I was just kicked out of a league. (1 Viewer)

[Twisted]

Well, let me start by saying that this was my second year in this keeper league and I built a damn good team (currently 4-1). I have never had any problems in this league before. Sure, maybe a couple times this year another owner and I would get into a pissing match, but nothing that lasted more than a day and never went beyond a few silly typed words on the computer screen.

Yesterday, the commish posted a thread about out playoff schedule looking for input. He also mentioned that we may up the number of keepers for the 2006 season, but not for next year. I wanted to increase the number for next year and I know a few other owners want to as well.

So I posted this exactly as I have it here -

"I don't think anyone has to really "restructure" anything to keep more players going into next year. Still plenty of time to make trades.Can we at least vote on it after this season?"

Sounds reasonable, right?

So he replies w/this -

"...We will vote in the offseason as to whether or not to increase the number of keepers from the 05 season into the 06 season..."

Yea, I understand that, but why not at least see if the majority wants to increase the number for next year? Can't hurt.

So I replied w/this -

"So you're not even going to allow everyone to vote after this season if they want to keep more players going into next season? If the majority says increase the # 05-06 fine, but why can't we at least vote on it to see where everyone stands?!"

I clearly said that if majority says wait till 2006 then I would e fine w/that. I'd then be more than happy to drop it.

He then tries to turn it around and make it seem like all I care about os my team when he knows that other teams want to increase the number for next year as well.

Here is what he said -

"I know YOU FEEL it is YOUR BEST INTEREST to up the number of keepers... point noted. I am concerned with being FAIR to all owners and giving them ample time to structure their team for a drastic rule change. "

Yes, I did make a brief comment that I would like to keep my great WR corp intact, but that's hardly the only reason I brought this up and that simple comment should not be blown out of proportion like this.

Wouldn't being "fair to all owners" include having a brief vote so we can see if we need to implement this rule for next year or let it die until 2006?

So I then said -

"That's fine. I will start a poll to see if people want to vote on it then. "

And I started a poll asking if people would like to keep more players for next year or wait until 2006 to up the limit.

What happens next? The commish deletes my poll!! At the time of its deletion 7 people voted (including myself) and keeping more players for next year was winning by a small margin.

He then makes this post directed at me -

"I went ahead and deleted your poll. I never casted a vote or looked at the results. I deleted it because your point with the poll is moot. I told you the reason why we wouldn't be voting on whether or not to increase the number of keepers going into next season. Your poll is an outright attempt to say, "see the league says they want to vote on the possibility." You are trying to throw this in my face and one up me. IT IS NOT YOUR ROLE IN THIS LEAGUE TO SET THE TOPICS FOR WHICH THE LEAGE WILL VOTE ON..."

He's way off base w/that assessment. I certainly was not trying to throw anything in anyone's face. It's not a money league. What would I have to gain?

This says to me that he has quite an ego and needs to be right 24/7.

More -

"Let me also remind you that I am the Commish of this league... not you."

Really?! Wow, thanks for clearing that up! Nice way to treat league members Mr Ego.

More still -

"I very much appreciate your input and the input of every member of this league and I try to keep the league fun and accomodating to the general will of the league when I am able. That said, I simply won't put every issue up to a vote that every owner brings up"

You appreciate my input? Fooled me! No one is asking for every issue to be put up. Hell, we rarely have suggestions for new rules and the like. It's once in a blue moon that we do. I could understand that statement if we were constantly wanting to change rules or add new ones.Since he locked that thread so no one could reply I started a new one.

Here is what I said -

"I'll post my reply here. So what you're saying is this is a dictatorship? It certainly can't be OUR league if our opinions get tossed out the window or deleted. Why not let everyone cast a simple vote? If majority says keep more for next year then we vote on how many, but if majority says wait till 2006 then we wait. Don't you want to do what's best for the entire league? If you answered yes, then leaving my poll up would have CLEARLY been the correct choice. No one was trying to "one up" you so check your ego. This is absurd. "

Maybe I should've left the "check your ego" part out, but I felt he was being harsh and egotistical.

Here is his first reply -

"...And yes, this IS a dictatorship.... that is not debatable at this point either. I ask for your input and put many things up to a vote in the offseason... BUT I AM NOT OBLIGATED to put every issue up to a vote that every owner here thinks is vote worthy... PLEASE REALIZE THIS..."

Again, w/the we can't put everything up to a vote bs.

More -

"I will consider the concern of owners... and did consider yours"

Really? Fooled me again...Still more -

" I have considered it and do not want to let 51% of the league make a significant rule change that some owners may really be hurt by."

How would you know what % would be "hurt" unless you let the poll run? Also, lets not forget this trade that was let pass while we're on the subject of teams being "hurt"

Team A gives

RB Quentin Griffin, DEN

2005 2nd rounder

Team B gives:

RB Jamal Lewis, BAL

TE Tony Gonzalez, KC

2005 1st rounder

So then I got a little upset and said some things I shouldn't have -

"I see how it is. I won't bother wasting my time or breath in the future. You keep saying this what's best for the league bs. Well, did you happen to look at the vote before you deleted it like a whiny 5 year old?

Through 7 votes it was almost even w/keeping more players next year in the lead. Seems to me that I'm not the only one that would like the rule change.

Oh well, you can have your ball (the league) and go home. Looks like all you're concerned w/is yourself."

Yes, I could've toned that down, but it's done now.

He then threatens to boot me from the league if I continue to try to keep this very simply and legit issue going -

"...We disagree and that is fine. You have the choice of dropping this issue and staying in the league or keeping up with your antics and being removed from the league... the choice is obviously yours. I hope you chose the former and remain in the league..."

I ask for a simple vote and get this? Wow!

More -

"Honestly, your poll was worded poorly and was setup by you to prove the point that the issue you brought up was "right" and I was "wrong". I deleted it for several reasons... but the main reason is because the point you were attempting to make was moot..."

I don't remember exatly how I wored it, but it was close to "Should we up the number of keepers for next year or wait till the 2006 season?"

What's wrong w/that wording?

So I got a bit more upset & said more -

"However you need to spin it to make yourself feel better and/or right.So now you're threatening to kick me out of the league? ROFL!!

E-threats are for punk kids."

Eh, maybe I could've done w/out posting that, but I felt he was being extremely rude to me.

Now I am booted from the league -

"Well, I was hoping we could move past this and keep this mature... but it appears you won't allow this.My statement before has moved from threat to fact. You are now no longer a member of the FFL. I think it is best for you and the league that we part ways. If you email me you address I will return your $5 to you. I hate to resort to this... but it has become necessary."

Totally unfounded. "necessary"??!!??!! I'd like to know why.

So I just checked the thread and all the ### kissers are going full speed bad mouthing me to the commish. :rotflmao:

I'd like to get some opinions on this matter.

Thanks for reading!

 

[Waddy]

The commish is a ##### and overeacted.Looks to me like he wanted you out of the league for a while and jumped at his chance.But who cares about a piddly $5 league with mini-Hitler as the commish, if I were you I'd be happy to be out.

 

[DragonFire]

Thanks for sharing your personal Peyton Place with us. I would have kicked you out before you joined.

 

[Gerigh38]

5.00 ?

 

[Twisted]

Thanks for sharing your personal Peyton Place with us. I would have kicked you out before you joined.

How about you be constructive instead of a #####?

 

[Twisted]

5.00 ?

Site fees

 

[pyite76]

too long, didn't read

 

[seahawk 17]

As a commish, I would of just said there will be no vote...period, and left it at that. You can make a poll, post whatever you want blah blah blah. I would of never got in a debate with you there is no vote(that's a dictatorship)But I would of never kicked you out either.

 

[Bobcat10]

The commish is an idiot. Sounds like keeping more players next year would not benefit him for some reason. So he used your suggestion against you by saying the only reason you want to vote for next year is because it helps you only. But he was really watching his own back only. Total loser commish.

 

[Da Masses]

"When In Rome........." Don't blame you for standing up like you did for the good of the league, but I've stopped when I saw that no one else was joining in on your side out on the open in the dialog that you and the "commish" had going. Good enough to vote in private but not say anything in public?? BS.I would have kept quiet, whup their butts, won the league, grabbed the cash and quit.

 

[mbuehner]

Dont play in free leagues.

 

[Spike]

Sounds to me like you got in a pissing match with the commish and wouldn't stop, even though he warned you that if you kept it up you'd be gone.It's sort of like when you say something to a child and he doesn't think you'll carry through with the threat.Hopefully it's a lesson learned.

 

[jonboltz]

Adding # of keepers is a drastic change and shouldn't be taken lightly. I'm siding with your commish on this one, as I feel you were being a whiney brat when he decided to wait until after the year to make any drastic changes to the league.

 

[Fiddles.]

Wouldn't want to be in a league where there are no votes for changes. To me commish should only be above members when there are disputes.Bummer you lost your team but you probably saved yourself alot of future headaches by reacting honestly. Be glad you only invested 5 weeks or so.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I am commish of two leagues and i am commish for a reason...I hate not getting my way. I like things a certain way and none of my other friends wanted to take on the responsibility. But when I start to set the league up, they all want input. Ya know what I told them? I said, "You dont have to be in the league. You were asked if you wanted to be commish and you said no. DOnt then try to have your cake and eat it too. I am commish, your not." People are commissioners because most of them are control freaks. If you wanna run a league, start your own. I know most people think the commish should just be there to run the league, but when no one else steps up when offered the role, the commish is being told that they are ruler as well. Its like beinga senator, theya re senator because they were elected, whether by your silence or your vote. DOnt expect them to try and make everyone happy. You said they could be in charge.Thats my .02I try and commish all my leagues, because I would rather be in control and know that the league will be run correctly, than let it be run by someone else who I dont agree with.

 

[Joseph]

what does that trade have to do with anything?I might have missed it as I was skimming over some of the quotes in there.

 

[CalBear]

I think he's wrong for not allowing the vote, but not wrong for kicking you out of the league. If it's a league for fun, who wants to deal with the kind of abuse you're giving him?

 

[Twisted]

Wouldn't want to be in a league where there are no votes for changes. To me commish should only be above members when there are disputes.Bummer you lost your team but you probably saved yourself alot of future headaches by reacting honestly. Be glad you only invested 5 weeks or so.

I was in the league last year too. I Built a very solid team too.

 

[Twisted]

what does that trade have to do with anything?I might have missed it as I was skimming over some of the quotes in there.

He was talking about fairness to the league so I tossed that in my post here. I did not post that trade while going back & forth w/the commish

 

[sdsjr3]

This is the only post I'm going to make in this thread, so as to avoid argument.Quite simply, I think you were wrong. The Commish is the Commish. End of story. He didn't do anything that you can justify as "unfair." You attacking him was "absurd" and "childish". Do I think you should have been booted? Probably not, but it IS the commish's choice, and I think he made his point clear many times over in the thread. You should have dropped it an moved on. Most of the leagues I'm in, the Commish has final word on anything. I'm cool with that so long as they are level-headed and not benefitting themselves. It appears this guy is doing a fine job.After he said NO the first two times you should have let the subject go. Bottom line.And I agree that the Poll thing was an attempt to "one up" him. Not cool.JMHO, and again, I'm not trying to start an argument, but you asked.--Steve

 

[DragonFire]

Thanks for sharing your personal Peyton Place with us. I would have kicked you out before you joined.

How about you be constructive instead of a #####?

Well, know that you've hurt my feelings, I'll tell you what I really think.You went overboard with the poll. The commissioner could have handled the situation better, but from the sound of your e-mails to the commish, it's no surprise you didn't have a fan club.I think your argument was right, but your delivery needs some work.

 

[Twisted]

I think he's wrong for not allowing the vote, but not wrong for kicking you out of the league. If it's a league for fun, who wants to deal with the kind of abuse you're giving him?

Right, just let him abuse the members.

 

[JohnnyU]

Well, this is my take. First let me say the league I commish allows anyone to bring something to a vote. The only way I would intervene and not allow a vote, is if the topic being voted on threatens the integrity of the league. That is at my discretion. I don't recall ever not allowing a vote. Maybe once, but I can't remember. Back to your problem. I think once the commish made it clear it wouldn't be up for a vote, you should have backed down and dropped the subject. If you were unable to do that, then parting ways is probably the best for all concerned.Edited - I forgot to say that we DON'T VOTE on rule changes during the season unless the integrity of the league is threatened by some unforeseen event. Again, that's at my discretion.

 

[aardball44]

Can I borrow five bucks?

 

[QB11]

Voting on every issue throughout the year can cause problems. We have had a league for over 10 years and we only talk rules at a particular meeting after the season and vote on rules SuperBowl Sunday before the game - all rules go into effect the next year - less fighting during the year plus changing any rules during the year is really bad.Looks like an uncomfortable situation that, for $5, should have been dealt with alittle less intense. Sorry to hear you've been booted - hope you have other options.

 

[Twisted]

And I agree that the Poll thing was an attempt to "one up" him. Not cool.

I already stated that was NOT my intention

 

[3C's]

You should dropped the whole deal long ago. Sometimes there are battles that you can win, others you can't.

 

[5Rings]

Dude, have you ever been a commish?Your pissing and moaning is ridiculous. Commish's don't need to put up with #### like that. The whole thread reeks of a schoolyard pissing match. You are wrong in this instance.

 

[Jason Wood]

You're better off leaving that league. I'm constantly amazed by the a-holes I hear about commishing leagues. Being a commish should be nothing more than being the guy that facilitates the league running smoothly, everything in terms of rules and future direction should be open for debate and majority rule IMHO.

 

[Mrskoal333]

As soon as you started your own poll on whether to have more keepers or not you shoulda been booted because that was not your job to do so. For 1 thing you have to be straight about how many keepers you will have BEFORE the season starts so everyone can determine axactly which guys they draft (young, old, or indefifferent). You trying to change it half way thru the season is a terrible mistake by you. Your not the commishioner and should have just brought it up and let it go after his decision, he is the commish and not you. You want to run the league and change the rules as the season goes along, run your own league, which will be a lousy run league and unfair if you change the rules after the season starts and not have solid rules from the beginning.

 

[denver90]

Wouldn't being "fair to all owners" include having a brief vote so we can see if we need to implement this rule for next year or let it die until 2006?

Only if it's unanimous, which it wouldn't have been.At the risk of starting an argument that your ego won't let end.He's right...you're wrong!

 

[Twisted]

Dude, have you ever been a commish?Your pissing and moaning is ridiculous. Commish's don't need to put up with #### like that. The whole thread reeks of a schoolyard pissing match. You are wrong in this instance.

Yes, I do commish a league and am always open to suggestions for spicing the league up. Thanks for your input, though.

 

[Spike]

I think he's wrong for not allowing the vote, but not wrong for kicking you out of the league. If it's a league for fun, who wants to deal with the kind of abuse you're giving him?

Right, just let him abuse the members.

Dude, you asked for our opinion on this.If you are going to argue our opinions, why don't you tell us what our opinions should be so you'll feel better about this.

 

[Twisted]

As soon as you started your own poll on whether to have more keepers or not you shoulda been booted because that was not your job to do so. For 1 thing you have to be straight about how many keepers you will have BEFORE the season starts so everyone can determine axactly which guys they draft (young, old, or indefifferent). You trying to change it half way thru the season is a terrible mistake by you. Your not the commishioner and should have just brought it up and let it go after his decision, he is the commish and not you. You want to run the league and change the rules as the season goes along, run your own league, which will be a lousy run league and unfair if you change the rules after the season starts and not have solid rules from the beginning.

Uh, no rules for THIS year would have been changed. This was for NEXT year.

 

[Twisted]

I think he's wrong for not allowing the vote, but not wrong for kicking you out of the league.  If it's a league for fun, who wants to deal with the kind of abuse you're giving him?

Right, just let him abuse the members.

Dude, you asked for our opinion on this.If you are going to argue our opinions, why don't you tell us what our opinions should be so you'll feel better about this.

Thanks for taking my post out of context.

 

[aardball44]

This is the only post I'm going to make in this thread, so as to avoid argument.Quite simply, I think you were wrong. The Commish is the Commish. End of story. He didn't do anything that you can justify as "unfair." You attacking him was "absurd" and "childish". Do I think you should have been booted? Probably not, but it IS the commish's choice, and I think he made his point clear many times over in the thread. You should have dropped it an moved on. Most of the leagues I'm in, the Commish has final word on anything. I'm cool with that so long as they are level-headed and not benefitting themselves. It appears this guy is doing a fine job.After he said NO the first two times you should have let the subject go. Bottom line.And I agree that the Poll thing was an attempt to "one up" him. Not cool.JMHO, and again, I'm not trying to start an argument, but you asked.--Steve

You won't have to post again, sds. I'll just bump your post and say I agree with you. Except for the part where you said the Commish should not have booted this owner. As a league commissioner, I wouldn't put up with that childish horse####.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I think he's wrong for not allowing the vote, but not wrong for kicking you out of the league.  If it's a league for fun, who wants to deal with the kind of abuse you're giving him?

Right, just let him abuse the members.

Dude, you asked for our opinion on this.If you are going to argue our opinions, why don't you tell us what our opinions should be so you'll feel better about this.

Amen to that...your searching for validation here, thats all I cans ee....you need to step back a little bit and see the situation objectively.

 

[Wheelhouse]

If it's a free league, what does the $5.00 go towards? How much does the commish rake in? $50.00 just to run the league?You appear to be a bigger fish than the others and you should look for a bigger pond. :twocents:

 

[TX-Bolt-Fan]

His league... his rules. I would have kicked you out too. It's fine and dandy for you as an owner to offer up suggestions, but it's not your place to impose your opinions on the league. You got in a pissing match and lost. Try running your own league sometime, and you'll quickly see how you were in wrong and at fault.TXBF

 

[Twisted]

If it's a free league, what does the $5.00 go towards? How much does the commish rake in? $50.00 just to run the league?

You appear to be a bigger fish than the others and you should look for a bigger pond.

:twocents:

The $5 was for site fees.I have been thining about going to some money leagues & doing away w/these free ones. Looks like next year I will do just that after this bs!

It's ashame, though, my team had a very good shot at winning it all this year.

 

[Muahahaha]

BOTH of you appear to have handled this in a very unfortunate manner....You insulted him by calling him names and he took his ball and went home.

 

[Twisted]

His league... his rules. I would have kicked you out too. It's fine and dandy for you as an owner to offer up suggestions, but it's not your place to impose your opinions on the league. You got in a pissing match and lost. Try running your own league sometime, and you'll quickly see how you were in wrong and at fault.TXBF

Scroll back a few posts. I already said I do run a league

 

[Tau837]

Adding # of keepers is a drastic change and shouldn't be taken lightly. I'm siding with your commish on this one, as I feel you were being a whiney brat when he decided to wait until after the year to make any drastic changes to the league.

Yep.

 

[DragonFire]

If it's a free league, what does the $5.00 go towards? How much does the commish rake in? $50.00 just to run the league?You appear to be a bigger fish than the others and you should look for a bigger pond. :twocents:

Ummm, have you heard of MFL or Sportsline? Being commish doesn't have to mean coughing up $50 to $200 to run a league. It's called chipping in.

 

[Neo]

Can I take over that team? Sounds like you had a nice core.....Seriously, you went a bit over the line.....however I wouldn't want to be in a league where the league as a whole doesn't decide...whether that be through a poll or a vote. FF is supposed to be fun, especially in free leagues. I wouldn't want to be involved in a league that uptight over no money.

 

[DragonFire]

If it's a free league, what does the $5.00 go towards? How much does the commish rake in? $50.00 just to run the league?

You appear to be a bigger fish than the others and you should look for a bigger pond.

:twocents:

The $5 was for site fees.I have been thining about going to some money leagues & doing away w/these free ones. Looks like next year I will do just that after this bs!

It's ashame, though, my team had a very good shot at winning it all this year.

If you think this problem has anything to do with it being a "free" vs "money" league, you've fooled yourself. This has to do with the way to guys handled a disagreement. It happens in both kinds of leagues when rational minds lose out.

 

[KTM]

Being a commish should be nothing more than being the guy that facilitates the league running smoothly, everything in terms of rules and future direction should be open for debate and majority rule IMHO.

 

[Arm Chair Express]

The commish is an idiot. Sounds like keeping more players next year would not benefit him for some reason. So he used your suggestion against you by saying the only reason you want to vote for next year is because it helps you only. But he was really watching his own back only. Total loser commish.

Although I agree the commish sounds like a moron and overreacted, He has a point. Even if the league (10 team?) voted 6-4 in favor of voting on this. Its still the Commish's job to look out for the entire league not just the 6 that voted for the increase. Votes like this should be conducted before you draft so you can draft accordingly. My league voted prior to our draft this year for a roster increase next year so teams could draft with that in mind. You also overreacted by calling the commish out with a poll AKA vote after he said he'd do it in the offseason. Your both in the wrong, but I don't believe he should have booted you for this crap!

 

[citydawg]

I am commish of two leagues and i am commish for a reason...I hate not getting my way. I like things a certain way and none of my other friends wanted to take on the responsibility. But when I start to set the league up, they all want input. Ya know what I told them? I said, "You dont have to be in the league. You were asked if you wanted to be commish and you said no. DOnt then try to have your cake and eat it too. I am commish, your not." People are commissioners because most of them are control freaks. If you wanna run a league, start your own. I know most people think the commish should just be there to run the league, but when no one else steps up when offered the role, the commish is being told that they are ruler as well. Its like beinga senator, theya re senator because they were elected, whether by your silence or your vote. DOnt expect them to try and make everyone happy. You said they could be in charge.Thats my .02I try and commish all my leagues, because I would rather be in control and know that the league will be run correctly, than let it be run by someone else who I dont agree with.

I agree with this post completely. I am also commish for the exact same reasons.

 

[Twisted]

Can I take over that team? Sounds like you had a nice core.....Seriously, you went a bit over the line.....however I wouldn't want to be in a league where the league as a whole doesn't decide...whether that be through a poll or a vote. FF is supposed to be fun, especially in free leagues. I wouldn't want to be involved in a league that uptight over no money.

Just FYI, here was my roster. Standard scoring + 0.5 pt per reception. I was 4-1 so far & about to be 5-1 after a crucial division game.Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 TE, 1 WR, 3 Flex (WR/RB), 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 IDP Flex, 1 DBPos Player Tm Bye QB C. Pennington NYJ 3 QB B. Leftwich JAC 9 RB T. Henry BUF 3 RB T. Duckett ATL 9 RB S. Jackson STL 8 RB C. Perry CIN 5 RB T. Hollings HOU 7 RB R. Anderson DAL 4 WR R. Moss MIN 4 WR A. Johnson HOU 7 WR J. Walker GB 9 WR D. Terrell CHI 5 WR R. Curry OAK 10 WR D. Patten NE 3 TE J. Wiggins MIN 4 PK S. Janikowski OAK 10 DL M. Strahan NYG 6 DL J. Hall DET 4 LB B. Urlacher CHI 5 LB M. Peterson JAC 9 LB J. Vilma NYJ 3 DB B. Scott ATL 9