I Don't get most owners (1 Viewer)

[Mr Two Cents]

Zealots League here. What I don't understand are all the 4-9 or even 6-7 teams that do nothing except the rookie draft and expect to have a better record the next year.

It never seems to fail, you have 4 or 5 good teams with active owners in each league and they are the ones that are always at the top or in re-building mode. Making their teams stronger or going from nothing to better.

The rest of the owners pretty much are afraid to do anything cause they refuse to give up a good player but that player will not get them into the playoffs even if he is a stud. A Chris Johnson or Andre Johnston will get you 4 wins but no more if the rest of your team is mediocre.

Why not blow up the team and get draft picks or young players for the future. Why stand pat and keep being a 500 team year after year after year? I just don't get it.

I have a great team but if in a couple of year don't get anywhere will blow it up and start over, love doing that as a challenge. Might even give a a great team to an owner of a last place team to see how long it takes to rebuild.

Most owners don't get it and they frustrate me. You guys that stand pat suck.

 

[D.J.]

Zealots League here. What I don't understand are all the 4-9 or even 6-7 teams that do nothing except the rookie draft and expect to have a better record the next year. It never seems to fail, you have 4 or 5 good teams with active owners in each league and they are the ones that are always at the top or in re-building mode. Making their teams stronger or going from nothing to better.The rest of the owners pretty much are afraid to do anything cause they refuse to give up a good player but that player will not get them into the playoffs even if he is a stud. A Chris Johnson or Andre Johnston will get you 4 wins but no more if the rest of your team is mediocre. Why not blow up the team and get draft picks or young players for the future. Why stand pat and keep being a 500 team year after year after year? I just don't get it. I have a great team but if in a couple of year don't get anywhere will blow it up and start over, love doing that as a challenge. Might even give a a great team to an owner of a last place team to see how long it takes to rebuild. Most owners don't get it and they frustrate me. You guys that stand pat suck.

I think you nailed it. some people are just scared to trade a stud for an unknown or for a couple lesser players. Also, not everyone is engaged enough to make trades, read about free agents, out do the other things that are required to know who is going to be good next year

 

[AmosMoses]

I think you should offer more for Chris or Andre Johnson.

 

[adrenaline]

I'm with you guys. I took a team over in Zealots this year that finished 9th last season, 1st thing I did was trade Brees & Andre Johnson. Now after a slew of FAs, trades & draft picks I have 13 of the players I started with. I also feel like I can compete this season.

 

[mjr]

I took over a last place team this year as a challenge for myself and I've got to say, it's not easy to make moves when you're in such a disadvantaged position. I was more than willing to blow up the roster, but it's like pulling teeth in an attempt to get anything close to a fair trade. A lot of owners want what you've got but they only offer late round rookie draft picks, 38 year old WRs and guys like Kenny Britt, who are just as likely to end up in jail then in the end zone.

I guess the same has to be said of competitive teams too: don't be afraid to make moves and give up a little something for those promising players you want. I built the roster in my sig below by trading away first round rookie draft picks and starting players like Romo, Witten, etc. Not by offering last round rookie picks, players near retirement and borderline waiver wire fodder.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

I think you should offer more for Chris or Andre Johnson.

In the last year I have traded away McFadden, Mike Wallace, Vick, Best, TB Mike and Sidney Rice and a lot of 2011 and some 2012 rookie draft picks. The problem is not that I don't offer enough, the problem is that most owners are too scared to make a move. All of the trades I was able to make were with 4 teams, no one else will make a move.I offer a 3rd and 4th round rookie for a DL (lowest scoring position in league), this was a team that won 4 games last year. The DL guy is not going to make his team any better but rookie draft picks could help rebuild or be used in another trade. Nothing was done.If the roles were reversed I would do that trade or at least try a counter offer. His team will be last in the division again and he will not have extra picks to rebuild with next time around. In another league I offered any 1 of 3 top 10 QBs plus one of my 3 top 6 TEs for some kind of deal. So far have received zero offers. You would think that one of the bottom 4 teams would like to get a chance to get 2 top players, but of course I have received zero offers.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I agree with this from a strategy perspective. But, I also would like to point out....how much fun is it not trading and just staying pat? that is so boring to me and I think the last thing that you should be with fantasy football is bored. Regardless of who you have on your roster, there is stil a luck factor. injuries to studs happen and guys bust for reasons we would have no idea about. If these things happen to you it sucks, but at least you had a good time up until that point. I dont think anyone in the fantasy world has every guy they want on there roster in any single league. I'm always sending offers out there just to see how owners value certain guys. Who knows maybe someone will cut you a deal at some point. You'll never know if you dont try!!

 

[Zimm]

Some guys aren't gamblers and are really afraid to trade. I have offered my share of lopsided trades to certain people in a few leagues of mine just to see if they would even bite (Knowing they wouldn't and got turned down). Some people just don't have the time to really pay attention to it or have lifestyle changes and then make a bad deal and have some smart a to the ss make fun of them and then stop trading.

 

[FUBAR]

not everyone is a FF zealot. Many won't read up as much and they realize they're at an information disadvantage. Because of this, they can be hesitant to trade with someone they know is more informed.

to analogize: If Warren Buffet offered to trade me a few of his stocks for some of mine, I'm probably not biting.

 

[Instinctive]

not everyone is a FF zealot. Many won't read up as much and they realize they're at an information disadvantage. Because of this, they can be hesitant to trade with someone they know is more informed. to analogize: If Warren Buffet offered to trade me a few of his stocks for some of mine, I'm probably not biting.

But you won't offer him a trade of stocks either?

 

[barker132000]

PREACH IT BROTHER!!!

I aim to have fun. So i took over a team this coming season in a dynasty....had Peyton Manning, Addai, Donald Brown, Ced Benson, James Jones, maybe a good TE...some good defense....i traded em all....i wasnt gonna win with that team so why not blow it up and start over...look at me now!! Not good yet.....but man its gonna be fun to watch....heres my team i basically drafted from dealing all the old players. (rosters currently set to 55, slimming down to 34 i think, before season)

QB's

Gabbert, Blaine JAC QB ® - 9

Locker, Jake TEN QB ® - 6

Newton, Cam CAR QB ® - 9

Orton, Kyle DEN QB - 6

Ponder, Christian MIN QB ® - 9

Pryor, Terrelle FA QB ® - -

Young, Vince TEN QB - 6

RB's

Carter, Delone IND RB ® - 11

Finley, Jay CIN RB ® - 7

Helu, Roy WAS RB ® - 5

Ridley, Stevan NEP RB ® - 7

Scott, Da'Rel NYG RB ® - 7

Thomas, Daniel MIA RB ® - 5

Todman, Jordan SDC RB ® - 6

White, Johnny BUF RB ® - 7

Williams, Ricky MIA RB - 5

WR's

Arrington, Adrian NOS WR - 11

Britt, Kenny TEN WR - 6

Brown, Antonio PIT WR - 11

Clayton, Mark STL WR (Q) - 5

Decker, Eric DEN WR - 6

Gettis, David CAR WR - 9

Harris, Dwayne DAL WR ® - 5

Hill, Jason JAC WR - 9

Kerley, Jeremy NYJ WR ® - 8

LaFell, Brandon CAR WR - 9

Nelson, Jordy GBP WR - 8

Paul, Niles WAS WR ® - 5

Pilares, Kealoha CAR WR ® - 9

Price, Taylor NEP WR - 7

Shorts, Cecil JAC WR ® - 9

Thomas, Mike JAC WR - 9

TE's

Cameron, Jordan CLE TE ® - 5

Housler, Robert ARI TE ® - 6

Moeaki, Tony KCC TE - 6

Stocker, Luke TBB TE ® - 8

The Rest

Scobee, Josh JAC PK - 9

Fairley, Nick DET DT ® - 9

Gilberry, Wallace KCC DE - 6

Hood, Evander PIT DE - 11

Idonije, Israel CHI DE - 8

Jackson, Lawrence DET DE - 9

Wilkerson, Muhammad NYJ DE ® - 8

Dent, Akeem ATL LB ® - 8

Hali, Tamba KCC LB - 6

Moats, Arthur BUF LB - 7

Reed, Brooks HOU LB ® - 11

Schofield, O'Brien ARI LB - 6

Wimbley, Kamerion OAK LB - 8

Tillman, Charles CHI CB - 8

Elam, Abram CLE S - 5

Hope, Chris TEN S - 6

Keo, Shiloh HOU S ® - 11

Spievey, Amari DET S - 9

Wright, Major CHI S - 8

 

[JbizzleMan]

A few guys in my league are so attached to their "big name" players that they won't even entertain offers for them. Part of it is that they hate seeing the rich get richer, but they're also happy being in the top 3 picks every year. I guess it makes them feel like they won something?

I have a really good team and have been in the championship round 2 years in a row. (Won last year and this year lost by 4 points) I kind of want to give a rebuilding team a try...

 

[cr8f]

Zealots League here. What I don't understand are all the 4-9 or even 6-7 teams that do nothing except the rookie draft and expect to have a better record the next year. It never seems to fail, you have 4 or 5 good teams with active owners in each league and they are the ones that are always at the top or in re-building mode. Making their teams stronger or going from nothing to better.The rest of the owners pretty much are afraid to do anything cause they refuse to give up a good player but that player will not get them into the playoffs even if he is a stud. A Chris Johnson or Andre Johnston will get you 4 wins but no more if the rest of your team is mediocre. Why not blow up the team and get draft picks or young players for the future. Why stand pat and keep being a 500 team year after year after year? I just don't get it. I have a great team but if in a couple of year don't get anywhere will blow it up and start over, love doing that as a challenge. Might even give a a great team to an owner of a last place team to see how long it takes to rebuild. Most owners don't get it and they frustrate me. You guys that stand pat suck.

Hmmm using the draft to improve your team sounds like the Packers and Steelers. What gets me is owners who think if you don't trade with them (usually low ball offers) you are an uncaring owner.If they don't improve maybe the problem is they aren't good at fantasy. I'm not a fan of trading because I'm not good at haggling but have traded players for picks.I do most of my upgrading through drafts and free agency but am an active owner. I'm just not a gambler as many people who do a lot of trading are.

 

[krsone21]

I think you should offer more for Chris or Andre Johnson.

In the last year I have traded away McFadden, Mike Wallace, Vick, Best, TB Mike and Sidney Rice and a lot of 2011 and some 2012 rookie draft picks. The problem is not that I don't offer enough, the problem is that most owners are too scared to make a move. All of the trades I was able to make were with 4 teams, no one else will make a move.I offer a 3rd and 4th round rookie for a DL (lowest scoring position in league), this was a team that won 4 games last year. The DL guy is not going to make his team any better but rookie draft picks could help rebuild or be used in another trade. Nothing was done.If the roles were reversed I would do that trade or at least try a counter offer. His team will be last in the division again and he will not have extra picks to rebuild with next time around. In another league I offered any 1 of 3 top 10 QBs plus one of my 3 top 6 TEs for some kind of deal. So far have received zero offers. You would think that one of the bottom 4 teams would like to get a chance to get 2 top players, but of course I have received zero offers.

Zealots seems to be that way. In all three my leagues in zealots there always seems to be 3 or 4 teams willing to do wheeling and deeling and then the others are like pulling teeth to get even a reaction from. So they linger in mediocrity always having a pick in the 1-6 range. Sad part is by just doing one or two trades could make a huge difference for some of these teams.

 

[FUBAR]

not everyone is a FF zealot. Many won't read up as much and they realize they're at an information disadvantage. Because of this, they can be hesitant to trade with someone they know is more informed. to analogize: If Warren Buffet offered to trade me a few of his stocks for some of mine, I'm probably not biting.

But you won't offer him a trade of stocks either?

If I'm selling, I'll offer to everyone willing to pay the price but I probably wouldn't make a direct offer to him unless he has something I really want.

 

[KCitons]

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that player quality in fantasy football is based on owner perception. Just because you think the trade is fair or lopsided, doesn't mean the other owner feels the same way.

One of the reasons that I am cautious to blow up a team and start over, is because I try to win every week. I think I owe it to the other owners to put my best team on the field each week. If I'm a .500 team and I can knock a team out of the playoffs in week 13-14, I feel good about it.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Zealots League here. What I don't understand are all the 4-9 or even 6-7 teams that do nothing except the rookie draft and expect to have a better record the next year. It never seems to fail, you have 4 or 5 good teams with active owners in each league and they are the ones that are always at the top or in re-building mode. Making their teams stronger or going from nothing to better.The rest of the owners pretty much are afraid to do anything cause they refuse to give up a good player but that player will not get them into the playoffs even if he is a stud. A Chris Johnson or Andre Johnston will get you 4 wins but no more if the rest of your team is mediocre. Why not blow up the team and get draft picks or young players for the future. Why stand pat and keep being a 500 team year after year after year? I just don't get it. I have a great team but if in a couple of year don't get anywhere will blow it up and start over, love doing that as a challenge. Might even give a a great team to an owner of a last place team to see how long it takes to rebuild. Most owners don't get it and they frustrate me. You guys that stand pat suck.

Hmmm using the draft to improve your team sounds like the Packers and Steelers. What gets me is owners who think if you don't trade with them (usually low ball offers) you are an uncaring owner.If they don't improve maybe the problem is they aren't good at fantasy. I'm not a fan of trading because I'm not good at haggling but have traded players for picks.I do most of my upgrading through drafts and free agency but am an active owner. I'm just not a gambler as many people who do a lot of trading are.

I suck at trades, there are very few if any trade that I have made that I question the second after I push the button to accept it. I am probably on the wrong side of a trade more than half the time, sometimes by a lot. What I am good at is drafting and play the free agent market like a crazy man.I guess my point is that you have to be active in dynasty or there is no point in doing dynasty. Redraft would be better for owners that cannot get involved or stay interested. It still makes no sense to want to stay irrelevant.

 

[doowain]

I get what you are saying here and I agree to an extent. But if it weren't for those teams maybe I finish lower in my leagues.

The world needs garbage men. Not everyone can be a surgeon.

 

[eakfootball]

i got a team like this, and blew it up. But the young players I traded for turned into studs and I barely lost to the best team in the league in the semi final game.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

I get what you are saying here and I agree to an extent. But if it weren't for those teams maybe I finish lower in my leagues. The world needs garbage men. Not everyone can be a surgeon.

Funny Doowain

 

[DawnBTVS]

A lot of owners don't see guys like Chris Johnson or Andre Johnson as bargaining chips to load up on draft picks and just completely overhaul/rebuild their squads. What if the guys they draft all bust? Now they're back at the bottom of the barrel and without a great player. On the flipside also, I know owners who despite finishing 7-7 or 8-6 on the season believe that they are "one player away" from being a perennial playoff contender so if they can just hit on Player X in the rookie draft, why risk a trade and spiraling down? They believe strongly that they can win now with what they have and don't want to risk tampering in a "if it isn't broke, why fix it?" kind of mentality.

Like the poster above me, I'm the kind of owner who is better working FA and the rookie draft so I'll utilize those methods more than trading. The lack of trading doesn't make me an uncaring owner and the "lack" of success record wise may not even reflect that I'm a bad owner per se. Injuries strike, pick ups don't pan out, etc. and that can all contribute to a mediocre to even bad season. I've seen owners with very strong rosters on paper finish with .500 records simply because they had an unlucky schedule and the next season, a key injury or two struck their squad and they again finished around .500.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think he is saying that owners seem content to stand pat with a team that has NO CHANCE of winning a title, and only a marginal chance of getting into the playoffs. These teams tend to stay stuck here because they always end up with like the #5-#7 1st round picks, and pretty much never draft any studs because of it.

Nothing worse than letting a player like Reggie Wayne rot away just to get 1-2 more good years out of HIM, while you are not making the playoffs. Try and get what you can in the way of a younger player and/or draft picks. Cause in 2 years, you will have NOTHING to show for a guy like Wayne, while that player or pick that you dealt for could be a great players for you for a decade.

It's all about if you can compete. I realize FF is pretty unpredictable, but if you see 5-6 teams in your league that are clearly better than you "on paper", those are some pretty long odds to overcome, even if you get lucky and pick up a guy that has a Brandon Lloyd or Foster type season.

 

[fsufan]

some owners are just trade happy, trade just to trade. if an owner pays his fee than he can do what he wants

 

[Longshot88]

I am in 8 dynastys, and in everyone nearly half the owners are scared to death to make a move. I just dont understand this at all. and then there are the owners that just dont respond at all to offer and some just dont check in at all, it seems every year i try to upgrade my leagues to find more competition, and every new league i join there are allways a few that are just not good owners.

IS it even posible to completely fill a league with quality owners?

 

[fsufan]

IS it even posible to completely fill a league with quality owners?

yesmy main dynasty league of 13 years has 10 very active owners. we have had 26 trades so far this offseason. i joined a start up dynasty this year and we had 48 trades during the start up draft

 

[mcd]

Not a big trader myself. There tends to be a reason that I have certain players on my team, usually because I value them more highly than other team owners.

I'm also not a fan of the "never be the guy that makes the first offer" motto that seems to be sweeping over Fantasy Football. I don't respond well to the "I'm interested in "blank" player, what will it take to get him?" I use to ask them to make an offer if interested, & we would dance around for a week. Now I just throw out some absurd combination of players & draft picks that I would like to get for that player.

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team. Fantasy Football is a LOT about luck. My team that went 4-9 while going up against 5 teams top scores of the season, could just as easily be 8-5 next year & make the playoffs. All players go through peaks & valleys during a season, the trick is to not dump your players when they are in a valley.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

 

[ghostguy123]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

I couldngt agree LESS.If your team had Adrian Peterson, and you missed the playoffs last year without suffering injuries, and your team outlook is not all that great after about 2 years...............and you can get something like two top 5 picks and jahvid Best for Peterson...............basically you are an idiot for not moving Peterson

 

[Instinctive]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

I couldngt agree LESS.If your team had Adrian Peterson, and you missed the playoffs last year without suffering injuries, and your team outlook is not all that great after about 2 years...............and you can get something like two top 5 picks and jahvid Best for Peterson...............basically you are an idiot for not moving Peterson

It depends. In that situation, I move Peterson, DWill, Roddy (maybe), AJ (maybe), Wayne - guys who are approaching their drop in trade value, and/or approaching a drop in pure value because they'll be done soon. Guys like Gore too.Because they aren't going to be there in 2 years when you're good. However, studs like LeSean McCoy or Hakeem Nicks? You keep them. Calvin? Fitz? Keep em. All of that goes with the caveat of: unless you get a gigantic overpayment for them.

 

[ghostguy123]

I never said trade a YOUNG stud, lol. Especially a WR

 

[mcd]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

I couldngt agree LESS.If your team had Adrian Peterson, and you missed the playoffs last year without suffering injuries, and your team outlook is not all that great after about 2 years...............and you can get something like two top 5 picks and jahvid Best for Peterson...............basically you are an idiot for not moving Peterson

That's a lot of "ifs". Of course there are situations where it makes since to trade a stud, when you need to fill 3 or 4 spots with even average talent. That probably fits about 10% of all teams, because injuries & random quirks are why a majority of teams have losing records.If you have managed to run your team into the ground, without injuries being a part of it, managed to screw up all your early picks up to that point & have left your team without any type of quality starters in 3 to 4 positions, aaand assume that you will screw up the next 2 seasons of early picks, then by all means, I agree you would be an idiot not to look into trading Peterson.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

I couldngt agree LESS.If your team had Adrian Peterson, and you missed the playoffs last year without suffering injuries, and your team outlook is not all that great after about 2 years...............and you can get something like two top 5 picks and jahvid Best for Peterson...............basically you are an idiot for not moving Peterson

Most people are not honest with the state of their own team.People who have teams that stink that need to sell Reggie Wayne usually want to sell Reggie Wayne at Andre Johnson level compensation too.

 

[Shane Falco]

Just another reason not to play in free leagues

 

[AmosMoses]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

I couldngt agree LESS.If your team had Adrian Peterson, and you missed the playoffs last year without suffering injuries, and your team outlook is not all that great after about 2 years...............and you can get something like two top 5 picks and jahvid Best for Peterson...............basically you are an idiot for not moving Peterson

Most people are not honest with the state of their own team.People who have teams that stink that need to sell Reggie Wayne usually want to sell Reggie Wayne at Andre Johnson level compensation too.

In my experience, I've come across more owners that want to rip off the failing franchise with one stud than the franchise overvaluing the stud. Of course, this can lead some owners to just clamming up and not trading at all since many of the trade offers will be awful. FF leagues that I'm in tend to be predatory though. No one is obligated to trade players. If you get upset at an owner not trading, then offer more. If you don't want to offer more, then I guess then next thing to do is to throw a fit about it on a FF message board. Seems foolish to me though. Suck it up and make a deal with someone else.

 

[kylechoffman]

Here is a rebuild from this offseason in zealots:

1-12 team from 2010 in a zealot league vacated the team. The new guy takes over with the following:

QB - Romo, Big Ben, Henne, Clausen, Whitehurst

RB - R Brown, R Bush, M Bush, Mcknight, Torain

WR - H ward, Sims-walker, L Evans, L moore, and lots of garbage

TE - V Davis and Boss

DL - Docket, freeney, stroud,

LB - Ware, Currey, Wimbley, Burnett

DB - Rhodes, chung, toler, haden, cromartie

Held the 1.1, 2.10, two fourths, a fifth and a sixth.

Traded 1.1 for 1.11 (took helu) and P Hills

Traded romo for 2.4 (T Jones and made the comment glad he fell to him there) and 2.11 (N Fairley)

Traded Big ben, Ford, Jacoby OAK WR; 2011 2.10; His 2012 1st for Bulger and D Bowe

Traded M bush and the 4.1 for M Cassel

Traded R Brown and R Bush for V Young and 4.9 (C Jordan)

Now - assuming everyone else from the above squad not traded is still rostered, he now sits with

QB - Bulger, Cassel, Young

RB - Helu, Hillis, T Jones, Mcknight, Torain

WR - Bowe, and the rest from above

Just bringing this up because there are good ways to rebuild and bad. I will let you all decide which this was.

 

[ghostguy123]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

I couldngt agree LESS.If your team had Adrian Peterson, and you missed the playoffs last year without suffering injuries, and your team outlook is not all that great after about 2 years...............and you can get something like two top 5 picks and jahvid Best for Peterson...............basically you are an idiot for not moving Peterson

That's a lot of "ifs". Of course there are situations where it makes since to trade a stud, when you need to fill 3 or 4 spots with even average talent. That probably fits about 10% of all teams, because injuries & random quirks are why a majority of teams have losing records.If you have managed to run your team into the ground, without injuries being a part of it, managed to screw up all your early picks up to that point & have left your team without any type of quality starters in 3 to 4 positions, aaand assume that you will screw up the next 2 seasons of early picks, then by all means, I agree you would be an idiot not to look into trading Peterson.

No clue if you are agreeing with me here or not. This is pretty much teh situation I am talking about. 10% of teams is a lot. That is 1 or more teams per league per year

 

[jeter23]

Here is a rebuild from this offseason in zealots: 1-12 team from 2010 in a zealot league vacated the team. The new guy takes over with the following:QB - Romo, Big Ben, Henne, Clausen, WhitehurstRB - R Brown, R Bush, M Bush, Mcknight, TorainWR - H ward, Sims-walker, L Evans, L moore, and lots of garbageTE - V Davis and BossDL - Docket, freeney, stroud, LB - Ware, Currey, Wimbley, BurnettDB - Rhodes, chung, toler, haden, cromartieHeld the 1.1, 2.10, two fourths, a fifth and a sixth.Traded 1.1 for 1.11 (took helu) and P Hills Traded romo for 2.4 (T Jones and made the comment glad he fell to him there) and 2.11 (N Fairley)Traded Big ben, Ford, Jacoby OAK WR; 2011 2.10; His 2012 1st for Bulger and D BoweTraded M bush and the 4.1 for M CasselTraded R Brown and R Bush for V Young and 4.9 (C Jordan)Now - assuming everyone else from the above squad not traded is still rostered, he now sits with QB - Bulger, Cassel, YoungRB - Helu, Hillis, T Jones, Mcknight, TorainWR - Bowe, and the rest from aboveJust bringing this up because there are good ways to rebuild and bad. I will let you all decide which this was.

He lost every one of those trades, and gave his 2012 1st. I don't see his plan here.

 

[Jersey35]

Here is a rebuild from this offseason in zealots: 1-12 team from 2010 in a zealot league vacated the team. The new guy takes over with the following:QB - Romo, Big Ben, Henne, Clausen, WhitehurstRB - R Brown, R Bush, M Bush, Mcknight, TorainWR - H ward, Sims-walker, L Evans, L moore, and lots of garbageTE - V Davis and BossDL - Docket, freeney, stroud, LB - Ware, Currey, Wimbley, BurnettDB - Rhodes, chung, toler, haden, cromartieHeld the 1.1, 2.10, two fourths, a fifth and a sixth.Traded 1.1 for 1.11 (took helu) and P Hills Traded romo for 2.4 (T Jones and made the comment glad he fell to him there) and 2.11 (N Fairley)Traded Big ben, Ford, Jacoby OAK WR; 2011 2.10; His 2012 1st for Bulger and D BoweTraded M bush and the 4.1 for M CasselTraded R Brown and R Bush for V Young and 4.9 (C Jordan)Now - assuming everyone else from the above squad not traded is still rostered, he now sits with QB - Bulger, Cassel, YoungRB - Helu, Hillis, T Jones, Mcknight, TorainWR - Bowe, and the rest from aboveJust bringing this up because there are good ways to rebuild and bad. I will let you all decide which this was.

I dislike very nearly every move made here.

 

[Dave Larkin]

I can't stand inactive owners. It's the worst part of fantasy football. I have a rebuilding team and I'm making decent progress with it, but any offers I make are just ignored. It's like people just shut their teams down and say 'wake me up in September'.

 

[identikit]

Here is a rebuild from this offseason in zealots: 1-12 team from 2010 in a zealot league vacated the team. The new guy takes over with the following:QB - Romo, Big Ben, Henne, Clausen, WhitehurstRB - R Brown, R Bush, M Bush, Mcknight, TorainWR - H ward, Sims-walker, L Evans, L moore, and lots of garbageTE - V Davis and BossDL - Docket, freeney, stroud, LB - Ware, Currey, Wimbley, BurnettDB - Rhodes, chung, toler, haden, cromartieHeld the 1.1, 2.10, two fourths, a fifth and a sixth.Traded 1.1 for 1.11 (took helu) and P Hills Traded romo for 2.4 (T Jones and made the comment glad he fell to him there) and 2.11 (N Fairley)Traded Big ben, Ford, Jacoby OAK WR; 2011 2.10; His 2012 1st for Bulger and D BoweTraded M bush and the 4.1 for M CasselTraded R Brown and R Bush for V Young and 4.9 (C Jordan)Now - assuming everyone else from the above squad not traded is still rostered, he now sits with QB - Bulger, Cassel, YoungRB - Helu, Hillis, T Jones, Mcknight, TorainWR - Bowe, and the rest from aboveJust bringing this up because there are good ways to rebuild and bad. I will let you all decide which this was.

He lost every one of those trades, and gave his 2012 1st. I don't see his plan here.

Classic example of thinking that just because you're active and making trades, then you must be improving.

 

[Longshot88]

Just another reason not to play in free leagues

Free or not it doesnt matter, Im in a $100 14 team league and there are 6 owners that are either in active , or scared to deal

 

[Hoosier16]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

I couldngt agree LESS.If your team had Adrian Peterson, and you missed the playoffs last year without suffering injuries, and your team outlook is not all that great after about 2 years...............and you can get something like two top 5 picks and jahvid Best for Peterson...............basically you are an idiot for not moving Peterson

That's a lot of "ifs". Of course there are situations where it makes since to trade a stud, when you need to fill 3 or 4 spots with even average talent. That probably fits about 10% of all teams, because injuries & random quirks are why a majority of teams have losing records.If you have managed to run your team into the ground, without injuries being a part of it, managed to screw up all your early picks up to that point & have left your team without any type of quality starters in 3 to 4 positions, aaand assume that you will screw up the next 2 seasons of early picks, then by all means, I agree you would be an idiot not to look into trading Peterson.

No clue if you are agreeing with me here or not. This is pretty much teh situation I am talking about. 10% of teams is a lot. That is 1 or more teams per league per year

If you have a history of screwing up early picks and assume you are going to continue to screw up early picks, why does it make sense to trade Peterson for more early picks?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Lastly, getting rid of stud players is no way to rebuild a team.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

I couldngt agree LESS.If your team had Adrian Peterson, and you missed the playoffs last year without suffering injuries, and your team outlook is not all that great after about 2 years...............and you can get something like two top 5 picks and jahvid Best for Peterson...............basically you are an idiot for not moving Peterson

There is no way in the world I move Peterson for that package. If I have a player like Peterson, I will get a much better deal than that for him, assuming I am willing to move him. Two picks and a RB2 is not close to enough. You would have to nail one of those picks just to keep your end of the deal above water and nail both to actually win the deal.If he was a couple of years older, it would be different.

 

[Crippler]

One thing that usually amazes me here with these statements is how many silly trades you see done in the dynasty thread and when people list mock drafts, how teams that are already loaded seem to have the 1st and 2nd picks in the draft. Sometimes it is not about inactivity but not having 12 thoughtful owners in the league. There are owners who give away picks all the time and than that pick ends up good.

We just had an owner who used finishing bottom 3, 3 years in a row to turn those picks into good players and was the regular season champ this year. Sometimes patience does pay off. Got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. Trading is not always the best way to improve.

 

[KCitons]

A lot of you are also forgetting there may be other reasons for an owner to deny a trade. Most people play for fun, and most people have a favorite team or player(s). There are some players that I "just like" and it may take a much better offer to get that guy from me than most would consider fair.

 

[Mario Kart]

For those complaining about "those owners". Why are you complaining? If it is a money league, are you not winning money year after year? Isn't that a good thing?

And, for those complaining about others and how "those owners" value their players... maybe it is the complainers that over value their players and thus do not trade often enough for their liking because they are the ones offering bad trades.

Just saying.

 

[THE HITTER]

Here is a rebuild from this offseason in zealots:

1-12 team from 2010 in a zealot league vacated the team. The new guy takes over with the following:

QB - Romo, Big Ben, Henne, Clausen, Whitehurst

RB - R Brown, R Bush, M Bush, Mcknight, Torain

WR - H ward, Sims-walker, L Evans, L moore, and lots of garbage

TE - V Davis and Boss

DL - Docket, freeney, stroud,

LB - Ware, Currey, Wimbley, Burnett

DB - Rhodes, chung, toler, haden, cromartie

Held the 1.1, 2.10, two fourths, a fifth and a sixth.

Traded 1.1 for 1.11 (took helu) and P Hills (I certainly wouldn't have done that, but I can see other's perceived value on it.)

Traded romo for 2.4 (T Jones and made the comment glad he fell to him there) and 2.11 (N Fairley) (See comment #1.)

Traded Big ben, Ford, Jacoby OAK WR; 2011 2.10; His 2012 1st for Bulger and D Bowe (1st big mistake I see here, but I'm higher than most n Ford.)

Traded M bush and the 4.1 for M Cassel (See comment #1)

Traded R Brown and R Bush for V Young and 4.9 (C Jordan) (2nd big mistake I see; could've gotten more IMO.)

Now - assuming everyone else from the above squad not traded is still rostered, he now sits with

QB - Bulger, Cassel, Young (Team was better before the trade IMHO.)

RB - Helu, Hillis, T Jones, Mcknight, Torain (Team was better after the trade IMHO.)

WR - Bowe, and the rest from above (Team was better after the trade IMHO.)

Just bringing this up because there are good ways to rebuild and bad. I will let you all decide which this was.

So offensive starters to begin with...Romo, Brown, Bush, Torain, Ward, MSW, Evans, VDavis

After trades...

Cassel, Hillis, Helu/Torain, TJones, Bowe, Ward, MSW, VDavis

IM - #1)downgraded at QB (I don't think the gap between Romo and Cassel is that much), #2) solidified 1st & 2nd RB (he had NO rb starters in 1st lineup - Hillis & WAS RB better than that, #3) got a #1 WR in Bowe (which he didn't have in the 1st group...PLUS grabbed a potential STUD at DL in Fairley.

All in all, I'm not sure this team isn't better after all. His success will greatly depend on hitting squarely on Fairley and TJones.

 

[Cleat Spike]

Bottom line is dynasty fantasy, your goal should be to really just make the playoffs. Set you goal on that playoff cut date and do what you need to do to meet that. We all know it's anyone's game once in the top 4 or 6 that advance. So you could be only an 8 or 9 win team (if divisions, VPs and league compeition are tight), which most of the time is an average or slightly above average team. That's my main goal and really all you can do in the early go with all the luck and external factors involved with the ff playoffs. Every team should sell out to make that mark and it just gives you a great idea of how hard it is to actually win a FF Championship. A LOT has to fall your way. It's really like the NFL, it's hard and a true accomplishment if you can pull it off. I'm in the patients camp when I rebuild an orphan team I think. Keep a strong core of vets and youngins, cut dead weight, but look 2 years down the line. Make a couple bigger sized trades throughout the year, stock as many young very high upside players with good emerging situations in your pond, work the wire big, know when to drop a large blind bid sum on a player and hope you hit on a few young emerging players that supplement your vets and put you over the mark.

 

[jwb]

While we're on trading and complaining about guys not makiing deals... the perception of you as a trade partner matters.

One time, a trade-happy owner sent me an offer of his rookie first for Julius Jones (which was a decent price for him). I thought it somewhat odd, so I did some looking - I found a little nugget that it looked like he was getting traded to SEA. It became common knowledge a few hours later, of course, but he was clearly trying to "beat" the news. We made the trade anyway (I didn't think much of JJ) but I never forgot it. I realize some would call that a savvy move by that owner - I call it trying to take advantage of breaking info, and will cause me to initially distrust anything sent in the future.

 

[Instinctive]

While we're on trading and complaining about guys not makiing deals... the perception of you as a trade partner matters.One time, a trade-happy owner sent me an offer of his rookie first for Julius Jones (which was a decent price for him). I thought it somewhat odd, so I did some looking - I found a little nugget that it looked like he was getting traded to SEA. It became common knowledge a few hours later, of course, but he was clearly trying to "beat" the news. We made the trade anyway (I didn't think much of JJ) but I never forgot it. I realize some would call that a savvy move by that owner - I call it trying to take advantage of breaking info, and will cause me to initially distrust anything sent in the future.

Kind of a cynical view there.How do you know he didn't just assume you also knew? JJ was about that value no matter where he was around that time, iirc.