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trying to trade IDP for offense is near impossible to get appropriate value in return
I've experienced the same and adapted. Others plainly won't trade defense for offense unless they're both jammed and have a flimsy piece on O that's also not essential. All I got for McFadden last year was a 3rd rd pick and all I got for Payton Wilson this spring (this is the other move I mentioned) was Brian Robinson (that turned out great!). I've generally shifted to trades like the one for McFadden - it's not directly defense for offense, but it does position me to make another trade to get up high enough in the draft to consider one or get someone that slips. This year it ended up being Fannin. I'm hoping to do something similar again if I feel like I have enough hits come October, we'll see...

That To'oTo'o, Speights, and Milano were free agents in your league is something that probably wouldn't happen in our league.
Just an aside, you mentioned it's 40 keepers then 50 active, right? That's how To'oTo'o and Speights ended up available May 2024 - the former was cut pre rookie draft and the latter wasn't picked. I think I got Milano via similar means as To'oTo'o and know I did Luvu, but that was so long ago I don't remember specifics. I did get Simon via the exact same scenario as Speights though.
 
Myles Garrett did not practice today (hip).

Hopefully he returns to practice tomorrow. Any Cleveland homers (MAC_32?) are welcome to pitch in.
 
Update: Myles Garrett practiced on Friday.

Garrett (hip) doesn't carry an injury designation into Sunday's Week 1 game against the Bengals, Daniel Oyefusi of ESPN.com reports.
 
Titans have apparently just signed Kyzir White. Not sure what that means for Gray and Williams.

I don’t get why they would wait so long to sign him.
Anyone who makes the initial 53 man rosters, gets their entire contract guaranteed. The vet minimum for Kyzir is a lot more than some late round pick. They want to start Gray/ Williams, they think. They WANT one of them to win the job, and be a long term answer. They don't want to start Kyzir.

So after final cuts, they sign him to the practice squad, which i think they did, he practices, learns the system, and if both the kids suck, they break the emergency glass.

I wouldn't be shocked if this was worked out with him a while ago, he probably had a few offers like this, and like his odds with the two young guys.


Just a guess
Good guess.
 
Devin White with 10 tackles, seven of which are solo, and one for a loss already in the third?

Didn't start him and hope he holds the job and can I get a "yes, please and more."

We will see if he can hang on to this dot.
 
@Tick Are you looking for linebackers or all IDP? His Twitter feed is replete with LB snap percentage and recommendations.
I left that site a few years ago. He and Woellert are the only things I miss from it. It's mainly DB info I'm after - what percentage isn't deep.

ETA: Scanning through now, https://x.com/PFF_Macri/status/1964817575621382649 is good to see for Tykee.

Gotcha. The DB snap share and box percentage is a huge benefit to having PFF.

eta* I’ve left that site twice. Not good for my disposition but FF has taken precedence and I’ve tuned back in and have reset my mind to deal with even the FF bro garbage.
 
@Tick Are you looking for linebackers or all IDP? His Twitter feed is replete with LB snap percentage and recommendations.
I left that site a few years ago. He and Woellert are the only things I miss from it. It's mainly DB info I'm after - what percentage isn't deep.

ETA: Scanning through now, https://x.com/PFF_Macri/status/1964817575621382649 is good to see for Tykee.

Hey Tick, I'm getting the rundown and I don't have a subscription. I hope this works for you.

 
@Tick Are you looking for linebackers or all IDP? His Twitter feed is replete with LB snap percentage and recommendations.
I left that site a few years ago. He and Woellert are the only things I miss from it. It's mainly DB info I'm after - what percentage isn't deep.

ETA: Scanning through now, https://x.com/PFF_Macri/status/1964817575621382649 is good to see for Tykee.

Hey Tick, I'm getting the rundown and I don't have a subscription. I hope this works for you.


Nice. IIRC from last year, the first couple weeks are free.
 
Damn I didn’t know Blackmon got hurt. Will be adding Sanker.

Head coach Kellen Moore said Monday that Blackmon (shoulder) could be sidelined "for a long time" and possibly the entire 2025 season, Katherine Terrell of ESPN.com reports.
Analysis: Blackmon suffered the injury during Sunday's 20-13 loss to the Cardinals. Ian initially reported that Blackmon is feared to have suffered a torn labrum, which would put the 2020 third-rounder in jeopardy of missing the rest of the season. Jordan Howden (oblique) and Jonas Sanker would be the top candidates to start alongside Justin Reid at safety if Blackmon is sidelined.
 
@Tick Are you looking for linebackers or all IDP? His Twitter feed is replete with LB snap percentage and recommendations.
I left that site a few years ago. He and Woellert are the only things I miss from it. It's mainly DB info I'm after - what percentage isn't deep.

ETA: Scanning through now, https://x.com/PFF_Macri/status/1964817575621382649 is good to see for Tykee.

Hey Tick, I'm getting the rundown and I don't have a subscription. I hope this works for you.


Nice. IIRC from last year, the first couple weeks are free.

I think you're exactly right. It'll be too bad when it goes behind the wall. Their subscription got too expensive for me. Over one hundred dollars is just not what I'm looking to spend.
 
  • LB Kenneth Murray, Dallas Cowboys: Murray earning the lone green-dot linebacker spot was the likely outcome back in May, but offseason reports began to point toward Jack Sanborn in that role, given his experience in Matt Eberflus’ defense. However, Week 1 provided our first surprise of the season with Murray taking on that role, making him the most relevant Cowboys linebacker for IDP going forward.
  • LB Justin Strnad, Denver Broncos: Strnad can be used in deep IDP leagues for as long as Dre Greenlaw is out. Strnad only played about two-thirds of the defensive snaps, which isn’t the expectation for Greenlaw when he’s back but will be exclusive to Strnad when he’s filling in.
  • LB Troy Dye, Los Angeles Chargers: Dye filled in for the injured Denzel Perryman, though he’ll only be a deep IDP league option, as he played just 63% of the snaps once Perryman was out of the game. If/when Perryman returns, neither player will be usable in most IDP formats.
  • LB SirVocea Dennis, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Dennis played a full-time role and delivered a strong IDP performance. Dennis can now be added and trusted in most IDP formats with this encouraging usage.
  • LB Cedric Gray, Tennessee Titans: Gray worked as the clear LB2 option next to Cody Barton. While Gray was not a full-time player, he also had no competition for that role with Kyzir White remaining on the practice squad and James Williams relegated to playing exclusively on special teams. Gray can be utilized in deeper IDP leagues.
  • S Javon Bullard, Green Bay Packers: With Nate Hobbs out for this game, Bullard assumed the primary slot duties while also sharing time at safety with Evan Williams. While this usage is likely to change with Hobbs back in the lineup, Bullard can be a streaming option in the meantime.
  • S Jonas Sanker, New Orleans Saints: If Julian Blackmon is out for any length of time, rookie Sanker should be the next man up and worth a shot in IDP leagues as a prospect with ability around the line of scrimmage.
  • S Craig Woodson and Jaylinn Hawkins, New England Patriots: Both Hawkins and rookie Woodson were 100%-snap safeties for the Patriots this week, and both players delivered strong IDP performances. Woodson’s box usage will push him up the rankings as the primary target in IDP leagues, though Hawkins can still be an option as well.
  • S Chuck Clark, Pittsburgh Steelers: Clark filled in for the injured Elliott and played 28% of his snaps in the box. Clark can be an IDP option for us for as long as Elliott is out.
  • S Marques Sigle and Jason Pinnock, San Francisco 49ers: Sigle surprised and emerged as a full-time starting safety for the 49ers this week. Sigle landed six total tackles and a fumble recovery, but more importantly, he played every snap and over 60% of his snaps in the box, making him a top IDP target for teams in need of safety help. Pinnock is also an option because he gets the same usage.
  • ED Marcus Davenport, Detroit Lions: Davenport operated as the second starting edge next to Hutchinson, and while he didn’t play nearly as much, his near 70% snap share was solid enough to land a sack. He can be a potential streaming option as needed this season, as long as he stays healthy.
  • DT Devonte Wyatt, Green Bay Packers: With Kenny Clark off to Dallas, Wyatt took on a larger role and was able to deliver a sack in this game. Wyatt had moments of IDP relevance last season, and if he’s now able to sustain that level of play across an entire season and larger snap share, he’ll be a starting option in DT-required leagues.
  • ED Cameron Jordan, New Orleans Saints: With Chase Young out for this game, Jordan played a larger workload and got home for 1.5 sacks. He also has DT-eligibility on MFL and can be an option in DT-required leagues for as long as Young is out.
 
Here are a couple:
  • Devin White
  • Sirvocea Dennis
  • Pete Werner
  • Devine Deablo
The lesson that I am taking away from week 1 is I need to remember patience with young LBs on my dynasty roster.

If you play in short bench IDP, this doesn't apply. But in deep leagues that I play, LBs are clearly scarce, and their trade value is high. 2nd and 3rd round picks are on the table. Usually, the owners who don't pay quite as much attention as others. I assume this is true in a lot of leagues. I never draft the flashy rookies, because I won't draft LB early.
We've had a bunch of low profile guys take over high volume jobs this year, and some of them, like Dennis and Winters, you could see coming. Winters was buried behind two good LB when he was drafted, but it was clear, financially, SF couldn't keep both. And Winters, athletically, had all the tools. Sirvocea Dennis, it was always likely Britt wasn't going to be re-signed.

I'm looking for young LBs, who are behind a JAG on a one year deal. I want to draft them later in rookie drafts, and stick them on my taxi squad. And in my leagues, sometimes these guys are dropped during the season. I could probably trade Winters and Dennis for 3rd rounders right now. Far as I am concerned, that's trading an unknown quantity for an extra chance at Harold effing Fannin.

Off the top of my head, this year, Marist Liufau and Tommy Eichenberg come to mind this season.
I had Liufau on taxi last year, and almost cut him this year, seems like a crowded room. Murray, Sanborn, Damone Clark are all FA after the season. Room is empty after this season, aside from Overshown. Stuck him on taxi one more year.
Eichenberg is behind Elandon, Devin White, Pratt, Jamal Adams. All one-year deals. And the new staff hasn't buried him on the depth chart, he got good work on preseason.
3rd season for both these guys next year, with a LB room that clears out, and if the team thinks they can fill a starting spot with a rookie contract, they will do so.
 
Speaking of the 49er's, their snap count breakdown at the safety position changed drastically with the return of Brown and Mustapha.

Weeks 1-5: Sigle and Pinnock played 100% of the snaps.
Week 6: Brown 100%, Sigle 60%, Mustapha 40%, and Pinnock ZERO.

Just a heads up in case you've been counting on Sigle or Pinnock. May want to steer clear going forward, at least for Pinnock.
 
Speaking of the 49er's, their snap count breakdown at the safety position changed drastically with the return of Brown and Mustapha.

Weeks 1-5: Sigle and Pinnock played 100% of the snaps.
Week 6: Brown 100%, Sigle 60%, Mustapha 40%, and Pinnock ZERO.

Just a heads up in case you've been counting on Sigle or Pinnock. May want to steer clear going forward, at least for Pinnock.
Sigle's going to be phased out as long as Mustapha's health continues to trend upwards.
 
@MAC_32 or any other Browns watchers, who was the 100% LB after Schwesinger went out? Woellert says Diabate had the dot, Macri says Bush was full-time and Diabate was part-time after the injury.
 
@MAC_32 or any other Browns watchers, who was the 100% LB after Schwesinger went out? Woellert says Diabate had the dot, Macri says Bush was full-time and Diabate was part-time after the injury.
He only missed 5 plays and it was already a 3 score game - I don't think there's anything worth reading into with usage. Bush already being a near full timer with Schwesinger says much more than anything.
 
Speaking of the 49er's, their snap count breakdown at the safety position changed drastically with the return of Brown and Mustapha.

Weeks 1-5: Sigle and Pinnock played 100% of the snaps.
Week 6: Brown 100%, Sigle 60%, Mustapha 40%, and Pinnock ZERO.

Just a heads up in case you've been counting on Sigle or Pinnock. May want to steer clear going forward, at least for Pinnock.
Sigle's going to be phased out as long as Mustapha's health continues to trend upwards.
Mustapha was a 100%er yesterday, Sigle didn't play a defensive snap.
 
Whats going on with Barton in Tenn? Guy seems to play every snap but is barely tackling people. Is it scheme or business decisions?
And to make it worse the FBG weekly rankings always give him a decent outing
 
Whats going on with Barton in Tenn? Guy seems to play every snap but is barely tackling people. Is it scheme or business decisions?
And to make it worse the FBG weekly rankings always give him a decent outing
Can't say that I have watched more than 10 total plays all year of a Titans game. I have no idea what is going on there.
 
Whats going on with Barton in Tenn? Guy seems to play every snap but is barely tackling people. Is it scheme or business decisions?
And to make it worse the FBG weekly rankings always give him a decent outing
Can't say that I have watched more than 10 total plays all year of a Titans game. I have no idea what is going on there.

It was crazy, bro got and INT for a TD right in the beginning then basically disappeared.
 
This will be boring to y'all, but tough noogies.

I've been a Jaelen Phillips guy since he came out. I'm a UM fan, liked his story, and he's been on my roster since rookie year. Mainly IR. But he looks really good when he plays, he's still young, he's one of my guys.

But earlier this season, I let him go, I figured with three man rotation at DE, output for all would be sporadic, and the team is a disaster. A d I have a bunch of DE, as I am sure you do as well.

He was picked up, and a few weeks later, I was making a trade with owner who grabbed him. My player for a pick, and he had to include a player becuz roster limits. He threw in Phillips. We had a little laugh about it.

After this trade, Philips gets a little more interesting, and the guy who threw him in to the deal is the biggest Eagles Homer you have ever seen, and is kinda really unhappy about it. :-)
 
This will be boring to y'all, but tough noogies.

I've been a Jaelen Phillips guy since he came out. I'm a UM fan, liked his story, and he's been on my roster since rookie year. Mainly IR. But he looks really good when he plays, he's still young, he's one of my guys.

But earlier this season, I let him go, I figured with three man rotation at DE, output for all would be sporadic, and the team is a disaster. A d I have a bunch of DE, as I am sure you do as well.

He was picked up, and a few weeks later, I was making a trade with owner who grabbed him. My player for a pick, and he had to include a player becuz roster limits. He threw in Phillips. We had a little laugh about it.

After this trade, Philips gets a little more interesting, and the guy who threw him in to the deal is the biggest Eagles Homer you have ever seen, and is kinda really unhappy about it. :-)
Trade him back.
 
With the trade to San Fran for Keion White what do people think he will do there? He was awesome last year so it's so weird that he was basically benched this year. Anybody know what happened in NE other than coaching change? What is his outlook in SF?
 
With the trade to San Fran for Keion White what do people think he will do there? He was awesome last year so it's so weird that he was basically benched this year. Anybody know what happened in NE other than coaching change? What is his outlook in SF?
Seems really strong - with Mykel Williams getting injured, I think White plays DE with a DT designation.
 
I think that trying to pin down a usable linebacker in a tackle-heavy dynasty league format (those two adjectives are very important) that requires three linebackers quite simply requires a different type of roster allowance than our league currently allows
What you're describing appears to be similar to the league I added Schwesinger. To be clear, I'm not sharing this to toot my own horn, but rather as a perspective to consider rather than punting the position. Each year we cut down to 34 with a 7 person taxi (2 years of experience or less). Right now 10 of those spots are committed to LB's, which isn't unusual. Due to the volatility of the position I think it's important to have a mixture of vets & yutes and restrict investment; below are acquisition prices

Luvu - free agent dart from several years ago
Milano - free agent dart from several years before Luvu
Greenlaw - pick 4.3 from 2019
T Andersen - pick 2.12 from 2022
C Gray - pick 5.9 from 2024
Speights - free agent dart from last summer
To'oTo'o - free agent dart from last summer
Carlies - free agent dart from last fall
Schwesinger - traded 2.12 and 3.12 this year for pick 2.9 and took him
C Simon - free agent dart from this summer

Some of those guys are going to miss, some arguably already have, but I expect some of them to hit, and if I hit enough of them I may trade them too. Ultimately, I try to ensure I have at least 5 that I can play any given time, but if I have more (I might this year) there's usually opportunities to move them (I know I moved McFadden last year, feel like there was another too). Is something like this not attainable in your league? I really don't spend much time at all scouring the bottom of the barrel. Pre rookie draft (post NFL) I identify scenarios to be ready for, post-draft I'll look at those that slipped through (including vets), and during the season I look for potential opportunities. There's not a science to what I do in-season, but many weeks in-season I don't devote more time than however long I'm on the can Tuesday morning and I'm mostly checked out in the offseason except for late April - mid May. I could devote more time if I wanted to prioritize it, but this seems to be working as is so I'm not going to until there's a reason to consider changing.

Sorry if I touched a nerve

MAC, thanks for the response. A bunch. No, you didn't touch a nerve. If I've conveyed that then I've been misfiring in tone. I just want to explain in detail what I think about the situation in our league and where it's become difficult for me to treat LBs as anything but a sort of stressful thing. My linebacking corps looks similar to yours in the method of construction without the quality of guys like Schwesinger or Milano. That To'oTo'o, Speights, and Milano were free agents in your league is something that probably wouldn't happen in our league. Our rosters are bigger, so that's naturally the case.

I think, if I'm honest about it, I might just have had a bit of bad luck or have cut guys that I might have left when I see your roster. I have almost no draft capital used in mine right now partially due to my own experience and partially due to tracking other people's experiences. I have used capital before. I took Parsons with a 2.04 when he came out and they turned him into a DL. I took Jamin Davis (total bust you just couldn't ever use) that same year with the 2.05 and then JOK with the 2.11 to finish it off. I figured they would anchor the room and I would use free agency to fill in any gaps.

That didn't work out at all. Micah had about half a year of playing MLB for Dallas and then he was strictly DL, and like I explained, he was totally useless for 1.5 years. J. Davis was a bust and unusable and JOK was never a stalwart or he was injured and I traded him this year because he's in some sort of physical condition that you can't really get anyone to talk about on the record, and they've replaced him with Schwesinger.

Our LB rooms' methodology is very similar, though. I also added Cody Simon this summer, and if you want to equate Nate Landman with a guy like Milano, I had him but cut him in a roster crunch last year after having held him for two years when he was not playing in Atlanta. I certainly could have added Carlies last year and was on top of it (we talked about it in this very forum) but our transactions cost money, and due to the fact that I received the second-least allotment and had spent a bunch of it, I wasn't able to add guys at times because I was playoff-bound and needed it for the extra three weeks. That budget crunch adds to the frustration of our league. But there are similarities we share. I also have Luvu in my linebacker corps. My LBs are weak right now, but for the most part it has looked suspiciously like yours save for the times I get extended and have to cut somebody from the roster. It's also partially the pains of going to three straight finals and what I have to do to stay afloat.

My vociferousness, I guess, comes from the desire to have the best rooms of all the positions in a way that's appropriate for our league scoring, which is weighted towards offense no matter how much our league concentrates on the full IDP part of it all. I traded Parsons for Brian Thomas Jr. before Thomas even approached going nuts (it was Week 2 or 3) and it was pretty much acknowledged that the way our league is that it was a really good deal for me.

I also really wanted to make the theoretical point that in a tackle-heavy league slightly skewed towards offense it doesn't make sense to use those draft picks on LBs because of the vagaries of the position in the NFL. I've taken a keen interest in it, and I just don't see much reason to use draft capital. For every Schwesinger (and Gally rightly points out he hasn't necessarily hit) there's a Jack Campbell that went in our first round and hasn't hit yet. It's been three years. Devin Lloyd went in the first in our league. Now that looks like a disaster. It might be where our league drafts, but I don't see even a round later why I would spend the draft capital on a position I honestly think is so dependent on each situation, organization, player, and coach that you really can't predict with confidence or accuracy, so your heavy capital and even dart throws seem better spent elsewhere. That's what I'm trying to advance with all this text.

It's not really a nerve or being upset. This is just how I think and my reasoning. I will say that in our league, Gally has an excellent LB room. But they're unfortunately devalued compared to the offensive guys and I think he will tell you it is often difficult to find value in a trade. It's just that way.

So that's about it. I hope that clears up both the substantive nature of what I'm saying and also the tonal/emotional part of it. I plan to keep playing and when I say I'm "punting" LB what I mean is that I'm actually going to keep constructing it a lot like you are, just minus that 2.09 for Schwesinger. That's really the biggest difference. Peace.
Rock's recent liking of a post upstream related to this content is motivating me to share an update. The team I broke down in the quoted now also has Drake Thomas, Barrett Carter, and Francisco Mauigoa through waivers.

Plan for week 1 was Luvu / Greenlaw / Milano
Bench was To'oTo'o / Andersen / Carlies / Speights
Taxi was Gray / Schwesinger / Simon

Now my lineup is Gray / Schwesinger / Thomas
Bench is Luvu / Greenlaw / To'oTo'o / Speights
Taxi is Carter / Mauigoa / Simon
Carlies and Andersen on IR

I don't share to LOOK AT ME but rather to contextualize how I manage the position. Throwing dart after dart after dart is part of the approach. There is space to invest in the position though. Now that I appear to have some stability, I'm hoping to move Luvu in a pick swap (I did this with Anzalone in a different league) so I can promote Carter.
 
I think that trying to pin down a usable linebacker in a tackle-heavy dynasty league format (those two adjectives are very important) that requires three linebackers quite simply requires a different type of roster allowance than our league currently allows
What you're describing appears to be similar to the league I added Schwesinger. To be clear, I'm not sharing this to toot my own horn, but rather as a perspective to consider rather than punting the position. Each year we cut down to 34 with a 7 person taxi (2 years of experience or less). Right now 10 of those spots are committed to LB's, which isn't unusual. Due to the volatility of the position I think it's important to have a mixture of vets & yutes and restrict investment; below are acquisition prices

Luvu - free agent dart from several years ago
Milano - free agent dart from several years before Luvu
Greenlaw - pick 4.3 from 2019
T Andersen - pick 2.12 from 2022
C Gray - pick 5.9 from 2024
Speights - free agent dart from last summer
To'oTo'o - free agent dart from last summer
Carlies - free agent dart from last fall
Schwesinger - traded 2.12 and 3.12 this year for pick 2.9 and took him
C Simon - free agent dart from this summer

Some of those guys are going to miss, some arguably already have, but I expect some of them to hit, and if I hit enough of them I may trade them too. Ultimately, I try to ensure I have at least 5 that I can play any given time, but if I have more (I might this year) there's usually opportunities to move them (I know I moved McFadden last year, feel like there was another too). Is something like this not attainable in your league? I really don't spend much time at all scouring the bottom of the barrel. Pre rookie draft (post NFL) I identify scenarios to be ready for, post-draft I'll look at those that slipped through (including vets), and during the season I look for potential opportunities. There's not a science to what I do in-season, but many weeks in-season I don't devote more time than however long I'm on the can Tuesday morning and I'm mostly checked out in the offseason except for late April - mid May. I could devote more time if I wanted to prioritize it, but this seems to be working as is so I'm not going to until there's a reason to consider changing.

Sorry if I touched a nerve

MAC, thanks for the response. A bunch. No, you didn't touch a nerve. If I've conveyed that then I've been misfiring in tone. I just want to explain in detail what I think about the situation in our league and where it's become difficult for me to treat LBs as anything but a sort of stressful thing. My linebacking corps looks similar to yours in the method of construction without the quality of guys like Schwesinger or Milano. That To'oTo'o, Speights, and Milano were free agents in your league is something that probably wouldn't happen in our league. Our rosters are bigger, so that's naturally the case.

I think, if I'm honest about it, I might just have had a bit of bad luck or have cut guys that I might have left when I see your roster. I have almost no draft capital used in mine right now partially due to my own experience and partially due to tracking other people's experiences. I have used capital before. I took Parsons with a 2.04 when he came out and they turned him into a DL. I took Jamin Davis (total bust you just couldn't ever use) that same year with the 2.05 and then JOK with the 2.11 to finish it off. I figured they would anchor the room and I would use free agency to fill in any gaps.

That didn't work out at all. Micah had about half a year of playing MLB for Dallas and then he was strictly DL, and like I explained, he was totally useless for 1.5 years. J. Davis was a bust and unusable and JOK was never a stalwart or he was injured and I traded him this year because he's in some sort of physical condition that you can't really get anyone to talk about on the record, and they've replaced him with Schwesinger.

Our LB rooms' methodology is very similar, though. I also added Cody Simon this summer, and if you want to equate Nate Landman with a guy like Milano, I had him but cut him in a roster crunch last year after having held him for two years when he was not playing in Atlanta. I certainly could have added Carlies last year and was on top of it (we talked about it in this very forum) but our transactions cost money, and due to the fact that I received the second-least allotment and had spent a bunch of it, I wasn't able to add guys at times because I was playoff-bound and needed it for the extra three weeks. That budget crunch adds to the frustration of our league. But there are similarities we share. I also have Luvu in my linebacker corps. My LBs are weak right now, but for the most part it has looked suspiciously like yours save for the times I get extended and have to cut somebody from the roster. It's also partially the pains of going to three straight finals and what I have to do to stay afloat.

My vociferousness, I guess, comes from the desire to have the best rooms of all the positions in a way that's appropriate for our league scoring, which is weighted towards offense no matter how much our league concentrates on the full IDP part of it all. I traded Parsons for Brian Thomas Jr. before Thomas even approached going nuts (it was Week 2 or 3) and it was pretty much acknowledged that the way our league is that it was a really good deal for me.

I also really wanted to make the theoretical point that in a tackle-heavy league slightly skewed towards offense it doesn't make sense to use those draft picks on LBs because of the vagaries of the position in the NFL. I've taken a keen interest in it, and I just don't see much reason to use draft capital. For every Schwesinger (and Gally rightly points out he hasn't necessarily hit) there's a Jack Campbell that went in our first round and hasn't hit yet. It's been three years. Devin Lloyd went in the first in our league. Now that looks like a disaster. It might be where our league drafts, but I don't see even a round later why I would spend the draft capital on a position I honestly think is so dependent on each situation, organization, player, and coach that you really can't predict with confidence or accuracy, so your heavy capital and even dart throws seem better spent elsewhere. That's what I'm trying to advance with all this text.

It's not really a nerve or being upset. This is just how I think and my reasoning. I will say that in our league, Gally has an excellent LB room. But they're unfortunately devalued compared to the offensive guys and I think he will tell you it is often difficult to find value in a trade. It's just that way.

So that's about it. I hope that clears up both the substantive nature of what I'm saying and also the tonal/emotional part of it. I plan to keep playing and when I say I'm "punting" LB what I mean is that I'm actually going to keep constructing it a lot like you are, just minus that 2.09 for Schwesinger. That's really the biggest difference. Peace.
Rock's recent liking of a post upstream related to this content is motivating me to share an update. The team I broke down in the quoted now also has Drake Thomas, Barrett Carter, and Francisco Mauigoa through waivers.

Plan for week 1 was Luvu / Greenlaw / Milano
Bench was To'oTo'o / Andersen / Carlies / Speights
Taxi was Gray / Schwesinger / Simon

Now my lineup is Gray / Schwesinger / Thomas
Bench is Luvu / Greenlaw / To'oTo'o / Speights
Taxi is Carter / Mauigoa / Simon
Carlies and Andersen on IR

I don't share to LOOK AT ME but rather to contextualize how I manage the position. Throwing dart after dart after dart is part of the approach. There is space to invest in the position though. Now that I appear to have some stability, I'm hoping to move Luvu in a pick swap (I did this with Anzalone in a different league) so I can promote Carter.
Nice, man. I like it. I went back and was re-reading for a few reasons, and I think maybe I came off as or seemed a little more absolutist about this than I actually am, but it’s still awfully close to how I’m proceeding and have proceeded. Linebackers in our league continue to take up a lot of time and energy and I think back when I was expounding upon this whole thing I was:

1) thinking I was alone in my thoughts, which is an odd place
2) tired as heck
3) disappointed with my roster

I think I liked your post because massraider said something on Sunday and I had seen something a day or so ago that sort of blew my mind. But I had missed your original tone and points and wanted to give you dap (your proper respects) because there was much to like about your post. So I’m going to do that, say thank you, and talk about something substantive in the next post.
 
I think I’ve proceeded this year with a pretty healthy attitude compared to my burned-out looseness (I made the same point about four times upthread) in late August/early September, but I will say that I proceeded with my original intent of backfilling (our draft had already passed, so I invested very little other than a roundabout draft capital cost).

My conclusion up front: You can do this, but you might need upside in the end. Luck also factors in, and I’ve been a bit blessed thus far. My roster has nary any draft capital and the only investments are FAAB, roster spots (important and expensive), and a trade where I swapped a backer for a backer as part of a deal and threw in a 3rd to get the whole trade with the right TE, and if being honest, the right LB. But I wouldn't have done it without the TE, so call it 3/8ths or so of a third-round pick. So it’s roster spots, dollar bids, and a part of a seven-piece trade.

Money listed is FAAB. All money is league money—our outlays decrease gradually in reverse finishing order from $304 - $150 FAAB dollars, decreasing by 14 dollars each rank-ordered placement. Champs get $150. I had $164 plus I traded my fourth and fifth because I churn like a madman, and I'll chalk the fourth-round pick up to IDP because that seems to be where most of the money went.

My roster at LB is:

Starters: Devin White ($2 bid, Oct. 27, 2024, all year)/Tyrel Dodson ($1 on Sept. 6, 2025, rostered all year)/Barrett Carter ($1 July 8, 2025, rostered all year, think roster spots)

Bench: Mack Wilson (July 8th, rostered all year), Lavonte David ($37 in 2022), Shaun Dolac ($1 Week 7, beat in Week 6 $1 bid due to waiver order), Noah Sewell ($1 Weeks 3-5 rostered and $3 bid Week 10), Cody Simon ($1 pre-season and $3 Week 10), Danny Stutsman ($1 Week 5, he had gone 5.11 in our draft), Drake Thomas ($1 Week 5), Payton Wilson (just now in trade)

As you might be able to see, there are eleven of them. I have used two more roster spots than I wanted to use and three (or four, even) more than the ideal. We have fifty-one-man rosters and only forty overall protected keepers, so some of the older gentleman and a rookie or two might not be sticking. I think Lavonte might be finally ready to hang them up; if not, he has a spot on the roster most likely.

So you can see it, and see that the league seems inactive, but it isn’t (Gally, Don Quixote, Enderdog, and uazwildcats from FBG play in it). It's just most of our league won’t put a premium on it. I’ve reserved four spots for breakouts and risers and there are still guys on the wire I’d like. We do not have taxi squads, so the lack of draft capital and the roster size for a start-nine IDP league is actually reasonably tight and prohibitive to stashing, but I've done so anyway (I always churn madly and stash; it's my style).

But I really came over because I sat and listened to the IDP Show (it's pretty good usually and helps me stay with it) and I heard something that made me think of this conversation back in August. IDP scoring in our league is a bit light for the time and energy I've spent catching up with it, and it took me a while but I've noticed that the variance, even for the top guys, is crazy. And continues to be. So I'm listening to the show and these guys just, in an aside (and I thought I'd heard them saying it before) had this sort of almost-jaded (even though they love the game) downturn where they asked who among their DLs they could trust to just put out there. And they named like DL1-6 (more like DL1-12 upon re-listening) and then stopped and the more names they named, they were saying "no," to the rest, and the guy who was furthest to the left on the screen says (paraphrased), "I'll just backfill," and I smiled. I was nodding. So it took me a while to get, but there we have it.

I'll find the clip. Hold on. It cracked me up because I'd noticed them saying it before and I was just like, "Yeah. Every position, not just DLs." If you can't get POS1-8 in IDP, you might as well forget it. It's done. If you're in a league like mine, backfill and stream for the most part and invest like MAC. Especially DEs. Other than the top twelve, they're getting chipped and slowed and can't do anything about it and we don't measure them for pressures or collapsed pockets or anything like that. And the NFL is moving away from big edge-setters who tackle in the run game. They seem to be EDGEs or they're just eating space for the slot corner or box safety; not even for the linebackers anymore like an old 3-4. And QB Hits as a stat won't solve the issue (we have that in our league), and more points awarded can't stop the variance and merit issue, so then . . . welp. There ya go. Your on-the-rise DE13-24 gets chipped all game, and good night and better luck next season to your team because Joe Schmo, who is one of the best athletes in the world but is a mediocre NFL'er, well, he gets the sack over the guy you drafted in the first.

I'd like to see what they say about it. It just makes me kind of an IDP nihilist.

So let me try and find it, and I'll post it. Maybe I misheard or was excited and missed the point. Nope, I heard it. There's twelve-fifteen, nah, more like ten. I say like twelve. Keep it divisible. But after that, in their words, get "the guys you can get for free."

This was my conclusion. As these guys say, "I'd rather just churn, build up assets . . ."

That's what I do. They make the argument I was making in late Aug/early Sept. and that i have practiced for about three years now regarding LBs at about 18:30. LOL. And I never even considered DEs when my first 2.01 was Chase Young. Heh. But they're talking pretty much every position here.


I disagree with them about WRs and think that, well, actually I think people should really do what they want, but that zero or anchor RB is the best if you're trying to win, unless you've got a potential RB1-4 but then injuries . . . nah, stick with WRs, guys, they're the only (reasonably) consistent value in FF.
 
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