Holland Freeze
Footballguy
The leagues I have been in with IDP's I still emphasize offensive picks in the first 2 rounds as a general rule. Do others as well?
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Holland Freeze
Footballguy
Are there any defensive players this year that are worth an earlier pick?
I think there are some nice picks but not so sure there are not about 24 better offensive players (taking into consideration your scoring system...)
I think there are some nice picks but not so sure there are not about 24 better offensive players (taking into consideration your scoring system...)
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Depends on things such as number of IDP starters and scoring. They usually start getting drafted in the late first round in both my leagues.
Holland Freeze
Footballguy
How is your league set up? That seems earlly to me but checking the last few years in mine someone goes D early in the 2nd like clockwork.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
I just looked at my 14 team league where we start a full 11 man defense and on offense start 1/2/3/1/1. Last year, picks 13 and 14 were IDP's and there were 5 more in the 2nd round. In 2007, pick 12 was the top IDP and there were 6 taken in the 2nd round. In 2006, picks 8 and 9 were IDP's and there were 7 taken in the 2nd round.Not as early as I thought, but still in the 1st round.
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Holland Freeze
Footballguy
Wow - that would seem to make alot of sense then. For me the set up is generally the same for the offensive side of the ball but I have never played with an 11 man D. For D it is more the 2/1/2 or 5 starters with at least 1 or 2 DL/LB/DB. In these leagues there is much more players available on the waiver wire that make an immediate impact than there are on the offensive side of the ball which is why I imagine those players (offense) are hit harder in the opening rounds.
I'm in a 12 Man redraft IDP every year. The big playmakers usually start going in round 3-4 for me. I believe Patrick Willis was taken in the middle of the 3rd. D can win you a championship in that league though. We start..
DL
DL
DL
DL
DB
DB
DB
DB
D
D
D
The DL's can be LB's or Defensive Linemen and the DB's can be a safety or a corner. The D's are anything. Needless to say the guy that has stacked his team with MLB's and safety's usually has a great team.
DL
DL
DL
DL
DB
DB
DB
DB
D
D
D
The DL's can be LB's or Defensive Linemen and the DB's can be a safety or a corner. The D's are anything. Needless to say the guy that has stacked his team with MLB's and safety's usually has a great team.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Sorry, but my posts weren't entirely accurate. I have Dynasty on the brain, and was talking about rookie drafts. Sorry. But I do think the 3rd or 4th round in a redraft or initial dynasty isn't out of the question to draft an IDP depending on number of starters.
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Larry Thomas
Footballguy
As you know, many things can and will vary in terms of value from league to league.
In our dynasty league scoring is pretty even, we start 8 IOPs and 11 IDPs
(3) DL, (4) LBs, (4) DBs.
Here are the first three rounds of the last three years in our dynasty draft…
1st ROUND (25 IOPs / 11 IDPs) IDPs drafted 30.5%
2008, 2007, 2006
1.01 RB, RB, RB
1.02 RB, WR, RB
1.03 WR, RB, RB
1.04 RB, RB, RB
1.05 DL, QB, TE
1.06 RB, RB, RB
1.07 RB, LB, QB
1.08 QB, DB, LB
1.09 WR, WR, QB
1.10 LB, LB, QB
1.11 RB, DL, LB
1.12 LB, LB, LB
1st round totals
15 RBs (In picks 1.01-1.04, 10 of 12 have been RB)
08 LBs (Pick 1.12 has been LB every year, and 6 of the 9 picks in draft positions 1.10-1.12 have been LBs)
05 QBs (QB has not been taken higher than 1.05)
04 WRs
02 DL
01 TE
01 DB
2nd ROUND (22 IOPs / 14 IDPs) IDPs drafted 38.9%
2008, 2007, 2006
2.01 LB, LB, WR
2.02 QB, QB, DB
2.03 DB, WR, RB
2.04 RB, WR, TE
2.05 DL, WR, DL
2.06 WR, RB, WR
2.07 LB, DL, WR
2.08 RB, WR, TE
2.09 RB, WR, DL
2.10 LB, DB, LB
2.11 TE, RB, WR
2.12 RB, DB, LB
2nd round totals
10 WRs
07 RBs
06 LBs
04 DBs
04 DLs
03 TEs
02 QBs
3rd ROUND (20 IOPs / 16 IDPs) IDPs drafted 44.4%
2008, 2007, 2006
3.01 WR, DL, QB
3.02 RB, DB, DB
3.03 RB, QB, LB
3.04 DB, LB, LB
3.05 QB, RB, LB
3.06 RB, TE, LB
3.07 DB, RB, RB
3.08 WR, TE, RB
3.09 LB, RB, DL
3.10 WR, DB, TE
3.11 WR, WR, DB
3.12 RB, LB, LB
3rd round totals
09 RBs
08 LBs
06 DBs
05 WRs
03 QBs
03 TEs
02 DL
Overall totals for rounds 1-3.
31 RBs
22 LBs
19 WRs
11 DBs
10 QBs
08 DL
07 TEs
67 IOPs (62%)
41 IDPs (38%)
In our dynasty league scoring is pretty even, we start 8 IOPs and 11 IDPs
(3) DL, (4) LBs, (4) DBs.
Here are the first three rounds of the last three years in our dynasty draft…
1st ROUND (25 IOPs / 11 IDPs) IDPs drafted 30.5%
2008, 2007, 2006
1.01 RB, RB, RB
1.02 RB, WR, RB
1.03 WR, RB, RB
1.04 RB, RB, RB
1.05 DL, QB, TE
1.06 RB, RB, RB
1.07 RB, LB, QB
1.08 QB, DB, LB
1.09 WR, WR, QB
1.10 LB, LB, QB
1.11 RB, DL, LB
1.12 LB, LB, LB
1st round totals
15 RBs (In picks 1.01-1.04, 10 of 12 have been RB)
08 LBs (Pick 1.12 has been LB every year, and 6 of the 9 picks in draft positions 1.10-1.12 have been LBs)
05 QBs (QB has not been taken higher than 1.05)
04 WRs
02 DL
01 TE
01 DB
2nd ROUND (22 IOPs / 14 IDPs) IDPs drafted 38.9%
2008, 2007, 2006
2.01 LB, LB, WR
2.02 QB, QB, DB
2.03 DB, WR, RB
2.04 RB, WR, TE
2.05 DL, WR, DL
2.06 WR, RB, WR
2.07 LB, DL, WR
2.08 RB, WR, TE
2.09 RB, WR, DL
2.10 LB, DB, LB
2.11 TE, RB, WR
2.12 RB, DB, LB
2nd round totals
10 WRs
07 RBs
06 LBs
04 DBs
04 DLs
03 TEs
02 QBs
3rd ROUND (20 IOPs / 16 IDPs) IDPs drafted 44.4%
2008, 2007, 2006
3.01 WR, DL, QB
3.02 RB, DB, DB
3.03 RB, QB, LB
3.04 DB, LB, LB
3.05 QB, RB, LB
3.06 RB, TE, LB
3.07 DB, RB, RB
3.08 WR, TE, RB
3.09 LB, RB, DL
3.10 WR, DB, TE
3.11 WR, WR, DB
3.12 RB, LB, LB
3rd round totals
09 RBs
08 LBs
06 DBs
05 WRs
03 QBs
03 TEs
02 DL
Overall totals for rounds 1-3.
31 RBs
22 LBs
19 WRs
11 DBs
10 QBs
08 DL
07 TEs
67 IOPs (62%)
41 IDPs (38%)
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Larry Thomas
Footballguy
I was confused also, Hollad Freeze is looking for redraft. 
Here is last years Footballguys IDP staff redraft rounds 1-4, Bloom started IDP at 3.07 (31) pick. We started 2 DL / 3 LBs / 3 DBs.
1.01 1. GI-Dawgs Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Tue Jul 22 10:21:47 p.m. ET 2008
1.02 2. Fake IDP Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Wed Jul 23 7:13:53 p.m. ET 2008 Actually wasn't an easy decision, but I can't not take Westbrook here.
1.03 3. earl's finest Peterson, Adrian MIN RB Wed Jul 23 7:13:53 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.04 4. Miles Ahead Jackson, Steven STL RB Wed Jul 23 7:13:53 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.05 5. Yevaud's Sons Barber, Marion DAL RB Thu Jul 24 11:46:47 a.m. ET 2008 Woo HOOO!
1.06 6. Borbely's Bunker BUMS Addai, Joseph IND RB Thu Jul 24 11:46:47 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.07 7. Defense Mechanisms Gore, Frank SFO RB Thu Jul 24 11:46:47 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.08 8. Eye of the Guru Portis, Clinton WAS RB Thu Jul 24 11:58:43 a.m. ET 2008
1.09 9. Maurile Tremblay Moss, Randy NEP WR Thu Jul 24 12:26:53 p.m. ET 2008
1.10 10. The Iron Maiden Brady, Tom NEP QB Thu Jul 24 12:26:53 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.11 11. Rude Dudes Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB Thu Jul 24 12:34:28 p.m. ET 2008
1.12 12. Gringo Wayne, Reggie IND WR Thu Jul 24 12:52:10 p.m. ET 2008
2.01 13. Gringo Johnson, Larry KCC RB Thu Jul 24 12:52:33 p.m. ET 2008
2.02 14. Rude Dudes Owens, Terrell DAL WR Thu Jul 24 1:00:58 p.m. ET 2008
2.03 15. The Iron Maiden Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB Thu Jul 24 1:04:40 p.m. ET 2008
2.04 16. Maurile Tremblay Grant, Ryan GBP RB Thu Jul 24 1:10:14 p.m. ET 2008
2.05 17. Eye of the Guru Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR Thu Jul 24 1:18:54 p.m. ET 2008
2.06 18. Defense Mechanisms McGahee, Willis BAL RB Fri Jul 25 11:15:18 a.m. ET 2008
2.07 19. Borbely's Bunker BUMS Edwards, Braylon CLE WR Fri Jul 25 11:56:55 a.m. ET 2008
2.08 20. Yevaud's Sons Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Fri Jul 25 11:56:55 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
2.09 21. Miles Ahead Johnson, Andre HOU WR Fri Jul 25 11:56:55 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
2.10 22. earl's finest Colston, Marques NOS WR Fri Jul 25 11:56:55 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
2.11 23. Fake IDP Manning, Peyton IND QB Fri Jul 25 2:30:28 p.m. ET 2008
2.12 24. GI-Dawgs Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Jul 25 2:48:46 p.m. ET 2008
3.01 25. GI-Dawgs Witten, Jason DAL TE Fri Jul 25 2:49:30 p.m. ET 2008
3.02 26. Fake IDP Holt, Torry STL WR Fri Jul 25 3:58:48 p.m. ET 2008
3.03 27. earl's finest Ocho Cinco, Chad CIN WR Fri Jul 25 3:58:48 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.04 28. Miles Ahead Bush, Reggie NOS RB Fri Jul 25 3:58:48 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.05 29. Yevaud's Sons Graham, Earnest TBB RB Fri Jul 25 3:58:48 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.06 30. Borbely's Bunker BUMS Romo, Tony DAL QB Fri Jul 25 4:52:43 p.m. ET 2008
3.07 31. Defense Mechanisms Allen, Jared MIN DE Fri Jul 25 4:52:43 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.08 32. Eye of the Guru Brees, Drew NOS QB Fri Jul 25 4:52:43 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.09 33. Maurile Tremblay Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB Fri Jul 25 4:52:43 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.10 34. The Iron Maiden Burress, Plaxico NYG WR Fri Jul 25 7:51:55 p.m. ET 2008
3.11 35. Rude Dudes Lewis, Jamal CLE RB Fri Jul 25 8:49:42 p.m. ET 2008
3.12 36. Gringo Brown, Ronnie MIA RB Fri Jul 25 8:49:42 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.01 37. Gringo Boldin, Anquan ARI WR Fri Jul 25 8:49:42 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.02 38. Rude Dudes Willis, Patrick SFO LB Fri Jul 25 8:54:00 p.m. ET 2008
4.03 39. The Iron Maiden James, Edgerrin ARI RB Fri Jul 25 8:58:26 p.m. ET 2008
4.04 40. Maurile Tremblay Turner, Michael ATL RB Fri Jul 25 8:58:26 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.05 41. Eye of the Guru Ryans, DeMeco HOU LB Fri Jul 25 8:58:26 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.06 42. Defense Mechanisms Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE Sat Jul 26 12:20:36 a.m. ET 2008
4.07 43. Borbely's Bunker BUMS Johnson, Calvin DET WR Sat Jul 26 12:20:36 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.08 44. Yevaud's Sons Harris, David NYJ LB Sat Jul 26 10:31:52 a.m. ET 2008
4.09 45. Miles Ahead Winslow, Kellen CLE TE Sat Jul 26 10:31:52 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.10 46. earl's finest Maroney, Laurence NEP RB Sat Jul 26 10:31:52 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.11 47. Fake IDP Gates, Antonio SDC TE Sat Jul 26 2:16:47 p.m. ET 2008
4.12 48. GI-Dawgs Holmes, Santonio PIT WR Sat Jul 26 2:49:10 p.m. ET 2008
Here is last years Footballguys IDP staff redraft rounds 1-4, Bloom started IDP at 3.07 (31) pick. We started 2 DL / 3 LBs / 3 DBs.
1.01 1. GI-Dawgs Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Tue Jul 22 10:21:47 p.m. ET 2008
1.02 2. Fake IDP Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Wed Jul 23 7:13:53 p.m. ET 2008 Actually wasn't an easy decision, but I can't not take Westbrook here.
1.03 3. earl's finest Peterson, Adrian MIN RB Wed Jul 23 7:13:53 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.04 4. Miles Ahead Jackson, Steven STL RB Wed Jul 23 7:13:53 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.05 5. Yevaud's Sons Barber, Marion DAL RB Thu Jul 24 11:46:47 a.m. ET 2008 Woo HOOO!
1.06 6. Borbely's Bunker BUMS Addai, Joseph IND RB Thu Jul 24 11:46:47 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.07 7. Defense Mechanisms Gore, Frank SFO RB Thu Jul 24 11:46:47 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.08 8. Eye of the Guru Portis, Clinton WAS RB Thu Jul 24 11:58:43 a.m. ET 2008
1.09 9. Maurile Tremblay Moss, Randy NEP WR Thu Jul 24 12:26:53 p.m. ET 2008
1.10 10. The Iron Maiden Brady, Tom NEP QB Thu Jul 24 12:26:53 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
1.11 11. Rude Dudes Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB Thu Jul 24 12:34:28 p.m. ET 2008
1.12 12. Gringo Wayne, Reggie IND WR Thu Jul 24 12:52:10 p.m. ET 2008
2.01 13. Gringo Johnson, Larry KCC RB Thu Jul 24 12:52:33 p.m. ET 2008
2.02 14. Rude Dudes Owens, Terrell DAL WR Thu Jul 24 1:00:58 p.m. ET 2008
2.03 15. The Iron Maiden Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB Thu Jul 24 1:04:40 p.m. ET 2008
2.04 16. Maurile Tremblay Grant, Ryan GBP RB Thu Jul 24 1:10:14 p.m. ET 2008
2.05 17. Eye of the Guru Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR Thu Jul 24 1:18:54 p.m. ET 2008
2.06 18. Defense Mechanisms McGahee, Willis BAL RB Fri Jul 25 11:15:18 a.m. ET 2008
2.07 19. Borbely's Bunker BUMS Edwards, Braylon CLE WR Fri Jul 25 11:56:55 a.m. ET 2008
2.08 20. Yevaud's Sons Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR Fri Jul 25 11:56:55 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
2.09 21. Miles Ahead Johnson, Andre HOU WR Fri Jul 25 11:56:55 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
2.10 22. earl's finest Colston, Marques NOS WR Fri Jul 25 11:56:55 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
2.11 23. Fake IDP Manning, Peyton IND QB Fri Jul 25 2:30:28 p.m. ET 2008
2.12 24. GI-Dawgs Smith, Steve CAR WR Fri Jul 25 2:48:46 p.m. ET 2008
3.01 25. GI-Dawgs Witten, Jason DAL TE Fri Jul 25 2:49:30 p.m. ET 2008
3.02 26. Fake IDP Holt, Torry STL WR Fri Jul 25 3:58:48 p.m. ET 2008
3.03 27. earl's finest Ocho Cinco, Chad CIN WR Fri Jul 25 3:58:48 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.04 28. Miles Ahead Bush, Reggie NOS RB Fri Jul 25 3:58:48 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.05 29. Yevaud's Sons Graham, Earnest TBB RB Fri Jul 25 3:58:48 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.06 30. Borbely's Bunker BUMS Romo, Tony DAL QB Fri Jul 25 4:52:43 p.m. ET 2008
3.07 31. Defense Mechanisms Allen, Jared MIN DE Fri Jul 25 4:52:43 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.08 32. Eye of the Guru Brees, Drew NOS QB Fri Jul 25 4:52:43 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.09 33. Maurile Tremblay Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB Fri Jul 25 4:52:43 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
3.10 34. The Iron Maiden Burress, Plaxico NYG WR Fri Jul 25 7:51:55 p.m. ET 2008
3.11 35. Rude Dudes Lewis, Jamal CLE RB Fri Jul 25 8:49:42 p.m. ET 2008
3.12 36. Gringo Brown, Ronnie MIA RB Fri Jul 25 8:49:42 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.01 37. Gringo Boldin, Anquan ARI WR Fri Jul 25 8:49:42 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.02 38. Rude Dudes Willis, Patrick SFO LB Fri Jul 25 8:54:00 p.m. ET 2008
4.03 39. The Iron Maiden James, Edgerrin ARI RB Fri Jul 25 8:58:26 p.m. ET 2008
4.04 40. Maurile Tremblay Turner, Michael ATL RB Fri Jul 25 8:58:26 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.05 41. Eye of the Guru Ryans, DeMeco HOU LB Fri Jul 25 8:58:26 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.06 42. Defense Mechanisms Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE Sat Jul 26 12:20:36 a.m. ET 2008
4.07 43. Borbely's Bunker BUMS Johnson, Calvin DET WR Sat Jul 26 12:20:36 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.08 44. Yevaud's Sons Harris, David NYJ LB Sat Jul 26 10:31:52 a.m. ET 2008
4.09 45. Miles Ahead Winslow, Kellen CLE TE Sat Jul 26 10:31:52 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.10 46. earl's finest Maroney, Laurence NEP RB Sat Jul 26 10:31:52 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
4.11 47. Fake IDP Gates, Antonio SDC TE Sat Jul 26 2:16:47 p.m. ET 2008
4.12 48. GI-Dawgs Holmes, Santonio PIT WR Sat Jul 26 2:49:10 p.m. ET 2008
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Holland Freeze
Footballguy
I was not intentionally focusing on redraft or dynasty although my example was a dynasty format. The big difference appears that my point of reference was a format where only 5 weekly starters were IDP's rather than a full 11. As a result defensive players become less valuable because there are better pick ups each year on the waiver wire on that side of the line than on offense.
