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I GUARANTEE a BIG day for LT tonight! (1 Viewer)

FAIL (so far). I just don't see how he can have a big day given how his line is blocking. The defensive line is completely collapsing the offensive line leaving almost no room for LT. LT knows this. He's practically lunging at the line of scrimmage in hopes of getting a few yards.

 
This guy is done. Indy is 24th in the league against the run. He's barely getting 2 yards per carry against them. It isn't just bad blocking. His moves are absent. I honestly thought he'd be good until he hit 30. I guess he slowed down a couple years early.

 
Still he'll get great production w/ his cupcake schedule through the rest of the season... which will cause him to still be drafted high next season.

 
FAIL (so far). I just don't see how he can have a big day given how his line is blocking. The defensive line is completely collapsing the offensive line leaving almost no room for LT. LT knows this. He's practically lunging at the line of scrimmage in hopes of getting a few yards.
This really isn't much of an excuse. LT just isn't the same old LT.
 
You do you realize that EVERYONE who makes a guarantee now is a joke. Joe Willie was the guy who actually went out and beat all odds. You guys make these ridiculous predictions for no apparent reason.

 
i have blindly defended LT all year long and I think its time to face the facts.

I don't think he's completely done, but he's absolutely done as being a fantasy force. His line blocking is weak and that's hurting him a lot, but just watching him tonight and the past few weeks, he no longer has the fire he once had. He doesn't have the nose for the endzone and the desire to try to take every play to the house like he used to. There was one play in particular tonight, a screen pass, where he juked a guy or two and then headed right to the sideline when if he would have cut it back inside he probably could have gained another 20 yards with blockers by his side. ONE Touchdown in the past seven games? Are you f'n kidding me? If LT went a half without a TD in years past, it was news. Now he's gone half the damn season. Their run blocking sucks, their play calling sucks, and he's getting older. It's a sad day for me as I've owned him since 2001 in my keeper league, and I will probably protect him going into next year just for nostalgic sake, but he's not the same player any longer and I don't see him having another year like we used to come to expect from him. Hopefully he proves me wrong, I'm sure a lot of people were saying it about Emmitt when he had 4 TD in 1997 after coming off a year of 15, and then in 98 he bounced back for 15 TD and then 13 more in 99. So there is SOME hope. Hopefully we have that same thing happen with LT, but I am not so sure that's coming. You can look at the schedule all you want and say "He's going to break out this week or he's going to break out in two weeks " but when you don't score on either KC or Indy, and Jacob Hester does, there's problems.

 
I swear it's the Norv Turner jinx.

Probably the nicest guy in the world - and has been brilliant as an OL / OC or whatever - but a head coach he is not. He just seems to have the worst luck ever whether it be injuries or bad bounces or who knows what.

Never owned LT - but he looks the same to me -although I'm sure the toe has really hurt him. Who would have thunk 2 toes and a knee would kill the Chargers.

 
In the few instances he does get a hole, he lacks the burst he used to have. He runs out of bounds when he could get a few yards more, and he gets caught from behind on ankle tackles all the time because he waits too long to make a move. He's only dangerous anymore on a screen where he has room to move, but they don't use that often enough. They need to do that with Sproles more often too.

 
I swear it's the Norv Turner jinx.Probably the nicest guy in the world - and has been brilliant as an OL / OC or whatever - but a head coach he is not. He just seems to have the worst luck ever whether it be injuries or bad bounces or who knows what.
Turner sucks. Head coach, OL, OC, whatever. One of the things bad coaches do is blame their failures on bad luck. Here's another way to look at it--Turner's only success has been when he fell into a situation with multiple Hall of Famers on offense. Pretty much every other stop has been a failure. Hopefully when the Chargers fire him, they do it in a more intelligent way than they did with Schottenheimer (who really got a raw deal), so they have some chance of hiring a coach who's not a failed retread already.I thought LT himself looked pretty good tonight, actually. He made some good cuts and drove a couple of piles. The line is clearly not performing up to its previous level and the offense is fairly stagnant in general. But with Atlanta, Oakland, and Kansas City coming up, you'll probably see pretty good numbers from LT.
 
CalBear said:
I thought LT himself looked pretty good tonight, actually. He made some good cuts and drove a couple of piles. The line is clearly not performing up to its previous level and the offense is fairly stagnant in general. But with Atlanta, Oakland, and Kansas City coming up, you'll probably see pretty good numbers from LT.
It was interesting getting to see LT. A few times I thought "wow thats the LT of old", then realized it was Sproles. He did have some flashes, but that's not LT in his prime. Fact is, his prime is over, and I can see him falling off fairly quick. I still think he holds good value this year, and next. But if you can get top 5 overall type value for him, you're crazy not to deal him. SA went from MVP, to awful awful RB overnight. With the insane number of carries LT has had, the end is indeed coming imho. I also thought him saying mentally his tank was on E, is a red flag.
 
Even when LT caught passes wide open in the flat he looked slow out there.
Like the wide open pass he flat out dropped on 3rd down and killed a drive? He's either lost a step, or the foot/toe deal is really hurting him. Or both. I'd be hard pressed to take him in the first round next year.
 
CalBear said:
I thought LT himself looked pretty good tonight, actually. He made some good cuts and drove a couple of piles. The line is clearly not performing up to its previous level and the offense is fairly stagnant in general. But with Atlanta, Oakland, and Kansas City coming up, you'll probably see pretty good numbers from LT.
It was interesting getting to see LT. A few times I thought "wow thats the LT of old", then realized it was Sproles. He did have some flashes, but that's not LT in his prime. Fact is, his prime is over, and I can see him falling off fairly quick. I still think he holds good value this year, and next. But if you can get top 5 overall type value for him, you're crazy not to deal him. SA went from MVP, to awful awful RB overnight. With the insane number of carries LT has had, the end is indeed coming imho. I also thought him saying mentally his tank was on E, is a red flag.
LT clearly isn't suffering from the same syndrome SA did. He's still getting over 100 total yards a game. He's simply not getting TDs. Right now he's on pace for 1600 total yards and about 7 TDs. Except for Norv denying LT many TDs, he's not far off yardage-wise from last year. He's getting older and has over 3,100 career touches. Yes, he's going to slow down. He simply must. Game plan for this and you won't be disappointed. The truly disconcerting issue here is the lack of red zone opportunities he's received this year. It is hard to see that changing.
 
Even when LT caught passes wide open in the flat he looked slow out there.
Like the wide open pass he flat out dropped on 3rd down and killed a drive? He's either lost a step, or the foot/toe deal is really hurting him. Or both. I'd be hard pressed to take him in the first round next year.
That throw was behind him. And yes he should have made the catch but it was not an easy in the breadbasket ball to catch.I think the toe deal is really bothering him.
 
Does is seem that they always run LT up the middle this year? He never seems to run to the outside (like on a sweep). Maybe it's because he lost a step and just can't beat defenders to the outside anymore but it seems that every running play is up the middle. Now, while it was somewhat effective last night against a horrible run defense, it hasn't really worked well this year. Hence the low ypc average.

 
CalBear said:
Hopefully when the Chargers fire him, they do it in a more intelligent way than they did with Schottenheimer (who really got a raw deal), so they have some chance of hiring a coach who's not a failed retread already.
I'm a big fan, CB, but this isn't accurate. Marty pretty much forced his own ouster with some inexcusable behavior in the off-season. There were plenty of people lining up to take that job, even after every other head coaching job had been filled. Norv was selected because they were already using his offense, he promised to stay faithful to the defense, and AJ wanted to maintain some consistency from the team that went 14-2.
 
Even when LT caught passes wide open in the flat he looked slow out there.
Like the wide open pass he flat out dropped on 3rd down and killed a drive? He's either lost a step, or the foot/toe deal is really hurting him. Or both. I'd be hard pressed to take him in the first round next year.
It happens to everyone. How many drives has TO killed?
Probably 0 yesterday!! Yes it happens to everyone but that one looked BAD. Also that's a bad comparison IMO between a WR and a RB where the completion% on a deep throw is expected to be worse than a dump off to a RB.
 
Even when LT caught passes wide open in the flat he looked slow out there.
Like the wide open pass he flat out dropped on 3rd down and killed a drive? He's either lost a step, or the foot/toe deal is really hurting him. Or both. I'd be hard pressed to take him in the first round next year.
It happens to everyone. How many drives has TO killed?
Probably 0 yesterday!! Yes it happens to everyone but that one looked BAD. Also that's a bad comparison IMO between a WR and a RB where the completion% on a deep throw is expected to be worse than a dump off to a RB.
Have you seen how many short passes TO has dropped?
 
Even when LT caught passes wide open in the flat he looked slow out there.
Like the wide open pass he flat out dropped on 3rd down and killed a drive? He's either lost a step, or the foot/toe deal is really hurting him. Or both. I'd be hard pressed to take him in the first round next year.
It happens to everyone. How many drives has TO killed?
Probably 0 yesterday!! Yes it happens to everyone but that one looked BAD. Also that's a bad comparison IMO between a WR and a RB where the completion% on a deep throw is expected to be worse than a dump off to a RB.
Have you seen how many short passes TO has dropped?
No. Please summarize them and you'll change my mind. Until then I'll stick with my belief that a typical WR is targeted with deeper passes than a typical RB which leads to a naturally lower completion%. BTW I'm not trying to say TO never drops a pass and LT always does, far from it.
 
Even when LT caught passes wide open in the flat he looked slow out there.
Like the wide open pass he flat out dropped on 3rd down and killed a drive? He's either lost a step, or the foot/toe deal is really hurting him. Or both. I'd be hard pressed to take him in the first round next year.
It happens to everyone. How many drives has TO killed?
Probably 0 yesterday!! Yes it happens to everyone but that one looked BAD. Also that's a bad comparison IMO between a WR and a RB where the completion% on a deep throw is expected to be worse than a dump off to a RB.
Have you seen how many short passes TO has dropped?
No. Please summarize them and you'll change my mind. Until then I'll stick with my belief that a typical WR is targeted with deeper passes than a typical RB which leads to a naturally lower completion%. BTW I'm not trying to say TO never drops a pass and LT always does, far from it.
I realize you aren't conjecturing that. However, you are saying that LT's one dropped pass (which was behind him) indicates he's no longer capable.
 
I should have know LT was done as a Fantasy Force when I got the first pick in TWO of my four drafts :lmao:

I mean, I HAD to take him right? :lol:

 
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Even when LT caught passes wide open in the flat he looked slow out there.
Like the wide open pass he flat out dropped on 3rd down and killed a drive? He's either lost a step, or the foot/toe deal is really hurting him. Or both. I'd be hard pressed to take him in the first round next year.
It happens to everyone. How many drives has TO killed?
Probably 0 yesterday!! Yes it happens to everyone but that one looked BAD. Also that's a bad comparison IMO between a WR and a RB where the completion% on a deep throw is expected to be worse than a dump off to a RB.
Have you seen how many short passes TO has dropped?
No. Please summarize them and you'll change my mind. Until then I'll stick with my belief that a typical WR is targeted with deeper passes than a typical RB which leads to a naturally lower completion%. BTW I'm not trying to say TO never drops a pass and LT always does, far from it.
I realize you aren't conjecturing that. However, you are saying that LT's one dropped pass (which was behind him) indicates he's no longer capable.
Good point. I guess I could explain my point better. IMO the pass was not behind LT, rather his body control put him in a bad position to the ball. He saw it coming and was not able to pivot his body successfully which I think is an indictment on the condition of his toe/foot injury. He's lost a step due to what appears to be a painful, nagging injury and he's at the age now where these things don't go away easily, if at all, even with rest.
 
Good point. I guess I could explain my point better. IMO the pass was not behind LT, rather his body control put him in a bad position to the ball. He saw it coming and was not able to pivot his body successfully which I think is an indictment on the condition of his toe/foot injury. He's lost a step due to what appears to be a painful, nagging injury and he's at the age now where these things don't go away easily, if at all, even with rest.
He was clearly frustrated by what happened. His body language also indicates he believes this season is a wash. He's a major part of why that team went from god awful to 14-2. To see it crumble, partly because of his own injuries, in addition to the team moving towards a pass-first mentality has to be pretty hard on him. To me, it almost seems like he's lost a lot of leadership with the team. Norv doesn't trust him in the red zone.He has a lot of miles. That doesn't exclude him from being successful next year. He'll turn 30 at the start of next year. For a RB of his caliber, that isn't an automatic ticket for retirement. It is clear he doesn't have the same moves he did last year, though. He had decent cuts in the first game of the year...then he got injured. It is hard to say whether age, injury or both have affected him. I guess we can only wait until next year to find out.
 
Does is seem that they always run LT up the middle this year? He never seems to run to the outside (like on a sweep). Maybe it's because he lost a step and just can't beat defenders to the outside anymore but it seems that every running play is up the middle. Now, while it was somewhat effective last night against a horrible run defense, it hasn't really worked well this year. Hence the low ypc average.
Put me in the camp that thinks this toe injury is the real issue here. LT cannot make the same decisive cuts he used to make, and that's forcing him to stay inside at times. It's also a big factor on the outside, because as someone pointed out earlier, he's running out of bounds at times when he usually would've cut back.So the question is, does this toe injury impact him long term? Personally, I'd be inclined to buy low. But it really depends on if this toe injury can be fixed. Would surgery fix this? Rest? The off-season?
 

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