I believe that Shaun Alexander ..... (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

SA is a good RB but he has nowhere near the intangibles of LT - dedication to the game, will to win, teamwork, and willingness to play through injuries. Take SA if you want and you'll probably be fine, but I'll take my chances with LT.

I posted this before the season about taking SA over LT (turned out to be the correct pick) but I still stick to it.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Obviously Alexander wasn't faking his injury.

But I totally agree that he was running scared from the outset. If anyone has a Tivo of the game, watch his carries. Of the six carries, he was looking for the ground prior to contact on three of them and coughed up the ball untouched on a fourth.

In particular, on the play where he was injured he headed for the ground before he was touched, which is why he ended up face down on the rug in a position where a tackler's knee could hit his head.

Think about it -- how does an RB end up face down on the ground in a situation where an onrushing LB's knee ends up in the back of his helmet? When he dives to the ground before the LB gets there.

But don't just flame me. Take a look at the Tivo like I did. Then tell me what you see.

Alexander has done that all season. If he dances behind the LOS and finds nothing, then he will go to the ground to avoid getting crunched. It may actually be one of the reasons why he hasn't missed a start in forever.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Obviously Alexander wasn't faking his injury.

But I totally agree that he was running scared from the outset. If anyone has a Tivo of the game, watch his carries. Of the six carries, he was looking for the ground prior to contact on three of them and coughed up the ball untouched on a fourth.

In particular, on the play where he was injured he headed for the ground before he was touched, which is why he ended up face down on the rug in a position where a tackler's knee could hit his head.

Think about it -- how does an RB end up face down on the ground in a situation where an onrushing LB's knee ends up in the back of his helmet? When he dives to the ground before the LB gets there.

But don't just flame me. Take a look at the Tivo like I did. Then tell me what you see.

Alexander has done that all season. If he dances behind the LOS and finds nothing, then he will go to the ground to avoid getting crunched. It may actually be one of the reasons why he hasn't missed a start in forever.

Alexander's always been tentative behind the line of scrimmage, and has a tendency to look really, really bad when his line isn't opening holes.

His strength is that once he finds the hole, he's one of the most explosive runners in the league.

 

[jbz]

He's had the tag of being a soft runner/player before, though I have a tough time believing he'd want out of a game that had so much riding on it. His playoff numbers are bad, you'd think he'd want a shot to redeem himself in front of the home crowd no? But I can't blame him since the Redskins D hits so damn hard

He set the NFL record for TDs in a season, geez, just think if he wasn't soft, he'd be unstopable!!!

You're right, he would be I didn't make nor agree with the notion that he was soft, but it is out there. I read it on Seahawk boards in years prior since I owned Alexander before and was trying to get a feel for him. Plenty of Hawk fans claim he runs soft, TD record or not. The man has a dominant OL and plays half his schedule against cream puff defenses. Look at some of the previous posts above this one, clearly it's not some random thought that he might be a soft runner. It's something people have been speculating/discussing on for several seasons.

 

[Kleck]

I totally agree that he was running scared from the outset.

I agree. We saw this immediately in our house. Alexander has taken some huge steps forward this past two years. However, he looked like the Alexander from two years ago during that game. He could have followed FB Mack Strong into the hole on several plays, but slammed on the brakes instead looking to break something outside. Not cool. Strong ended up five yards down field and Alexander was left dancing behind the line.

 

[Kai's Hero]

Watching the game on Saturday I believe that SA didn't want to play in that game! If you watched the part of the game that Shawn was in he dropped the ball without being touched and then he fumbled a 2nd time. He went to the sidelines and by his own admission said he felt fine during the 2nd quarter. If you watched him during the 2nd half he was running and jumping on the sidelines cheering his team on? Are you doing that if you have a concussion? Is your head coach letting you do that if your concussion is so bad that you can't play in an important playoff game? Something just didn't look right ............

So what are you implying? He just didn't want to play? He doesn't care if his team make it to the superbowl? If its about not wanting to risk injury because of his upcoming "payday", I'd think a superbowl championship would only HELP his cause. Maybe he knows that the Hawks aren't going to resign him so he wants to stick it to them?...interesting. He did look better than most concussed guys. But, I don't know if I could could take it far enough to say he was faking.

I didn't say he was faking. I'm just saying that something didn't look right. His fumble without being touched. The almost "phantom" blow to the head. His demeanor on the sidelines. I'm just asking if anyone thought it didn't look right to them?

Seriously...what fricken game were you watching?He got cranked in the side of the head by a Redskin's knee as he was falling to the ground, that was clear as day.

SA said himself he didn't realize where he was or what was going on until he was back on the bench. He later felt better and said he wanted to go back in the game....BUT THE DOCTORS TOLD HIM HE COULDN'T!!!

ALEXANDER WANTED BACK IN THE GAME, AND IT WAS THE MEDICAL STAFF THAT DIDN'T ALLOW HIM TOO!!!

Thanks for enlightening us!

Well, apparently you are insinuating that Alexander fumbled purposefully and then faked an injury, so I guess maybe it did open your eyes to the awful fishing trip you are putting on here.

Hey Tool Boy ...... Can you read?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Hey Tool Boy ...... Can you read?

Watching the game on Saturday I believe that SA didn't want to play in that game! If you watched the part of the game that Shawn was in he dropped the ball without being touched and then he fumbled a 2nd time. He went to the sidelines and by his own admission said he felt fine during the 2nd quarter. If you watched him during the 2nd half he was running and jumping on the sidelines cheering his team on? Are you doing that if you have a concussion? Is your head coach letting you do that if your concussion is so bad that you can't play in an important playoff game? Something just didn't look righ

Ya I read your first post and the title of your thread that said you believed that SHAUN Alexander didn't want to play in the game. Maybe you should go back and read your first post, and you will realize the confusion and the insanity in your comments.You then later indicated that it was a "Phantom" hit which caused the concussion as if something that light could never cause a concussion and he wasn't in fact concussed.

The almost "phantom" blow to the head.

There is no confusion on my part at all, as I am only reading the garbage that you are spewing.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

He was pretty sick before the concussion. Bad sore throat, "emptied out the mdeicine cabinet" acc. to ESPN

 

[Sinrman]

So let me get this straight...the NFL MVP, in a home playoff game, having just won the rushing title and all-time TD mark, didn't want to play in a game so he fumbled intentionally and faked a concussion?

AgreedWeak...

 

[cstu]

He was pretty sick before the concussion. Bad sore throat, "emptied out the mdeicine cabinet" acc. to ESPN

 

[seahawk 17]

When he went out of the game, I said, "If Seattle wins this game without him, he will have just lost a lot of negoitiating power."Seahawks O-line can make several players look good.

 

[toxicbees]

One thing they always say about concussions is that you feel drunk after. Madden said once, "There's something about a concussion that the guy comes out smiling after it." That explains why he was giddy as a school girl on the sidelines after Hasselbeck ran it in for a TD.I definitely think the Seahawks did the right thing. Putting a player in after a concussion is not a wise decision.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

To me I think the topic has not considered what it is like to have a concussion. As you can see by some of my posts, I've had a few and they are not fun. Alexander felt "disoriented" and "strange" and the medical folks said that he had indeed suffered a minor concussion. I've had one or two minor ones and after 45 minutes you feel ok. You can stand, talk, wave a towel and whatever else. that doesn't mean you jump back into an NFL game though. If I was the NFL MVP and I wanted to go back in, I wouldn't expect my bosses to comply with so much on the line. Why would they risk this? One good hit with a minor concussion turns into increased swelling and the guy could be lost for the year, for a career, forever. There was no reason for the Seahawks to take that chance. Professional football is a violent, fast, and complex sport and to just assume Alexander didn't want to come back in is ridiculous at best. If I were the Seahawks management I would have done the same exact thing and let things play out. I don't think he has anything to prove to anyone here and Seahawk fans aren't taking this angle at all. Call him whatever you like but the guy set the NFL single season TD record this year, rushed for 1800 yards, and was the league MVP. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Traders2001]

So let me get this straight...the NFL MVP, in a home playoff game, having just won the rushing title and all-time TD mark, didn't want to play in a game so he fumbled intentionally and faked a concussion?

He only cares about his own personal goals. Not a team player

Like the MVP last year.

 

[mad sweeney]

Watching the game on Saturday I believe that SA didn't want to play in that game! If you watched the part of the game that Shawn was in he dropped the ball without being touched and then he fumbled a 2nd time. He went to the sidelines and by his own admission said he felt fine during the 2nd quarter. If you watched him during the 2nd half he was running and jumping on the sidelines cheering his team on? Are you doing that if you have a concussion? Is your head coach letting you do that if your concussion is so bad that you can't play in an important playoff game? Something just didn't look right ............

I read an article that he ahd the flu all week and took cold medicine before the game that made himloopy. That would explain the unforced fumble and poor performance plus a stuffed up head would contribute to an easy head wound. However I doubt he faked the injury considering players from both sides waved for help almost immediately.http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-s...ov=ap&type=lgns

towards the end.

 

[B-Deep]

I wish I could see into the hearts of football players on T.V. If only I could know what they were thinking and feeling. That would be cool.

But we can't. That's why we speculate using the evidence we have.

Evidence? Like a quote from the team physician saying he wouldn't be allowed back on the field?

BAH!That means nothing! A physician examined him and said he was concussed, but we have FBGers who can tell from thousands of miles away that it was a fake!

You're a Loooser. Try listening. Simply asking other's opinions as to what they thought of the SA situation Saturday. You can chime out if you don't have anything to add!

something to add...to this thread...HA!!!Thank you, that ridiculous idea that there was anything of substance in this fishing trip has made me laugh. Thanks for bringing a smile to my face.

 

[Kai's Hero]

To me I think the topic has not considered what it is like to have a concussion. As you can see by some of my posts, I've had a few and they are not fun. Alexander felt "disoriented" and "strange" and the medical folks said that he had indeed suffered a minor concussion. I've had one or two minor ones and after 45 minutes you feel ok. You can stand, talk, wave a towel and whatever else. that doesn't mean you jump back into an NFL game though.

If I was the NFL MVP and I wanted to go back in, I wouldn't expect my bosses to comply with so much on the line. Why would they risk this? One good hit with a minor concussion turns into increased swelling and the guy could be lost for the year, for a career, forever. There was no reason for the Seahawks to take that chance. Professional football is a violent, fast, and complex sport and to just assume Alexander didn't want to come back in is ridiculous at best.

If I were the Seahawks management I would have done the same exact thing and let things play out. I don't think he has anything to prove to anyone here and Seahawk fans aren't taking this angle at all. Call him whatever you like but the guy set the NFL single season TD record this year, rushed for 1800 yards, and was the league MVP. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Agreed!

 

[Franknbeans]

So let me get this straight...the NFL MVP, in a home playoff game, having just won the rushing title and all-time TD mark, didn't want to play in a game so he fumbled intentionally and faked a concussion?

Maybe I'm reading him wrong, but I thought he was saying that after leaving with an injury he could have easily returned but didn't, not that he faked an injury to get out of the game.

Meanhwile, I read that he said he didn't know where he was for about 20 minutes. Doesn't sound like he just shook it off.

 

[B-Deep]

So let me get this straight...the NFL MVP, in a home playoff game, having just won the rushing title and all-time TD mark, didn't want to play in a game so he fumbled intentionally and faked a concussion?

Maybe I'm reading him wrong, but I thought he was saying that after leaving with an injury he could have easily returned but didn't, not that he faked an injury to get out of the game.

Meanhwile, I read that he said he didn't know where he was for about 20 minutes. Doesn't sound like he just shook it off.

Please don't confuse the people in this thread with anything resembling reallity, please stick only to outlandish claims that Alexander and the team doctor conspired to get him out of the game because he is lazy/soft/scared.TIA!

 

[Franknbeans]

Sorry but I can't do it. Alexander is the MAN!-- Shaun Alexander Expects to Play in NFC Championship Game --Mon Jan 16, 2006 --from FFMastermind.comAP reports Seattle Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander (concussion) expects to play in the NFC championship game against the Carolina Panthers. Two days after a concussion knocked him out of Seattle's playoff win over Washington, a smiling Alexander was looking and feeling better, talking optimistically about being ready to play the Panthers on Sunday. But when someone asked if he felt as good as he looked, the NFL MVP wouldn't go that far. "Um, no," Alexander said, jokingly running his hand against the side of his shaved head. "I wish.... We've got to wait and see. But it looks pretty good," is what Alexander said doctors told him after he passed more of their tests Monday." Alexander was hurt in the first quarter of Seattle's 20-10 playoff win over the Redskins. Seattle HC Mike Holmgren said game film appeared to show Washington OLB LaVar Arrington hit Alexander in the side of his helmet with a knee. Alexander said he believed he was hit in the back of head, near his neck. Alexander spent about a half hour after the hit seated on Seattle's bench wearing a team coat with the hood pulled up and rarely interacting with anyone. By the second half, he was leading the cheers for his top-seeded team. He said he remembers getting hit -- and then nothing until he was sitting by himself on the bench. "I was out for about 20 minutes," Alexander said. "For about 20 minutes there, I didn't know if I was me ... or if I was playing against the Auburn Tigers." Alexander said this was the second time he's had a concussion.

 

[ren hoek]

No pissing in the Shark Pool.

Seriously, why do people post threads like this? I guess there's an extreme outside shot that this was a legitimate topic to bring up, but my bet is that it's not. Assuming that that's what this is, an outlandish claim to stir #### up, why would someone even bother with such a fishing trip? I can't see the fascination with posting inane crap, unless you're some sort of attention whore. I don't plan on even posting in threads like this hereforth, and I suggest anyone who reads this does the same.

 

[Mr. Anonymous]

That means nothing! A physician examined him and said he was concussed, but we have  FBGers who can tell from thousands of miles away that it was a fake!

Like I said, being able to deduce this from his facial expressions and mannerisms on the sideline would be cool. Maybe some mind reading mixed in too. That would rock.

Can you name another player who was knocked out of a game with a concussion who later, during the same game, was waving a towel, jumping up and down, and otherwise celebrating with his teammates? Take your time.

Damn! My computer crashed last year, taking with it my collection of film clips of concussed players on the sidelines for the rest of the game. (Since this required me to save film of the whole rest of the game for all players, you can imagine that this took up most of the hard drive.)I don't remember seeing anyone else jumping up and down on the sideline, cheering his team as it moved to the conference championship. But I only watched them about once a year so I may have forgotten.

You would think with my collection that I would have carefully watched Shaun the rest of the game on the sidelines, given my interest in such things. But, alas, I lost heart after losing my collection.

So, not paying attention, I just assumed that Shaun was hurt; that the doctor said he couldn't go back in; that at best they weren't going to put him back in unless it was really necessary; and that Shaun had very little to do with the decision as to whether he should go back into the game or not, after being knocked out. If I'd seen him jumping and laughing, I would have assumed that he was feeling better but that the authorities had not decided to risk putting him back in.

But with the sharp eyes in the Shark Pool, I now know to trade SA immediately, given his heretofore unknown shirking and softness qualities. Thanks!

 

[nygiants56]

So let me get this straight...the NFL MVP, in a home playoff game, having just won the rushing title and all-time TD mark, didn't want to play in a game so he fumbled intentionally and faked a concussion?

He only cares about his own personal goals. Not a team player

true dat! lol..probalby didn't want to go the Drew Brees route and break or seperate something...he is an unrestricted free agent at year's end..hurts his value BIG TIME if he blows a knee or tears a quad..he is due to a make blockbuster $$ either in seattle or elsewhere..

steve smith said last year that he would have rehabbed and tried to get back on the field ASAP but if they weren't going to contend for a playoff spot, he'll just shut it down, as he put it..he went on to say he didn't want to get hurt in a meaningless game..

not so sure Joe Horn wasn't ducking the starting lienup this year,either..is he a free agent now, too??

Roger Clemens has asked out of MANY a playoff game (NY Yankees), with quirky injuries, whats up with that?!?! its all about the $$ with this guy,too...

so yeah, it does happen that players bow out of big games for whatever reason...

on the flip side, you've got bums like Yancey Thigpen and Antonio Freeman and Neil O'Donnell (NYJ) that sign mega contracts with other teams once they become free agents, and never duplicate previous success/stats/numbers..they got the big pay day, now they'll just take it easy and count the mula..happens ALL THE TIME...

I'm not saying SA did duck the game, he probably was genuinely hurt...

I'm only saying that he very well could have..in this day and age of greedy athletes, you just never know..

 

[redman]

That means nothing! A physician examined him and said he was concussed, but we have  FBGers who can tell from thousands of miles away that it was a fake!

Like I said, being able to deduce this from his facial expressions and mannerisms on the sideline would be cool. Maybe some mind reading mixed in too. That would rock.

Can you name another player who was knocked out of a game with a concussion who later, during the same game, was waving a towel, jumping up and down, and otherwise celebrating with his teammates? Take your time.

Damn! My computer crashed last year, taking with it my collection of film clips of concussed players on the sidelines for the rest of the game. (Since this required me to save film of the whole rest of the game for all players, you can imagine that this took up most of the hard drive.)I don't remember seeing anyone else jumping up and down on the sideline, cheering his team as it moved to the conference championship. But I only watched them about once a year so I may have forgotten.

You would think with my collection that I would have carefully watched Shaun the rest of the game on the sidelines, given my interest in such things. But, alas, I lost heart after losing my collection.

So, not paying attention, I just assumed that Shaun was hurt; that the doctor said he couldn't go back in; that at best they weren't going to put him back in unless it was really necessary; and that Shaun had very little to do with the decision as to whether he should go back into the game or not, after being knocked out. If I'd seen him jumping and laughing, I would have assumed that he was feeling better but that the authorities had not decided to risk putting him back in.

But with the sharp eyes in the Shark Pool, I now know to trade SA immediately, given his heretofore unknown shirking and softness qualities. Thanks!

In other words, your answer is "No, I can't think of a single example, redman."

 

[Trap Play]

-- Alexander Wouldn't Mind Playing for Carolina --Thu Jan 19, 2006 --from FFMastermind.comThe Charlotte Observer reports Seattle Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander let it slip that he wouldn't mind playing for the Panthers. Alexander can become a free agent after the season. The Panthers could be in the market for a running back next season. But Alexander is likely to command huge money and the Panthers already have nearly $97 million committed toward a salary cap that's likely to be about $92 million.

I think this comment by Alexander is a prime example of why threads such as this one start. Afterall, want kind of idiot does it take to say that you would like to play for the Carolina Panthers just days before you play them in the NFC Championship Game. Sorry, but I'm buying the "me first' label on this guy...

 

[tarheel23]

-- Alexander Wouldn't Mind Playing for Carolina --

Thu Jan 19, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Charlotte Observer reports Seattle Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander let it slip that he wouldn't mind playing for the Panthers. Alexander can become a free agent after the season. The Panthers could be in the market for a running back next season. But Alexander is likely to command huge money and the Panthers already have nearly $97 million committed toward a salary cap that's likely to be about $92 million.

I think this comment by Alexander is a prime example of why threads such as this one start. Afterall, want kind of idiot does it take to say that you would like to play for the Carolina Panthers just days before you play them in the NFC Championship Game. Sorry, but I'm buying the "me first' label on this guy...

If there is a direct quote from Alexander then blast away but I don't see a direct quote.

 

[B-Deep]

-- Alexander Wouldn't Mind Playing for Carolina --

Thu Jan 19, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Charlotte Observer reports Seattle Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander let it slip that he wouldn't mind playing for the Panthers. Alexander can become a free agent after the season. The Panthers could be in the market for a running back next season. But Alexander is likely to command huge money and the Panthers already have nearly $97 million committed toward a salary cap that's likely to be about $92 million.

I think this comment by Alexander is a prime example of why threads such as this one start. Afterall, want kind of idiot does it take to say that you would like to play for the Carolina Panthers just days before you play them in the NFC Championship Game. Sorry, but I'm buying the "me first' label on this guy...

If there is a direct quote from Alexander then blast away but I don't see a direct quote.

Don't you see, it doesn't matter. This thread is all about bashing Alexander. Let's think about this, if Alexander doesn't want to be in seattle next year (which is not true, he just wants paid) and does want to play for Carolina, then WHY would he fake an injury in a playoff game? Are the shark poolers so much more astute then the Panthers that we would pick up on his "phantom" injury but the Panthers would not? does SA think that faking an injury raises his demand among other teams?The sum total of this thread makes 0 sense

 

[warrior69]

-- Alexander Wouldn't Mind Playing for Carolina --

Thu Jan 19, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

The Charlotte Observer reports Seattle Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander let it slip that he wouldn't mind playing for the Panthers. Alexander can become a free agent after the season. The Panthers could be in the market for a running back next season. But Alexander is likely to command huge money and the Panthers already have nearly $97 million committed toward a salary cap that's likely to be about $92 million.

I think this comment by Alexander is a prime example of why threads such as this one start. Afterall, want kind of idiot does it take to say that you would like to play for the Carolina Panthers just days before you play them in the NFC Championship Game. Sorry, but I'm buying the "me first' label on this guy...

He just saying that so the panthers wont tackle him to hard,he`s hoping they wont want to hurt there next rb

 

[Irish]

Can the league take the MVP from him and give it to Steve Smith. Seattle did not miss a beat without Alexander. Alexander is a product of the system.

 

[tarheel23]

Can the league take the MVP from him and give it to Steve Smith.  Seattle did not miss a beat without Alexander.  Alexander is a product of the system.

So you would give it to a guy that...when he had his five worse games this year, the Panthers were still 4 and 1. Obviously, with the Panthers system, they don't miss a beat when Smith had bad games.This is a team sport. Most players are a product of the system they play within.

 

[ren hoek]

Can the league take the MVP from him and give it to Steve Smith.  Seattle did not miss a beat without Alexander.  Alexander is a product of the system.

So you would give it to a guy that...when he had his five worse games this year, the Panthers were still 4 and 1. Obviously, with the Panthers system, they don't miss a beat when Smith had bad games.This is a team sport. Most players are a product of the system they play within.

Alexander didn't even play. And the Seahawks still won, which clearly proves that the Seahawks really didn't miss very much without Alexander.Steve Smith did play in those games in which the Panthers went 4-1, which means that he could have served as a decoy, or even drawn double coverage to open up everyone else on the Carolina offense. How you can claim Steve Smith, probably the most explosive WR in the game last year, is a product of the system is mind-boggling. Out of curiosity, what were Steve Smith's individual statistics in the 5 games you picked?

 

[tarheel23]

Can the league take the MVP from him and give it to Steve Smith.  Seattle did not miss a beat without Alexander.  Alexander is a product of the system.

So you would give it to a guy that...when he had his five worse games this year, the Panthers were still 4 and 1. Obviously, with the Panthers system, they don't miss a beat when Smith had bad games.This is a team sport. Most players are a product of the system they play within.

Alexander didn't even play. And the Seahawks still won, which clearly proves that the Seahawks really didn't miss very much without Alexander.Steve Smith did play in those games in which the Panthers went 4-1, which means that he could have served as a decoy, or even drawn double coverage to open up everyone else on the Carolina offense. How you can claim Steve Smith, probably the most explosive WR in the game last year, is a product of the system is mind-boggling. Out of curiosity, what were Steve Smith's individual statistics in the 5 games you picked?

The only point I was making is that...to suggest that Alexander is not the MVP because his team won after he got hurt and that he is a product of the system is a bad argument. Alexander is no more the product of the system than Steve Smith is. SS stats from his worst five games this year were:NE: 4 for 34, 0 tds

GB: 2 for 12

NYJ: 3 for 34

BUF: 3 for 22

DAL: 1 for 18

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Every player is a product of the system to a certain degree.If Smith played in San Fran, he wouldn't be near as good in terms of stats, same with Alexander.Smith gets thrown the ball TONS. Alexander has great blocking and great offensive players around him.You also have to look and see that maybe the system is catered to a player's skills as well. Just because the Hawks wonwithout Alexander doesn't mean he is a by product, cause who is to say that the Hawks would have not won by 20 pts if Alexander was playing. IMO, Seattle's O line and system helps Alexander generate the gaudy stats he does, but that Alexander's RB skills are also the perfect fit for Seattle, so its a win-win for both parties.

 

[Jason Wood]

Huh, I guess Shaun decided he felt like trying yesterday...or do the conspiracy theorists want to contend any hard-working RB worth his weight would've had 250 yards rushing and 4 TDs against the Panthers front seven.

 

[Family Matters]

Huh, I guess Shaun decided he felt like trying yesterday...

or do the conspiracy theorists want to contend any hard-working RB worth his weight would've had 250 yards rushing and 4 TDs against the Panthers front seven.

And now they have to go lose to the Steelers. I mean no chance either.

 

[BigTuna]

Huh, I guess Shaun decided he felt like trying yesterday...

or do the conspiracy theorists want to contend any hard-working RB worth his weight would've had 250 yards rushing and 4 TDs against the Panthers front seven.

And now they have to go lose to the Steelers. I mean no chance either.

WOW you already know they outcome??? thanks for sharing that with me, I'm gonna hurry up and morgage my house to put a bet down on your infinite wisdom!!

 

[Family Matters]

Huh, I guess Shaun decided he felt like trying yesterday...

or do the conspiracy theorists want to contend any hard-working RB worth his weight would've had 250 yards rushing and 4 TDs against the Panthers front seven.

And now they have to go lose to the Steelers. I mean no chance either.

WOW you already know they outcome??? thanks for sharing that with me, I'm gonna hurry up and morgage my house to put a bet down on your infinite wisdom!!

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