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salmonstud
Footballguy
C'mon Man!
Jaws makes me want to find two screwdrivers, not the full sized ones but those little one you use on computers, and heat the tips on my gas stove until they are glowing white hot. When they are ready jam them into my ears and use a rubber mallet to whack them so far in that I will never have to worry about hearing the moronic things that come out of his mouth again. And for good measure he makes me want to pluck my eyes out with a wine bottle opener on the off chance I am in a bar that has him commentating a game and they have closed captioning turned on.
duaneok66
Footballguy
I concur . . .
maninthebox
Footballguy
I was actually just thinking the same exact thing.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
j3r3m3y said:
Tell us how you really feel 
gpthatsme
Footballguy
What are you doing, reading the entire game? Watch the plays then look at the girls, right.... that's bar-football 101... if it's not for you, then you need to find a new bar...j3r3m3y said:
I can if you want, but remember that when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you.j3r3m3y said:
If that's what you think, so be it.
encaitar
Footballguy
I get a little annoyed at Gruden's fawning over nearly every decent player on the field, but he is a refreshing breath of fresh air after the years of torment from Kornheiser, Madden, and Dennis Miller. He and Jaws have differing opinions a lot, but it never seems like they are arguing. Tirico is a good play by play guy and does a good job of leaving the commentary to his fellow booth mates. It isn't the greatest booth ever, but it's decent and that makes it a stark contrast to many other options these days. Too bad it won't last as Gruden's almost guaranteed a coaching job next year.
The Sunday night crew is a million times better.Rodney Harrison or Dungy would be 100x better than Gruden.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
Stop.
Dungy has the social skills of a rock. He's painful to watch. McKay said Dungy was one of the worst interviews he's ever done with a coach. Collinsworth is painful. One of the worst all time. Jaws is getting a little better, but he's still really bad.Gruden and Tirico would be perfect.
I could not imagine listening to the ackwardness of coach Dungy through a whole game. He's as smart as they come, and has awsome insight to what happened, but I think you have it right on, social skills of a rock. Just seems way to rehearsed.Rodney I think should be on the street. He's called at least two players out, Brady and TO, for things that diserved no critisism. Rodney on the otherhand, used HGH while in the NFL. I guess he just pushed my buttons, so anything he has to say is falling on dead ears in my case.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
It is a little funny how Tony Scheffler is considered a "great TE" that no safety can cover. Gruden does go overboard. If he goes back and reads the transcript, he should feel a little embarrased. Sometimes, a journeyman has a good game, it happens. No need to get us all excited about an average player. How many announcers overuse the analogy, "this guy is a tight end, but really he's a wide receiver. he's a mismatch for the linebacker or safety." I can see this cliched analogy appropriate for Gates, Witten, and T Gonzales. To use it on Scheffler is funny.But I like this crew the best because Tirico keeps the team focused on the game. They don't go off on tangents, or tell old war-stories that don't affect the game. Remember Joe Theisman's "I remember when I played so and so" schtik? I did like the early Jaworski day tape, and Gruden busting him a little for his disco style jogging shorts. That was funny. In comparison, last year we had to put up with long in-game interviews with some obscure celebrity to talk about themselves and upcoming movie, and the play-by-play was lost in the shuffle. This is MNF heaven if you ask me. Last year was purgatory.Gruden-Jaws-Tirico...make a dull game watchable, make an exciting game like last nights, fun to watch. Major props to this crew.
sparkky
Footballguy
I like this booth a lot. Jaws and Chuckie are football guys talking football and their passion for the game really comes out. Tirico does a good job keeping up with the game and on focus.
The top brass over there finally got the memo that the viewing audience wants energetic, knowledgeable football guys talking football. if we want comedians we'll watch the comedy channel. if we want sports writers we'll go read their blogs. if we want national news guys we'll go watch the news.
The top brass over there finally got the memo that the viewing audience wants energetic, knowledgeable football guys talking football. if we want comedians we'll watch the comedy channel. if we want sports writers we'll go read their blogs. if we want national news guys we'll go watch the news.
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Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Love Gruden and Tirico. Can't stand Jaws. Funny thing is that I seemed to enjoy Jaws last year. Now that Kornheiser is gone (and not making Jaws seem entertaining) I think Tirico and Gruden could get it done alone. All in all a good product though. MNF is great again...thanks Chucky.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Agreed - this crew is pretty good. Gruden is a huge improvement over Kornheiser & Dennis Miller in that seat before him.
On a side note, not about their announcing skills at all, but I was laughing out loud last night when they showed the old footage of Jaws, and they came back to the shot of the 3 guys in the booth, and Jaws is blabbing on about whatever, and you could tell Gruden & Tirico were trying their best not to laugh at the old-time workout clothes that Jaws was wearing in the clips (and probably the way his pork-sword was bobbling around in them...).
Tirico was biting his lip to keep from laughing....good clip.
On a side note, not about their announcing skills at all, but I was laughing out loud last night when they showed the old footage of Jaws, and they came back to the shot of the 3 guys in the booth, and Jaws is blabbing on about whatever, and you could tell Gruden & Tirico were trying their best not to laugh at the old-time workout clothes that Jaws was wearing in the clips (and probably the way his pork-sword was bobbling around in them...).
Tirico was biting his lip to keep from laughing....good clip.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
agreebest part? No Al Michaels
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Why would anybody dislike Al Michaels?agreebest part? No Al Michaels
Zoomanji
Footballguy
He's obnoxiousHe forgets that he's the play by play guyhe thinks he's the color guyHe's obnoxioushe tries to impress people with his vocabularyhe's still living off his call in the 1980 Olympicshe injects politics into a football gameHe's obnoxiousHe has Kornheiser like comb-over/hair plugsWhy would anybody dislike Al Michaels?agreebest part? No Al Michaels
identikit
Footballguy
An interesting analysis of Gruden thus far on MNF:
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sport..._of_coach_speak
Press Coverage: MNF Booth and the Abundance of Coach Speak
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 Posted By Dan Levy 11:04 AM
Everybody hates coach speak, especially in football. In most cases, coach speak is relegated to a few seconds at halftime, after the game or the mid-week press conference. But as much as we hate it, it comes and goes as quickly as any sound bite. Well, sometimes we get coach speak with enough funny lines to make a beer commercial. But it's gone in 30-seconds or less. Coach speak is fleeting – until it lands inside the booth for a season of Monday Night Football. Jon Gruden is the exact opposite of Tony Kornheiser. Gruden's football intensity rivals Kornheiser's nonchalance for the sport. His knowledge of the game was supposed to add more football to the telecast at the expense of what Kornheiser brought, be it humor or historical context or love of Favrian storylines.
It was obvious after three years that Kornheiser's role in ESPN's Monday Night booth was superfluous at best, bothersome at worst. Six games into the season, in a totally different way, Gruden's role has found the same fate.
Gruden is totally unnecessary. And I blame coach speak.
They've had a lot 'a injuries. They've had injuries to their key players. I'm talking about their 'juice' – their most critical players. LaDainian Tomlinson, where's the finger roll? Look at this guy, one touchdown every game he plays. And Shawne Merriman, they call him Lights Out. The sack dance, the fire and brimstone of Shawne Merriman, they've been lacking that. My three sons called me today and they said, 'dad, is Tomlinson and Merriman playin'?' Boys, you can stay up late tonight. They're going for the Chargers.
Perhaps they should stay up late to study grammar. I understand it's not easy to talk on live television, but this is the standup they can prepare days in advance. Going back to Kornheiser, the pregame opener was the only time he really proved his worth in the booth, with excellent essays discussing the game's storylines. Now we get 'is Tomlinson and Merriman playin'?' But that's coach speak. Who cares if it's grammatically correct? It's the conviction of the statement that matters, right? It turns out, who cares if it's factually correct either:
Well San Diego knows it's a two-possession game. And they have gotta move the ball quickly in position to get either a field goal or a touchdown to give themselves a chance to set up an onside kick. But Philip Rivers has his work cut out for him right now. Denver has not given up a point in the fourth quarter ... all year. Incredible. In-credible.
Incredible, indeed. And wrong. Denver gave up a fourth-quarter touchdown to Cincinnati in the first week of the season that almost cost them a game until their miraculous last-second touchdown. Mike Tirico tried to help Gruden by giving Denver's defensive numbers in the second half of games this year, but the mistake was out there. Coach speak. The information doesn't need to be right, as long as it sounds right. Right?
The biggest problem with Gruden is that, per coach speak, everything is superlative. Darren Sproles is an 'amazing kick returner.' He called Denver running back Correll Buckhalter an 'outstanding receiver.' Buckhalter has less than 100 catches in his nine-year career.
At the end of the game, when Tirico openly apologized to Denver quarterback Kyle Orton for thinking he wouldn't be a good fit with the Broncos (or any team), Gruden chimed in, "You like a guy that wins or throws the ball? This guy's a winner."
Coaches say whatever they think sounds right at the time and Gruden is great at that. When ESPN showed a Ron Jaworski montage of three, five and seven step drops, Jaws lauded the mentoring of legendary coach Sid Gillman with teaching him not just the art of throwing, but also the art of quarterbacking. Gruden had to chime in:
You talk about Sid Gillman, you're talking about a guy who's had a lot of hands in a lot of football. I mean, it's chilling to think that you played for him ... Sid Gillman, what a football coach. Had a chance to meet Don Coryell a few nights ago. All the people that Sid Gillman has touched in this business – it's amazing.
Gruden's performance through six games has been chilling. It's amazing to think about his performance. It's incredible, really. People in the industry talked about how great Gruden would be in the Monday Night booth because he's always been so good on TV as a guest. Yes, because he's a coach. He can smile and say nothing and the media interviewing him will smile and ask nothing back. He has a great personality, as a coach. But he's not a media person, and he's not all that great in the booth. Sure, in 10 years he'd work himself into being one of the best in the game. Then he'd be ready for prime time and Monday Night Football. But by all accounts, Gruden is headed back to the sidelines next year. It doesn't matter how good Gruden gets in the next 10 weeks at calling games, he's still going to fall back into the same old coach speak.
And that's because he's a coach. Matt Millen is waiting in the pregame wings to take over for Gruden as soon as the Redskins, Panthers, Rams or one of a host of teams looking for new coaches next year hires him. Here's a pre-emptive plea to ESPN. There's nothing wrong with a two-man booth. Jaws can handle the analysis himself. He's actually quite good, and while he didn't recently coach in the National Football League, that's okay. We're kinda tired of all the coach speak.
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sport..._of_coach_speak
Press Coverage: MNF Booth and the Abundance of Coach Speak
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 Posted By Dan Levy 11:04 AM
Everybody hates coach speak, especially in football. In most cases, coach speak is relegated to a few seconds at halftime, after the game or the mid-week press conference. But as much as we hate it, it comes and goes as quickly as any sound bite. Well, sometimes we get coach speak with enough funny lines to make a beer commercial. But it's gone in 30-seconds or less. Coach speak is fleeting – until it lands inside the booth for a season of Monday Night Football. Jon Gruden is the exact opposite of Tony Kornheiser. Gruden's football intensity rivals Kornheiser's nonchalance for the sport. His knowledge of the game was supposed to add more football to the telecast at the expense of what Kornheiser brought, be it humor or historical context or love of Favrian storylines.
It was obvious after three years that Kornheiser's role in ESPN's Monday Night booth was superfluous at best, bothersome at worst. Six games into the season, in a totally different way, Gruden's role has found the same fate.
Gruden is totally unnecessary. And I blame coach speak.
They've had a lot 'a injuries. They've had injuries to their key players. I'm talking about their 'juice' – their most critical players. LaDainian Tomlinson, where's the finger roll? Look at this guy, one touchdown every game he plays. And Shawne Merriman, they call him Lights Out. The sack dance, the fire and brimstone of Shawne Merriman, they've been lacking that. My three sons called me today and they said, 'dad, is Tomlinson and Merriman playin'?' Boys, you can stay up late tonight. They're going for the Chargers.
Perhaps they should stay up late to study grammar. I understand it's not easy to talk on live television, but this is the standup they can prepare days in advance. Going back to Kornheiser, the pregame opener was the only time he really proved his worth in the booth, with excellent essays discussing the game's storylines. Now we get 'is Tomlinson and Merriman playin'?' But that's coach speak. Who cares if it's grammatically correct? It's the conviction of the statement that matters, right? It turns out, who cares if it's factually correct either:
Well San Diego knows it's a two-possession game. And they have gotta move the ball quickly in position to get either a field goal or a touchdown to give themselves a chance to set up an onside kick. But Philip Rivers has his work cut out for him right now. Denver has not given up a point in the fourth quarter ... all year. Incredible. In-credible.
Incredible, indeed. And wrong. Denver gave up a fourth-quarter touchdown to Cincinnati in the first week of the season that almost cost them a game until their miraculous last-second touchdown. Mike Tirico tried to help Gruden by giving Denver's defensive numbers in the second half of games this year, but the mistake was out there. Coach speak. The information doesn't need to be right, as long as it sounds right. Right?
The biggest problem with Gruden is that, per coach speak, everything is superlative. Darren Sproles is an 'amazing kick returner.' He called Denver running back Correll Buckhalter an 'outstanding receiver.' Buckhalter has less than 100 catches in his nine-year career.
At the end of the game, when Tirico openly apologized to Denver quarterback Kyle Orton for thinking he wouldn't be a good fit with the Broncos (or any team), Gruden chimed in, "You like a guy that wins or throws the ball? This guy's a winner."
Coaches say whatever they think sounds right at the time and Gruden is great at that. When ESPN showed a Ron Jaworski montage of three, five and seven step drops, Jaws lauded the mentoring of legendary coach Sid Gillman with teaching him not just the art of throwing, but also the art of quarterbacking. Gruden had to chime in:
You talk about Sid Gillman, you're talking about a guy who's had a lot of hands in a lot of football. I mean, it's chilling to think that you played for him ... Sid Gillman, what a football coach. Had a chance to meet Don Coryell a few nights ago. All the people that Sid Gillman has touched in this business – it's amazing.
Gruden's performance through six games has been chilling. It's amazing to think about his performance. It's incredible, really. People in the industry talked about how great Gruden would be in the Monday Night booth because he's always been so good on TV as a guest. Yes, because he's a coach. He can smile and say nothing and the media interviewing him will smile and ask nothing back. He has a great personality, as a coach. But he's not a media person, and he's not all that great in the booth. Sure, in 10 years he'd work himself into being one of the best in the game. Then he'd be ready for prime time and Monday Night Football. But by all accounts, Gruden is headed back to the sidelines next year. It doesn't matter how good Gruden gets in the next 10 weeks at calling games, he's still going to fall back into the same old coach speak.
And that's because he's a coach. Matt Millen is waiting in the pregame wings to take over for Gruden as soon as the Redskins, Panthers, Rams or one of a host of teams looking for new coaches next year hires him. Here's a pre-emptive plea to ESPN. There's nothing wrong with a two-man booth. Jaws can handle the analysis himself. He's actually quite good, and while he didn't recently coach in the National Football League, that's okay. We're kinda tired of all the coach speak.
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footballnerd
Footballguy
Noticing this may mean more than a Bro-mance, bro.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
I've honestly never thought any of those things while watching an Al Michales broadcast. In fact, I would consider him the best in the business. To each his own, I suppose.He's obnoxiousHe forgets that he's the play by play guyhe thinks he's the color guyHe's obnoxioushe tries to impress people with his vocabularyhe's still living off his call in the 1980 Olympicshe injects politics into a football gameHe's obnoxiousHe has Kornheiser like comb-over/hair plugsWhy would anybody dislike Al Michaels?agreebest part? No Al Michaels
gpthatsme
Footballguy
all right, all right... I'll admit, bro-mance might have been a little strong but I knew it would increase the views so I did it anyway...
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Agreed Tirico is awful. he can't say a players name without mentioning the college he came from.Your Mom said:
identikit
Footballguy
100% agree. One of the most egotistical buys in broadcasting.He's obnoxiousHe forgets that he's the play by play guyhe thinks he's the color guyHe's obnoxioushe tries to impress people with his vocabularyhe's still living off his call in the 1980 Olympicshe injects politics into a football gameHe's obnoxiousHe has Kornheiser like comb-over/hair plugsWhy would anybody dislike Al Michaels?agreebest part? No Al Michaels
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Good God, Man, it's a football broadcast. Not the recitation of War in Peace in French-Romanian for the benefit of cure-for-cancer charities. The sporting news must be bored.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
I guess you enjoy people talking down to you in a condescending tone?To each his own I supposeI've honestly never thought any of those things while watching an Al Michales broadcast. In fact, I would consider him the best in the business. To each his own, I suppose.He's obnoxiousHe forgets that he's the play by play guyhe thinks he's the color guyHe's obnoxioushe tries to impress people with his vocabularyhe's still living off his call in the 1980 Olympicshe injects politics into a football gameHe's obnoxiousHe has Kornheiser like comb-over/hair plugsWhy would anybody dislike Al Michaels?agreebest part? No Al Michaels
TheRingLeader$
Footballguy
I agree. And when I listen to night games on my way to work on radio provided by CBS' Westwood NFL broadcasts James Lofton is a brilliant mind to listen to. Half the time that I have heard him predict the development of a play before it happens after a team makes personel changes on offense. A couple of examples: A deep bomb to Johnny Knox after he entered the game when the Bears were playing, when I had never heard of the dude. And he also recognized where an open Colts receiver would be when they displayed a certain formation. Sure enough as the play developed, Manning hit an open WR right where Lofton said he would be.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Kinda like you just did? See, what I mean by 'to each his own' was 'agree to disagree.' It wasn't an insult and I don't really care to debate it. I could care less if you don't understand the words Michaels uses or have something against balding men.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
I'd say for the most part, that I enjoy the national radio broadcasts more than the TV broadcasts. I love Marv and Boomer on the Westward games. To me it's mostly bringing the game to me with a small and tolerable amount of entertainment mixed in.
Gruden was OK the first few weeks. However, I am now constantly distracted by his use of the words..."GUY" and "DAT GUY."
Jaws knows his stuff, but comes off as a know-it-all. He defines dorkiness.
And, how about less film taken decades ago. Between the Favre footage and seeing Jaws take dropbacks in extremely tight shorts, revealing his bed flute to the world, it makes me want to :X
Jaws knows his stuff, but comes off as a know-it-all. He defines dorkiness.
And, how about less film taken decades ago. Between the Favre footage and seeing Jaws take dropbacks in extremely tight shorts, revealing his bed flute to the world, it makes me want to :X
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
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