I love FBG ---- BUT (1 Viewer)

[succom]

I'm basically a lurker and think I get my $24 worth, but I wonder if FBG isn't trying to do too much, or is simply stretched too thin. Case in point: I'm a Matt Jones owner and in today's "Sleeper" email FBG rates him really high with no mention of his injury situation. Then in "Players in the News" FBG says he's listed as questionable. I also own Ahman Green. FBG rates him way up there in "Sleepers" and then in "Players in the News" says he's questionable and not likely to get a TD.

I know you've got a lot of contributors, but maybe someone (David & Joe?) need to play the role of editors and weed out these frustrating inconsistencies.

 

[Raider Nation]

Would there be anything a little more petty to nitpick about?

 

[Assani Fisher]

Theres bound to be inconsistencies, but heres the thing...Say for example that you thought Player A was 95% likely to start but only 1/2 of that would be full playing time. But out of the majority you liked him as an option. Then say another staff writer thinks the opposite only in retund fashion. If you're gonna bag one and fleece the other, are you not overrating him yourself?

To put it another way: The staff here cannot upkeep and maintain their devout views for each year when the sport itself is in such a state of change. Look back 2 years ago...who was champ then? Answer that and I think you'll have a lot less to complain about.

 

[Marc Levin]

The sleeper article is written by one person.The players in the news is simply that - whatever has been REPORTED in the news (plus Joe's slant)Joe does not write the sleeper article. As it clearly states in the by line:

by Bob Henry, Exclusive to Footballguys.com

Joe's take is just that - JOE'S take.

 

[Bri]

The sleeper article is written by one person.The players in the news is simply that - whatever has been REPORTED in the news (plus Joe's slant)Joe does not write the sleeper article. As it clearly states in the by line:

by Bob Henry, Exclusive to Footballguys.com

Joe's take is just that - JOE'S take.

he's got a point though Marc

 

[ImTheScientist]

If he does play this week he is a sleeper if he doesn't play then obviously he is not............. its not rocket science!

 

[Bri]

I'm basically a lurker and think I get my $24 worth, but I wonder if FBG isn't trying to do too much, or is simply stretched too thin. Case in point: I'm a Matt Jones owner and in today's "Sleeper" email FBG rates him really high with no mention of his injury situation. Then in "Players in the News" FBG says he's listed as questionable. I also own Ahman Green. FBG rates him way up there in "Sleepers" and then in "Players in the News" says he's questionable and not likely to get a TD.I know you've got a lot of contributors, but maybe someone (David & Joe?) need to play the role of editors and weed out these frustrating inconsistencies.

Not a staffer but I think I can answer your Q via experience here.They do everything thru the site and the emails are supplemental or additional. If you want Matt Jones news, hit the site(news blogger) and they'll give ya what they've got. You seem to want the additional stuff to comingle and I don't think that's the setup here. The site is the parents on the family tree and the emails are just branches.BTW I don't doubt you just found an oops and that it's not commonplaceETA Believe it or not I'd PM Chris Smith with your Q not Joe B or Bob. He's the news "figurehead" as far as I know

 

[VICK-tory]

Quantity over quality- im afraid thats been FBGs direction

 

[Kleck]

Quantity over quality- im afraid thats been FBGs direction

Quanity of opinions? I can live with that. Group think is a bad thing IMO. Does quality mean that all the opinions have to be the same?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

we give you a lot of information to help you make informed decisions, but you still have to make the ultimate decisions on how to manage your team(s).

to me, it seems pretty simple. if these players ARE able to play this week, then they have great matchups that you should try to take advantage of. If they are unable to play, then obviously you need to look elsewhere.

 

[The Football Freak]

I'm basically a lurker and think I get my $24 worth, but I wonder if FBG isn't trying to do too much, or is simply stretched too thin. Case in point: I'm a Matt Jones owner and in today's "Sleeper" email FBG rates him really high with no mention of his injury situation. Then in "Players in the News" FBG says he's listed as questionable. I also own Ahman Green. FBG rates him way up there in "Sleepers" and then in "Players in the News" says he's questionable and not likely to get a TD.I know you've got a lot of contributors, but maybe someone (David & Joe?) need to play the role of editors and weed out these frustrating inconsistencies.

I think a homogenous voice would be bad, the wealth of opinions is what makes this a great site. Some information may be conflicting, but you have to read the arguments and come up with the right choice. Travis Taylor is not ranked very highly because to predict so would be silly, and obviously "going with your gut" in rankings, but in the sleeper section they highlight what he COULD do based on opportunity. I think the opposing opinions help you in your depth beyond simply ranking your obvious studs.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

I'm basically a lurker and think I get my $24 worth, but I wonder if FBG isn't trying to do too much, or is simply stretched too thin. Case in point: I'm a Matt Jones owner and in today's "Sleeper" email FBG rates him really high with no mention of his injury situation. Then in "Players in the News" FBG says he's listed as questionable. I also own Ahman Green. FBG rates him way up there in "Sleepers" and then in "Players in the News" says he's questionable and not likely to get a TD.I know you've got a lot of contributors, but maybe someone (David & Joe?) need to play the role of editors and weed out these frustrating inconsistencies.

i wonder if this has to do with fact that bob may be writing them in advance of official league injury listings (in which case, yeah, just use it as guideline but always vet it against latest info on injuries which we all probably do anyways... or should be where possible) sometimes we find out at game time whether a player can go or not... rather than not write about them because they might not play, better to write about them in case they do...i don't really see anything contradictory in examples you cited... westbrook was listed as questionable last week but played... so i'm not sure being listed Q and being sleeper are necessarily mutually exclusive...same with ahman green part... it seems like it would be possible to not score a TD but still score in yardage leagues... depending on how deep the league is... that might be a sleeper to some... we don't send out separate reports for 10 team leagues, 12 team, 14 team, 16 team, etc... some info is maybe more relevant to smaller league, other to larger leagues, & only you can determine what is relevant to your needs, and best fit given your league size...

 

[ydub]

Quantity over quality- im afraid thats been FBGs direction

Quanity of opinions? I can live with that. Group think is a bad thing IMO. Does quality mean that all the opinions have to be the same?

Absolutely not. That's what makes FBG's so great. Because there are so many varied opintions that run the gamut from extreme (Levin) to conservative, it would really dilute the impact of the content to consolidate them into some sort of bland medium. And I think at some point one can't help but align themselves philsophically with a staffer or two. For instance, after taking a look at a bit of the free content I immediately latched onto Bloom and Bramel. Several months later, those two are generally the ones I look to before any other to help form my evaluations. Similar to reading a trusted film or restaraunt critic. Sure, you take a look at other opinions, but the purpose is usually to confirm your "trusted" critis's analysis. There are several staff members who I completely disregard and that's ok. It's just a part of my personal vetting process and I'm sure there are a number of subscribers who extract a great deal of value from their opinions. And that's kind of the point...isn't it?By the way, none of this excuses the labeling of Matt Jones as a sleeper. Not the end of the world, but it should've been caught by someone.

 

[Marc Levin]

The sleeper article is written by one person.

The players in the news is simply that - whatever has been REPORTED in the news (plus Joe's slant)

Joe does not write the sleeper article. As it clearly states in the by line:

by Bob Henry, Exclusive to Footballguys.com

Joe's take is just that - JOE'S take.

he's got a point though Marc

No, I don't think he does. Like aaron stated:

to me, it seems pretty simple. if these players ARE able to play this week, then they have great matchups that you should try to take advantage of. If they are unable to play, then obviously you need to look elsewhere.

Joe is followig the news, not following who might have a "sleeper" matchup - and he shouldn't. If we coordinated Bob's article with news that changes over the course of the week, Bob would never be able to get the article out or would be constantly amending it.Bob writes about good "sleeper" matchups - AGreen is a good sleeper if he can play. If AGreen were probable to play, he might not even be muich of a sleeper.

Besides, at the risk of doivulgin pay content (necessary here) here is the complaint.

here is Bob's AGreen write-up - under the "worth a GAMBLE" section - note the bolded parts.

Miami is allowing 28 rushing attempts per game to opposing RBs. While the Dolphins defense is doing a good job of limiting the yards/attempt, Green has a good opportunity to run the ball this week, but what they do with that opportunity is open to debate. The Packers offensive line is slowly improving so Green might be a decent yardage play – just don’t expect any TDs as the Dolphins have been stingy in that area allowing just 1 TD to RBs in the first 5 weeks. Green is expected to start this week, but if he suffers yet another setback with a hammy, then look for Noah Herron to be productive in his stead.

And here's Joe's Wed. update:

*** Wednesday Update *** RB Ahman Green (GB) practiced on Wednesday but is listed as questionable for this weekend.

Help me find the incongruity and I'll concede the point to the original poster.

 

[trader jake]

I'm not dismissing the major point of this thread - it does have some merit.

However, if you want to be told who to start (a cheatsheet) they provide that. If you want to know a players value for the remainder of the year (top 200) they provide that. If you want last second updates on inactive players and injury updates (the message board) it's available for free.

If this is the biggest issue for FBG's moving forward I'm sure they'll gladly take it. Personally I'd like to see them join forces with a league web-site provider (MFL?) or start their own and just make this a one-stop shop.

 

[tonydead]

The sleeper article is written by one person.

The players in the news is simply that - whatever has been REPORTED in the news (plus Joe's slant)

Joe does not write the sleeper article. As it clearly states in the by line:

by Bob Henry, Exclusive to Footballguys.com

Joe's take is just that - JOE'S take.

he's got a point though Marc

No, I don't think he does. Like aaron stated:

to me, it seems pretty simple. if these players ARE able to play this week, then they have great matchups that you should try to take advantage of. If they are unable to play, then obviously you need to look elsewhere.

Joe is followig the news, not following who might have a "sleeper" matchup - and he shouldn't. If we coordinated Bob's article with news that changes over the course of the week, Bob would never be able to get the article out or would be constantly amending it.Bob writes about good "sleeper" matchups - AGreen is a good sleeper if he can play. If AGreen were probable to play, he might not even be muich of a sleeper.

Besides, at the risk of doivulgin pay content (necessary here) here is the complaint.

here is Bob's AGreen write-up - under the "worth a GAMBLE" section - note the bolded parts.

Miami is allowing 28 rushing attempts per game to opposing RBs. While the Dolphins defense is doing a good job of limiting the yards/attempt, Green has a good opportunity to run the ball this week, but what they do with that opportunity is open to debate. The Packers offensive line is slowly improving so Green might be a decent yardage play – just don’t expect any TDs as the Dolphins have been stingy in that area allowing just 1 TD to RBs in the first 5 weeks. Green is expected to start this week, but if he suffers yet another setback with a hammy, then look for Noah Herron to be productive in his stead.

And here's Joe's Wed. update:

*** Wednesday Update *** RB Ahman Green (GB) practiced on Wednesday but is listed as questionable for this weekend.

Help me find the incongruity and I'll concede the point to the original poster.

Great, great site. The best. Just my usual suggestions for improvement.Not diagreeing with you Mark, as a paid subscriber. All I know is there is a ton of stuff released early in the week that I never use. I mean I watch the games I know what happened. And then projections come out sometime Thursday and the Lineupdominator never makes it till Friday.

 

[Bri]

The sleeper article is written by one person.

The players in the news is simply that - whatever has been REPORTED in the news (plus Joe's slant)

Joe does not write the sleeper article. As it clearly states in the by line:

by Bob Henry, Exclusive to Footballguys.com

Joe's take is just that - JOE'S take.

he's got a point though Marc

No, I don't think he does. Like aaron stated:

to me, it seems pretty simple. if these players ARE able to play this week, then they have great matchups that you should try to take advantage of. If they are unable to play, then obviously you need to look elsewhere.

Sorry but I felt this comment was obvious or elementary

Joe is followig the news, not following who might have a "sleeper" matchup - and he shouldn't. If we coordinated Bob's article with news that changes over the course of the week, Bob would never be able to get the article out or would be constantly amending it.

oh cmon now, this is a bit much. Bob surely can click on http://news.footballguys.com/new/blogger.php then type in Matt Jones and paste this:WR M. Jones Doubtful For Week SevenVic Ketchman, Jaguars.com - [Full Article]

Jacksonville Jaguars HC Jack Del Rio said on Wednesday that WR Matt Jones will be designated as doubtful on the weekly injury report and would not practice on Wednesday. Jones is nursing a hamstring injury. He has been hobbled by groin and hamstring injuries since the third game of the season and has caught only one pass in the last three games.

Took me less than a minute.

or player news then WR then Jones and paste this link into his email

http://news.footballguys.com/new/pp_blogge...ayerid=JoneMa00

Bob writes about good "sleeper" matchups - AGreen is a good sleeper if he can play. If AGreen were probable to play, he might not even be muich of a sleeper.

Besides, at the risk of doivulgin pay content (necessary here) here is the complaint.

here is Bob's AGreen write-up - under the "worth a GAMBLE" section - note the bolded parts.

Miami is allowing 28 rushing attempts per game to opposing RBs. While the Dolphins defense is doing a good job of limiting the yards/attempt, Green has a good opportunity to run the ball this week, but what they do with that opportunity is open to debate. The Packers offensive line is slowly improving so Green might be a decent yardage play – just don’t expect any TDs as the Dolphins have been stingy in that area allowing just 1 TD to RBs in the first 5 weeks. Green is expected to start this week, but if he suffers yet another setback with a hammy, then look for Noah Herron to be productive in his stead.

And here's Joe's Wed. update:

*** Wednesday Update *** RB Ahman Green (GB) practiced on Wednesday but is listed as questionable for this weekend.

Help me find the incongruity and I'll concede the point to the original poster.

He pays for FBGs not for Joe not for Bob but FBGs. What's wrong with a guy wanting a note or "heads up" from Bob on his questionable status? It seems to me Bob's email is put out to bring attention to specific players. So he brought that attention, what is wrong with a subscriber wanting a news update if a guy's hurt? Bob can paste. It's not like he lists 200 players, he can handle it. I think there's a defensive attitude here and the original poster was trying to be constructive as am I. Minimal change to a great product, a heads up to injury news. Suggestions on improvements not a bash session

 

[The Jerminator]

Quantity over quality- im afraid thats been FBGs direction

Quanity of opinions? I can live with that. Group think is a bad thing IMO. Does quality mean that all the opinions have to be the same?

Absolutely not. That's what makes FBG's so great. Because there are so many varied opintions that run the gamut from extreme (Levin) to conservative, it would really dilute the impact of the content to consolidate them into some sort of bland medium. And I think at some point one can't help but align themselves philsophically with a staffer or two. For instance, after taking a look at a bit of the free content I immediately latched onto Bloom and Bramel. Several months later, those two are generally the ones I look to before any other to help form my evaluations. Similar to reading a trusted film or restaraunt critic. Sure, you take a look at other opinions, but the purpose is usually to confirm your "trusted" critis's analysis. There are several staff members who I completely disregard and that's ok. It's just a part of my personal vetting process and I'm sure there are a number of subscribers who extract a great deal of value from their opinions. And that's kind of the point...isn't it?By the way, none of this excuses the labeling of Matt Jones as a sleeper. Not the end of the world, but it should've been caught by someone.

The best part of Footballguys.com is the INFORMATION, not, necessarily, the advice. I think as you spend enough time here (Cheatsheets.net "Yellow Board" member here!) you get a few man-crushes on some of the contributors. Find the ones who provide you with the info and insight that speaks to you and use it to your advantage.Targets and Sleepers and Cheatsheets are just INFORMATION. Sift through it and make the call. Its like the Stock Market, start with good info and then trust your ability to spot trends, find value, limit risk, etc.I used information provided by various sources here to convince me pick up Rex Grossman as a backup to Marc Bulger several weeks ago. Last week FBGs had Grossman at #4 on the final Cheatsheet vs. Bulger's #5. Both would be fine starts, no doubt ("That's why they play the games!"), but I trusted several sources, in addition to the Cheatshhet, that showed Bulger's success vs. Seattle in the past three years, so I started him over the higher ranked Grossman. I obviously made the right call as Bulger's 39 points were the difference in my win (versus Grossman's -3!!!). The post script to this story is that I just received a trade offer, which I gladly accepted, of Kevin Jones for Grossman. I never started Grossman, a WW pickup after Week 3, based, in large part, on the info I got here, at FBGs, and I managed to trade him for KJ, who might start for me the rest of the year.Sure I could nit-pick that the Cheatsheet was wrong, but I made my own call and ended up better off in the end using some FBGs insight. That's why I've paid every year and will continue to do so as long I as play FF.If Joe, David and the gang at FBGs could predict the future they wouldn't be hanging around with us s. This stuff is only fun when you go against the grain every once in awhile and take some chances.Good Luck and Happy Dominating!!!

 

[Marc Levin]

Bob DEFINITELY dropped the ball on his Matt Jones as a sleeper prediction.

That is the ONLY one I will concede, however - the AGreen one was certainly nothing to complain about. If the Matt Jones thing is the ONLY thing the OP can point to as a complaint about FBG this week, well, then I am DAMN PROUD of the job we're doing - everyone makes mistakes.

Matt Jones was a mistake.

AGreen was NOT.

The bolded part, I am not sure I completely agree with - why post that here rather than send us a PM or an e-mail if he wanted to be "constructive." Posting here, he should expect discussion - AND a defensive attitude. I am damn proud of FBG and don't feel we should be criticized on THIS BOARD for one mistake in one week on our pay content.

We can be defensive when someone essentially calls us out as "sloppy." He mentions "inconsistencies" - I see one glaring mistake by Bob, and that's it.

He pays for FBGs not for Joe not for Bob but FBGs. What's wrong with a guy wanting a note or "heads up" from Bob on his questionable status? It seems to me Bob's email is put out to bring attention to specific players. So he brought that attention, what is wrong with a subscriber wanting a news update if a guy's hurt? Bob can paste. It's not like he lists 200 players, he can handle it.

I think there's a defensive attitude here and the original poster was trying to be constructive as am I. Minimal change to a great product, a heads up to injury news. Suggestions on improvements not a bash session

 

[Marc Levin]

In fact, to add, we should get the benefit of the doubt that we made a mistake - not that we have to improve our entire process.

He didn't post "it seems like you had an oversight" He posted we should set up an overseeing editorial process - like we are streteched to THIN - what kind of "constructive criticism" is that.

So, I thiink we responded in exactly the spirit with which this so-called helpful remark was given.

It was an out and out complaint - addressing our pay content - made publicly - on a board we provide free to all. If the guy is really a long-time lurker, he should know better.

I feel justified defending the company.

 

[Bri]

Bob DEFINITELY dropped the ball on his Matt Jones as a sleeper prediction.That is the ONLY one I will concede, however - the AGreen one was certainly nothing to complain about. If the Matt Jones thing is the ONLY thing the OP can point to as a complaint about FBG this week, well, then I am DAMN PROUD of the job we're doing - everyone makes mistakes.Matt Jones was a mistake.AGreen was NOT.The bolded part, I am not sure I completely agree with - why post that here rather than send us a PM or an e-mail if he wanted to be "constructive." Posting here, he should expect discussion - AND a defensive attitude. I am damn proud of FBG and don't feel we should be criticized on THIS BOARD for one mistake in one week on our pay content.We can be defensive when someone essentially calls us out as "sloppy." He mentions "inconsistencies" - I see one glaring mistake by Bob, and that's it.

You should be proud, everyone thinks so and thinks highly of FBG.He didn't call ya sloppy, that's the defensive reaction I'm talking about. What's the first 3 words of the topic?As you all but stated it was inconsistent with Jones. So a newbie found an issue, cool, why aren't we done with this?Why no PM? I don't know but it was either his first or fifth post. He's not exactly familiar with the routine and for all I know he doesn't know what a PM is and/or has never received one.

 

[Bri]

In fact, to add, we should get the benefit of the doubt that we made a mistake - not that we have to improve our entire process.He didn't post "it seems like you had an oversight" He posted we should set up an overseeing editorial process - like we are streteched to THIN - what kind of "constructive criticism" is that.So, I thiink we responded in exactly the spirit with which this so-called helpful remark was given.It was an out and out complaint - addressing our pay content - made publicly - on a board we provide free to all. If the guy is really a long-time lurker, he should know better. I feel justified defending the company.

this is just continuing a debate I think is over

 

[Righetti]

I read the same thing about Matt Jones (who i own) and thought.. funny how can a guy be a sleeper who is going to listed as doubtful which means that there is a 75% chance that he will NOT play...

nobody is expecting FBG or anybody else to be completely mistake-free but I do believe it is the original poster's right (as a paying customer) to bring to light something that is innacurate.

if my cable service does not work for 30 minutes in a week, you bet i'd complain about it.. If the cable operator came on and said that the cable worked 23 and a half hours, that doesn't make be feel any better.

The fact that it works the other 23 and a half hours a week is irrelevant

 

[Assani Fisher]

If you're gonna feed the sharks here guys, let try to not lambast the issue with drivel not concerning OP's initial recollect. The main point I think is that the staff only has so wide of a limit to chew certain materials up each week. To try to force a million and one issues into an article concerning something that has nothing to do with FF is just silly.

The customer is "always right" according to most company protcols. Should we then say that the management is "always wrong." LOL>>>>I think not!

 

[Pedro Cerrano Fan]

I think the problem may be the original poster does not draw divisions between FBG contributors, and reads everything as "by the FBGs". So when he sees differing analyses, he thinks it's a contradiction. It isn't, and it's up to him to realize FBGs is a collaboration. There isn't a problem.

 

[Wheelhouse]

I love footballguys too, but...wait, there is not but.

 

[John Mamula]

Bob DEFINITELY dropped the ball on his Matt Jones as a sleeper prediction.

way to throw...:11:Bob

 

[PatsWillWin]

Bob DEFINITELY dropped the ball on his Matt Jones as a sleeper prediction.

way to throw...:11:Bob

 

[glumpy]

I think the problem may be the original poster does not draw divisions between FBG contributors, and reads everything as "by the FBGs". So when he sees differing analyses, he thinks it's a contradiction. It isn't, and it's up to him to realize FBGs is a collaboration. There isn't a problem.

Exactly.

 

[Otis]

we give you a lot of information to help you make informed decisions, but you still have to make the ultimate decisions on how to manage your team(s).to me, it seems pretty simple. if these players ARE able to play this week, then they have great matchups that you should try to take advantage of. If they are unable to play, then obviously you need to look elsewhere.

A-rudels. just cut the crap and make all my fantasy football decisions for me.Actually, would it be cool if I PM you my league login information and you just run my team for me?Please report back with results in February.TIA,O

 

[Stinger Ray]

we give you a lot of information to help you make informed decisions, but you still have to make the ultimate decisions on how to manage your team(s).to me, it seems pretty simple. if these players ARE able to play this week, then they have great matchups that you should try to take advantage of. If they are unable to play, then obviously you need to look elsewhere.

A-rudels. just cut the crap and make all my fantasy football decisions for me.Actually, would it be cool if I PM you my league login information and you just run my team for me?Please report back with results in February.TIA,O

That is one long regular season.

 

[Phil Elliott]

I'm basically a lurker and think I get my $24 worth, but I wonder if FBG isn't trying to do too much, or is simply stretched too thin. Case in point: I'm a Matt Jones owner and in today's "Sleeper" email FBG rates him really high with no mention of his injury situation. Then in "Players in the News" FBG says he's listed as questionable. I also own Ahman Green. FBG rates him way up there in "Sleepers" and then in "Players in the News" says he's questionable and not likely to get a TD.I know you've got a lot of contributors, but maybe someone (David & Joe?) need to play the role of editors and weed out these frustrating inconsistencies.

And for those of you that have NEVER made a mistake, feel free to throw the next stone...Just like TV and Radio, you can decide not to tune in if you don't like it...or next year sign up earlier and only pay $19.95 to increase your value. I realize you are just making a minor comment on the "apparent" contradictions but this is not an exact science. If you find the site that knows exactly what will happen, let me know so I can go to Vegas. The fun of FF is analyzing the information that is available and making "your own" decisions.

 

[Christo]

The best part of Footballguys.com is the INFORMATION, not, necessarily, the advice.

Fixed. I want one place where I can go to find out what's happening in the NFL. Everything else provided by the site is pure speculation.

 

[Sabertooth]

The best part of Footballguys.com is the INFORMATION, not, necessarily, the advice.

Fixed. I want one place where I can go to find out what's happening in the NFL. Everything else provided by the site is pure speculation.

Exactly, and that's where I run into trouble. The opinions expressed are usually not any more valid or correct than my own.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bob DEFINITELY dropped the ball on his Matt Jones as a sleeper prediction.

way to throw...:11:Bob

Levin = T.O.?

 

[j3r3m3y]

The sleeper article is written by one person.The players in the news is simply that - whatever has been REPORTED in the news (plus Joe's slant)Joe does not write the sleeper article. As it clearly states in the by line:

by Bob Henry, Exclusive to Footballguys.com

Joe's take is just that - JOE'S take.

Not really. FBG's does not claim to know the facts before hand, but they do give us takes form a variety of respected sources. Sometimes those sources don't agree. I like to get as many different points of view as possible so that I can make my own decision. Conflicting opinions are a good thing.

 

[Phil Elliott]

The best part of Footballguys.com is the INFORMATION, not, necessarily, the advice.

Fixed. I want one place where I can go to find out what's happening in the NFL. Everything else provided by the site is pure speculation.

Exactly, and that's where I run into trouble. The opinions expressed are usually not any more valid or correct than my own.

Yet you (Sabertooth) have been a member since '03? You must think something is worth it...

 

[Sabertooth]

The best part of Footballguys.com is the INFORMATION, not, necessarily, the advice.

Fixed. I want one place where I can go to find out what's happening in the NFL. Everything else provided by the site is pure speculation.

Exactly, and that's where I run into trouble. The opinions expressed are usually not any more valid or correct than my own.

Yet you (Sabertooth) have been a member since '03? You must think something is worth it...

Exactly. The information is great. It's all in one spot. But a lot of the expert opinions turn out to be wrong.

 

[Mike Anderson]

oh cmon now, this is a bit much. Bob surely can click on http://news.footballguys.com/new/blogger.php then type in Matt Jones and paste this:WR M. Jones Doubtful For Week Seven

Vic Ketchman, Jaguars.com - [Full Article]

Jacksonville Jaguars HC Jack Del Rio said on Wednesday that WR Matt Jones will be designated as doubtful on the weekly injury report and would not practice on Wednesday. Jones is nursing a hamstring injury. He has been hobbled by groin and hamstring injuries since the third game of the season and has caught only one pass in the last three games.

In this particular example, Bob most likely (I do not know?) wrote the article Tuesday for Wednesday publication, and the news story being used here sites a quote from Del Rio made on Wednesday. The Sleeper article would never come out if you kept waiting for the last bit of news. At some point, you just have to submit it.

 

[ghosttothepost]

The best part of Footballguys.com is the INFORMATION, not, necessarily, the advice. I think as you spend enough time here (Cheatsheets.net "Yellow Board" member here!) you get a few man-crushes on some of the contributors. Find the ones who provide you with the info and insight that speaks to you and use it to your advantage.

Targets and Sleepers and Cheatsheets are just INFORMATION. Sift through it and make the call. Its like the Stock Market, start with good info and then trust your ability to spot trends, find value, limit risk, etc.

While I primarily agree with the concept that FBG's is best relied on for "information" as opposed to "advice," I don't understand how you can term columns such as "Sleepers" and "Cheatsheets" as information. Instead, I think these are prime examples of FBG's ADVICE -- i.e. the authors' OPINIONS as to which players are valuable and/or which players will do better than others in the future. Unfortunately, I think a lot people (for better or for worse) subscribe to services such as FGB's for just this sort of advice. In other words, they want "experts" to digest the information that is out there and then offer their experts' advice as to how such information should be applied. While I realize that hardcore fantasy players scoff at the idea that someone might not do all their own information gathering and make all their fantasy decisions on their own each week, I'm afraid that most people's real world time commitments prevent this from being possible. Thus, the bottom line for many subscribers to FF sites is simply who gives the best advice as measured by whether or not such advice turns out to be accurate.

 

[Bri]

oh cmon now, this is a bit much. Bob surely can click on http://news.footballguys.com/new/blogger.php then type in Matt Jones and paste this:WR M. Jones Doubtful For Week Seven

Vic Ketchman, Jaguars.com - [Full Article]

Jacksonville Jaguars HC Jack Del Rio said on Wednesday that WR Matt Jones will be designated as doubtful on the weekly injury report and would not practice on Wednesday. Jones is nursing a hamstring injury. He has been hobbled by groin and hamstring injuries since the third game of the season and has caught only one pass in the last three games.

In this particular example, Bob most likely (I do not know?) wrote the article Tuesday for Wednesday publication, and the news story being used here sites a quote from Del Rio made on Wednesday. The Sleeper article would never come out if you kept waiting for the last bit of news. At some point, you just have to submit it.

absolutely, but he could have pasted tuesday's in

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

oh cmon now, this is a bit much. Bob surely can click on http://news.footballguys.com/new/blogger.php then type in Matt Jones and paste this:WR M. Jones Doubtful For Week Seven

Vic Ketchman, Jaguars.com - [Full Article]

Jacksonville Jaguars HC Jack Del Rio said on Wednesday that WR Matt Jones will be designated as doubtful on the weekly injury report and would not practice on Wednesday. Jones is nursing a hamstring injury. He has been hobbled by groin and hamstring injuries since the third game of the season and has caught only one pass in the last three games.

In this particular example, Bob most likely (I do not know?) wrote the article Tuesday for Wednesday publication, and the news story being used here sites a quote from Del Rio made on Wednesday. The Sleeper article would never come out if you kept waiting for the last bit of news. At some point, you just have to submit it.

absolutely, but he could have pasted tuesday's in

Tuesday's what? Official injury reports come out on Wednesdays. The Jaguars were on a bye last week so it wouldn't be unusual if there was no new info on him as of Monday and Tuesday.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

we give you a lot of information to help you make informed decisions, but you still have to make the ultimate decisions on how to manage your team(s).

to me, it seems pretty simple. if these players ARE able to play this week, then they have great matchups that you should try to take advantage of. If they are unable to play, then obviously you need to look elsewhere.

[scribbles note]

Don't start guys who aren't playing

manage teams

take advantage of players

[/note]Anything else?

As usual, Rude raises the voice of reason.

 

[zamboni]

I'm basically a lurker and think I get my $24 worth,

Well, next time pay the full $25.95 and you'll get complete information. Seriously though, your point is valid about Jones, although everyone is human.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

we give you a lot of information to help you make informed decisions, but you still have to make the ultimate decisions on how to manage your team(s).

to me, it seems pretty simple. if these players ARE able to play this week, then they have great matchups that you should try to take advantage of. If they are unable to play, then obviously you need to look elsewhere.

[scribbles note]

Don't start guys who aren't playing

manage teams

take advantage of players

[/note]

I think we found the hook for next years cover of the FBG mag

 

[Bob Henry]

Hi everyone.. thanks for pointing out the Matt Jones error. Indeed, I did make a mistake, but it wasn't for a lack of digging or research. I'm not in the business to make mistakes - or excuses when I make them.

I had to travel this week.. and wrote this article Tuesday afternoon on an airplane after having done all of my research from Sun-Tues. I submitted the article Tuesday night and thought Jones would be "better" having a week off due to the bye and time to rest/heal. Obviously that wasn't the case and when I saw the news on Jones - on Wed/Thurs - I knew that would draw attention.

I'll take the stones that anyone wants to throw. I'm a man. And I'm man enough to admit that it was an error, but certainly not due to any lack of research. It came down to a timing issue. This article is always written and submitted for posting well before the injury report is published by the NFL. It doesn't always make it's way onto the site before the injury report though.

Thanks for your understanding. I've since updated the article to correct the error.

Also, for Levin... it's all good, Marc. I'm all about accountability. If I make a mistake, call me on it. I'll fix it. To error is human... I take pride, as do all FBGs, in producing quality material that is accurate, timely and informative. Unfortunately, it won't be the first time I've erred and it won't be the last...

 

[southeastjerome]

Good God, this is nitpicking. Its not as if 2 guys are writing everything for the site.

To me, its very simple. If you have a player on your team that is questionable to play on Sunday, monitor the situation. If you blindly start a guy who is questionable just because he's in a "sleeper" column, and he does not start, that is your own fault. The column comes out on Wednesday, it usually doesn't become clear which of the questionable guys will actually play on Sunday until the weekend, so it's impossible for Bob to judge who will actually play when he probably sits down and writes the column before the injury report is even out for the week. I think the idea is to combine all the info to help you make your own informed decision.

 

[Bri]

oh cmon now, this is a bit much. Bob surely can click on http://news.footballguys.com/new/blogger.php then type in Matt Jones and paste this:WR M. Jones Doubtful For Week Seven

Vic Ketchman, Jaguars.com - [Full Article]

Jacksonville Jaguars HC Jack Del Rio said on Wednesday that WR Matt Jones will be designated as doubtful on the weekly injury report and would not practice on Wednesday. Jones is nursing a hamstring injury. He has been hobbled by groin and hamstring injuries since the third game of the season and has caught only one pass in the last three games.

In this particular example, Bob most likely (I do not know?) wrote the article Tuesday for Wednesday publication, and the news story being used here sites a quote from Del Rio made on Wednesday. The Sleeper article would never come out if you kept waiting for the last bit of news. At some point, you just have to submit it.

absolutely, but he could have pasted tuesday's in

Tuesday's what?

news, link above

 

[Bri]

Hi everyone..

Bob would adding in news on questionable players from the blogger be a reasonable request? Or are you too strapped for time?I did notice you said you wrote that on a plane so....BTW thanks for the effort to do it on the plane for us

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Hi everyone.. thanks for pointing out the Matt Jones error. Indeed, I did make a mistake, but it wasn't for a lack of digging or research. I'm not in the business to make mistakes - or excuses when I make them.I had to travel this week.. and wrote this article Tuesday afternoon on an airplane after having done all of my research from Sun-Tues. I submitted the article Tuesday night and thought Jones would be "better" having a week off due to the bye and time to rest/heal. Obviously that wasn't the case and when I saw the news on Jones - on Wed/Thurs - I knew that would draw attention.I'll take the stones that anyone wants to throw. I'm a man. And I'm man enough to admit that it was an error, but certainly not due to any lack of research. It came down to a timing issue. This article is always written and submitted for posting well before the injury report is published by the NFL. It doesn't always make it's way onto the site before the injury report though.Thanks for your understanding. I've since updated the article to correct the error.Also, for Levin... it's all good, Marc. I'm all about accountability. If I make a mistake, call me on it. I'll fix it. To error is human... I take pride, as do all FBGs, in producing quality material that is accurate, timely and informative. Unfortunately, it won't be the first time I've erred and it won't be the last...

Maybe Levin can PM you next time to tell you screwed up as a professional courtesy. Way to man up here though. As far as the responses here well I agree mostly with Bri and find the overreaction to the original poster to be a little extreme. Guy pays his subscription fee he is entitled to ask questions.