I need pitching help - advice please (1 Viewer)

[ditka...mike ditka]

I have been offered Jake Peavy and Pat Burrell for Carlos Lee.

Here is my current team in a 10 team league

c Ramon Hernandez (Wieters)

1b Prince Fielder (Butler)

2b Brandon Phillips

3b Encarcion (AROD)

ss Jimmy Rollins

OF Carlos Lee (Damon)

OF Carl Crawford

OF Nate Mclouth

UT Carlos Pena

SP Carlos Zambrano (Baker, Carmona, Cook, Kawakemi, Duke)

SP Dice K

SP Erik Bedard

SP Chris Young

RP Brian Fuentes

This team has started out 0-4, and I am already behind by alot this week so its looking like an 0-5 start. The good thing is that its a total points league. Would you make this deal? Im thinking it solidfys my pitching (especially if Peavy gets traded), and then while I lose hitting points, Arod coming back will help me, and Johnny Damon/Burrell platoon isnt too bad.

 

[Statorama]

I have been offered Jake Peavy and Pat Burrell for Carlos Lee. Here is my current team in a 10 team leaguec Ramon Hernandez (Wieters)1b Prince Fielder (Butler)2b Brandon Phillips3b Encarcion (AROD)ss Jimmy RollinsOF Carlos Lee (Damon)OF Carl CrawfordOF Nate MclouthUT Carlos PenaSP Carlos Zambrano (Baker, Carmona, Cook, Kawakemi, Duke)SP Dice KSP Erik BedardSP Chris YoungRP Brian FuentesThis team has started out 0-4, and I am already behind by alot this week so its looking like an 0-5 start. The good thing is that its a total points league. Would you make this deal? Im thinking it solidfys my pitching (especially if Peavy gets traded), and then while I lose hitting points, Arod coming back will help me, and Johnny Damon/Burrell platoon isnt too bad.

Personally, I think you've got plenty of offense...especially with AROD coming back soon. Not knowing your specific league rules, I'll err on the side of them being the standards. I'd do it.

 

[hooter311]

Keep Lee and stream 2 start or hot pitchers.

Your rosters seem shallow enough that there is plenty of opportunity to implement this strategy.

When Carlos is on his game, he is a top 5 OF even without the steals this year. When Burrell is on top of his game he is going to hit 30 points less and not have any opportunity for steals.

Maybe its a luxury of playing in deeper rostered leagues, but I would never trade a player like Carlos Lee for any amount of pitching help.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

Haha, two opposite views. I knew that would happen! Here is the scoring:

Scoring for Batting Categories

1B - Singles 1 point

2B - Doubles 2 points

3B - Triples 3 points

BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point

CS - Caught Stealing -1 point

E - Errors -1 point

GDP - Ground Into Double Plays -1 point

GSHR - Grand Slam Home Runs 8 points

HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point

HR - Home Runs 4 points

KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -1 point

R - Runs 1 point

RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point

SB - Stolen Bases 1 point

Scoring for Pitching Categories

B - Balks -1 point

BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) 3+ BBIs = -1 point for every 3 BBIs

CG - Complete Games 5 points

ER - Earned Runs -1 point

1+ ER = -1 point for every 2 ERs

HA - Hits Allowed 1+ HA = -1 point for every 3 HAs

HB - Hit Batsmen -1 point

INN - Innings 0.5 points

1+ INN = 1 point for every 1 INN

K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point

L - Losses -2 points

NH - No-Hitters 10 points

S - Saves 2 points

SO - Shutouts 5 points

W - Wins 6 points

WP - Wild Pitches -1 point

 

[cosjobs]

Keep Lee and stream 2 start or hot pitchers. Your rosters seem shallow enough that there is plenty of opportunity to implement this strategy.When Carlos is on his game, he is a top 5 OF even without the steals this year. When Burrell is on top of his game he is going to hit 30 points less and not have any opportunity for steals.Maybe its a luxury of playing in deeper rostered leagues, but I would never trade a player like Carlos Lee for any amount of pitching help.

I agree with this. Richmond, Davies, numerous others still flying under the radar. No way I would trade lee for pitching

 

[Wrigley]

Keep Lee and stream 2 start or hot pitchers. Your rosters seem shallow enough that there is plenty of opportunity to implement this strategy.When Carlos is on his game, he is a top 5 OF even without the steals this year. When Burrell is on top of his game he is going to hit 30 points less and not have any opportunity for steals.Maybe its a luxury of playing in deeper rostered leagues, but I would never trade a player like Carlos Lee for any amount of pitching help.

I agree with this. Richmond, Davies, numerous others still flying under the radar. No way I would trade lee for pitching

I'll agree.....although I really like Peavy, he doesn't have a high enough K rate to warrant a hitter of Lee's stature.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

Keep Lee and stream 2 start or hot pitchers. Your rosters seem shallow enough that there is plenty of opportunity to implement this strategy.When Carlos is on his game, he is a top 5 OF even without the steals this year. When Burrell is on top of his game he is going to hit 30 points less and not have any opportunity for steals.Maybe its a luxury of playing in deeper rostered leagues, but I would never trade a player like Carlos Lee for any amount of pitching help.

I agree with this. Richmond, Davies, numerous others still flying under the radar. No way I would trade lee for pitching

Unfortunately those pitchers you mention are long gone. This league is pretty active and everyone seems to load up on pitchers

 

[guru_007]

I'll agree.....although I really like Peavy, he doesn't have a high enough K rate to warrant a hitter of Lee's stature.

He has 40 strikeouts in 39+ innings this year.Last year his k rate/ip was higher than Johan Santana's.For his career his K rate in 1 per inning. I'm not sure how you can say his k rate isn't high enough, it's elite.I can get onboard with not wanting to trade offense for pitching. But Carlos Lee is not an elite fantasy commodity. He's a nice outfielder who should get you 30 or so home runs, 100 rbi's, 85 or so runs, but he's getting older, doesn't run much any more, I think I'd rather have Peavy than Lee straight up.Oh, and no way when Carlos is on his game is he a top 5 outfielder, no effing way. Dude's hit more than 35 home runs exactly once in his career (37), plays on a poor offensive team, that's just crazy talk. Maybe top 15 outfielder for the year, maybe. Peavy pitching at Petco is a nice option to have.

 

[hooter311]

Keep Lee and stream 2 start or hot pitchers. Your rosters seem shallow enough that there is plenty of opportunity to implement this strategy.When Carlos is on his game, he is a top 5 OF even without the steals this year. When Burrell is on top of his game he is going to hit 30 points less and not have any opportunity for steals.Maybe its a luxury of playing in deeper rostered leagues, but I would never trade a player like Carlos Lee for any amount of pitching help.

I agree with this. Richmond, Davies, numerous others still flying under the radar. No way I would trade lee for pitching

Unfortunately those pitchers you mention are long gone. This league is pretty active and everyone seems to load up on pitchers

What about looking at it one scoring period at a time? 2 start sleepers for next week would be guys like:Justin Masterson (@ANA, @SEA)Manny Parra (FLA, @STL)Mitchell Boggs (@PIT, MIL)Scott Feldman (SEA, ANA)I would be comfortable starting any of those guys with your scoring system next week. The .5 pts per inning increases the value of 2 start pitchers as well. All of these guys have decent K rates and favorable matchups.It may not be as pretty, but it has worked for me.

 

[hooter311]

I'll agree.....although I really like Peavy, he doesn't have a high enough K rate to warrant a hitter of Lee's stature.

He has 40 strikeouts in 39+ innings this year.Last year his k rate/ip was higher than Johan Santana's.For his career his K rate in 1 per inning. I'm not sure how you can say his k rate isn't high enough, it's elite.I can get onboard with not wanting to trade offense for pitching. But Carlos Lee is not an elite fantasy commodity. He's a nice outfielder who should get you 30 or so home runs, 100 rbi's, 85 or so runs, but he's getting older, doesn't run much any more, I think I'd rather have Peavy than Lee straight up.Oh, and no way when Carlos is on his game is he a top 5 outfielder, no effing way. Dude's hit more than 35 home runs exactly once in his career (37), plays on a poor offensive team, that's just crazy talk. Maybe top 15 outfielder for the year, maybe. Peavy pitching at Petco is a nice option to have.

Lee was easily a top 5 fantasy OF last year before we went down with a broken pinkie. 100 RBI in 436 AB? Especially when he had a guy like Bourne and his terrible OBP leading off the first part of the season.Not to mention he was hitting .316 and he is as good as a lock as anyone for a .300 BA. The only OFs that hit for a better average were Ordonez and Manny last season.His runs do lag behind some of the other OF talent that hit higher in the order, but they are not that far behind.Lee still hasn't gotten his stroke back recovering from his pinkie, his stats will only improve. With better top of the order hitting in front of him and Tejada at least hitting for average for protection, Lee could easily have 120 RBIs.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

Keep Lee and stream 2 start or hot pitchers. Your rosters seem shallow enough that there is plenty of opportunity to implement this strategy.When Carlos is on his game, he is a top 5 OF even without the steals this year. When Burrell is on top of his game he is going to hit 30 points less and not have any opportunity for steals.Maybe its a luxury of playing in deeper rostered leagues, but I would never trade a player like Carlos Lee for any amount of pitching help.

I agree with this. Richmond, Davies, numerous others still flying under the radar. No way I would trade lee for pitching

Unfortunately those pitchers you mention are long gone. This league is pretty active and everyone seems to load up on pitchers

What about looking at it one scoring period at a time? 2 start sleepers for next week would be guys like:Justin Masterson (@ANA, @SEA)Manny Parra (FLA, @STL)Mitchell Boggs (@PIT, MIL)Scott Feldman (SEA, ANA)I would be comfortable starting any of those guys with your scoring system next week. The .5 pts per inning increases the value of 2 start pitchers as well. All of these guys have decent K rates and favorable matchups.It may not be as pretty, but it has worked for me.

This could work. The only thing is that it is $5 per transaction...so it could get costly.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

The -6 for losses hurts sometimes as well with those 2 start pitchers who arent great

 

[hooter311]

This could work. The only thing is that it is $5 per transaction...so it could get costly.

If its $5 a transaction and the winning prize is less than $1500 I would do the trade if are leaning towards it because you have rationalized getting value for your players and Peavy will save you at least $40 in streaming costs.

 

[cosjobs]

Can you give us a list of avail pitchers?

Baker? Parra? Millwood? etc. I find it hard to believe there aren't a couple of quality guys under the radar in a 10 team league with 23 man rosters.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

Can you give us a list of avail pitchers?Baker? Parra? Millwood? etc. I find it hard to believe there aren't a couple of quality guys under the radar in a 10 team league with 23 man rosters.

Here are the top 30 available based on points ytdPlayer FPTSMarquis, Jason SP COL 63Washburn, Jarrod SP SEA 57Braden, Dallas SP OAK 54Bailey, Andrew SP OAK 53Maholm, Paul SP PIT 51Martis, Shairon SP WAS 48Pineiro, Joel SP STL 47McCarthy, Brandon SP TEX 45Guthrie, Jeremy SP BAL 43Looper, Braden SP MIL 43Perkins, Glen SP MIN 43Bush, Dave SP MIL 42Ohlendorf, Ross SP PIT 41Masterson, Justin SP BOS 40Moyer, Jamie SP PHI 40Colon, Bartolo SP CHW 39Hampton, Mike SP HOU 37Stults, Eric SP LA 36Pavano, Carl SP CLE 34Laffey, Aaron SP CLE 33Blackburn, Nick SP MIN 32Feldman, Scott SP TEX 32Hernandez, Livan SP NYM 32Gutierrez, Juan SP ARI 31Snell, Ian SP PIT 31Loux, Shane RP ANA 30Suppan, Jeff SP MIL 30Boggs, Mitchell SP STL 29Porcello, Rick SP DET 29

 

[cosjobs]

I like Masterson. Perkins and McCarthy could be pretty good. Is Escobar available? He could be back in a week or two.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

I like Masterson. Perkins and McCarthy could be pretty good. Is Escobar available? He could be back in a week or two.

Escobar is available...is he worth dropping someone for?

 

[guru_007]

I like Masterson. Perkins and McCarthy could be pretty good. Is Escobar available? He could be back in a week or two.

Escobar is available...is he worth dropping someone for?

I still say you should do the trade.Masterson is nice, but Smoltz is coming back, Dice K is coming back, how many more starts do you realistically expect out of him.

Escobar is hurt and hasn't really pitched in 2 years now.

Perkins is probably serviceable, but not going to really be a stud.

Oh, and Peavy last night 12 k's in 7 innings. Pretty decent K/ratio, imho.