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I just got hosed! (1 Viewer)

RowdyDude

RowdyDude

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At the end of last year we agreed that there would be scoring and rules changes ( i have the email ) Today majority decided not only to change scoring and rules but also the number of keepers and league size as well.

we went from 3 keepers and 10 teams to 2 keepers and 12 Teams

Here is what peeves me during the offseason i traded LJ for owens and Bush with the intention of keeping Owens, Bush and Westbrook (already on team) Now i complained (agressively) with the intention of staying in the league but i wanted some validation that i was getting hosed . He took the idea that i was just being an ####. He decided i could stay in the league this year but would not be invited back next year oh and by the way the entry fee is now 75 dollars and not 50

Now that i look at it i realize that there are only a few teams in the league with 3 ligitimate keepers (oh btw i traded him LJ and he only has LJ and Alexander to keep) and im thinking of dropping out now (i havent paid yet) I have played in this league for 8 years and i would be ruining the season for everyone else.

Can i get any love from the shark pool?

Am i getting hosed ?

 
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You got hosed. Those kinds of changes should be make at least a year in advance. Owners draft and trade based on keepers, draft order, etc.

I would leave the league.

 
It's very bad form to change keeper-related rules in August right before a draft. My opinion is that any rules changes of this type should only be go into effect for the 2008 season (i.e., the next season). And to me it's a no brainer.

This situation is clearly not of this significance, but it's similar to having no keepers in a league and drafting accordingly. Then, in August of the following year, deciding to make it a keeper league. It can't be done because it changes how people would behave and the decisions they would make.

Now there is another option available to you. I'm all for sticking to principles. And I would protest if I was in your position. However, if you still like your team, why not stay in the league and beat them. Nothing would be sweeter!

 
Major changes to the structure of the league should take effect the following year/season, not immediately. This sort of thing would make me go a little snakey too.

You basically traded LJ for Bush, or LJ for Owens. If they had given you a full year in advance like a properly run league would do, there is no way you make that trade. Tell the league you are still in and bail out on draft nite. Give them no warning, see how they like it.

 
I agree that significant rule changes that affect decisions that have already been made should be given a year's advance notice.

But I'll also add, there's nothing wrong with a league deciding on short notice to change the rules significantly like this, so long as there is also unanimous agreement that the change go into effect immediately. If not, then it should get pushed a year off. This is exactly what we did in one of my leagues where we voted in some major changes by our normal 2/3 majority. Most of the league wanted to make the change right away, but not everyone did and so they won't go in until 2008.

 
OCC said:
The commish is an idiot.
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at least you didnt get hosed the 75 like I did in a corrupt league. get away from it! Any scoreing change is bad in a existing league. especially without a notice. Let alone keeper change! plenty of good stable leagues out there! a few corrupt ones too. check the commishes team first. that willt ell you a lot oif its a good league or not!
 
We vote any changes that would effect the season nearly 18 months before they are implemented.

For example, this season in a keeper league, we moved to a FLEX position and 1 pt/rec for WR's and TE's' We voted on that change a year ago February (2006). However, we will be voting at this year draft how to restructure the league payouts for this year.

That said, you are being a crybaby.

 
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just find a replacement

you see it as not having those players. your replacement will see it as having LJ

 
RowdyDude said:
At the end of last year we agreed that there would be scoring and rules changes ( i have the email ) Today majority decided not only to change scoring and rules but also the number of keepers and league size as well.

we went from 3 keepers and 10 teams to 2 keepers and 12 Teams

Here is what peeves me during the offseason i traded LJ for owens and Bush with the intention of keeping Owens, Bush and Westbrook (already on team) Now i complained (agressively) with the intention of staying in the league but i wanted some validation that i was getting hosed . He took the idea that i was just being an ####. He decided i could stay in the league this year but would not be invited back next year oh and by the way the entry fee is now 75 dollars and not 50

Now that i look at it i realize that there are only a few teams in the league with 3 ligitimate keepers (oh btw i traded him LJ and he only has LJ and Alexander to keep) and im thinking of dropping out now (i havent paid yet) I have played in this league for 8 years and i would be ruining the season for everyone else.

Can i get any love from the shark pool?

Am i getting hosed ?
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What a ####### joke - get away from the league ASAP because it's clear the commish is a scumbag.
 
How much class do you have?

You got hosed.

and nothing will be prevent future hosing, heck, they didn't even recognize

The rule of majority and popularity will continue to hose the minority and out of the loop in your league.

Your league and commish are corrupt and/or wishy washy.

What entertainment value are you going to get for you $75.

I would be thrown out of your league in one day, the day of my choosing, but I would make sure I got my $75 worth. If you can't do that, leave.

I've been there. All I've done is present a detailed and valid account at the end. All it cost me was and invitaion I didn't get to laugh at with no answer. I wonder sometimes if I should have done more. My descrete emails to the commish only during the season seem ...not enough in retrospect.

 
Yes: its a highly lame move on the commish to reduce keepers at the last minute in any dynasty formatSince they arent listening to you, tell them one last time you are considering leaving based on the ineptnessDont leave without warning or do something childish, just move onI personally would trade LJ for Bush and Owens, but not if it means losing Westy

Pictus Cat said:
How much class do you have?You got hosed.and nothing will be prevent future hosing, heck, they didn't even recognizeThe rule of majority and popularity will continue to hose the minority and out of the loop in your league.Your league and commish are corrupt and/or wishy washy.What entertainment value are you going to get for you $75.I would be thrown out of your league in one day, the day of my choosing, but I would make sure I got my $75 worth. If you can't do that, leave.I've been there. All I've done is present a detailed and valid account at the end. All it cost me was and invitaion I didn't get to laugh at with no answer. I wonder sometimes if I should have done more. My descrete emails to the commish only during the season seem ...not enough in retrospect.
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I was fully expecting Scoring and Rules changes it was the keeper and league size change i was pissed about --- Im gonna stay And this will be my last year I have played in this league for 8 years and 2 of my good friend (btw the 3 of us wanted the keeper and league change for next year and got vetoed) are in this league and this is their only league so i wont ruin it for them. Im in 4 other league so I will set my roster and leave it then exit quitely .

Again tanks for all the support i thought it was a pretty bush league movie as well.

 
Another vote for BS. Email your commish this thread. Let him know it's not just you.

It may be a little childish, but if you're not really friends with the guys, I wouldn't show up on draft night, let them taste there own "last minute" changes.

How have you been doing in the league. Sounds like people are tired of losing.

 
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Email your commish this thread. Let him know it's not just you.
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This I'd disagree with. I mean the last thing we need the pool filled up with is everyone's gripes about their league. I'd much rather have answerred his Qs and move on here. Wouldn't you?
 
GoBills02 said:
Another vote for BS. Email your commish this thread. Let him know it's not just you. It may be a little childish, but if you're not really friends with the guys, I wouldn't show up on draft night, let them taste there own "last minute" changes.How have you been doing in the league. Sounds like people are tired of losing.
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I have only won it 3 times but I am constantly in the money.
 
That is complete nonsense. If he wants to make those changes, they should be a year in advance.

Walk away from the league and don't look back. Or, alternatively, if you have good friends in the league, reform another league.

If the commish is reading this thread: you're an idiot.

 
In our league rules, we established that any substantial changes to the league structure (whether it's a keeper league and how many to keep would qualify, # of teams would not) must be voted on at the draft for the year following. (I am commish). In other words, if I want to change next year to have 3 keepers instead of 2, it's decided and codified at the 2007 draft to go into effect for the 2008 season. (Maybe that's the benefit + problem with having a league with half of the owners being lawyers!).

I'd like to see the e-mail and how the changes were left. If they were "we all agree we should do this", but they weren't codified, then you didn't get hosed. If it was definitively left as these are the rules for next year, then you did.

If the latter, I would raise the question as to why the rules were changes. In the legal world, there is a concept of "reliance" - if you act in reliance of a particular statement/fact/new rule/whatever, and the other party changes that position, then you can still enforce the original contract if you did certain things in reliance of that fact. IN this case, your trade was made in reliance of the change in rules.

But again, it all gets back to how definitive the rule change was made in that e-mail. Everyone in the league saying they liked a particular change does not mean it was affirmatively adopted as a new rule.

 
Jack Burton said:
Major changes to the structure of the league should take effect the following year/season, not immediately. This sort of thing would make me go a little snakey too. You basically traded LJ for Bush, or LJ for Owens. If they had given you a full year in advance like a properly run league would do, there is no way you make that trade. Tell the league you are still in and bail out on draft nite. Give them no warning, see how they like it.
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Yes, I completely agree. Some would say to take the high road and gracefully exit. These pathetic rubes obviously can't tell their ### from a hole in the ground and must be taught a lesson. Trade Westy to the guy that the commish hates the most for a draft pick and take the above approach. Make absolutely sure they will be caught unaware.
 
Sorry to hear about your current experience. You are getting hosed by last minute rule changes being promoted by a majority. My approach would be to decide whether I'd be willing to suck it up, pay $75, and continue to play in this unstable league (not very likely) - or - I'd trade Bush, Owens and Westbrook to some owner(s) that you like for some garbage players and then leave the ugly roster behind (nah, I wouldn't do that :wall: ). I had a similar experience with a commissioner who just didn't get it and after failing to fix things with logic and reason, I finally had to leave behind a powerhouse dynasty team to be purchased by some lucky replacement owner.

 
If I'm reading this right, he's saying that you're getting kicked out next year no matter what. He's only allowing you to stay this year.

If that's true, you're done anyway. You don't care about your keepers because you won't even be playing in 2008. How can you play in a keeper league knowing you're not playing the next year?

I don't think you owe this league anything. In fact, you're being asked to pay $75 to get used since it's late in the game. You're a true sucker if you go for this. Drop out and let them deal with it. If they're friends, they'll understand that what they were doing was wrong.

 
freeannyong said:
Addai said:
That said, you are being a crybaby.
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WTF are you smoking? He made trades based on the fact that he can keep 3 players and they change it a week before the draft? He is not being a crybaby he is getting it stuck to him by the commish.
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He is being a crybaby because its just a game. A hobby. It' really not that important. If you're not having fun, for whatever reason, quit, but don't take the fun out of it for the others. Relax a little.
 
Addai said:
He is being a crybaby because its just a game. A hobby. It' really not that important. If you're not having fun, for whatever reason, quit, but don't take the fun out of it for the others. Relax a little.
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He put eight years into the league. He's hardly being a "crybaby" or taking the fun out of it for others. He has a legitimate gripe.
 
So, you are getting booted next year by the league? Sounds like the perfect scenario to tank the season and leave your team in shambles for the next sucker they will hose over. Subtle deals that won't get vetoed are in order for you this year. Trade your 1st round pick next year to the team of your choice. Draft a good team, then trade it away, piece by piece. Make sure you leave no worthy keepers, and no picks in the first 5 or so rounds next year. Become a complete ##### during the season by submitting good lineups, then bad ones. Do whatever you can to force the commish into a heart attack. Yes, it is quite easy to ruin an entire league. The rule change alone means this league already sucks.

 
Rarely ever ....... ever, ever, ever, ever would I say something like this but:

Don't tell them you're not participating this year and then just don't show up to the draft. When they call your house phone, cell phone, work phone, etc. incessentaly looking for you, just say, "Yeah. Last minute decision. I decided not to participate this year."

The whole situation is the suck. Like someone else said earlier, this would mean you essentially traded LJ for Bush or LJ for Owens. Two trades you would have never made if this new rule was in place. And, it was the commissioner you traded with, correct? So this blowhard knew you were only making this deal for its keeper implications and he totally f.cked you royaly.

You're a better man then me for not punching him in his fat face infront of his wife and kids. :lmao:

 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
If I'm reading this right, he's saying that you're getting kicked out next year no matter what. He's only allowing you to stay this year.If that's true, you're done anyway. You don't care about your keepers because you won't even be playing in 2008. How can you play in a keeper league knowing you're not playing the next year?I don't think you owe this league anything. In fact, you're being asked to pay $75 to get used since it's late in the game. You're a true sucker if you go for this. Drop out and let them deal with it. If they're friends, they'll understand that what they were doing was wrong.
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:lmao: I can't believe the commish has the nerve to say you can play this year but then you're kicked out -- like he is doing you a favor! I like the suggestion of letting everyone think you are in this season and then just not show up for the draft. Nothing is worse than having a team owner missing at the draft. I normally don't go for this kind of childish behavior but you are getting royally hosed and the commish is being a richard.
 
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Neil Beaufort Zod said:
If I'm reading this right, he's saying that you're getting kicked out next year no matter what. He's only allowing you to stay this year.If that's true, you're done anyway. You don't care about your keepers because you won't even be playing in 2008. How can you play in a keeper league knowing you're not playing the next year?I don't think you owe this league anything. In fact, you're being asked to pay $75 to get used since it's late in the game. You're a true sucker if you go for this. Drop out and let them deal with it. If they're friends, they'll understand that what they were doing was wrong.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Normally, I'd say if you enjoy the league and/or have friends in it and it has some value, then just roll with it. But the fact that YOU are getting kicked out next year no matter what shows absolutely no class on their part and I'd absolutely leave the league. Whether or not you bail on draft day with no notice or trade off your studs is up to you, but I wouldn't lose sleep on it either way. But I gotta agree that if you pay the $75 to play this last year when you're gonna be booted, sucker is the nicest word I can think of. You don't owe your friends in that league anything after the way you're being treated. They should completely understand and probably leave too. Start a new league with them if need be.
 
Not to mention that almost any trade you even try for will be heavily scrutinized and likely not allowed. Or to mention that if you happen to win, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't see a payout with the way you're being treated. I don't see how you could seriously pony up $75 to pay in this league with what you were told. Not showing up for draft day and "changing your mind at the last minute" is a perfect solution I think.

 
You got hosed, period.

But considering the fact that you will not be asked back next year, and that you haven't paid your money yet, I would make a stink in the league and then leave. You have nothing at stake except for the last 8 years, but no matter what you won't be there next year any way.

 
I would first argue your case that the rule changes should not take effect for one year. If they would not make things right I would walk immediately.

 
I have an old school league where the guy that is the commish will pull stuff like this. The best thing that you can do is kick some tail and watch them just cry in their beer!

 
The commish is screwing up his league by changing keeper rules just before the draft. It really opens the door for cheating since all owners can eyeball everybody's roster at this point and determine what teams benefit and what teams get hurt by the rule change. Team owners have little time to conform their rosters to the "new" rules. Then he has the balls to let you play this season BUT you won't be invited back? Exactly who would you be playing this season for? Your own enjoyment or for the good of a league that has already screwed you.

If you have friends in the league - tell the commish that you are out now. If you don't care about the other guys in the league - Don't say anything - just don't show up at the draft. That has to be the most frustrating thing for everyone else involved.

BTW - I think your commish is an ### AND I don't think you are being a crybaby. It's not like you posted this in your local paper. This is a Fantasy Football forum and it's a Fantasy Football issue. :lmao:

 
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We added to the By Laws that any Rule change involving Scoring can only be discussed, voted on and implemented in June/July. Any 1 League member vote can kill a change. Veto power to all owners.

Changes to non-scoring rules require a vote also, and only be implemented in Off Season (March-July).

Makes it easier.

A Commish who changes the rules just prior to the season starts has something in mind for his personal interest and not the benefit of the league as a whole. Get out while you can.

 
I consider this settled. You're not allowed to throw $75 away on these clowns. End of story.

It's for your own good. Really. You'll thank us later.

 
ICWT10 said:
Don't tell them you're not participating this year and then just don't show up to the draft. When they call your house phone, cell phone, work phone, etc. incessentaly looking for you, just say, "Yeah. Last minute decision. I decided not to participate this year."
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I typically wouldn't agree with this, but given this commissioner's actions, I think he should do this.And when the league is going crazy wondering WTF is going on, just tell them :lmao:
 
Is there any question in anyone's mind that the commish knew about reducing the number of keepers when making the LJ trade - maybe even his idea?

If these really are your friends in the league they would drop out as well.

 
RowdyDude said:
I was fully expecting Scoring and Rules changes it was the keeper and league size change i was pissed about --- Im gonna stay And this will be my last year I have played in this league for 8 years and 2 of my good friend (btw the 3 of us wanted the keeper and league change for next year and got vetoed) are in this league and this is their only league so i wont ruin it for them. Im in 4 other league so I will set my roster and leave it then exit quitely .Again tanks for all the support i thought it was a pretty bush league movie as well.
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:confused: Way to take the high road. Yeah you got hosed at it sucks but way to not ruin things for your buddy's. If there's any justice Bush will outperform LJ this year.
 
Tell the Commish that he can either reverse the trade or you're quitting. He totally hosed you. Do you think that there's any way that he would have allowed this rule to go through if he had Alexander, Owens and Bush? Just tell him that there's no way that you would have made that trade with him if you had known that you could only protect 2 players and that his options are to either reverse the trade or find a new owner.

It's unfortunate that your other friends will have to deal with it, but why would they want to be in a league like that anyway?

 
RowdyDude said:
He decided i could stay in the league this year but would not be invited back next year oh and by the way the entry fee is now 75 dollars and not 50
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F that, he's just using you so he doesn't have to find an 8th on short notice.I wouldn't give that guy another dime, bail out.
 
Sabotage the league. Tell the commish he asked for it by being a complete tool. Call the worst teams(as long as it isn't the commish) and drop your players so they can pick them up. #$%& the commish!!! And of course don't pay.

 
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RowdyDude said:
At the end of last year we agreed that there would be scoring and rules changes ( i have the email ) Today majority decided not only to change scoring and rules but also the number of keepers and league size as well.

we went from 3 keepers and 10 teams to 2 keepers and 12 Teams

Here is what peeves me during the offseason i traded LJ for owens and Bush with the intention of keeping Owens, Bush and Westbrook (already on team) Now i complained (agressively) with the intention of staying in the league but i wanted some validation that i was getting hosed . He took the idea that i was just being an ####. He decided i could stay in the league this year but would not be invited back next year oh and by the way the entry fee is now 75 dollars and not 50

Now that i look at it i realize that there are only a few teams in the league with 3 ligitimate keepers (oh btw i traded him LJ and he only has LJ and Alexander to keep) and im thinking of dropping out now (i havent paid yet) I have played in this league for 8 years and i would be ruining the season for everyone else.

Can i get any love from the shark pool?

Am i getting hosed ?
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To quote John Madden,"Boom,there ya go." No wonder if was changed from 3 to 2. You had a couple of knuckleheads who can't do their homework in advance and decided to make it easier on themselves by

changing the rule. I know you said your going to stick with it but this is going to make you nuts all year long.

Not sure I would want to put myself through all that.

 
Go to the draft. Cooly articulate your/our position to the entire league regarding the league changes and the commish's decision to "let" you play this year, but toss you for next (I still don't get THAT one at all BTW- for what? Arguing aggressively about what went down?). Do not let them know that you are considering leaving now if the pertinent changes are not put off til next season.

When done, ask that the owners reconsider as a group. If they all decide not to or the commish then runs interference wish them all the best, pick up your beer and bail with your $75...

...with your head held high.

 
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