I was just hosed in the Waivers, Commish claims I'm confused about (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Rules: Waivers

a) Waiver wire opens at kickoff in Week 1 of the regular season

b) Waiver requests can be submitted starting on Sunday at 1pm each week and will processed at 11:30 on Wednesday. First come-First served waivers begin at 11:30pm on Wednesday and are closed shortly before kickoff each week.

c) Waiver order is determined by victory points. The team with the lowest number of VPs is awarded the #1 WW slot and the rest goes in order of ascending number of VPs.

'd)' Waiver order for Week 1 is the reversal of the Final Standings order from the previous season.[/b]

the Team I took over last yr came in last... making me Waiver #1.

Actual Waiver Order used last night:

1. Rags to Riches Guy that won last yr

2. Canines

3. The Purple Cobras

4. The Evil Empire

5. Mr Natural

6. Crazy Horse

7. Master Blaster

8. Ceresco Bugeaters

9. TheTakeOver

10. Cuban Bee

11. Uncle Rico's '82 State Championship Team

12. Oprah's Vay Jay Jay this is ME

Commish claims the wording of his rules means that team that picked last in the draft gets Waiver #1 and the team that picked 1st in the Draft gets Waiver #12; me. Doesn't that mean that the team that finished 1st last yr gets Waiver 1... not the reversed order of the final Standings

Andre Hall was available and I didn't get him.... :(

Commish says That I'm simply confussed, and If I looked at the WW order a couple of nights ago... its my fault and I should of noticed this and asked. Nice.

Heres is reply to question of the error!!!!

http://football34.myfantasyleague.com/2008...amp;tid=1554315

Sorry for any mis-spelling as I'm so pissed that I'm shaking. This is a $75 Dynasty league.

 

[tomarken]

You Just Got oWned.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He has already went in and changed the wording of the rules... good thing I copied it.

 

[beavers]

Sorry about your last place finish last year.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Rules: http://football34.myfantasyleague.com/2008...=46595&O=26

Waivers

a) Waiver wire opens at kickoff in Week 1 of the regular season

b) Waiver requests can be submitted starting on Sunday at 1pm each week and will processed at 11:30 on Wednesday. First come-First served waivers begin at 11:30pm on Wednesday and are closed shortly before kickoff each week.

c) Waiver order is determined by victory points. The team with the lowest number of VPs is awarded the #1 WW slot and the rest goes in order of ascending number of VPs.

'd)' Waiver order for Week 1 is the reversal of the Final Standings order from the previous season.[/b]

the Team I took over last yr came in last... making me Waiver #1.

Actual Waiver Order used last night:

1. Rags to Riches Guy that won last yr

2. Canines

3. The Purple Cobras

4. The Evil Empire

5. Mr Natural

6. Crazy Horse

7. Master Blaster

8. Ceresco Bugeaters

9. TheTakeOver

10. Cuban Bee

11. Uncle Rico's '82 State Championship Team

12. Oprah's Vay Jay Jay this is ME

Commish claims the wording of his rules means that team that picked last in the draft gets Waiver #1 and the team that picked 1st in the Draft gets Waiver #12; me. Doesn't that mean that the team that finished 1st last yr gets Waiver 1... not the reversed order of the final Standings

Andre Hall was available and I didn't get him....

Commish says That I'm simply confussed, and If I looked at the WW order a couple of nights ago... its my fault and I should of noticed this and asked. Nice.

Heres is reply to question of the error!!!!

http://football34.myfantasyleague.com/2008...amp;tid=1554315

Sorry for any mis-spelling as I'm so pissed that I'm shaking. This is a $75 Dynasty league.

Don't let that $75 make you shake.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Sorry about your last place finish last year.

I didn't run the team last yr.... guy was accused of tanking and was removed. I took the team over this seasonBut Thanks

 

[yellowdog]

You're both right. You were hosed and confused.

 

[Chaos Commish]

There should be a law enforcing blind bidding.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

There should be a law enforcing blind bidding.

Agreed. Some software doesn't support it though, like ESPN. We found that out the hard way when we switched.

 

[MCguidance]

He has already went in and changed the wording of the rules... good thing I copied it.

Did you take a screen shot though? Because he could just say that you when you copied it you changed it. It could come down to a loyalty thing in the league and who has been there the longest. You could still get screwed even though you're obviously correct.

 

[flooredyas]

Maybe I'm confused, but aren't we in Week 2 waivers?

 

[KellysHeroes]

He has already went in and changed the wording of the rules... good thing I copied it.

Did you take a screen shot though? Because he could just say that you when you copied it you changed it. It could come down to a loyalty thing in the league and who has been there the longest. You could still get screwed even though you're obviously correct.

A couple of the other members of the league agreed w/ me this morning when they read the rules because they felt the same way. My post was there for about 2 hrs before he came on. If he pulls that, he'll be just screwing himself.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Maybe I'm confused, but aren't we in Week 2 waivers?

That would be after the week 2 games, but who knows w/ this leagueThen I would of been #2 on the list... the guy who got Hall would still be below me!

 

[fsufan]

it is hard to find a good commish

 

[Sweet Love]

That is pretty bad. What are the other league members saying about this??

 

[Diamond]

Consider yourself lucky. You really didn't want any part of the Denver RBBC, it's fugly.

 

[KellysHeroes]

That is pretty bad. What are the other league members saying about this??

This morning.. a couple said I was right.... but no one has responded to the commish's reply. The Guy who scored in the top 3 this week and then got A Hall is loving it.

 

[Socrates11]

We use first come-first served waivers in our league. It tends to frustrate the guppies who don't stay on top of secondary players and then when they see something on Sportscenter they think they can come in and get somebody who has been long gone. OTOH, the Sharks are working it constantly and since we charge $1 for add/drop our league usually has made some serious coin by the end of the season which we put towards a league party and increased payouts.

I'm actually surprised the guppies haven't raised a stink for a Waiver Order system, but no complaints so far.

Oh, and it sounds like you got hosed.

 

[GregR_2]

Maybe I'm confused, but aren't we in Week 2 waivers?

That would be after the week 2 games, but who knows w/ this leagueThen I would of been #2 on the list... the guy who got Hall would still be below me!

No, we are in week 2 waivers. The week 1 injury report comes out the week before the first set of games. Waivers done that week would be week 1 waivers, and since you don't have results yet, then using last year's for waiver order makes sense.Now it's week 2. The next injury report won't be the week 1 injury report, it'll be for the week 2 games. Any waivers now, by his rules, should have used the victory points thing.

 

[Sweet Love]

We use first come-first served waivers in our league. It tends to frustrate the guppies who don't stay on top of secondary players and then when they see something on Sportscenter they think they can come in and get somebody who has been long gone. OTOH, the Sharks are working it constantly and since we charge $1 for add/drop our league usually has made some serious coin by the end of the season which we put towards a league party and increased payouts.I'm actually surprised the guppies haven't raised a stink for a Waiver Order system, but no complaints so far.Oh, and it sounds like you got hosed.

I am in a league that does this too and while some complain they don't have computer access while watching games, etc., there NEVER is an issue like what the OP is experiencing. With that said, my other two leagues have intricate waiver systems in or to even the playing field and without doubt, there is always an issue or two when it comes to waivers and someone gets hosed.

 

[Big Score]

You got ripped buddy.

 

[Wrigley]

This is week 2, right?

 

[switz]

Waiver order for Week 1 is the reversal of the Final Standings order from the previous season.

Commish claims the wording of his rules means that team that picked last in the draft gets Waiver #1 and the team that picked 1st in the Draft gets Waiver #12; me. Doesn't that mean that the team that finished 1st last yr gets Waiver 1... not the reversed order of the final Standings

Commish says That I'm simply confussed, and If I looked at the WW order a couple of nights ago... its my fault and I should of noticed this and asked.

Per what he wrote, the worst team form last season would get the #1 waiver spot, and the league winner from last season would get the 12 spot. Your commish needs to go by what's written, not by "what he meant."He is the commish, he shouldn't need you to check the waiver wire order. He needs to correct his mistake.

 

[poopdawg]

You're certainly in the right here. Just curious, what pick did the commish end up with?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Maybe I'm confused, but aren't we in Week 2 waivers?

That would be after the week 2 games, but who knows w/ this leagueThen I would of been #2 on the list... the guy who got Hall would still be below me!

No, we are in week 2 waivers. The week 1 injury report comes out the week before the first set of games. Waivers done that week would be week 1 waivers, and since you don't have results yet, then using last year's for waiver order makes sense.Now it's week 2. The next injury report won't be the week 1 injury report, it'll be for the week 2 games. Any waivers now, by his rules, should have used the victory points thing.

You guys are making an excellent point about this being week 2 waivers... this is why I brought it here.

 

[SuperJohn96]

Weren't you complaining about some other league?

Apparently you have the worst luck.

 

[Letum]

How'd they do it the season before?

If possible, go back to last year and see if it was the same - if so - the commish is guilty of poor wordmanship/grammar but he's not intentionally screwing you.

If it turns out that they handled it differently last year, you have a legit beef.

 

[habsfan]

It wasn't poorly worded, it was very clearly worded and to suggest that you misunderstood it (or "have to make things difficult") is just patronizing. Suggesting you are "being difficult" is a clumsy attempt to deflect attention away from the real issue.

I think the commish has to establish that what he "meant" (as opposed to what he wrote) was commonly known in the league to be the way it works. If that can't be established, then you can certainly argue that this is really nothing more than a poorly-timed rule change.

 

[KellysHeroes]

BTW.... heres the ad for the league when I signed up. There will be an openning in the league again next yr, maybe more than one if this crap keeps up

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=382876&hl=

 

[KellysHeroes]

Oh yeah.. I asked about this being week 2 waivers and not week 1.... heres the reply

http://football34.myfantasyleague.com/2008...amp;tid=1554667

Commissioner:

> This is Week 1 of waivers because it's the first

> week of waivers we've had. Is that really so hard

> to understand?

 

[Wrigley]

Oh yeah.. I asked about this being week 2 waivers and not week 1.... heres the reply

http://football34.myfantasyleague.com/2008...amp;tid=1554667

Commissioner:

> This is Week 1 of waivers because it's the first

> week of waivers we've had. Is that really so hard

> to understand?

Your commish is an idiot.

 

[Big Score]

I'll say it again...You got ripped buddy.

 

[R Dizzle]

This thread makes me angry for you man.

 

[notoriousbob]

I really don't think anyone is trying to screw you. Having the first week waiver order be the reverse of the draft order is logical and seems fair. You had the #1 pick in the draft (I'm assuming), why should you get the #1 waiver too? Its unfortunate the wording was not quite right. But if Andre Hall is going to make or break your season, that would surprise me. I've dealt with owners who cry about everything and are convinced the league is out to get them and its just not fun. Settle down, start LT and be happy.

Edit because I missed that it was a dynasty. Still, with 12 teams and 22 man rosters, anyone on the waiver wire is not going to make or break anyone's team.

 

[GregR_2]

I really don't think anyone is trying to screw you. Having the first week waiver order be the reverse of the draft order is logical and seems fair. You had the #1 pick in the draft (I'm assuming), why should you get the #1 waiver too? Its unfortunate the wording was not quite right. But if Andre Hall is going to make or break your season, that would surprise me. I've dealt with owners who cry about everything and are convinced the league is out to get them and its just not fun. Settle down, start LT and be happy.

It makes sense if you have waivers BEFORE the season starts.But once the season starts and you have fantasy game results to rank teams by, why should you care about the previous year's draft order? If last years draft order is more important in determining team rankings than are results, then use it all year, right?

 

[notoriousbob]

I really don't think anyone is trying to screw you. Having the first week waiver order be the reverse of the draft order is logical and seems fair. You had the #1 pick in the draft (I'm assuming), why should you get the #1 waiver too? Its unfortunate the wording was not quite right. But if Andre Hall is going to make or break your season, that would surprise me. I've dealt with owners who cry about everything and are convinced the league is out to get them and its just not fun. Settle down, start LT and be happy.

It makes sense if you have waivers BEFORE the season starts.But once the season starts and you have fantasy game results to rank teams by, why should you care about the previous year's draft order? If last years draft order is more important in determining team rankings than are results, then use it all year, right?

It looks like in this league they didn't have a pre-season waiver period, so I'm not sure why there would be a need to use last year's results for anything. I'm confused... We just use last year to set the initial order, then it changes from there.

 

[valhallan]

it is hard to find a good commish

Yup, that guy is obviously a dou... well, you know.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I really don't think anyone is trying to screw you. Having the first week waiver order be the reverse of the draft order is logical and seems fair. You had the #1 pick in the draft (I'm assuming), why should you get the #1 waiver too? Its unfortunate the wording was not quite right. But if Andre Hall is going to make or break your season, that would surprise me. I've dealt with owners who cry about everything and are convinced the league is out to get them and its just not fun. Settle down, start LT and be happy.

It makes sense if you have waivers BEFORE the season starts.But once the season starts and you have fantasy game results to rank teams by, why should you care about the previous year's draft order? If last years draft order is more important in determining team rankings than are results, then use it all year, right?

It looks like in this league they didn't have a pre-season waiver period, so I'm not sure why there would be a need to use last year's results for anything. I'm confused... We just use last year to set the initial order, then it changes from there.

does any of that matter... I paid $75 when I read and understood the rules; now commish flat out changed them... or read worded them to what he meant.Logically... we should of used Rule c)... lowest scoring team get to pick 1st.

 

[doowain]

I am the commish in this league. I'm replying via cell phone so bear with me.

First things first, the wording in the rules was misleading and not the intent for the rule.

Having said that, I havent received complaints from anyone else on the matter otherwise I'd look into making a change here. The fact is though that this guy complains just to complain sometimes (both on here and on the league site) so the routine wears on you after a while. Initially I tried to explain everything rationally to him via league chat and all he had for me was sarcasm and disrespect. You can ask anyone in the leagues I commish....I'm a very understanding and patient guy, but I can only take so much. He is the only one that openly complainsabout anything in my leagues. So is it him or me? His approach to a situation like this always puts someone on the defensive.

Again, if others come forward with a problem about this I'll go forward with this. But as of now he's the only one.

 

[dagwood]

He has already went in and changed the wording of the rules... good thing I copied it.

Every league has that guy who drives the Commish nuts.......guess you are him.....I take it you got the first pick in the draft.....so it seems perfectly reasonable that you would start with the last pick in the week 1 waiver pool.....

 

[dagwood]

I really don't think anyone is trying to screw you. Having the first week waiver order be the reverse of the draft order is logical and seems fair. You had the #1 pick in the draft (I'm assuming), why should you get the #1 waiver too? Its unfortunate the wording was not quite right. But if Andre Hall is going to make or break your season, that would surprise me. I've dealt with owners who cry about everything and are convinced the league is out to get them and its just not fun. Settle down, start LT and be happy.

It makes sense if you have waivers BEFORE the season starts.But once the season starts and you have fantasy game results to rank teams by, why should you care about the previous year's draft order? If last years draft order is more important in determining team rankings than are results, then use it all year, right?

It looks like in this league they didn't have a pre-season waiver period, so I'm not sure why there would be a need to use last year's results for anything. I'm confused... We just use last year to set the initial order, then it changes from there.

does any of that matter... I paid $75 when I read and understood the rules; now commish flat out changed them... or read worded them to what he meant.Logically... we should of used Rule c)... lowest scoring team get to pick 1st.

From my vantage point....he just clarified them.....subtle but important difference...

 

[KellysHeroes]

I am the commish in this league. I'm replying via cell phone so bear with me.

First things first, the wording in the rules was misleading and not the intent for the rule.

Having said that, I havent received complaints from anyone else on the matter otherwise I'd look into making a change here. The fact is though that this guy complains just to complain sometimes (both on here and on the league site) so the routine wears on you after a while. Initially I tried to explain everything rationally to him via league chat and all he had for me was sarcasm and disrespect. You can ask anyone in the leagues I commish....I'm a very understanding and patient guy, but I can only take so much. He is the only one that openly complainsabout anything in my leagues. So is it him or me? His approach to a situation like this always puts someone on the defensive.

Again, if others come forward with a problem about this I'll go forward with this. But as of now he's the only one.

A lot of the above posts say its you.... there realy isn't one that said it was me.

 

[EdwardCat]

The rules were pretty clear. Rewording them to mean something else after the season started is just not cool. Kelly's Heroes got screwed.

 

[EdwardCat]

I am the commish in this league. I'm replying via cell phone so bear with me.First things first, the wording in the rules was misleading and not the intent for the rule.Having said that, I havent received complaints from anyone else on the matter otherwise I'd look into making a change here. The fact is though that this guy complains just to complain sometimes (both on here and on the league site) so the routine wears on you after a while. Initially I tried to explain everything rationally to him via league chat and all he had for me was sarcasm and disrespect. You can ask anyone in the leagues I commish....I'm a very understanding and patient guy, but I can only take so much. He is the only one that openly complainsabout anything in my leagues. So is it him or me? His approach to a situation like this always puts someone on the defensive.Again, if others come forward with a problem about this I'll go forward with this. But as of now he's the only one.

I do have to agree with the commissioner, however, that if the guy comes forward being sarcastic and disrespectful, it is hard to sympathize with him and want to do anything to favor him. Perhaps Kelly's Heroes should learn some patience and respect before bring forward a problem like this. It would be more likely this got resolved right then and there instead of bring it to the Shark forum.

 

[Flash]

I am the commish in this league. I'm replying via cell phone so bear with me.

First things first, the wording in the rules was misleading and not the intent for the rule.

Having said that, I havent received complaints from anyone else on the matter otherwise I'd look into making a change here. The fact is though that this guy complains just to complain sometimes (both on here and on the league site) so the routine wears on you after a while. Initially I tried to explain everything rationally to him via league chat and all he had for me was sarcasm and disrespect. You can ask anyone in the leagues I commish....I'm a very understanding and patient guy, but I can only take so much. He is the only one that openly complainsabout anything in my leagues. So is it him or me? His approach to a situation like this always puts someone on the defensive.

Again, if others come forward with a problem about this I'll go forward with this. But as of now he's the only one.

Ok, I'll bite.....What does this mean?

'd)' Waiver order for Week 1 is the reversal of the Final Standings order from the previous season.

 

[Phil Elliott]

What's at stake here? Does the league reward anything for the winners at the end of the season?

Edited: per league rules there are some winnings paid out.

 

[marshall88]

I am the commish in this league. I'm replying via cell phone so bear with me.First things first, the wording in the rules was misleading and not the intent for the rule.Having said that, I havent received complaints from anyone else on the matter otherwise I'd look into making a change here. The fact is though that this guy complains just to complain sometimes (both on here and on the league site) so the routine wears on you after a while. Initially I tried to explain everything rationally to him via league chat and all he had for me was sarcasm and disrespect. You can ask anyone in the leagues I commish....I'm a very understanding and patient guy, but I can only take so much. He is the only one that openly complainsabout anything in my leagues. So is it him or me? His approach to a situation like this always puts someone on the defensive.Again, if others come forward with a problem about this I'll go forward with this. But as of now he's the only one.

Based on the facts asserted by the OP, it looks like you're wrong. The written rules state that Week 1 waivers are the reverse order of standings for last year. So, if the OP's team was last, then they are the #1 waiver spot. I understand that the alternative waiver order (based on this year's draft) you've posed is fair and that nobody else has complained -- but that doesn't mean that you are entitled to change the rules once the season has begun.As far as which waiver week you are in -- 1 or 2. It seems to me the logical way of doing waivers is to have them run simultaneous with the corresponding NFL schedule. The NFL is now in Week 2, so the waiver selections for this week should be week 2 waiver selections. Your point above that this is the first week you have done waivers, so this is waiver week 1 is out of the ordinary for most fantasy leagues.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Maybe I'm confused, but aren't we in Week 2 waivers?

That would be after the week 2 games, but who knows w/ this leagueThen I would of been #2 on the list... the guy who got Hall would still be below me!

No, we are in week 2 waivers. The week 1 injury report comes out the week before the first set of games. Waivers done that week would be week 1 waivers, and since you don't have results yet, then using last year's for waiver order makes sense.Now it's week 2. The next injury report won't be the week 1 injury report, it'll be for the week 2 games. Any waivers now, by his rules, should have used the victory points thing.

First, you are right, the wording states what you thought. 2nd, while this may be week 2, this is the first waiver for many leagues and would thus be week 1 waivers. Many leagues don;t use reverse order for the first waiver wire because it some people feel it is worth tanking week 1 to get the guy who stepped up between the draft and this waiver wire. Regardless, you are correct and this commish is wrong

 

[Phil Elliott]

Unless there are league rules to resolve disagreements, the commish is the commish - regardless if you were hosed or not. I would find another league.

Edited: Per your league rules they allow for any disagreements to be put to a vote.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I am the commish in this league. I'm replying via cell phone so bear with me.First things first, the wording in the rules was misleading and not the intent for the rule.Having said that, I havent received complaints from anyone else on the matter otherwise I'd look into making a change here. The fact is though that this guy complains just to complain sometimes (both on here and on the league site) so the routine wears on you after a while. Initially I tried to explain everything rationally to him via league chat and all he had for me was sarcasm and disrespect. You can ask anyone in the leagues I commish....I'm a very understanding and patient guy, but I can only take so much. He is the only one that openly complainsabout anything in my leagues. So is it him or me? His approach to a situation like this always puts someone on the defensive.Again, if others come forward with a problem about this I'll go forward with this. But as of now he's the only one.

Complainers suck as a Commish. However, you are simply not following the rules. The rules as stated would make the reverse order of last year the order of the first waiver wire. When he took the team over, he probably assumed that he would get the first waiver order. The fact that the other owners are not smart enough to read the bylaws is their own issue. You have made a mistake that needs to be corrected.