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I want to start hearing the excuses... (1 Viewer)

ROYALWITCHEESE said:
Sweetness_34 said:
doubletrouble said:
against the 23rd ranked run defense last year..
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Have you heard of the HOF player named Brian Urlacher? Add another HOF player named Julius Peppers and it is not that difficult :popcorn:
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Neither of those guys are close to Hall of Famers...
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Urlacher=6 time pro bowler, Defensive player of the year, etcPeppers= 5 time pro bowler and already has 82 sacksI would also argue Lance Briggs=5 time pro bowlerObviously they will accomplish more as they are all early 30's....but all 3 are on track.
 
I watched the game because for some reason I get glued to Lions games like I am watching a trainwreck (plus I like Stafford allot).

To many people taking it personal here. I think the OP is warranted in kicking up a little sand. The amount of Best/Foster hype heading into the week was huge. Plain and simple.

No offensive line and no history of success there for quiet some time. Don't see how you all thought it was going to turn around so quickly to produce a fantasy stud. You will be lucky if he can break into the top 20. I will take the likes of Moreno, Forte & Addai and be happier than the roller coaster ride that is the Lions running game.

 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
Sweetness_34 said:
doubletrouble said:
against the 23rd ranked run defense last year..
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Have you heard of the HOF player named Brian Urlacher? Add another HOF player named Julius Peppers and it is not that difficult :blackdot:
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Neither of those guys are close to Hall of Famers...
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Urlacher=6 time pro bowler, Defensive player of the year, etcPeppers= 5 time pro bowler and already has 82 sacksI would also argue Lance Briggs=5 time pro bowlerObviously they will accomplish more as they are all early 30's....but all 3 are on track.
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Briggs was an All Pro once. He has alot of work to do.
 
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Gopher State said:
First no one ever said that Best is a grinder or tackle breaker. He is a home run threat plain and simple. Get in the open an GO. His two TD's made him a good play this week. But, I wonder when Jones comes back if he take those short TD's away from BestBest is a feast or bust RB, just hope for the home runs.
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Not in a PPR league. Best is going to be putting up catches and yards one way or another with some TD's sprinkled on the top.
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:blackdot: Best should get about 40-60 yards rushing and about 3-5 receptions for about 30 yards receiving. That's about 12 points right there....before any TDs. He'll be a decent RB2. Any we saw that he can punch it in near the goalline.The Bears D looked good and the Lions are going to have to stretch the field. Most RBs are going to have games where they only average 2 or so YPC. Even elite RBs can be stopped with a good defense....look at Ray Rice....he averaged only 2 YPC against the Jets. If Best is averaging only 2 YPC after 3-4 games, then we can revisit this issue.
 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
Sweetness_34 said:
doubletrouble said:
against the 23rd ranked run defense last year..
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Have you heard of the HOF player named Brian Urlacher? Add another HOF player named Julius Peppers and it is not that difficult :yes:
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Neither of those guys are close to Hall of Famers...
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Urlacher=6 time pro bowler, Defensive player of the year, etcPeppers= 5 time pro bowler and already has 82 sacksI would also argue Lance Briggs=5 time pro bowlerObviously they will accomplish more as they are all early 30's....but all 3 are on track.
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Pro Bowls are meaningless.Urlacher is on track. He has 4 1st team All Pro selections plus DROY and DPOY awards.Peppers is not necessarily on track. He has 2 1st team All Pro selections and a DROY award, but there is no guarantee he will get another All Pro selection or major award. His comparables at pro-football-reference show more non-HOFers than HOFers. IMO he has a shot but has plenty more work to do. :gang1: at the notion of Briggs being on track to make the HOF. He is 30 and has been 1st team All Pro one time, all the way back in 2005. There is no reason to think he is suddenly going to start piling up more honors and awards.
 
Just Win Baby said:
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
Sweetness_34 said:
doubletrouble said:
against the 23rd ranked run defense last year..
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Have you heard of the HOF player named Brian Urlacher? Add another HOF player named Julius Peppers and it is not that difficult :ph34r:
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Neither of those guys are close to Hall of Famers...
Click to expand...
Urlacher=6 time pro bowler, Defensive player of the year, etcPeppers= 5 time pro bowler and already has 82 sacksI would also argue Lance Briggs=5 time pro bowlerObviously they will accomplish more as they are all early 30's....but all 3 are on track.
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Pro Bowls are meaningless.Urlacher is on track. He has 4 1st team All Pro selections plus DROY and DPOY awards.Peppers is not necessarily on track. He has 2 1st team All Pro selections and a DROY award, but there is no guarantee he will get another All Pro selection or major award. His comparables at pro-football-reference show more non-HOFers than HOFers. IMO he has a shot but has plenty more work to do. :no: at the notion of Briggs being on track to make the HOF. He is 30 and has been 1st team All Pro one time, all the way back in 2005. There is no reason to think he is suddenly going to start piling up more honors and awards.
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Lance Briggs has been the best defensive player in Chicago for much of his career....this coming from a Bears fan. Briggs is also more important to the Cover 2 scheme than Urlacher(if you don't agree with that...we could talk about scheme...but just look at tampa with Brooks). He simply makes more plays than Urlacher.
 
jon_mx said:
Addai said:
People keep talking about how much improved the line is (and the Lions in general). When you improve from being amongst the worst, it doesn't mean you are any good. They could be better and still be the worst as bad as they've been. They did not significantly upgrade their line, and Stafford's Injury proves that, IMO. They play calling was horrendous. No shots downfield. I was seeing Harrington out there again; 3 and 10, throw it for 7!I don't think you'll see Javid break 60 yards much this season. They were lucky to get those redzone attempts thru turnovers. Don't count on anymore.
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Best will be over 60 yards most games easily. The Lions just need to open up their offense. Terrible play calling and a pretty good Bears defense. Best will get his.
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you are under estimating the suckyness that is the Lions Oline
 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
I'm done hijacking the thread switz.Back to Best. I watched the entire game and while he didn't have a great deal of holes to deal with....he also didn't do the Jahvid Best things he did in college...like great moves...quickness through the first level...making defenders miss.
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The problem is, all that stuff doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL. Defenders are bigger, faster, stronger and quicker. Moves that worked in college are ho-hum to guys that have been tackling Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Michael Turner, etc. for the last few years. Now that's not to say he didn't simply have a bad game or adjust - but the concern over his performance (and Spiller's - for much the same reason) - is legit.
 
I watched the whole Lions bears game and best looked like he played soft didnt' hit the hole hard as I thought he would and didn't show any burst close to that of Chris Johnson... 14 att for 20 yards which is about 1.4 yards per carry doesnt look great 5 rec for 16 is ok alot of catches but didn't do much with anything. 19 touches for 36 yards isn't crap compared to what I thought he would do... I hope he isn't another bum in the lions system that is set up for failure and know with another known bum like Hill this should be fun and interesting next few weeks. I hope stafford doesn't miss 8 games or we are in trouble guys... whats the shark pools assessment of Best. I know there has been some Heavy hype trains for Best and Spiller and I to was 100 percent aboard on both runners yet both runners scared me Spiller more so then best because of sheer crappy offense by buffalo...... thoughts

 
I think the Bears run D with Urlacher back is pretty stout, no?

Might want to give him another game or 2 before you tag him as a bust.

 
I'm not an Urlacher fan by any means, at least in recent years, but that man played possessed against the Lions. Throw in Briggs and Peppers and I think the Bears defense might surprise people this year. They have a big test against the Cowboys this week and Best gets to play on his home turf. We'll have a better picture of what Best is on Sunday.

 
This week against my Birds without Stew Bradley in the middle is just what the doctor ordered for Best. Expect him to post faaaar better numbers than last week.

 
CrossEyed said:
I think the Bears run D with Urlacher back is pretty stout, no?Might want to give him another game or 2 before you tag him as a bust.
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oh no cross eyed not tagging him a bust at all hell he had over 20 points for me. I guess I was just expecting more.
 
Thomas jones syndrome.... his is a little bit better.. he gets 3.5 charles 8.5

lol and they have to share... insane

 
Maybe Best actually has Chris Johnson Disease. As a rookie against the Bears, Chris had 14 carries for 8 yards.

 
T with T said:
I watched the whole Lions bears game and best looked like he played soft didnt' hit the hole hard as I thought he would and didn't show any burst close to that of Chris Johnson... 14 att for 20 yards which is about 1.4 yards per carry doesnt look great 5 rec for 16 is ok alot of catches but didn't do much with anything. 19 touches for 36 yards isn't crap compared to what I thought he would do... I hope he isn't another bum in the lions system that is set up for failure and know with another known bum like Hill this should be fun and interesting next few weeks. I hope stafford doesn't miss 8 games or we are in trouble guys... whats the shark pools assessment of Best. I know there has been some Heavy hype trains for Best and Spiller and I to was 100 percent aboard on both runners yet both runners scared me Spiller more so then best because of sheer crappy offense by buffalo...... thoughts
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Chris Johnson is the far better runner, he is tougher, lower to the ground, more balanced, etc. But i'm pretty sure that in a pure footrace, Best would come out on top. Acceleration wise, again, Best would come out on top. He is pure speed, even moreso than CJ.
 
TakiToki said:
Maybe Best actually has Chris Johnson Disease. As a rookie against the Bears, Chris had 14 carries for 8 yards.
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LOL thats funny.. im gonna have to look that up.. Well if he has that disease then thats great, I guess anyone would want that... is there a vaccine out for it yet? :lol:

 
He will be fine...a healthy Urlacher, Briggs(jesus is this man under-rated, he is the heart and soul of the Bears D, and is always in the right place, he doesn't make all-pro teams due to the glorified 3-4 LB's who really play as DE's, but make no mistake, every NFL RB/coach knows how good Briggs is, most certainly one of the best LB's in the game), Peppers, and Tommie Harrs? That is pretty damn hard to run against...those 4 players can dominate when healthy, and they did...for the most part. Best will probably only see 1 or 2 defenses as healthy/good as he did Sunday...I'm not worried about him at all.

 
plyka said:
Chris Johnson is the far better runner, he is tougher, lower to the ground, more balanced, etc. But i'm pretty sure that in a pure footrace, Best would come out on top. Acceleration wise, again, Best would come out on top. He is pure speed, even moreso than CJ.
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T with T said:
TakiToki said:
Maybe Best actually has Chris Johnson Disease. As a rookie against the Bears, Chris had 14 carries for 8 yards.
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LOL thats funny.. im gonna have to look that up.. Well if he has that disease then thats great, I guess anyone would want that... is there a vaccine out for it yet? :hophead:
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Of course there is a vaccine out there already...............The Jermichael Finley Cure
 
Could it have something to do with the fact that the Lions, despite the denial of their fans and the preseason hype, are still one of the worst teams in the NFL?

 
Hit what hole? I watched the entire game and didnt see many holes.....Bear run D was very tight.

 
RBM said:
Hit what hole? I watched the entire game and didnt see many holes.....Bear run D was very tight.
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With 6 minutes left in the 2nd Best gets a little running room and you can see some of the shake he's got. It was his best run of the day but that's not saying much.
 
Kevin Smith put up some solid all purpose numbers with that Oline when he was healthy, Best can easily match and beat those numbers. It was the rook's first game.

2.0, 2.2, 2.2

yds/carry for, Rice, Gore, Turner, should we panic there too?

Bottom line: Its Week 1

 
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shnikies said:
RBM said:
Hit what hole? I watched the entire game and didnt see many holes.....Bear run D was very tight.
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With 6 minutes left in the 2nd Best gets a little running room and you can see some of the shake he's got. It was his best run of the day but that's not saying much.
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I (and Billick) was most impressed with the burst on the first td. Exploded thru the line.
 
What is his injury to his toe? Turf toe? A speed guy with a toe injury week 1 is kind of troubling. I wonder if that wasn't what slowed him down against the Bears. I remember McFadden having toe issues that kept him out a lot his rookie year. I guess we'll find out how tough Best is.

 
ROBOPUNTER said:
FreeBaGeL said:
timschochet said:
JamesTheScot said:
timschochet said:
1. Chicago played a great defensive game at home.

2. Uhrlacher returned, so this is not the same as last year's Bear's defense.

3. The Bears played their safeties in, and Detroit did not try to stretch the field for the first 3 quarters.
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This puzzles me as the conventional shark pool wisdom is that CJ keeps you from putting 8 in the box and someone like Best keeps the D honest insofar as covering CJ.So how did Chicago manage to contain both of them without Schwartz, who last year we learned is a genius, making them pay?
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Beats me. The Lions refused to stretch the field. I don't recall Johnson even being targeted more than once in the first half. Even the broadcasters commented about it.
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Maybe it's because the part about the Bears playing 8 in the box all game long is completely made up.This is how it goes with the Lions on this forum. Everything is everyone else's fault and it's all cyclical. In the Calvin Johnson threads he has bad games because he's being triple covered on every play. In the running back threads they have bad games because the defense is stacking the box every play. In the Stafford threads he's having bad games because the defense isn't respecting the running game. It all contradicts each other.

The truth is, teams don't have to stack the box against their crappy O-line to make it seem like they're stacking the box.
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I think I have figured out why the Lions have been so bad lately. They've been playing against 15 players on defense this whole time! 8 in the box, plus 3 guys on Calvin, plus 2 other CBs, please 2 safeties. No wonder those guys get shut down :(
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:shrug:
 
doubletrouble said:
against the 23rd ranked run defense last year..it's only one game but Kevin Smith could have done betterLet me have it
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Hi foot. Get in my mouth.Moral of the story. 1 game does not judge a player, because you never know when he breaks over 200 all purpose yards the next week.
 
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