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The only thing obvious is that they are two very different football players with very different skill sets. Their respective potentials, though, and ability to play big on Sundays is even. This is the same A. Peterson that damn near won a Heisman as a freshman, correct? The same one that played on two badly damanaged ankles last season behind a green quarterback; OL and offense that lost 3 WR to the draft yet he still had a respectable season. The same Peterson that was instructed he would be better off sitting a few out but played?
agreed.
Sounds like the same people who pass on Mike Vick because hes not a "real" QB.
No offense, but I must say that you are talking out of two sides of your mouth. You are downgrading Peterson for being hurt last year and losing his whole offense, and thus having a "worse", but respectable, year. Yet, Bush was in the greatest offense college football has ever seen, and had he come back, would likely have had a "worse" year just like Peterson. the loss of Leinart, White, 3-4 starting lineman, the TE and likely Jarret is he's suspended. This is specualtion of course, but it would be difficult for any RB, no matter how great, to not suffer when the talent around him decreases.I would think Peterson may be a little better of a FF Prospect due to more red zone and goaline touches. Both are great, and very different players, and I was just curious what others think...Good discussion...
None taken, you make a great point.I think from a fantasy stand point, it's a preference basis. Bush is a phenominal talent with perhaps more upside, but he has some question marks too.
WhoDat, as usual, is spot on. For no other reason, Peterson has a family to support. The only ones puhing the thought of him staying is the OU PR department. A while back, during spring ball, the story hit the papers that he may stay. Why? Fans and donors want to think he will stay.
Conversely, the coaching/recruiting staff need to know sooner than later to use as leverage to sway players, if and when it is possible. There is nothing to do in Norman except study, play football and get in trouble. Peterson showed the first public signs of the latter this past season. That coupled with what wannabe mentioned, which was a family to support, leads many to believe the kid is gone. Peterson should have never finished the season out. Those knocking his running style are right. He finds contact not vice versa. However, those speaking of potential missed playing time need to realize this. He finished the year on two ankles that warranted bench time. OU was long out of contention and it would have been so much easier to ride it out with his *** on the pine yet he played.
No not at all. To me Bush is a third down type of back. He does not have the body or the make up to be a full time running back like AP does. While Bush has a ton of speed so does every LB in the league compared to college. Bush to me will be RB that is more split out as a WR. But as a Running back I don't think he will have much success. As a combo or hybrid back he will be good but as a true running back I don't see it.
IIRC, he seriously thought about coming out during that time period where Mike Williams followed Mo Clarett into ruining their NFL careers...I mean made the decision to turn pro. I remember discussing this with my brother-in-law who thought it was a joke until we watched Peterson during his freshman year.BTW, with his running style the absolute worst thing he could do would be to stay in college any longer than required. The questions surrounding him will be totally the opposite of Bush. Has he taken to much punishment? How well will he catch the ball and contribute in the passing game? etc.
This is one thing I saw time and again leading up to the draft that I don't understand.Bush has great speed compared to other NFL RBs and compared to those other NFL RBs when they were in college. He has better agility and made guys miss better in college than did college RBs who went on to do well at making guys miss in the NFL.
So your saying that Fresno State D is just as fast as the worst Defence in the NFL. I tend to think not. Probably the best D he faced was Cal and on that game he did not break 90 yards (17-82 yds 0 TD's 1 rct 4 yds). And as far as Dante Hall elusiveness how great is D Hall in the NFL?? As a return guy he is great, but as a WR he is not that great..IMO To me he is not as compact as Barry Sanders who I think was the most elusiveness running back that I have ever seen. Which I think is why Bush will not be able to be the pro runner that most think he will be.
Nice point(s). They are two completely different players. I don't see a team that drafts Peterson needing to figure out how he will fit into their offense or how they will get him the ball. He lacks the dimension of Bush and an OC is not going to need to be a creative genius to make Peterson successful. Hand him the ball early and often. You can even hand him the rock on 3rd or 4th and short.
No, I'm saying the argument "college LBs are slower than NFL LBs" is a true statement about any RB that ever played in college and then went to the NFL. So why is it that this true statement must mean that Bush will not be elusive in the NFL? What's special about him? Other college RBs, who were less elusive in college than Bush, have gone on to be elusive in the NFL against NFL-speed LBs. Why do you believe Bush will suffer to the point of not being effective, when other, lesser RBs, were able to succeed in that area of their game?
The A. Department should have it in full swing by the time the Texas State rolls around. After OU puts the Longhorn program back into place this year, expect the Peterson press team to be working around the clock through season's end. Last year's disaster should see plenty of people more than happy to drum up support for Peterson. He'll be glossed early and often. It will only get worse as the Big 12 Championship rolls around. If Peterson wins the Heisman, the hype will be the same. The last player that good in Norman was B. Sims. Peterson is that good.
OSU will put Texas back in their place long before OU does.The A. Department should have it in full swing by the time the Texas State rolls around. After OU puts the Longhorn program back into place this year, expect the Peterson press team to be working around the clock through season's end. Last year's disaster should see plenty of people more than happy to drum up support for Peterson. He'll be glossed early and often. It will only get worse as the Big 12 Championship rolls around. If Peterson wins the Heisman, the hype will be the same. The last player that good in Norman was B. Sims. Peterson is that good.
All Day...get used to hearing it.
Anyway, the hype will be high, but not as high as Bush. You forget just how dynamic Bush was, or maybe just dont' realize. The big plays Bush created are what is the seperating factor IMO. Not only was Bush the best player in college football, but he was the most explosive as well. I have very high doubts that Peterson is either, insert B.Quinn and Ted Ginn...I knew it. You are usually very reasonable. This explains your viewpoint. Just messing with you. I remember how great Bush looked. My feeling is that people have already forgotten how Peterson looked his freshman year, when he was 100% healthy. Peterson does not have the same overall skill set, which means being able to catch; return kicks and rush, but he is the every bit the athlete that Bush is. I personally feel he will have one of those years.OSU will put Texas back in their place long before OU does.The A. Department should have it in full swing by the time the Texas State rolls around. After OU puts the Longhorn program back into place this year, expect the Peterson press team to be working around the clock through season's end. Last year's disaster should see plenty of people more than happy to drum up support for Peterson. He'll be glossed early and often. It will only get worse as the Big 12 Championship rolls around. If Peterson wins the Heisman, the hype will be the same. The last player that good in Norman was B. Sims. Peterson is that good.
All Day...get used to hearing it.
Doesn't Bush have the same type of body as Marshall Faulk? So why is he only a third down back in your eyes?
Peterson looks a bit stiff when he runs IMO, but there's no denying the skills are there. I don't think he's got the quick twitch in him like Bush does, but Bush doesn't have Peterson's power or ability to break tackles either. I liken Bush to a Marshall Faulk type, Peterson compares more to Larry Johnson? (kinda early to use a comparison to LJ, but they run similar IMO)I knew it. You are usually very reasonable. This explains your viewpoint. Just messing with you. I remember how great Bush looked. My feeling is that people have already forgotten how Peterson looked his freshman year, when he was 100% healthy. Peterson does not have the same overall skill set, which means being able to catch; return kicks and rush, but he is the every bit the athlete that Bush is. I personally feel he will have one of those years.OSU will put Texas back in their place long before OU does.The A. Department should have it in full swing by the time the Texas State rolls around. After OU puts the Longhorn program back into place this year, expect the Peterson press team to be working around the clock through season's end. Last year's disaster should see plenty of people more than happy to drum up support for Peterson. He'll be glossed early and often. It will only get worse as the Big 12 Championship rolls around. If Peterson wins the Heisman, the hype will be the same. The last player that good in Norman was B. Sims. Peterson is that good.
All Day...get used to hearing it.
Of course, if Notre Dame sniffs a .500 record or better, then the Notre Dame Broadcasting Company will make sure Quinn gets pushed hard for the trophy.
Ginn is a freak. I caught that kid's act the few times he has played in San Antonio. In a year minus a couple of legit candidates at RB and QB I say he has a shot.
I am not saying that Bush will not be a decent RB/Wr at all. But I do not think he is a complete RB like Peterson "should" be. Peterson has more of a NFL body that will take the hits and to dish out some hits. Bush to me does not have that type of body, He will be a solid pro. But I think when comparing Bush to Peterson in the NFL I would take Peterson. To me I think Bush's biggest weakness is his power game. Is Bush elusive yes but can he get low enough to push a pile? At USC he was took out on those tough yards. Thats the question that I think needs to be answered. Lets face it he will not be able to go around the end all of the time like he did in college.
You simply did not watch enough USC football then. Or read enough of the scouting repoprts for that matter. Bush has plenty of power and his body is just fine for the NFL. The guy wasn't labled a once every 20 yrs player because he could only break runs to the outside and catch the ball.
Agreed... throughout this board people knock Bush on his size and call him a 3rd down back... why?or the next Larry Johnson. I'd put my money on A.P
Let me be clearer in my point:Avoiding Reggie Bush in FF because he is not a "full-time" RB, is like the people who avoid Mike Vick because he is not a "true QB". For fantasy purposes, all that matter are yards and TDs. If Bush is getting his yards and TDs while split out as a WR, that doesnt matter. The term "true" RB is completely irrelevant for fantasy purposes.
Size doesn't mean a whole lot.Did Emmitt Smith "move the pile"? Did Priest "move the pile"? Did Sanders? Tiki? Q-tip? Okay, one too many.
I think he's a good bet to come out. 4 full years of being a workhorse RB will raise some flags about wear and tear on him. Curious, what did you see that made you comment "he has the versatility to be a pass catcher...."? I watch a lot of Big XII football and OU hardly uses him in the passing game. Not saying he isn't capable of it, but I don't think he was feature enough in their passing game to come away saying AP is one way or the other.
You must have watched a different draft than I did. Not talking about college production, but what the pros project the players as. White was drafted in the mid-2nd round. My contention is that Lynch and Bush will be drafted much closer to Peterson than Maroney (or any other RB) was to Regggie Bush. sorry, not a fight because we are not talking about the same thing."class by himself"? Lendale White was nipping at his heels AND if you look at their stats....well you get the picture.
I'm not seeing NYJ as a bad location for Peterson in the least though. Actually one of the best. Remember that they had a great draft for Oline this year.
I compare him to none other then Larry Johnson.FIXED!
