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I could have had TO but I drafted Chambers (1 Viewer)
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I could have had Moss but I drafted TO, please talk me off the ledge.
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Good call.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells took TO. Let's push them off the ledge!
gruecd
Footballguy
I drafted TO as my #1 WR with the last pick of the 3rd round on Saturday night. IIRC, he was the 12th receiver drafted. In hindsight, I almost wish I would've taken Donald Driver instead.
Anybody think there's a realistic chance he gets cut before the season starts to avoid his whole contract becoming guaranteed?
Anybody think there's a realistic chance he gets cut before the season starts to avoid his whole contract becoming guaranteed?
Ten Yard Fight
Footballguy
At pick 17 I really wanted Johnson, Holt, Smith or Fitz, but all 4 were gone so I happily snapped up Owens. This guy is the biggest headcase in the world, but he's worth it, and I think he'll play.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
At least in Philly, T.O. waited until after one great season to start being an #####. He couldn't even wait until one good game before his true colors surfaced this year. The man has mental issues. That will never change.
Owners of Owens will undoubtedly have a game or two where you will feel like the smartest owner in your league. He is an absolute freak. But all indications are that this will not end well at all, and you better hope you had an amazing draft to make up for the fact that you blew a second rounder on a guy that, most likely, won't play the whole year.
Owners of Owens will undoubtedly have a game or two where you will feel like the smartest owner in your league. He is an absolute freak. But all indications are that this will not end well at all, and you better hope you had an amazing draft to make up for the fact that you blew a second rounder on a guy that, most likely, won't play the whole year.
my man otis
Footballguy
how on earth can you really say this now? there is zero indication that this is even remotely close to happening, pure conjecture at this point and that's it.jones wants this guy on the field, period.
It's a combination of watching the situation closely last year (I was a TO owner AND an Eagles fan) and seeing the signs this year. You are right, Jones wants him on the field, but once the team starts deviding over his antics (which they will), Jones is smart enough, and Parcells will remind him if he isn't, to know that he doesn't want a repeat of what happened in Philly last year.
The fact that Owens is starting his act before even recording a reception yet makes me wonder if his mental problems haven't gotten much worse than they were before.
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Well, I got Harrison, TO, Driver, Housh and Jurevicius in my ten team draft, even without taking a WR til pick #30 (I drafted tenth in a ten team). Housh was still there in the 9th round 
I feel ok with taking a chance on TO with the other receivers I have. I was also able to trade Housh and Vernon Davis for Deshaun Foster to give me Lamont, Caddy and Deshaun as my 3 RBs (have Mike Bell as well). With that squad, I don't think TO is much of a risk for what he could do for me...
I feel ok with taking a chance on TO with the other receivers I have. I was also able to trade Housh and Vernon Davis for Deshaun Foster to give me Lamont, Caddy and Deshaun as my 3 RBs (have Mike Bell as well). With that squad, I don't think TO is much of a risk for what he could do for me...
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I am sorry but having Moss at 7 and Owens at 15 is
twistd
Footballguy
I don't know if TO will make it through four games. There is already major friction with Parcells.
easy like sunday morning
Footballguy
I would take Chambers over TO for sure.
phillzphan
Footballguy
Wow this is a mistake. The season hasn't started yet and you're judging time missed in preseason? Lots of other big name players have done this and they haven't missed a beat. TO is more motivated to train himself than most people in professional sports so I can't imagine he's different.
Missing team meetings isn't a big thing either. So what, he missed a practice meeting when he wasn't even going to go to practice. Maybe his mom was in the hospital or maybe he was smokin a dubey with Drew Rosenhaus and his bro. Who cares. The staff has said its not a big deal, this is just business.
I'm a huge eagles homer but I feel like he will be in the top 5 recievers this year, EASY. Dallas KNEW of his problems. They wouldn't bring him in if they weren't ready. They fined him, he missed some practice with an injury -- big deal. The owners and team are still happy and they will all be just fine.
This dropping TO crap is ridiculous; the cowboys will not get rid of him. He's in for a huge season.
TO>>>>Chambers this year. Chambers has a QB coming off a H.U.G.E. injury. He has never even proven himself. A normal Owens season > Chambers upside season.
Get TO.
Missing team meetings isn't a big thing either. So what, he missed a practice meeting when he wasn't even going to go to practice. Maybe his mom was in the hospital or maybe he was smokin a dubey with Drew Rosenhaus and his bro. Who cares. The staff has said its not a big deal, this is just business.
I'm a huge eagles homer but I feel like he will be in the top 5 recievers this year, EASY. Dallas KNEW of his problems. They wouldn't bring him in if they weren't ready. They fined him, he missed some practice with an injury -- big deal. The owners and team are still happy and they will all be just fine.
This dropping TO crap is ridiculous; the cowboys will not get rid of him. He's in for a huge season.
TO>>>>Chambers this year. Chambers has a QB coming off a H.U.G.E. injury. He has never even proven himself. A normal Owens season > Chambers upside season.
Get TO.
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
In round 3 of a12 team redraft (I had#3 pick, already had LT and Holt)) I chose Reggie Wayne over TO, Chambers, and Moss. I think TO when on the field is the best WR in the league but had him last year and don't want to risk it again, especially with him having problems already. His numbers would also take a slight hit in the Cowboy system.
Besides, Reggie Wayne top 5 this year
Besides, Reggie Wayne top 5 this year
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Owens is completely insane, I wouldn't waste a pick on him. He needs to get his head straight. I find it hilarious that the benefactor when he finally blows will be Terry Glenn, former headcase turned model citizen. Maybe Terry should sit TO down and give him a talking to.In round 3 of a12 team redraft (I had#3 pick, already had LT and Holt)) I chose Reggie Wayne over TO, Chambers, and Moss. I think TO when on the field is the best WR in the league but had him last year and don't want to risk it again, especially with him having problems already. His numbers would also take a slight hit in the Cowboy system. Besides, Reggie Wayne top 5 this year
Bluestaples
Footballguy
Other than getting injured, what exactley has TO done in this preseason to garner all the hate?
The injury is the first thing. (The MRI was negative)The Tour de France Jersey.Doing full speed sprints and cuts "on his own" next to the Cowboys team practing, when he was too injured to practice.Missing a team meeting.Nothing huge, as a stand alone offense, but when you consider his past, and the fact that most normal human beings would be trying to make a good impression after what Owens did last year, you have major reasons to be concerned if you're a Cowboys fan or Owens owner.
Bluestaples
Footballguy
Other than the injury, I don't see those things as detrimental to his fantasy performance in any way. The team meeting and the fine is a non-issue for anyone in the league other than TO, and the media.If the opportunity had presented itself, I would have taken TO in a second, as I had him as the #1 WR.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
This is all a game. Owens will be ready and healthy by Week 2, if not sooner.Dropping him down to the 12th or 18th best fantasy WR is a HUGE mistake. The guy was top-5 last year (when he played) and there's little evidence to suggest he'll drop out of the top-10 this year.I will agree that, if Owens plays 16 games this year, he will be a top five receiver. I don't think anyone is questioning that.
IM666
Footballguy
I've read every possible conspiracy theory about TO on this board, ranging from the ludicrous, to the plausible, to the laughable.
Will TO be a top receiver? Maybe. Will he be consistent? I would not bet on it.
I see him the same way I see injury prone players like Chris Brown. He could start and light it up. He could just as easily flop.
TO does suffer from a terminal case of Foot-In-Mouth syndrome, but that might not stop him from producing.
I try not to speculate on what has transpired the preseason, I don't know the guy, I don't know the coach. When the season starts and he catches an 80 yard bomb for a TD, all his prior acts may be washed away.
However, in FF it is all about consistency. MIA has a QB that feels jilted, and wants to prove something. This is a good thing for Mr. Chambers.
I would say, ignoring all the media and history, Chambers is still a better pick in this years draft, if for no other reason than the fact he will be on a team that will get him the ball every game.
That is my 2 cents.
Will TO be a top receiver? Maybe. Will he be consistent? I would not bet on it.
I see him the same way I see injury prone players like Chris Brown. He could start and light it up. He could just as easily flop.
TO does suffer from a terminal case of Foot-In-Mouth syndrome, but that might not stop him from producing.
I try not to speculate on what has transpired the preseason, I don't know the guy, I don't know the coach. When the season starts and he catches an 80 yard bomb for a TD, all his prior acts may be washed away.
However, in FF it is all about consistency. MIA has a QB that feels jilted, and wants to prove something. This is a good thing for Mr. Chambers.
I would say, ignoring all the media and history, Chambers is still a better pick in this years draft, if for no other reason than the fact he will be on a team that will get him the ball every game.
That is my 2 cents.
redman
Footballguy
So you're saying the Eagles didn't want this guy on the field? If you haven't learned your lesson about TO by now, then you aren't going to. This is history replaying itself before your eyes, and you're disbelieving what you're seeing.
redman
Footballguy
Fixed. Even more than loving a fabulous Sunday performance, Parcells hates insubordination. This seems to be what's getting lost the most in the TO = talent/value crowd.
my man otis
Footballguy
Nope. That's not what I typed. Reread my post if you have to.
H.K.
Footballguy
Have you read Parcells' book? Awesome insight on how he treats players. TO will be given a ton of rope as long as he justifies it when the games mean something.TO will practice before Week One. He'll do whatever he can to get back in the spotlight when the games mean something. Parcells isn't stupid. TO is his horse, and he'll ride him as far as he can take him.
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my man otis
Footballguy
Might be off topic, but I disagree with this. FF is all about upside.TO at WR10 = upside. Chambers at > WR10 is not upside.
So if TO doesn't pan out you just move on to next year. Big deal.
my man otis
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
He also didn't undermine the team's chemistry or Bill's authority. I agree that Bill will give TO chances that he wouldn't give to backup players, but he will not tolerate people undermining his authority, which is precisely what TO likes to do with both coaches and QB's.
#@%&$!?
Footballguy
TO's upside in Dallas won't be anywhere close to what he did in pass happy Philly. His downside is putting up a few weeks (or more) of zeros. If you draft TO, you'll also need to target a backup higher, or else you'll be starting a scrub a third of the season when TO doesn't play. FF is all about making it to the playoffs.
massraider
Footballguy
Right on. Parcells isn't stupid, and he wants to win right away. He's not going to get into a power move with his best player, there's nothing in it for him. TO has his new deal, he will get himself healthy for the start of the reg. season, and be ready to go.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
TO will play and will play well.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
delusional
Footballguy
I could have had Moss or Chambers but passed for Fitz....
brakeyawself
Footballguy
TO has cooties, pass it around.
zoonation
Footballguy
Link? Every news conference I see with Parcells he says that nothing is an issue. Are you calling him a liar? Do you think that the whole friction thing might be over blown by the media? No, no. That can't be it.
anborn
Footballguy
he's a headcase who can't be counted on to just shutup and do what he's supposed to do.
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Parcells is the Alpha. He is the man of the house. He is from Jersey. He runs that team. If any of you think TO will distract that team, you don't know Parcells.
If Parcells has to ride his ### all year long, he will get what he has to out of TO. With a hard NFC East, no way he doesn't play.
If Parcells has to ride his ### all year long, he will get what he has to out of TO. With a hard NFC East, no way he doesn't play.
