I want to start hearing the excuses... (1 Viewer)

[ROBOPUNTER]

The TDs were just a case of opportunity. ANYBODY could have gotten those

Best ran over Brian Urlacher on the second touchdown. You try it.PS: Apparently Matt Forte is not anybody.

This is just awful. So part of Jahvid Best's defense is "I bet YOU can't do what he did" Just awful.

 

[mbuehner]

The TDs were just a case of opportunity. ANYBODY could have gotten those

Best ran over Brian Urlacher on the second touchdown. You try it.PS: Apparently Matt Forte is not anybody.

This is just awful. So part of Jahvid Best's defense is "I bet YOU can't do what he did" Just awful.

Err... did you miss the 'ANYBODY could have gotten those' touchdowns jibe? I'm just confused- if Best is so terrible, how did he score those 2 goalline touchdowns. I assume it was the same o-line against the same Bears D on a short field. Stating that 'anybody' can score redzone TDs is what's awful. Like I said, Matt Forte didn't seem to qualify and it should have cost the Bears the game.

 

[kingsofromance]

The TDs were just a case of opportunity. ANYBODY could have gotten those

Best ran over Brian Urlacher on the second touchdown. You try it.PS: Apparently Matt Forte is not anybody.

This is just awful. So part of Jahvid Best's defense is "I bet YOU can't do what he did" Just awful.

Err... did you miss the 'ANYBODY could have gotten those' touchdowns jibe? I'm just confused- if Best is so terrible, how did he score those 2 goalline touchdowns. I assume it was the same o-line against the same Bears D on a short field. Stating that 'anybody' can score redzone TDs is what's awful. Like I said, Matt Forte didn't seem to qualify and it should have cost the Bears the game.

Did you miss the 1.4 yards per carry, yeah you are right he is a manbeast. I am wrong. A bus could have driven through the hole on the 1st one. Any NFL RB would have made those TDs. I stand by that. 1.4....1.4.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

1. Chicago played a great defensive game at home.

2. Uhrlacher returned, so this is not the same as last year's Bear's defense.

3. The Bears played their safeties in, and Detroit did not try to stretch the field for the first 3 quarters.

This puzzles me as the conventional shark pool wisdom is that CJ keeps you from putting 8 in the box and someone like Best keeps the D honest insofar as covering CJ.So how did Chicago manage to contain both of them without Schwartz, who last year we learned is a genius, making them pay?

Beats me. The Lions refused to stretch the field. I don't recall Johnson even being targeted more than once in the first half. Even the broadcasters commented about it.

Maybe it's because the part about the Bears playing 8 in the box all game long is completely made up.This is how it goes with the Lions on this forum. Everything is everyone else's fault and it's all cyclical. In the Calvin Johnson threads he has bad games because he's being triple covered on every play. In the running back threads they have bad games because the defense is stacking the box every play. In the Stafford threads he's having bad games because the defense isn't respecting the running game. It all contradicts each other.

The truth is, teams don't have to stack the box against their crappy O-line to make it seem like they're stacking the box.

 

[Riflemen]

Buy low. I've got several guys sniffing around Best. I'm standing pat unless they wow me with an offer.

 

[mbuehner]

The TDs were just a case of opportunity. ANYBODY could have gotten those

Best ran over Brian Urlacher on the second touchdown. You try it.PS: Apparently Matt Forte is not anybody.

This is just awful. So part of Jahvid Best's defense is "I bet YOU can't do what he did" Just awful.

Err... did you miss the 'ANYBODY could have gotten those' touchdowns jibe? I'm just confused- if Best is so terrible, how did he score those 2 goalline touchdowns. I assume it was the same o-line against the same Bears D on a short field. Stating that 'anybody' can score redzone TDs is what's awful. Like I said, Matt Forte didn't seem to qualify and it should have cost the Bears the game.

Did you miss the 1.4 yards per carry, yeah you are right he is a manbeast. I am wrong. A bus could have driven through the hole on the 1st one. Any NFL RB would have made those TDs. I stand by that. 1.4....1.4.

Then you are a dolt. Matt Forte couldn't score from 2 feet out. Is he an NFL RB?

 

[eoMMan]

You should start a thread about Turner only averaging 2.2 yard a carry AND not scoring.....that would be a riveting thread.

 

[dagwood]

against the 23rd ranked run defense last year..it's only one game but Kevin Smith could have done betterLet me have it

Clearly the Bears are not the 23rd ranked run defense this year!That is the only proper conclusion to draw!

 

[dagwood]

Refresh my memory, how many first downs did the lions have in the second half?

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

The TDs were just a case of opportunity. ANYBODY could have gotten those

Best ran over Brian Urlacher on the second touchdown. You try it.PS: Apparently Matt Forte is not anybody.

This is just awful. So part of Jahvid Best's defense is "I bet YOU can't do what he did" Just awful.

Err... did you miss the 'ANYBODY could have gotten those' touchdowns jibe? I'm just confused- if Best is so terrible, how did he score those 2 goalline touchdowns. I assume it was the same o-line against the same Bears D on a short field. Stating that 'anybody' can score redzone TDs is what's awful. Like I said, Matt Forte didn't seem to qualify and it should have cost the Bears the game.

Didn't miss anything. I just addressed your horrible post. But please, keep going.

 

[LMF]

best was 17 for 6 when going to the left but only 3 for 8 when going to the right inlcuding 4 of those carries loosing yards. That doesnt exactly scream bust. Seems more like an O-Line problem / Good defensive play.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

1. Chicago played a great defensive game at home.

2. Uhrlacher returned, so this is not the same as last year's Bear's defense.

3. The Bears played their safeties in, and Detroit did not try to stretch the field for the first 3 quarters.

This puzzles me as the conventional shark pool wisdom is that CJ keeps you from putting 8 in the box and someone like Best keeps the D honest insofar as covering CJ.So how did Chicago manage to contain both of them without Schwartz, who last year we learned is a genius, making them pay?

Beats me. The Lions refused to stretch the field. I don't recall Johnson even being targeted more than once in the first half. Even the broadcasters commented about it.

Maybe it's because the part about the Bears playing 8 in the box all game long is completely made up.This is how it goes with the Lions on this forum. Everything is everyone else's fault and it's all cyclical. In the Calvin Johnson threads he has bad games because he's being triple covered on every play. In the running back threads they have bad games because the defense is stacking the box every play. In the Stafford threads he's having bad games because the defense isn't respecting the running game. It all contradicts each other.

The truth is, teams don't have to stack the box against their crappy O-line to make it seem like they're stacking the box.

I think I have figured out why the Lions have been so bad lately. They've been playing against 15 players on defense this whole time! 8 in the box, plus 3 guys on Calvin, plus 2 other CBs, please 2 safeties. No wonder those guys get shut down

 

[LMF]

QUOTE (kingsofromance @ Sep 11 2010, 09:18 AM)

QUOTE (kingsofromance @ Sep 10 2010, 11:26 PM)

One positive prediction...BMW is the biggest story all year long in the NFL goes for 1200+ yds 12 TDS and 85-95 catches. Top 5 WR.

One Negative prediction..J Best turns out to be a MAJOR bust. 500 yds rushing 150 Receiving, and 2 TDs only plays 10 games. and the Lions still stink badly. Lions win one game. Most people on this forum get their heads examined for ever comparing him to Barry Sanders.

Get back with me after he gets 40 yards rushing against the Bears. The Bears are NOT a good football team but even they will handle him....

Really...He got 20 yards and 16 recieving...A COMBINED 36 yards!!!!!!!!!!! I know others will point out the 2 TDs. The TDs were just a case of opportunity. ANYBODY could have gotten those...20 yards!! I love being right. BTW I am sticking by my totals including TDs!! I doubt he sees the endzone ever again this season!!!

Here's what I posted yesterday...Looks like there is only one Barry Sanders... Some guys named Moonlight disagreed He needs to eat crow.....eat it eat it...

Hmm hard to be convinced that TD's are a "case of opportunity" when Forte had 19 GOAL LINE RUSHING ATTEMPTS last year and only had 2 TD's. Not redzone attempts but goal line attempts. His TD runs were two of his longest runs of the day. Hard to say thats opportunity.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

How does Best have his own disappointing thread when Spiller had a much worse game?

Spiller- 7 carries 6 yards, 4 receptions 8 yards.

Best- 14 carries 20 yards, 5 receptions 16 yards and 2 TDs

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

How does Best have his own disappointing thread when Spiller had a much worse game?Spiller- 7 carries 6 yards, 4 receptions 8 yards.Best- 14 carries 20 yards, 5 receptions 16 yards and 2 TDs

For starters, there isn't a religion founded on CJ Spiller's youtube highlights.

 

[rizzler]

I'll make this quick...

Each of those making a BIG deal out of how poorly he played (funny, he outscored goth Gore and SJax on my roster) don't have Best on their team...

Just leave them be...

Anyone here who CLAIMS TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE, or better yet, an effing "SHARK" and says Best is a bust after ONE performance in which he scored quite highly.... should just be banned for clearly only coming to start a flame war.

Get real you simpletons.

I bet you're also the same doorknobs who claim "if Chris Johnson didn't bust off that 80yd td, he ends the game with 60/1"....

stop wasting your time.

 

[Sam Quentin]

The hawks know that there is lot of overreaction and underreaction in this thread.

Best will have some games, but he is still playing on a crappy team with a crappy O-line. Overcoming these two obstacles to success will not be as easy to overcome as many Best backers thouught.

The Bears have a good D. There's no denying that either.

On the plus side, he showed he can punch it in.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I suppose it's possible that they could be a better defense than last year's result.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I'll make this quick...Each of those making a BIG deal out of how poorly he played (funny, he outscored goth Gore and SJax on my roster) don't have Best on their team...Just leave them be... Anyone here who CLAIMS TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE, or better yet, an effing "SHARK" and says Best is a bust after ONE performance in which he scored quite highly.... should just be banned for clearly only coming to start a flame war.Get real you simpletons. I bet you're also the same doorknobs who claim "if Chris Johnson didn't bust off that 80yd td, he ends the game with 60/1".... stop wasting your time.

 

[switz]

This what I learned from the game:

Jahvid Best is NOT Barry Sanders - a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

Matt Forte is STILL a bad RB. The kid simply is not a good runner. He's good in FF due to his receptions... but he is really a crappy runner from an NFL perspective.

 

[ImTheScientist]

This what I learned from the game:a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

If this is serious you need to GTFO.

 

[Clifford]

He looked like a rookie RB that was overwhelmed by the pressure and speed of the Bears. OMFG.

 

[switz]

This what I learned from the game:a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

If this is serious you need to GTFO.

Do you have a counter argument? Or just like hurling insults?I'm sorry if you really like Best, but here's the reality. He had 3 carries for 19 yards, and 11 more carries for 1 yard. I'll give that CHI was in the backfield a lot, but I didn't see much from Best that lived up to the hype. Unless is your mind 14-20 is a good game. His TDs were pretty easy, good blocking up front, nothing special. Definitely nothing to draw comparisons to Barry Sanders.

 

[Tau837]

This what I learned from the game:

Jahvid Best is NOT Barry Sanders - a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

Matt Forte is STILL a bad RB. The kid simply is not a good runner. He's good in FF due to his receptions... but he is really a crappy runner from an NFL perspective.

at the bolded

 

[gregjcross]

worst thread ever.

I never thought I would call a thread out as the worst, but this truly warrants it. Its ONE WEEK! I dont own Best in any leagues.

 

[jurb26]

I'm not going to bother to read through this entire thread as it seems rather pointless. I'd just like to add that the Det offense is not going to improve until the Oline improves. Best can't do it on his own. If anything Best is the kind of guy that you need to get into space so having running lanes is maybe more crucial to him than other guys who are more adept at breaking tackles. Lot's of folks around here were saying that they thought the Det Oline made enough improvements to sustain quality fantasy production from the great skill guys in Det. I wasn't so sure and heading into the season and this game certainly did nothing to help my skepticism.

 

[gregjcross]

This what I learned from the game:a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

If this is serious you need to GTFO.

Do you have a counter argument? Or just like hurling insults?I'm sorry if you really like Best, but here's the reality. He had 3 carries for 19 yards, and 11 more carries for 1 yard. I'll give that CHI was in the backfield a lot, but I didn't see much from Best that lived up to the hype. Unless is your mind 14-20 is a good game. His TDs were pretty easy, good blocking up front, nothing special. Definitely nothing to draw comparisons to Barry Sanders.

Hey Switz, two years ago you compared Ray Rice to Ericht Rhett, yes the slow as hell Tampa back from 1995. He and Rice have *absolutely nothing in common* other than that both are under six feet tall and played their careers on the East Coast. But I believe at the time (kind of like now with Jahvid Best) you were making a point about Rice not being special. I suppose you can still argue Rice is nothing special and that Rhett was pretty good, and I am sure you will. So, just saying

 

[switz]

This what I learned from the game:a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

If this is serious you need to GTFO.

Do you have a counter argument? Or just like hurling insults?I'm sorry if you really like Best, but here's the reality. He had 3 carries for 19 yards, and 11 more carries for 1 yard. I'll give that CHI was in the backfield a lot, but I didn't see much from Best that lived up to the hype. Unless is your mind 14-20 is a good game. His TDs were pretty easy, good blocking up front, nothing special. Definitely nothing to draw comparisons to Barry Sanders.

Hey Switz, two years ago you compared Ray Rice to Ericht Rhett, yes the slow as hell Tampa back from 1995. He and Rice have *absolutely nothing in common* other than that both are under six feet tall and played their careers on the East Coast. But I believe at the time (kind of like now with Jahvid Best) you were making a point about Rice not being special. I suppose you can still argue Rice is nothing special and that Rhett was pretty good, and I am sure you will. So, just saying

I didn't compare Best to Barry Sanders. I'm saying they don't compare. Other people were the ones comparing him to Sanders.As for Rice versus Rhett - I don't even recall making that comparison, or perhaps you're twisting what I said then like you are attempting to twist what I said here.

 

[Fred Lane]

I can imagine the coach's comments on Best:

"He wasn't able to get hard, but still made her have two orgasms..."

 

[DoubleG]

This what I learned from the game:

Jahvid Best is NOT Barry Sanders - a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

Matt Forte is STILL a bad RB. The kid simply is not a good runner. He's good in FF due to his receptions... but he is really a crappy runner from an NFL perspective.

at the bolded

Now, to be fair to switz, I beleive he meant in terms of "game speed". Watching the game, I'd have to actually agree with him. Best, while a nice RB, didn't seem to have the speed/elusiveness that some people had been pining about. Perhaps he was a rookie, alittle overwhelmed in his firts NFL regular season game. Perhaps he will be quicker on turf than on shoddy Soldier Field grass. Perhaps the Bears defense if faster than many others he will face this season. Now, Switz's second part about Forte...well let's just say the good posting emo got shelved as soon as I saw that.

 

[Clifford]

I'm not going to bother to read through this entire thread as it seems rather pointless. I'd just like to add that the Det offense is not going to improve until the Oline improves. Best can't do it on his own. If anything Best is the kind of guy that you need to get into space so having running lanes is maybe more crucial to him than other guys who are more adept at breaking tackles. Lot's of folks around here were saying that they thought the Det Oline made enough improvements to sustain quality fantasy production from the great skill guys in Det. I wasn't so sure and heading into the season and this game certainly did nothing to help my skepticism.

Despite this devolving into Best Sux v It's One Game there is a lot to make reasoned anaylsis on from this game:Is the DET O-Line that bad or is the Bears revamped front 7 that good?Does the loss of Stafford really hurt Best in terms of how other teams gameplan for them and in terms of whether Hill is more or less likely to get Best the ball in space?These are the legit questions we should be discussing instead of a Bust v Overreaction simplification of this very fluid situation.

 

[mbuehner]

This what I learned from the game:

Jahvid Best is NOT Barry Sanders - a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

Matt Forte is STILL a bad RB. The kid simply is not a good runner. He's good in FF due to his receptions... but he is really a crappy runner from an NFL perspective.

at the bolded

Now, to be fair to switz, I beleive he meant in terms of "game speed". Watching the game, I'd have to actually agree with him. Best, while a nice RB, didn't seem to have the speed/elusiveness that some people had been pining about. Perhaps he was a rookie, alittle overwhelmed in his firts NFL regular season game. Perhaps he will be quicker on turf than on shoddy Soldier Field grass. Perhaps the Bears defense if faster than many others he will face this season. Now, Switz's second part about Forte...well let's just say the good posting emo got shelved as soon as I saw that.

I think he's right about Forte... and we never agree on running backs. I own Forte in one league and i'm deeply concerned. He's an excellent receiving RB, which makes him an excellent 3rd down back, which makes him Chester Taylor, who is also on the team. As far as straight ahead running, he is tentative, not explosive through the hole, and never a danger to break a tackle much less run anybody over. Obviously he doesn't have the push for a goalline back, nor the wiggle to sneak it in. All that spells splitting time if the Bears can find somebody that can do those things better. That being said there are a lot of fantasy points to be made for a receiving RB in a Martz offense, as we saw yesterday. But don't be fooled either, Forte certainly isn't a top 10 back this year.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

The TDs were just a case of opportunity. ANYBODY could have gotten those

Best ran over Brian Urlacher on the second touchdown. You try it.PS: Apparently Matt Forte is not anybody.

This is just awful. So part of Jahvid Best's defense is "I bet YOU can't do what he did" Just awful.

Err... did you miss the 'ANYBODY could have gotten those' touchdowns jibe? I'm just confused- if Best is so terrible, how did he score those 2 goalline touchdowns. I assume it was the same o-line against the same Bears D on a short field. Stating that 'anybody' can score redzone TDs is what's awful. Like I said, Matt Forte didn't seem to qualify and it should have cost the Bears the game.

Did you miss the 1.4 yards per carry, yeah you are right he is a manbeast. I am wrong. A bus could have driven through the hole on the 1st one. Any NFL RB would have made those TDs. I stand by that. 1.4....1.4.

LOL your like a little Kid... Are you for real? Im being serious you may be the most immature poster in the Shark Pool and that's saying allot.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

This what I learned from the game:

Jahvid Best is NOT Barry Sanders - a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

Matt Forte is STILL a bad RB. The kid simply is not a good runner. He's good in FF due to his receptions... but he is really a crappy runner from an NFL perspective.

at the bolded

Now, to be fair to switz, I beleive he meant in terms of "game speed". Watching the game, I'd have to actually agree with him. Best, while a nice RB, didn't seem to have the speed/elusiveness that some people had been pining about. Perhaps he was a rookie, alittle overwhelmed in his firts NFL regular season game. Perhaps he will be quicker on turf than on shoddy Soldier Field grass. Perhaps the Bears defense if faster than many others he will face this season. Now, Switz's second part about Forte...well let's just say the good posting emo got shelved as soon as I saw that.

Switz has never liked Forte and refuses to change his mind ever. But yet again....he thinks Felix Jones will be a #1 RB in the NFL and he again proved that isn't going to be the case.Forte proved two things yest. 1) He is a poor GL RB 2) He has his speed/quickness/agility back after injuries.

Forte and Taylor both had poor YPC....Suh was the real deal yesterday.

 

[switz]

Hey Switz, two years ago you compared Ray Rice to Ericht Rhett, yes the slow as hell Tampa back from 1995. He and Rice have *absolutely nothing in common* other than that both are under six feet tall and played their careers on the East Coast.

But I believe at the time (kind of like now with Jahvid Best) you were making a point about Rice not being special. I suppose you can still argue Rice is nothing special and that Rhett was pretty good, and I am sure you will. So, just saying

Haha... you sent me on a search trying to dig that up to see what I was thinking...Here is the full post...

Ray Rice - Maurice Jones Drew

Not in the same league? They practically mirror each other

MJD is faster and more of a home run threat. Otherwise it's not a bad comparison.Rice reminds me of a lot of successful backs, but he's not a mirror image of any of them.

Rice = Errict Rhett

I was being sarcastic. As you can see I wasn't even really involved in the thread going between yourself and the others... I just popped in and posted that for fun.ETA - I hate the limited number of quote blocks!

 

[switz]

Switz has never liked Forte and refuses to change his mind ever.

Waiting for something to make me change my mind... maybe like a >4.0 YPC just ONCE in his career for a season... He's a crappy runner, and my opinion of him has only solidified more and more by watching him play in the NFL.

But yet again....he thinks Felix Jones will be a #1 RB in the NFL and he again proved that isn't going to be the case.

Based on what?

 

[DoubleG]

This what I learned from the game:

Jahvid Best is NOT Barry Sanders - a) he's really good at the GL, b) he's not shifty enough to make people miss, c) he's not really that fast

Matt Forte is STILL a bad RB. The kid simply is not a good runner. He's good in FF due to his receptions... but he is really a crappy runner from an NFL perspective.

at the bolded

Now, to be fair to switz, I beleive he meant in terms of "game speed". Watching the game, I'd have to actually agree with him. Best, while a nice RB, didn't seem to have the speed/elusiveness that some people had been pining about. Perhaps he was a rookie, alittle overwhelmed in his firts NFL regular season game. Perhaps he will be quicker on turf than on shoddy Soldier Field grass. Perhaps the Bears defense if faster than many others he will face this season. Now, Switz's second part about Forte...well let's just say the good posting emo got shelved as soon as I saw that.

I think he's right about Forte... and we never agree on running backs. I own Forte in one league and i'm deeply concerned. He's an excellent receiving RB, which makes him an excellent 3rd down back, which makes him Chester Taylor, who is also on the team. As far as straight ahead running, he is tentative, not explosive through the hole, and never a danger to break a tackle much less run anybody over. Obviously he doesn't have the push for a goalline back, nor the wiggle to sneak it in. All that spells splitting time if the Bears can find somebody that can do those things better. That being said there are a lot of fantasy points to be made for a receiving RB in a Martz offense, as we saw yesterday. But don't be fooled either, Forte certainly isn't a top 10 back this year.

Oh no, I agree, he isn't a top 10 back. I would actually be more concerned if I owned Forte (which I dont) if the Bears had a legit threat as a goal line back. That has always been Forte's weakness (although that O-line doesn't move people at all). Forte will be a solid RB2 this season, and probably going forward (and "going forward" pretty much means "as long as he stays healthy"). He and Taylor are very similar - and as such, even if Forte goes down, I don't think the Bears running game will suffer this season. If they had a more traditional "power back" to run in short yardage and goal line situations, Forte's value would dip some, but as he is the goal line back by default, he'll stay a solid RB2. Even if he only converts 10%...10% of a decently high number is better than what that number would look like if they took him out in goal line situations.

 

[Hoosier16]

Hey Switz, two years ago you compared Ray Rice to Ericht Rhett, yes the slow as hell Tampa back from 1995. He and Rice have *absolutely nothing in common* other than that both are under six feet tall and played their careers on the East Coast. But I believe at the time (kind of like now with Jahvid Best) you were making a point about Rice not being special. I suppose you can still argue Rice is nothing special and that Rhett was pretty good, and I am sure you will. So, just saying :X

Haha... you sent me on a search trying to dig that up to see what I was thinking...Here is the full post...

Rice = Errict Rhett

I was being sarcastic. As you can see I wasn't even really involved in the thread going between yourself and the others... I just popped in and posted that for fun.ETA - I hate the limited number of quote blocks!

I just searched on the same thing right after gregjcross posted. There was a post after the above one where you defended the comparison. No sarcasm at all, but it was actually a pretty good defense. I can't believe you just deleted the follow up post in a 2 year old thread.

 

[footballsavvy]

Switz has never liked Forte and refuses to change his mind ever.

Waiting for something to make me change my mind... maybe like a >4.0 YPC just ONCE in his career for a season... He's a crappy runner, and my opinion of him has only solidified more and more by watching him play in the NFL.

But yet again....he thinks Felix Jones will be a #1 RB in the NFL and he again proved that isn't going to be the case.

Based on what?

I agree that forte doesn't light the world on fire with his running ability. That said, he has always been productive in the passing game. I guess he just has 1. good hands, and 2. he gets vertical quickly after the catch. These are the only two skills I can come up wiith that would give him success in the passing game but don't necessarily assist him in the pure run game. He just hits the hole weak and doesn't really have special cut-back ability.All we know about Best is that he was a helluva college player and he was hard for defenses to stop in the pre-season. I'm assuing his game speed is still fast because the pads in the pros aren't any heavier than the pads in college. As with all fast running backs, they have to have some other element to their game in order for it ot translate successfully to the pros. This typically involves some degree of patience and anticipation. Even then, you can have games like Chris Johnson's first half against the raiders.

And a good running back doesn't need a stud QB to produce. In fact, based on the list of 2009 top running backs, it would not be a stretch to suggest the exact opposite. Alex Smith, Bulger, Flacco, Gerrard, Sanchez, Kerry Collins, Vince Young, Delhomme, Matt Moore.... at best, qb doesn't matter.

 

[switz]

Hey Switz, two years ago you compared Ray Rice to Ericht Rhett, yes the slow as hell Tampa back from 1995. He and Rice have *absolutely nothing in common* other than that both are under six feet tall and played their careers on the East Coast.

But I believe at the time (kind of like now with Jahvid Best) you were making a point about Rice not being special. I suppose you can still argue Rice is nothing special and that Rhett was pretty good, and I am sure you will. So, just saying

Haha... you sent me on a search trying to dig that up to see what I was thinking...Here is the full post...

Rice = Errict Rhett

I was being sarcastic. As you can see I wasn't even really involved in the thread going between yourself and the others... I just popped in and posted that for fun.ETA - I hate the limited number of quote blocks!

I just searched on the same thing right after gregjcross posted. There was a post after the above one where you defended the comparison. No sarcasm at all, but it was actually a pretty good defense. I can't believe you just deleted the follow up post in a 2 year old thread.

Are you a gregjcross alias trying to start something? I didn't delete anything...

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Switz has never liked Forte and refuses to change his mind ever.

Waiting for something to make me change my mind... maybe like a >4.0 YPC just ONCE in his career for a season... He's a crappy runner, and my opinion of him has only solidified more and more by watching him play in the NFL.Seeing he has had 2 full NFL seasons....and was injured(but played through it) all of his second season. But is YPC the only way to judge a RB???

But yet again....he thinks Felix Jones will be a #1 RB in the NFL and he again proved that isn't going to be the case.

Based on what?Based on 10 total touches in the first game...after an offseason in which people hyped him up into being "the man" in Dallas.

 

[Syx]

QUOTE (kingsofromance @ Sep 11 2010, 09:18 AM)

QUOTE (kingsofromance @ Sep 10 2010, 11:26 PM)

Here's what I posted yesterday...Looks like there is only one Barry Sanders... Some guys named Moonlight disagreed He needs to eat crow.....eat it eat it...

Is he Barry? Hell no. Nobody is.One note on Barry's 2053 yard season.

Through 2 games, Barry was at 25 carries for 53 yards. He went on to accumulate 2000 yards over the next 14.

 

[switz]

Switz has never liked Forte and refuses to change his mind ever.

Waiting for something to make me change my mind... maybe like a >4.0 YPC just ONCE in his career for a season... He's a crappy runner, and my opinion of him has only solidified more and more by watching him play in the NFL.Seeing he has had 2 full NFL seasons....and was injured(but played through it) all of his second season. But is YPC the only way to judge a RB???

Pretty much it is... most RBs who continue to average a terrible YPC even if they have other intangibles, typically get replaced by better RBs

But yet again....he thinks Felix Jones will be a #1 RB in the NFL and he again proved that isn't going to be the case.

Based on what?Based on 10 total touches in the first game...after an offseason in which people hyped him up into being "the man" in Dallas.

10 total touches in which the "other" RB also only had 10 touches? I don't think that's as meaningful as you'd like. There are a number of ways to look at it... the fact there was a 50-50 split between the top-2 backs could be seen that Jones is moving into the #1 role, not that he's proven he'll never be a #1.

 

[gregjcross]

Hey Switz, two years ago you compared Ray Rice to Ericht Rhett, yes the slow as hell Tampa back from 1995. He and Rice have *absolutely nothing in common* other than that both are under six feet tall and played their careers on the East Coast.

But I believe at the time (kind of like now with Jahvid Best) you were making a point about Rice not being special. I suppose you can still argue Rice is nothing special and that Rhett was pretty good, and I am sure you will. So, just saying

Haha... you sent me on a search trying to dig that up to see what I was thinking...Here is the full post...

Rice = Errict Rhett

I was being sarcastic. As you can see I wasn't even really involved in the thread going between yourself and the others... I just popped in and posted that for fun.ETA - I hate the limited number of quote blocks!

I just searched on the same thing right after gregjcross posted. There was a post after the above one where you defended the comparison. No sarcasm at all, but it was actually a pretty good defense. I can't believe you just deleted the follow up post in a 2 year old thread.

Are you a gregjcross alias trying to start something? I didn't delete anything...

I dont have any aliases, no idea what he is talking about as you had a reply and I am 99% sure its still there.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'm done hijacking the thread switz.

Back to Best. I watched the entire game and while he didn't have a great deal of holes to deal with....he also didn't do the Jahvid Best things he did in college...like great moves...quickness through the first level...making defenders miss.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

People keep talking about how much improved the line is (and the Lions in general). When you improve from being amongst the worst, it doesn't mean you are any good. They could be better and still be the worst as bad as they've been. They did not significantly upgrade their line, and Stafford's Injury proves that, IMO. They play calling was horrendous. No shots downfield. I was seeing Harrington out there again; 3 and 10, throw it for 7!

I don't think you'll see Javid break 60 yards much this season. They were lucky to get those redzone attempts thru turnovers. Don't count on anymore.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

People keep talking about how much improved the line is (and the Lions in general). When you improve from being amongst the worst, it doesn't mean you are any good. They could be better and still be the worst as bad as they've been.

Where were all the Lions/Jahvid Best fans before week 1 started that said the Lions OL was still poor? All I saw were people drunk on this new Lions offense.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

against the 23rd ranked run defense last year..

Have you heard of the HOF player named Brian Urlacher? Add another HOF player named Julius Peppers and it is not that difficult

Neither of those guys are close to Hall of Famers...

 

[jon_mx]

First no one ever said that Best is a grinder or tackle breaker. He is a home run threat plain and simple. Get in the open an GO. His two TD's made him a good play this week. But, I wonder when Jones comes back if he take those short TD's away from BestBest is a feast or bust RB, just hope for the home runs.

Not in a PPR league. Best is going to be putting up catches and yards one way or another with some TD's sprinkled on the top.

 

[jon_mx]

People keep talking about how much improved the line is (and the Lions in general). When you improve from being amongst the worst, it doesn't mean you are any good. They could be better and still be the worst as bad as they've been. They did not significantly upgrade their line, and Stafford's Injury proves that, IMO. They play calling was horrendous. No shots downfield. I was seeing Harrington out there again; 3 and 10, throw it for 7!I don't think you'll see Javid break 60 yards much this season. They were lucky to get those redzone attempts thru turnovers. Don't count on anymore.

Best will be over 60 yards most games easily. The Lions just need to open up their offense. Terrible play calling and a pretty good Bears defense. Best will get his.