IDPs offensive counterparts (1 Viewer)

[jswalker1981]

In an average IDP scoring system:

1 pt per tackle

3 pts per int, FF, sack

2 pts per FR

1 pt per pass defended

How do defensive positions (DL,LB,DB) compare to offensive positions (QB,RB,WR,TE) in a PPR league?

Are pass rushing DE's the RB of IDPs? You want to get the top sack artists because there aren't that many since there are so many 3-4 defenses. Are 3-4 defenses the RBBC of IDPs? They seem to negate the value of DL.

Are LBs the WRs of IDPs? After the top few, the tiers seem to bunch up. But because they get so many tackles, they still have more value than average RBs. Or are they like QBs, you want to get a top one, but you can get by with getting more of them at a lower ranking.

I think having a offensive comparison to defensive players would help IDP newbies (like myself) prepare to draft them.

Thanks for the help.

 

[jsharlan]

Personally in PPR, I find your IDP scoring dreadfully inadequate for scoring balance.

 

[jswalker1981]

Personally in PPR, I find your IDP scoring dreadfully inadequate for scoring balance.

Well, I'm not really trying to balance offensive vs defensive scoring systems. I'm just asking what are the most important positions. If you had to give an analogy of IDPs compared to offensive positions. For instance, mostly RBs are taken in first round because they are primarily the most important position in fantasy football. Which defensive positions compare to that when drafting IDPs.This is the first year having IDPs in our league, and I'm not going to create difficult scoring system to follow for my league mates. In fact, this is a trial period for IDPs.

 

[Jene Bramel]

How do defensive positions (DL,LB,DB) compare to offensive positions (QB,RB,WR,TE) in a PPR league?

The common argument would be that linebackers are the running backs of the defensive side of the ball, if only because the best linebackers are generally drafted before the bulk of the DL and DBs. I don't think there's a clear comparison between the offensive positions and the DL and DB positions.

Are pass rushing DE's the RB of IDPs? You want to get the top sack artists because there aren't that many since there are so many 3-4 defenses. Are 3-4 defenses the RBBC of IDPs? They seem to negate the value of DL.

Scoring system makes a difference with defensive ends. Your system is slightly tackle heavy, which means that the strongest two-way defensive ends will have the most value. Since the top DE tier is arguably the shallowest among the IDP positions, there's a good argument for loading up on the surer things at DL before moving on the other positions. 3-4 defenses will only rarely produce great pass rushers, but shouldn't be ignored in tackle heavy leagues. There will always be a few very strong 3-4 defensive ends that can support the run well enough to have some value in tackle heavy and balanced leagues -- five of the thirteen defensive linemen who finished with more than 40 solos last season (and 9 of the top 25) came from defenses that leaned heavily 3-4.

If you're interested in the finer details of how certain schemes and positional responsibilities affect IDP value, check out John Norton's Breaking Down NFL Defenses and my Guide to NFL Defenses for some extended discussion.

Are LBs the WRs of IDPs? After the top few, the tiers seem to bunch up. But because they get so many tackles, they still have more value than average RBs. Or are they like QBs, you want to get a top one, but you can get by with getting more of them at a lower ranking.

How you approach the IDP tiers will be roster and lineup dependent. For instance, I'd be more likely to attack the linebacker position early in leagues that use three or more linebackers since the "deeper" pool will dry up a little sooner and you'll want to preserve some advantage at the LB3 and LB4 lineup positions. If you have shallower lineups and are confident in your ability to draft linebackers late and get close to the production of the 5-15 linebackers drafted, then the tiers do suggest that you can attack other positions and still do well at linebacker late.There are a couple of other articles linked in the Warehouse thread above that should help a newbie get up to speed and some linked threads in the FAQ that might be worth reading as well.

Welcome to the world of IDP!

 

[gandalas]

Honestly, the first Defensive players off the board should be the top 3 or 4 MLBs....these are generally Patrick Willis first, then Jon Beason, then Ruud and Lofton.

After that, you can either start on the Top defensive ends, or continue taking 4 or 5 more LBs. The top DE is Jared Allen, then the next group includes Trent Cole, Justin Tuck, Mario Williams, and Terrell Suggs in whatever order you prefer.

I would say that first group of LBs are the IDP equivalent of the top 4 RBs that usually go 1-4 overall, but after that, there is no real correlation between offensive and defensive positions.