowrong" - but I did see the blurb so I figured I'd throw it into the mix. 

 
Yogibear said:
Does anyone know if Orlando is in the path of Hurricane Irma?  If the game is moved to a neutral site, Orlando, unless it's in the path of Irma, is the only place that makes sense.
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I don't see how they could hold the game anywhere in Florida on Sunday.  The path of the hurricane is going to change just about every hour until it gets close to land.  I followed Harvey a lot last week since my brother lives there and it was crazy how often the predictions changed.  I don't see how they could risk it since there is so much preparation that goes into a game days ahead of time.

 
In 08 BAL and HOU had week 2 byes due to a hurricane.

In 92 MIA had a week 1 bye due to a hurricane.

The NFL has set a precedent for this. I know it sucks for both IRL and fantasy players but it seems to be the most likely scenario. I'm already preparing to be without a couple of guys.

 
I live in Florida and the stores are chaotic already, there won't be any football in Florida this week/weekend.

The game should be played in Atlanta or New Orleans on Sunday.

 
Bacon is Delicious said:
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Ajayi and Evans on my team. If they push this to their bye week..... :wall:  
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same here. Can't believe I have to go into week 1, missing my 1st and 2nd round picks. Grrrr.......

 
Keith1 said:
same here. Can't believe I have to go into week 1, missing my 1st and 2nd round picks. Grrrr.......
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Does it matter?  You were going to have to have them out in the same week at some point regardless.  I have Winston as my only QB which means I actually have to drop a player to pick up a second QB before the season starts.  Still not that big of a deal though.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Does it matter?  You were going to have to have them out in the same week at some point regardless.  I have Winston as my only QB which means I actually have to drop a player to pick up a second QB before the season starts.  Still not that big of a deal though.
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Sure it matters. By week 11 other players would have developed on my roster and/or on waivers. There are no other options like that in week 1.

 
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Hawkeye21 said:
Does it matter?  You were going to have to have them out in the same week at some point regardless.  I have Winston as my only QB which means I actually have to drop a player to pick up a second QB before the season starts.  Still not that big of a deal though.
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I think so. If their byes are at the normal time your fantasy opponent's odds of having players on bye too is higher. It's a pretty big advantage if I have my top draft pick Evans out if my fantasy opponent didn't happen to draft any Miami or TB players. 

The first four weeks everyone is supposed to be at full strength. 

 
NREC34 said:
I think so. If their byes are at the normal time your fantasy opponent's odds of having players on bye too is higher. It's a pretty big advantage if I have my top draft pick Evans out if my fantasy opponent didn't happen to draft any Miami or TB players. 

The first four weeks everyone is supposed to be at full strength. 
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and this too

 
Sounds like progress: 

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are neutral sites under consideration if the Bucs-Dolphins game is to be played this weekend.

Both the Steelers and Eagles are on the road to open their seasons. It's still to be determined if the Bucs-Dolphins game will even play this week; the NFL is expected to make a ruling on Wednesday if the two teams will travel to a neutral site or move the game back to Week 11 when both Tampa Bay and Miami are scheduled to have its bye weeks. That would be a brutal season if both clubs are to play 16-straight weeks without an open date. Neither team wants it.
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neither team wants a week 1 BYE. IMO they'll get the game moved. 

 
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Mavis said:
Lol, I get it trust me, but fantasy owners will not have him until week 5. I understand what happens when a game is played during a bye week.

True or false, week 11 doesnt matter if you are already eliminated by then? True or false, having a player back week 4 is better than having him back week 5?

I know he doesnt lose a game, but no different then Zeke, wont matter if he is back in week 10 if you already eliminated by the time he comes back. Each week is crucial when you only have 13.

Not that anyone is relying on Martin early knowing this but even one week adjusts a lot. Point being, making him avail week 5 instead of week 4 stinks. 
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A win in week 5 counts the same as a win in week 11.  His suspension is 3 games any way you look at it.  He'll also have a bye week at some point during the fantasy season any way you look at it. 

 
1. Strongest reason to play at a neutral site this weekend: maintain the planned bye week for each team, which prevents playing 16 straight weeks.

2. Strongest reason to make week 1 the bye week for these teams and instead play during the planned bye week: players and staff for both teams do not have to travel and leave their families to deal with hurricane prep and possible evacuation without them.

3. The only other significant factor seems to be that making this the bye week for these teams maintains this as a home game for Miami.

It seems that everyone in this thread is essentially ignoring #2, but IMO #2 trumps #1. :shrug:  

 
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tangfoot said:
Players can get their families to safety during a neutral site game. Bye week, maybe not so much. 
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Don't understand your point on the bolded. If it becomes a bye week, the players immediately get days off to prepare and, if necessary, evacuate. Then they report next Tuesday for normal game week activities.

Also, it isn't just the players. NFL teams take from 135 to 200 people (players, coaches, staff) to road games. That is a lot of families left to deal with the hurricane.

 
Ojaays said:
Really? I thought they were all about player safety? Playing 16 straight weeks doesn't fit that narrative.
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This narrative is overblown IMO. Green Bay played 16 straight weeks last season. This year, Atlanta has a bye in week 5, meaning they could play in 15 straight weeks if they make the NFCCG, as they did last season.

If bye week placement was really about player safety/health, they would be more concentrated in the center of the regular season, say in the middle 4 weeks. But that would leave out too many games for the TV networks.

Or there would be two bye weeks for every team, using 18 weeks for every team to play 16 games.

Hint: bye week placement is not about player safety.

 
Just Win Baby said:
1. Strongest reason to play at a neutral site this weekend: maintain the planned bye week for each team, which prevents playing 16 straight weeks.

2. Strongest reason to make week 1 the bye week for these teams and instead play during the planned bye week: players and staff for both teams do not have to travel and leave their families to deal with hurricane prep and possible evacuation without them.

3. The only other significant factor seems to be that making this the bye week for these teams maintains this as a home game for Miami.

It seems that everyone in this thread is essentially ignoring #2, but IMO #2 trumps #1. :shrug:  
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Agreed on point #2...all parties having to deal with poor options the whole way around.  But this storm looks like a monster...and in watching the aftermath of Harvey, it's clear that the Texans being trapped away from home was an ordeal.

 
Yeah not sure I buy the whole player-safety argument. Is there evidence that the bye week actually reduces injury? Sure, recovery is important, but is there really a huge difference between one and two weeks 1x/season? I see why the players like it though. Rest time after camp and the start of the season. Pretty brutal. Maybe the benefit is mental as much as it is physical.

But let's not fool ourselves. The push for 17 weeks was all about the dolla bills yo, just like the push for Sunday night and Thursday night games.

 
Just Win Baby said:
1. Strongest reason to play at a neutral site this weekend: maintain the planned bye week for each team, which prevents playing 16 straight weeks.

2. Strongest reason to make week 1 the bye week for these teams and instead play during the planned bye week: players and staff for both teams do not have to travel and leave their families to deal with hurricane prep and possible evacuation without them.

3. The only other significant factor seems to be that making this the bye week for these teams maintains this as a home game for Miami.

It seems that everyone in this thread is essentially ignoring #2, but IMO #2 trumps #1. :shrug:  
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Not ignoring #2 at all. But since these folks are all millionaires I'm pretty sure they're already flying their families to their vacation homes or nice hotels or extended family's houses. 

So while I understand that many of these folks on the Bucs & Dolphins live in Florida, (not all do) they also have the resources to get out, and mitigate that worry significantly.

so not being unsympathetic - I just assumed #2 isn't as hard for the players/staff effected than say, a poor person in Florida. 

 
Philly or Pittsburgh on Sunday makes the most sense. Gives time for teams to get their families out, satisfies the bye week issue, and would likely draw a reasonable crowd.  Maybe better than Carolina or Atlanta, particularly if the storm heads their way and people in those areas need to prepare.

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Not ignoring #2 at all. But since these folks are all millionaires I'm pretty sure they're already flying their families to their vacation homes or nice hotels or extended family's houses. 

So while I understand that many of these folks on the Bucs & Dolphins live in Florida, (not all do) they also have the resources to get out, and mitigate that worry significantly.

so not being unsympathetic - I just assumed #2 isn't as hard for the players/staff effected than say, a poor person in Florida. 
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"These folks" are not nearly all millionaires. I linked previously to a source saying 135-200 people travel for a NFL team when they go on the road to play. Of that number, you can assume that less than half (far less if we are on the 200 end of the spectrum) are or will ever be millionaires. We're talking about trainers, equipment guys, etc., not just star players, head coaches, coordinators, GMs, and owners.

 
Any self respecting job in the area is giving their employees time off to deal with this mess. I'm a dolphins fan and Ajayi fantasy owner, but c'mon, let these people be with their families and prepare their homes for this disaster. It's just football. 

 
I like Chris longs idea of moving the game to a neutral site--and any ticket sales from the game should go towards Hurricane relief. The NFL could use some halfway decent press for doing somethng positive with all the mis-steps that they've been having lately.  

 
Just Win Baby said:
This narrative is overblown IMO. Green Bay played 16 straight weeks last season. This year, Atlanta has a bye in week 5, meaning they could play in 15 straight weeks if they make the NFCCG, as they did last season.

If bye week placement was really about player safety/health, they would be more concentrated in the center of the regular season, say in the middle 4 weeks. But that would leave out too many games for the TV networks.

Or there would be two bye weeks for every team, using 18 weeks for every team to play 16 games.

Hint: bye week placement is not about player safety.
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This narrative is overblown IMO. Its always easy for others who dont wear helmets, pads and hit each other daily to tell others they dont need a week off. 

 
Just Win Baby said:
"These folks" are not nearly all millionaires. I linked previously to a source saying 135-200 people travel for a NFL team when they go on the road to play. Of that number, you can assume that less than half (far less if we are on the 200 end of the spectrum) are or will ever be millionaires. We're talking about trainers, equipment guys, etc., not just star players, head coaches, coordinators, GMs, and owners.
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Ok, my bad. I assumed everyone working for an NFL team was capable of evacuating. Probably a poor assumption on my part.

my point was that I'm not without sympathy for them. I'm hoping that everyone involved, and my friends in Florida are as able to get through this with minimal trauma.

 
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