I need Commish Advice (1 Viewer)

[bigbrownbag]

Yahoo sucks!

M Colston is listed as a WR,TE

I asked the owner in my league who has him to not play him at TE and only use him in the WR slot. He is sort of refusing.

I emailed Yahoo and they wont be changing his eligibility anytime this season.

Colston never played TE, not in college or in the Pre-Season, from what I have researched. Therefor it is totally lame that he is eligible as a TE in Fantasy Football.

As the commish of the league how should I handle this. Its a group of all friends too, thats the other problem, I could see him refusing and being a **** about it if he had no idea who we were, but thats not the case.

Sorry if this is in the wrong Forum but didnt know where to post it

Thanks for the help

 

[MaxMan42]

If he is listed as both, then the owner can play him at either. He is listed only as a WR at MFL but I would allow the owner to play him at TE if his designation changes

 

[nightshift]

Take that owner out back of the shed and beat him without mercy. Then ask him again.

Colston is listed in the system as a WR, TE then it kind of hard to say you can't play him as listed. Send Yahoo! a few nasty grams asking them to change it please.

 

[Bobcat10]

I don't think you can change a rule just because somebody is taking advantage of it. If this was caught pre-draft, made a league rule that he is a WR, then you could enforce that rule.

 

[Raging weasel]

I don't think you can change a rule just because somebody is taking advantage of it. If this was caught pre-draft, made a league rule that he is a WR, then you could enforce that rule.

 

[reg]

guess you should address this during the offseason.

 

[Rushmore]

Had this issue in a league. There's a thread I posted about it somewhere on here. Basically, you take the good with the bad with Yahoo leagues. There are other's like this too: Michael Robinson as a WR/RB, Thomas Davis as a DB/LB, and Chris Cooley last season as a TE/RB. I think you should only have to regulate what the site lets you.

 

[humphrp]

If you use yahoo then you have to let him play as a TE. If use a customized program then you have more recourse as the NFL has him listed in the player profile as a WR. Yahoo seems to be the only site that has him as a TE

 

[Chairshot]

I'm assuming that Colston was a FA pickup in your league, like he was in most leagues.

If that's the case, then every owner had a shot at him, at some point. If others want to complain about his current owner playing him at TE, they really shouldn't. Everyone had a clean shot at him.

 

[Wingnut]

In my league, you can only start a player at the position he was drafted or pickup up as (i.e. PLAYS as), regardless of what the league website lists him as.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I would feel like a cheater if I played Colston as a TE knowing he was only a WR. He has never even been a TE, even in College. Unfortunately some people will abuse loopholes, even though they know they are playing a WR in a TE position. Sometimes integrity doesn't seem to matter when someone wants to win.

 

[Scrooloose]

I would feel like a cheater if I played Colston as a TE knowing he was only a WR. He has never even been a TE, even in College. Unfortunately some people will abuse loopholes, even though they know they are playing a WR in a TE position. Sometimes integrity doesn't seem to matter when someone wants to win.

especially with money involved. I have such an owner in my league and other jackasses that look for loopholes. Thats why I have revised my rules every year since it started in '91.That being said, I would allow him to play at TE in my league if the NFL depth chart lists him as such.

 

[SlaX]

Yahoo's rules regarding the issue are as follows:

At the beginning of the Fantasy Football season, Yahoo! Sports placed all players into positions based on information from official rosters. Some players might appear in multiple position lists and are eligible to fill any of those positions.In-season updates to position eligibility are made only if it is clear that the player's primary position has changed. Players do not lose position eligibility at any time during the season.Please note that players might not be eligible for all of the positions that are displayed on their Yahoo! Sports player profile.

You will NOT see this changed during this season. They can only add positions, not drop them. And like another poster has already stated, Colston was most likely added via free agency after the draft, thus giving all owners equal opportunity to grab him up. It's not that owner's fault you slept on it. If you force him to be unable to start him at TE position, you should be courteous to give back the roster move (assuming you have limited moves like my leagues do).As some of you may note, I have Colston in both of my Yahoo leagues, so I may sound biased. However, in each league, I personally asked the commish if they had a problem with me using Colston as a TE before doing so. I picked him up prior to week 1 in one league. I've since had 3 owners offering trades, from which he most likely wouldn't have gotten if he was simply listed as WR. After Shockey's bye week, I'll most likely take the best offer. I know that this is looked down upon by some of you, but I simply don't care. Both of my leagues are friendly non-money leagues. And I'm not asking of anyone's approval. I'm simply stating my opinion (as it applies to my situation). As you were...

 

[code]

guess you should address this during the offseason.

Your rulebook should identify the definitive source of player position information...ours does, nfl.com...and we've even had to change positions on MFL a few times to reflect the position listed on nfl.com...(we have a similar rule about statistic disputes)...But, at this point, midseason, you'll just have to live with the precedent that your hosting service has set...during the offseason review the rules and make a change as necessary...meanwhile kudos to the owner in your league who was astute enough to find this discrepancy and exploit it...

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Similar situation. New league, guys new to FF, never used Yahoo. I emailed the owner earlier this week and informed him that he could not use Colston at a TE unless he can convince me otherwise. As long as I am commissioner, I won't let owners exploit Yahoo deficiencies simply becuase their system is not built to make changes easily. The NO Saints depty chart lists Colston as a WR. As long as that's the case, that's the only position he can play in my league. IMO, this comes down to a software issue and/or Yahoo stupidity (I have a feeling that if Yahoo changed it it would screw up all the records for Colston played at TE). That is not fair to other players in the league.

 

[brownies19]

I play in leagues on a multitude host websites. Given that New Orleans drafted him as a tight end, most Fantasy sites inititally gave him TE eligibility. When the Saints traded Stallworth to the Eagles, and it became more clear that Colston was going to occupy a WR slot, many websites gave him eligibility at both.

I actually prefer that Yahoo! maintained WR/TE eligibility after listing both. I was extremely irritated when I drafted Marques Colston as a WR/TE in mid to late August, and he had his eligibility at tight end TAKEN AWAY after my draft had occurred....and at the time, it didn't make sense to hold onto him as a WR, so I cut him.

You can be upset that TE eligibility is still there on Yahoo, or you can be upset that it was taken away on other sites. Yahoo gives the opportunity for an advantage to all members of the league, while other sites took away this advantage to owners who were ahead of the game and saw this opportunity.

 

[faulkfan]

Similar situation. New league, guys new to FF, never used Yahoo. I emailed the owner earlier this week and informed him that he could not use Colston at a TE unless he can convince me otherwise. As long as I am commissioner, I won't let owners exploit Yahoo deficiencies simply becuase their system is not built to make changes easily. The NO Saints depty chart lists Colston as a WR. As long as that's the case, that's the only position he can play in my league. IMO, this comes down to a software issue and/or Yahoo stupidity (I have a feeling that if Yahoo changed it it would screw up all the records for Colston played at TE). That is not fair to other players in the league.

Whoa! Power trip much?Fantasy football index showed Colston being drafted as a TE and Yahoo has him listed there. You can't prove anything with either, but you can't prove that he isn't a TE either. Forall you know the Saints are using multiple TE sets where they spread the TE (Colston) out wide. Because palyers are becoming more athletic positions in football are becoming harder to define. Faulk used to line up all over creation as Bush does now.

My point is that it seems like people are getting awefully overwrought over this. The guys fighting it wouldn't take this stand if they were the ones who had him IMHO.

 

[nerangers]

I know our rules do not address it, and if it is not addressed, we go back to Yahoo's rules. So in our case, he is an option at TE.

My real question is why is he listed as a TE as well. From what I have seen here, he is listed as a WR on the depth chart, and has never played TE in the past.

Just curious if anyone knows why Yahoo set him as both a WR and a TE and what the basis was?

If this was previously mentioned somewhere, sorry....I did not see it. Still on my first cup of coffee....

 

[thayman]

sounds like there are quite a few people in here that are a little upset that they didn't notice this first in their league.....I don't own Colston (well not in my Yahoo! league) and I applaude the owner that noticed it and plugged him in. I mean christ he only has 8 catches for 107 yds, with 2 TD's. It's not like he's setting the league on fire.

 

[thayman]

Similar situation. New league, guys new to FF, never used Yahoo. I emailed the owner earlier this week and informed him that he could not use Colston at a TE unless he can convince me otherwise. As long as I am commissioner, I won't let owners exploit Yahoo deficiencies simply becuase their system is not built to make changes easily. The NO Saints depty chart lists Colston as a WR. As long as that's the case, that's the only position he can play in my league. IMO, this comes down to a software issue and/or Yahoo stupidity (I have a feeling that if Yahoo changed it it would screw up all the records for Colston played at TE). That is not fair to other players in the league.

I'm curious...do you have much turn over in this league??

 

[nase]

I play in leagues on a multitude host websites. Given that New Orleans drafted him as a tight end, most Fantasy sites inititally gave him TE eligibility. When the Saints traded Stallworth to the Eagles, and it became more clear that Colston was going to occupy a WR slot, many websites gave him eligibility at both.

I actually prefer that Yahoo! maintained WR/TE eligibility after listing both. I was extremely irritated when I drafted Marques Colston as a WR/TE in mid to late August, and he had his eligibility at tight end TAKEN AWAY after my draft had occurred....and at the time, it didn't make sense to hold onto him as a WR, so I cut him.

You can be upset that TE eligibility is still there on Yahoo, or you can be upset that it was taken away on other sites. Yahoo gives the opportunity for an advantage to all members of the league, while other sites took away this advantage to owners who were ahead of the game and saw this opportunity.

I agree 101%.Of course I have him in a league at TE, too.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Similar situation. New league, guys new to FF, never used Yahoo. I emailed the owner earlier this week and informed him that he could not use Colston at a TE unless he can convince me otherwise. As long as I am commissioner, I won't let owners exploit Yahoo deficiencies simply becuase their system is not built to make changes easily. The NO Saints depty chart lists Colston as a WR. As long as that's the case, that's the only position he can play in my league. IMO, this comes down to a software issue and/or Yahoo stupidity (I have a feeling that if Yahoo changed it it would screw up all the records for Colston played at TE). That is not fair to other players in the league.

Whoa! Power trip much?Fantasy football index showed Colston being drafted as a TE and Yahoo has him listed there. You can't prove anything with either, but you can't prove that he isn't a TE either. Forall you know the Saints are using multiple TE sets where they spread the TE (Colston) out wide. Because palyers are becoming more athletic positions in football are becoming harder to define. Faulk used to line up all over creation as Bush does now.

My point is that it seems like people are getting awefully overwrought over this. The guys fighting it wouldn't take this stand if they were the ones who had him IMHO.

That's not it at all. To me this is a black and white issue. The New Orleans Saints call him a wide receiver. It's that simple. Yahoo should change it too but doesn't. I don't care what position he was drafted as. Players change positions all the time. To me this is a technical discrepancy and I don't think it's fair to other guys in the league to allow one guy to take advantage of that.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

NFL.COM - MARQUES COLSTON

Position: WR

Height: 6-4

Weight: 231

Born: 06/05/1983

College: Hofstra

NFL Experience: Rookie

Open and shut case.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I remember a time - before the internet - that a guy tried to play Eric Metcalf as a runningback because he lined up in the ATL backfield at times even though he was a WR. The commissioner at the time did not let that fly and I think that was the right call.

If you're the commissioner, what call do you make if you did not have use of the internet?

 

[NOONAN]

Similar situation. New league, guys new to FF, never used Yahoo. I emailed the owner earlier this week and informed him that he could not use Colston at a TE unless he can convince me otherwise. As long as I am commissioner, I won't let owners exploit Yahoo deficiencies simply becuase their system is not built to make changes easily. The NO Saints depty chart lists Colston as a WR. As long as that's the case, that's the only position he can play in my league. IMO, this comes down to a software issue and/or Yahoo stupidity (I have a feeling that if Yahoo changed it it would screw up all the records for Colston played at TE). That is not fair to other players in the league.

Whoa! Power trip much?Fantasy football index showed Colston being drafted as a TE and Yahoo has him listed there. You can't prove anything with either, but you can't prove that he isn't a TE either. Forall you know the Saints are using multiple TE sets where they spread the TE (Colston) out wide. Because palyers are becoming more athletic positions in football are becoming harder to define. Faulk used to line up all over creation as Bush does now.

My point is that it seems like people are getting awefully overwrought over this. The guys fighting it wouldn't take this stand if they were the ones who had him IMHO.

That's not it at all. To me this is a black and white issue. The New Orleans Saints call him a wide receiver. It's that simple. Yahoo should change it too but doesn't. I don't care what position he was drafted as. Players change positions all the time. To me this is a technical discrepancy and I don't think it's fair to other guys in the league to allow one guy to take advantage of that.

As league founder and Commish for 18 years, I would not refer to it as MY league . OUR league rules have always identified the source for position designation before the season starts. This eliminates any issues. We use NFL.com as our source. I don't remember any players listed as multiple positions there.Bottom line, define it and keep it simple.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Similar situation. New league, guys new to FF, never used Yahoo. I emailed the owner earlier this week and informed him that he could not use Colston at a TE unless he can convince me otherwise. As long as I am commissioner, I won't let owners exploit Yahoo deficiencies simply becuase their system is not built to make changes easily. The NO Saints depty chart lists Colston as a WR. As long as that's the case, that's the only position he can play in my league. IMO, this comes down to a software issue and/or Yahoo stupidity (I have a feeling that if Yahoo changed it it would screw up all the records for Colston played at TE). That is not fair to other players in the league.

Whoa! Power trip much?Fantasy football index showed Colston being drafted as a TE and Yahoo has him listed there. You can't prove anything with either, but you can't prove that he isn't a TE either. Forall you know the Saints are using multiple TE sets where they spread the TE (Colston) out wide. Because palyers are becoming more athletic positions in football are becoming harder to define. Faulk used to line up all over creation as Bush does now.

My point is that it seems like people are getting awefully overwrought over this. The guys fighting it wouldn't take this stand if they were the ones who had him IMHO.

That's not it at all. To me this is a black and white issue. The New Orleans Saints call him a wide receiver. It's that simple. Yahoo should change it too but doesn't. I don't care what position he was drafted as. Players change positions all the time. To me this is a technical discrepancy and I don't think it's fair to other guys in the league to allow one guy to take advantage of that.

As league founder and Commish for 18 years, I would not refer to it as MY league . OUR league rules have always identified the source for position designation before the season starts. This eliminates any issues. We use NFL.com as our source. I don't remember any players listed as multiple positions there.Bottom line, define it and keep it simple.

Fair enough. It's definitely not my league. I set it up just to get it rolling and will leave after this year.

 

[thayman]

NFL.COM - MARQUES COLSTON

Position: WR

Height: 6-4

Weight: 231

Born: 06/05/1983

College: Hofstra

NFL Experience: Rookie

Open and shut case.

# 45 Mike Sellers Position: TE

Height: 6-3

Weight: 277

Born: 07/21/1975

College: Walla Walla CC WA

NFL Experience: 7

Yahoo has him as a RB....do you threaten and demand the people in your league that he must be played as a TE only?

 

[freakshow]

I understand that Colston should not be listed as a TE. However, in both my Yahoo and CBSSportsline league he is eligible as a TE. In the CBS league you can't use him as a WR, only as a TE. If you change that midseason, that changes your strategy drastically. I actually wanted to use him as a WR, but couldn't so I traded my #1 TE away for WR help and am starting Colston at TE. If his eligibility changes now, I will be up the creek. I am a little nervous that they will change it and if they do I may ask for my trade to be reversed. I made a strategic decision based on the fact that my league has him listed only as a TE.

I see this as similar to having Liriano or Clemens listed as a RP in baseball. Nobody seems to mind that...you have to take advantage of what you are given. If you do not have a standing rule in your league stating that you can only use players where they actually play, I don't think it is fair to change that half way through the season. Just make sure you put the rule in for next year.

 

[delusional]

WR in CBS

WR in NFL.com

WR in all leagues then

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

NFL.COM - MARQUES COLSTON

Position: WR

Height: 6-4

Weight: 231

Born: 06/05/1983

College: Hofstra

NFL Experience: Rookie

Open and shut case.

# 45 Mike Sellers Position: TE

Height: 6-3

Weight: 277

Born: 07/21/1975

College: Walla Walla CC WA

NFL Experience: 7

Yahoo has him as a RB....do you threaten and demand the people in your league that he must be played as a TE only?

Haven't followed Sellers' progression. My point - and I could not care less how you feel about it - is that this is a Yahoo error. As the commissioner in a league that includes guys who don't even know how the sport is played, I made a judgment call to keep things fair. IMO, the guy who has Colston essentially has an extra guy on his team because he can be played at two positions (different than your example, btw). I don't think this is fair. Again, if the internet did not exist we would not be having this discussion. What compelling evidence exists that Colston is a tight end now? I see Ernie Conwell as the TE. When I informed the owner of Colston's status, I told him if he can convince me otherwise then I would allow it.

LINK

"Manning the wide outs for the Saints are Joe Horn, with rookie Marques Colston and Devery Henderson dividing playing time on the other side. Ernie Conwell is penciled in at tight end."

 

[freakshow]

I don't think anyone is arguing that Colston is a TE in the NFL. Unless you set the ground rules before the year and before someone picked him up as a TE, I don't think you can change it now.

 

[thayman]

NFL.COM - MARQUES COLSTON

Position: WR

Height: 6-4

Weight: 231

Born: 06/05/1983

College: Hofstra

NFL Experience: Rookie

Open and shut case.

# 45 Mike Sellers Position: TE

Height: 6-3

Weight: 277

Born: 07/21/1975

College: Walla Walla CC WA

NFL Experience: 7

Yahoo has him as a RB....do you threaten and demand the people in your league that he must be played as a TE only?

Haven't followed Sellers' progression. My point - and I could not care less how you feel about it - is that this is a Yahoo error. As the commissioner in a league that includes guys who don't even know how the sport is played, I made a judgment call to keep things fair. IMO, the guy who has Colston essentially has an extra guy on his team because he can be played at two positions (different than your example, btw). I don't think this is fair. Again, if the internet did not exist we would not be having this discussion. What compelling evidence exists that Colston is a tight end now? I see Ernie Conwell as the TE. When I informed the owner of Colston's status, I told him if he can convince me otherwise then I would allow it.

LINK

"Manning the wide outs for the Saints are Joe Horn, with rookie Marques Colston and Devery Henderson dividing playing time on the other side. Ernie Conwell is penciled in at tight end."

And if I was in your league I would tell you that Yahoo has him as a TE/WR if you have a problem with that then don't use Yahoo. Why penalize someone for paying attention?? I'm not arguing with you that his position is wrong, and yes Yahoo should have him as a WR, but you get what you pay for don't you? Dont me a cheap ###, and go with a decent site and this becomes a moot point doesn't it?Everyone in your league, including yourself, had the opportunity to pick this player up and play him accordingly. For god's sake, he is a servicable TE/WR anyway, so what difference does it make?

 

[SlaX]

Just curious if anyone knows why Yahoo set him as both a WR and a TE and what the basis was?

My guess is that NO drafted him as a TE. Source

44 252 New Orleans (Supplemental Compensatory Selection) Colston, Marques TE 6-4 223 Hofstra

Since then, he's been listed as a WR. And as I stated prior in the thread, Yahoo's rules say that they will add positions as the season progresses, but will not take them away. It's their policy. I suggest anyone that has a problem with Yahoo's policy, do some research and find a more suitable location for your league next year. I don't see them changing their policy to please the minority.

 

[rupricht]

Sandeman - you need to get off your high horse.

Of course he should be allowed to use Colston as a tight end in any league that allows him TE eligibility.

Funston Link

This link points to "Yahoo Expert" Brandon Funstons recent column on tight end help. Here's the quote from the Colston paragraph, "1. Marques Colston, NO – OK, so he's not really a tight end, but he's built like one and, more importantly, he has eligibility at TE in the Yahoo! game. For that reason, he's a must pickup, if the opportunity to do so still exists in your league."

And this is coming from a Yahoo employee. This is just part of the game so quit whining.

 

[FFdork]

I have a 1st year dynasty league where this is an issue. It's actually the commish of the league that picked him up. I would have drafted him had I realized he was elligable as a TE. We start 3 WRs and 1 mandatory TE, so I doubt there's anything he can do unless the league hosting changes his designation (even if he could do something, he may be a little biased on the issue since Colston is on his team ). Anyway, since our league has no type of flex spot, we can't make an artificial rule to only play him as a WR since he's only designated as a TE. It's annoying, but what are you going to do? Everyone had a shot at him since it's a FFA waiver wire.

 

[bjabrad]

Yahoo's rules regarding the issue are as follows:

At the beginning of the Fantasy Football season, Yahoo! Sports placed all players into positions based on information from official rosters. Some players might appear in multiple position lists and are eligible to fill any of those positions.In-season updates to position eligibility are made only if it is clear that the player's primary position has changed. Players do not lose position eligibility at any time during the season.Please note that players might not be eligible for all of the positions that are displayed on their Yahoo! Sports player profile.

You will NOT see this changed during this season. They can only add positions, not drop them. And like another poster has already stated, Colston was most likely added via free agency after the draft, thus giving all owners equal opportunity to grab him up. It's not that owner's fault you slept on it. If you force him to be unable to start him at TE position, you should be courteous to give back the roster move (assuming you have limited moves like my leagues do).As some of you may note, I have Colston in both of my Yahoo leagues, so I may sound biased. However, in each league, I personally asked the commish if they had a problem with me using Colston as a TE before doing so. I picked him up prior to week 1 in one league. I've since had 3 owners offering trades, from which he most likely wouldn't have gotten if he was simply listed as WR. After Shockey's bye week, I'll most likely take the best offer. I know that this is looked down upon by some of you, but I simply don't care. Both of my leagues are friendly non-money leagues. And I'm not asking of anyone's approval. I'm simply stating my opinion (as it applies to my situation). As you were...

set up the league do your draft, if you have issues in season put it up to league vote but IMO everyone is jealous that this guy beat you to the punch and played "the game" better than you. Loopholes are part of the game. It's competition, it's strategy and you're trying to turn this into kids soccer where you don't keep score? If you're not pushing the envelope you're a loser. If you're a lineman and never hold then you're a loser. If you play basketball and never foul then you're a loser. If you play fantasy football and didn't pickup Colston first for your TE then you're a loser.

 

[bentley]

Yahoo sucks!M Colston is listed as a WR,TEI asked the owner in my league who has him to not play him at TE and only use him in the WR slot. He is sort of refusing.I emailed Yahoo and they wont be changing his eligibility anytime this season.Colston never played TE, not in college or in the Pre-Season, from what I have researched. Therefor it is totally lame that he is eligible as a TE in Fantasy Football.As the commish of the league how should I handle this. Its a group of all friends too, thats the other problem, I could see him refusing and being a **** about it if he had no idea who we were, but thats not the case.Sorry if this is in the wrong Forum but didnt know where to post itThanks for the help

The way I see it, the optimal choice would have been to set a source for positions prior to the season started as mentioned. Honestly, that's something I've never thought of, but will probably do before next season. Failing that, you should either:- Let the chips fall where they may regarding positions.- Make a decision (either by the commissioner or through a league vote) on Colston as soon as he was picked up. If we played Yahoo! and that happened in my league, I would have probably said "Bobby, you know that Colston will only be eligible at WR this year regardless of what Yahoo! says."If you're past that point, I think you have to let the guy play Colston at whatever position he's eligible for.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

NFL.COM - MARQUES COLSTON

Position: WR

Height: 6-4

Weight: 231

Born: 06/05/1983

College: Hofstra

NFL Experience: Rookie

Open and shut case.

# 45 Mike Sellers Position: TE

Height: 6-3

Weight: 277

Born: 07/21/1975

College: Walla Walla CC WA

NFL Experience: 7

Yahoo has him as a RB....do you threaten and demand the people in your league that he must be played as a TE only?

Haven't followed Sellers' progression. My point - and I could not care less how you feel about it - is that this is a Yahoo error. As the commissioner in a league that includes guys who don't even know how the sport is played, I made a judgment call to keep things fair. IMO, the guy who has Colston essentially has an extra guy on his team because he can be played at two positions (different than your example, btw). I don't think this is fair. Again, if the internet did not exist we would not be having this discussion. What compelling evidence exists that Colston is a tight end now? I see Ernie Conwell as the TE. When I informed the owner of Colston's status, I told him if he can convince me otherwise then I would allow it.

LINK

"Manning the wide outs for the Saints are Joe Horn, with rookie Marques Colston and Devery Henderson dividing playing time on the other side. Ernie Conwell is penciled in at tight end."

And if I was in your league I would tell you that Yahoo has him as a TE/WR if you have a problem with that then don't use Yahoo. Why penalize someone for paying attention?? I'm not arguing with you that his position is wrong, and yes Yahoo should have him as a WR, but you get what you pay for don't you? Dont me a cheap ###, and go with a decent site and this becomes a moot point doesn't it?

Everyone in your league, including yourself, had the opportunity to pick this player up and play him accordingly. For god's sake, he is a servicable TE/WR anyway, so what difference does it make?

This is a good point. I would have been fine with a pay league. I am in MFL and RT leagues elsewhere. But the guys didn't want to pay for a league but did want me to run it. Never used Yahoo before so I didn't anticipate the service being ####ty. But all in all, yahoo pretty much sucks.

 

[bjabrad]

Quote "My point - and I could not care less how you feel about it - is that this is a Yahoo error. As the commissioner in a league that includes guys who don't even know how the sport is played, I made a judgment call to keep things fair. IMO, the guy who has Colston essentially has an extra guy on his team because he can be played at two positions (different than your example, btw). I don't think this is fair."

This is funny to me,,,a fantasy football league with training wheels. Remiinds me of the funny fantasy football commercial where a shark is telling a guppy that both the Mannings retired "thanks man, you're buddy is a genius".

Guys, this isn't anything new. It happens a lot in fantasy football as well as in basketball and baseball with guys being given position eligibility for positions that they don't really play. If you're just learniing about this then either you haven't been paying attention or you are new to the game and have unrealistic expectations.

Good topic since it sounds like a lot of people were unfamiliar with this aspect of fantasy sports games and this can serve as a learning experience.

 

[bentley]

NFL.COM - MARQUES COLSTON

Position: WR

Height: 6-4

Weight: 231

Born: 06/05/1983

College: Hofstra

NFL Experience: Rookie

Open and shut case.

# 45 Mike Sellers Position: TE

Height: 6-3

Weight: 277

Born: 07/21/1975

College: Walla Walla CC WA

NFL Experience: 7

Yahoo has him as a RB....do you threaten and demand the people in your league that he must be played as a TE only?

Haven't followed Sellers' progression. My point - and I could not care less how you feel about it - is that this is a Yahoo error. As the commissioner in a league that includes guys who don't even know how the sport is played, I made a judgment call to keep things fair. IMO, the guy who has Colston essentially has an extra guy on his team because he can be played at two positions (different than your example, btw). I don't think this is fair. Again, if the internet did not exist we would not be having this discussion. What compelling evidence exists that Colston is a tight end now? I see Ernie Conwell as the TE. When I informed the owner of Colston's status, I told him if he can convince me otherwise then I would allow it.

LINK

"Manning the wide outs for the Saints are Joe Horn, with rookie Marques Colston and Devery Henderson dividing playing time on the other side. Ernie Conwell is penciled in at tight end."

And if I was in your league I would tell you that Yahoo has him as a TE/WR if you have a problem with that then don't use Yahoo. Why penalize someone for paying attention?? I'm not arguing with you that his position is wrong, and yes Yahoo should have him as a WR, but you get what you pay for don't you? Dont me a cheap ###, and go with a decent site and this becomes a moot point doesn't it?

Everyone in your league, including yourself, had the opportunity to pick this player up and play him accordingly. For god's sake, he is a servicable TE/WR anyway, so what difference does it make?

This is a good point. I would have been fine with a pay league. I am in MFL and RT leagues elsewhere. But the guys didn't want to pay for a league but did want me to run it. Never used Yahoo before so I didn't anticipate the service being ####ty. But all in all, yahoo pretty much sucks.

Use AOL's free service next time if you don't way to pay for it. It's vastly superior to Yahoo!

 

[thayman]

NFL.COM - MARQUES COLSTON

Position: WR

Height: 6-4

Weight: 231

Born: 06/05/1983

College: Hofstra

NFL Experience: Rookie

Open and shut case.

# 45 Mike Sellers Position: TE

Height: 6-3

Weight: 277

Born: 07/21/1975

College: Walla Walla CC WA

NFL Experience: 7

Yahoo has him as a RB....do you threaten and demand the people in your league that he must be played as a TE only?

Haven't followed Sellers' progression. My point - and I could not care less how you feel about it - is that this is a Yahoo error. As the commissioner in a league that includes guys who don't even know how the sport is played, I made a judgment call to keep things fair. IMO, the guy who has Colston essentially has an extra guy on his team because he can be played at two positions (different than your example, btw). I don't think this is fair. Again, if the internet did not exist we would not be having this discussion. What compelling evidence exists that Colston is a tight end now? I see Ernie Conwell as the TE. When I informed the owner of Colston's status, I told him if he can convince me otherwise then I would allow it.

LINK

"Manning the wide outs for the Saints are Joe Horn, with rookie Marques Colston and Devery Henderson dividing playing time on the other side. Ernie Conwell is penciled in at tight end."

And if I was in your league I would tell you that Yahoo has him as a TE/WR if you have a problem with that then don't use Yahoo. Why penalize someone for paying attention?? I'm not arguing with you that his position is wrong, and yes Yahoo should have him as a WR, but you get what you pay for don't you? Dont me a cheap ###, and go with a decent site and this becomes a moot point doesn't it?

Everyone in your league, including yourself, had the opportunity to pick this player up and play him accordingly. For god's sake, he is a servicable TE/WR anyway, so what difference does it make?

This is a good point. I would have been fine with a pay league. I am in MFL and RT leagues elsewhere. But the guys didn't want to pay for a league but did want me to run it. Never used Yahoo before so I didn't anticipate the service being ####ty. But all in all, yahoo pretty much sucks.

Yahoo just blows, that's pretty much the long and short of it.....

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Sandeman - you need to get off your high horse.

Of course he should be allowed to use Colston as a tight end in any league that allows him TE eligibility.

Funston Link

This link points to "Yahoo Expert" Brandon Funstons recent column on tight end help. Here's the quote from the Colston paragraph, "1. Marques Colston, NO – OK, so he's not really a tight end, but he's built like one and, more importantly, he has eligibility at TE in the Yahoo! game. For that reason, he's a must pickup, if the opportunity to do so still exists in your league."

And this is coming from a Yahoo employee. This is just part of the game so quit whining.

LOL. You're citing Funston as evidence that you are right? Of course he's going to pimp his site. He works for them. In fact, what he's saying is that Yahoo lists a player at a position that the player doesn't play. "OK, so he's not really a tight end, but he's built like one." That's the justification? Are you serious? Pathetic. But to some extent it is my fault for choosing to host the league on Yahoo. The service plain sucks.

 

[bjabrad]

Sandeman - you need to get off your high horse.

Of course he should be allowed to use Colston as a tight end in any league that allows him TE eligibility.

Funston Link

This link points to "Yahoo Expert" Brandon Funstons recent column on tight end help. Here's the quote from the Colston paragraph, "1. Marques Colston, NO – OK, so he's not really a tight end, but he's built like one and, more importantly, he has eligibility at TE in the Yahoo! game. For that reason, he's a must pickup, if the opportunity to do so still exists in your league."

And this is coming from a Yahoo employee. This is just part of the game so quit whining.

LOL. You're citing Funston as evidence that you are right? Of course he's going to pimp his site. He works for them. In fact, what he's saying is that Yahoo lists a player at a position that the player doesn't play. "OK, so he's not really a tight end, but he's built like one." That's the justification? Are you serious? Pathetic. But to some extent it is my fault for choosing to host the league on Yahoo. The service plain sucks.

You should start a new thread and discuss why Yahoo sucks. I'm curious what everyone doesn't like besides the position eligibility issue. I personally have enjoyed their service for many years now and have tried Sonic Sports as well as CBS. It's about time for a new Yahoo/CBS/MFL/etc,,,sucks thread now that the season is up and running and people have had a chance to test drive these services.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Sandeman - you need to get off your high horse.

Of course he should be allowed to use Colston as a tight end in any league that allows him TE eligibility.

Funston Link

This link points to "Yahoo Expert" Brandon Funstons recent column on tight end help. Here's the quote from the Colston paragraph, "1. Marques Colston, NO – OK, so he's not really a tight end, but he's built like one and, more importantly, he has eligibility at TE in the Yahoo! game. For that reason, he's a must pickup, if the opportunity to do so still exists in your league."

And this is coming from a Yahoo employee. This is just part of the game so quit whining.

LOL. You're citing Funston as evidence that you are right? Of course he's going to pimp his site. He works for them. In fact, what he's saying is that Yahoo lists a player at a position that the player doesn't play. "OK, so he's not really a tight end, but he's built like one." That's the justification? Are you serious? Pathetic. But to some extent it is my fault for choosing to host the league on Yahoo. The service plain sucks.

You should start a new thread and discuss why Yahoo sucks. I'm curious what everyone doesn't like besides the position eligibility issue. I personally have enjoyed their service for many years now and have tried Sonic Sports as well as CBS. It's about time for a new Yahoo/CBS/MFL/etc,,,sucks thread now that the season is up and running and people have had a chance to test drive these services.

I'd be happy to but I'm just about out the door for drinks and dinner. Will do it tomorrow if I get the time.

 

[rupricht]

Sandeman,

You're the kid who won't let others play with your toys.

Even though Colston is clearly a WR, he was drafted as a TE as others have pointed out. This is Yahoo's basis for giving him TE eligibility....it is not simply a mistake.

I believe Colston was also trained by New Orleans as a TE to a certain extent but then placed back at his familiar WR position. It is entirely feasible that with some TE injuries that Colston could lineup as a TE in some games this year.

So since Yahoo gave him WR/TE eligibility and are clearly aware of this(the Funston article encourages users to take advantage of this eligibility for the Yahoo game) all fantasy players using yahoo are clearly entitled to use Colston as they please.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Please.

If Vince Young is suddenly starting at wide receiver for the Titans and Yahoo lists him as a WR in addition to QB, I don't think it's fair to the league to let the owner play him as a QB.

Other legit, more reputable fantasy websites made the change to Colston. That's the right move IMO. It's a judgment call. You see it one way, I see it another.

 

[faulkfan]

Please.

If Vince Young is suddenly starting at wide receiver for the Titans and Yahoo lists him as a WR in addition to QB, I don't think it's fair to the league to let the owner play him as a QB.

Other legit, more reputable fantasy websites made the change to Colston. That's the right move IMO. It's a judgment call. You see it one way, I see it another.

Actually, when Kordell Stewart first showed up as a multiple position player we let our owner use him as a QB or WR because he was playing both at times more than just on gadget plays. Our feeling was, and we used no internet precedent to rely on, that since the reality was that he played multiple positions at different times with some regularity that he deserved to be used in either spot. Likewise, we did the same thing with Mike Sellers as TE and RB. Only in this case we did it because some sites had him listed as either one. This is a money league by the way. It is about being decent about issues that arise and avoiding pettiness. The guy who got to use Kordell at two positions if he wanted was my major competition, but sports is about competition and he deserves the chance to use his players the same way the real team does. Anyway, if the league is free then this is the most petty argument I've ever come across.

 

[stevegamer]

If Vince Young is suddenly starting at wide receiver for the Titans and Yahoo lists him as a WR in addition to QB, I don't think it's fair to the league to let the owner play him as a QB.

If Young or M. Robinson starts playing WR regularly why would they lose the eligibility at another position which they were drafted at?You would have needed to put these rules in ahead of time.Hmm. After reading the thread I think your solution is simple. Pick one:1. Don't ever commish again.2. Make sure you have rules that cover everything in the "your rules should cover this" thread.It sounds like you need to be in leagues with pay services. Good luck in the future.

 

[Lambert]

To me, the answer is very simple. If your league rules (established prior to the season starting) designate some outside authority from your league website (such as NFL.com) as controlling as to a player's position, then that's the rule, period, and Colston or whoever is a WR or RB/WR or TE/WR based on whatever NFL.com says it is.

If you don't have a rule designating some outside authority or some other special rule (again established prior to the season starting), then the player should have eligibility at whatever the website designates. If Yahoo does it one way and CBS Sportsline another way, so be it. Clean, simple, and fair to everyone. If people are unhappy in a Yahoo league with Colston having TE eligibility, then vote at the end of the season on a new rule for the FOLLOWING season that keys position eligibility to NFL.com or whatever.

What I don't want is an issue like this being up to the whim/discretion of the Commish.

 

[FFdork]

Actually, when Kordell Stewart first showed up as a multiple position player we let our owner use him as a QB or WR because he was playing both at times more than just on gadget plays. Our feeling was, and we used no internet precedent to rely on, that since the reality was that he played multiple positions at different times with some regularity that he deserved to be used in either spot. Likewise, we did the same thing with Mike Sellers as TE and RB. Only in this case we did it because some sites had him listed as either one.

Isn't that kind of beside the point? In those cases, the players involved were playing multiple positions. For Colston (and now M. Robinson), the biggest part of the issue is that he isn't/hasn't/won't play the TE position in the NFL. The designation is a relic of the draft. He's not listed as a TE on any depth chart I've seen. The only thing connecting him to the position of TE since he joined the Saints that I've seen is someone remembering he may have practiced at the position a bit in training camp. Since I've known who in the hell Colston was (midway through preseason), he has always been a WR and only a WR.All of that said, I still don't think you can try to change the rules midseason (and on many websites, even the commish can't change a players listed position). It's too bad this wasn't addressed by Yahoo and others before the season. If there's nothing in your league rules, I don't think it's fair to change them mid-season unless everyone in your league is OK with that.