"If everyone has a franchise QB, then no one has a franchise QB&#3 (1 Viewer)

[Riversco]

How valid do you think this statement is?

We live in an era where the NFL relaxes the passing rules to the point where (some argue that) all 8 teams left alive have a franchise QB. But when everyone has a franchise QB, don't they all cancel each other out to a large degree, and ironically make the run game and defense even more important than ever.

So the NFL, in an attempt to make the NFL a passing league, is actually increasing the odds that run-heavy teams that play good defense (and that have a franchise QB that hands the ball off and makes a few great throws every game) more likely to make and win the Super Bowl?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Sure...the power run game plus good defense model is viable -- if you have a franchise QB.

If you don't have one it's going to be very hard to though.

 

[FUBAR]

In your first statement, sort of.

You appear to assume all franchise quarterbacks are equal. They're not. Just looking at the 8 remaining, they all could be considered franchise guys, but few will say rivers or cam are equal to Peyton, Brady, or Luck.

In your second statement, I disagree that a "run heavy" team is more likely to win, but balanced / complete teams or teams that have the ability to exploit any weakness will continue to win.

 

[FUBAR]

Sure...the power run game plus good defense model is viable -- if you have a franchise QB.

If you don't have one it's going to be very hard to though.

Yep. QB seems to be a prerequisite to get into the playoffs. Complete teams will win.

 

[Truman]

I think it's extremely difficult to make the playoffs without a franchise QB. Look at the AFC North though and count the rings. Then consider their 2013 division champion

 

[mr roboto]

To me the term 'franchise QB' isn't comparative. But the term 'elite' is. So yes, every team left in playoffs has (probably) a franchise QB. Kaep was a question mark through stretches this year. Last year Cam and Rivers were questioned.

What you need as an absolute pre-requisite to win it all is a QB that can be great. But you don't need an elite QB to win it all. Big Ben, Eli and Flacco have 5 of the last 10 rings. They can be great, they are franchise QBs, they are not elite. But they played great in playoffs, had great teams and solid organizations.

 

[ebsteelers]

To me the term 'franchise QB' isn't comparative. But the term 'elite' is. So yes, every team left in playoffs has (probably) a franchise QB. Kaep was a question mark through stretches this year. Last year Cam and Rivers were questioned.

What you need as an absolute pre-requisite to win it all is a QB that can be great. But you don't need an elite QB to win it all. Big Ben, Eli and Flacco have 5 of the last 10 rings. They can be great, they are franchise QBs, they are not elite. But they played great in playoffs, had great teams and solid organizations.

so

elite qb > franchise qb ?

 

[Agent575]

Funny...this is how I feel about fantasy leagues that only use 1 QB.

 

[Tool]

To me the term 'franchise QB' isn't comparative. But the term 'elite' is. So yes, every team left in playoffs has (probably) a franchise QB. Kaep was a question mark through stretches this year. Last year Cam and Rivers were questioned.

What you need as an absolute pre-requisite to win it all is a QB that can be great. But you don't need an elite QB to win it all. Big Ben, Eli and Flacco have 5 of the last 10 rings. They can be great, they are franchise QBs, they are not elite. But they played great in playoffs, had great teams and solid organizations.

so

elite qb > franchise qb ?

Yes. Term franchise qb is used very loosely. Joe Flacco franchise QB, not elite. There are several other.

 

[FUBAR]

To me the term 'franchise QB' isn't comparative. But the term 'elite' is. So yes, every team left in playoffs has (probably) a franchise QB. Kaep was a question mark through stretches this year. Last year Cam and Rivers were questioned.

What you need as an absolute pre-requisite to win it all is a QB that can be great. But you don't need an elite QB to win it all. Big Ben, Eli and Flacco have 5 of the last 10 rings. They can be great, they are franchise QBs, they are not elite. But they played great in playoffs, had great teams and solid organizations.

so

elite qb > franchise qb ?

Yes, although there may be time when a QB is elite for a short period of time, Michael Vick in 2010 comes to mind.

A franchise QB IMO is someone who will lead the team consistently. There will also be guys who put up elite stats but aren't true franchise QBs. I'm not sure I'd call Matt Stafford a franchise QB right now, though he has the potential to be elite.

 

[Despyzer]

I always thought the term franchise quarterback meant he was good enough or had enough potential to build a franchise around, like the Cowboys did with Aikman, or the Colts did with Peyton.

 

[MAC_32]

To me the term 'franchise QB' isn't comparative. But the term 'elite' is. So yes, every team left in playoffs has (probably) a franchise QB. Kaep was a question mark through stretches this year. Last year Cam and Rivers were questioned.

What you need as an absolute pre-requisite to win it all is a QB that can be great. But you don't need an elite QB to win it all. Big Ben, Eli and Flacco have 5 of the last 10 rings. They can be great, they are franchise QBs, they are not elite. But they played great in playoffs, had great teams and solid organizations.

so

elite qb > franchise qb ?

this is what I was going to post. There's a difference between franchise qb and elite. The other categories are unknown, suck, and purgatory.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Actually "elite" QB supercedes "franchise" QB in terminology now, doesn't it?

And then having an elite pass defense in conjunction with an elite QB seems like the path to success generally in today's NFL.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Actually "elite" QB supercedes "franchise" QB in terminology now, doesn't it?

And then having an elite pass defense in conjunction with an elite QB seems like the path to success generally in today's NFL.

I think you are right.

Franchise QB is a solid QB who the club can-win behind and who may or may-not be elite.

Elite QB is already established himself as a franchise QB but elevated his game to eltie status.

I think we can all agree on those two distinctions but now anyone who wants to parse words can attack the definitions of what it means to be an 'elite' NFL QB. I'm not interested in arguin semantics but the OP made a good point.

If everyone has a franchise QB then no-one does but the next level is who of the franchise level QBs has already or will establish themselves as 'elite'?

 

[pizzatyme]

The term is very subjective and silly to me.

I think there are elite QBs, great but not elite (yet), good, game managers/ the rest.

Elite: Manning/Brady/Rodgers/Brees

Great: Luck/Cam/Wilson/

Good: Ryan/Cutler/Stafford/Kaepernick/Palmer/Dalton/Rivers

Game Managers: Rest

I might have missed someone, no offense. My list is subjective and silly too to some, I'm sure.

 

[cstu]

The term is very subjective and silly to me.

I think there are elite QBs, great but not elite (yet), good, game managers/ the rest.

Elite: Manning/Brady/Rodgers/Brees

Great: Luck/Cam/Wilson/

Good: Ryan/Cutler/Stafford/Kaepernick/Palmer/Dalton

Game Managers: Rest

I might have missed someone, no offense. My list is subjective and silly too to some, I'm sure.

Considering you have Palmer on it and not Rivers...yes.

 

[pizzatyme]

The term is very subjective and silly to me.

I think there are elite QBs, great but not elite (yet), good, game managers/ the rest.

Elite: Manning/Brady/Rodgers/Brees

Great: Luck/Cam/Wilson/

Good: Ryan/Cutler/Stafford/Kaepernick/Palmer/Dalton

Game Managers: Rest

I might have missed someone, no offense. My list is subjective and silly too to some, I'm sure.

Considering you have Palmer on it and not Rivers...yes.

I knew I omitted someone. Edited.

 

[bucksoh]

The term is very subjective and silly to me.

I think there are elite QBs, great but not elite (yet), good, game managers/ the rest.

Elite: Manning/Brady/Rodgers/Brees

Great: Luck/Cam/Wilson/

Good: Ryan/Cutler/Stafford/Kaepernick/Palmer/Dalton

Game Managers: Rest

I might have missed someone, no offense. My list is subjective and silly too to some, I'm sure.

Considering you have Palmer on it and not Rivers...yes.

I knew I omitted someone. Edited.

I think you may have missed Ben Roethlisberger

 

[mr roboto]

Franchise QBs (AFC- NFC, North to South)

Roethlisberger

Flacco

Brady

Luck

Manning

Smith

Rivers

--------

Rogers

Stafford

Cutler

Romo

Manning

Brees

Newton

Ryan

Wilson

Palmer

Young possible franchise QBs (but unknown at this point)

Tannehill

Glennon

Foles

RG3

Kaep

Bradford

 

[pizzatyme]

Yeah, I don't consider Big Ben a franchise QB. Not anymore. He is no better than a game manager. And I'm not certain he ever was.

And Flaccid? Give me a break. He is a game manager.

 

[mr roboto]

Yeah, I don't consider Big Ben a franchise QB. Not anymore. He is no better than a game manager. And I'm not certain he ever was.

And Flaccid? Give me a break. He is a game manager.

I'm not using the same definition as you then. QBs who are good enough to lead a franchise to a championship. And there are 3 rings between them.

 

[Riversco]

In your first statement, sort of.

You appear to assume all franchise quarterbacks are equal.

But here's the point. As the NFL continues to make it easier to pass the ball, the advantage of having a Peyton Manning grows smaller. The difference between Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, and Drew Brees is smaller today than it was when passing rules were more difficult in years past.

Everyone has a franchise QB.

And it ironically puts even more of a premium on running the ball and good defense.

 

[FUBAR]

In your first statement, sort of.

You appear to assume all franchise quarterbacks are equal.

But here's the point. As the NFL continues to make it easier to pass the ball, the advantage of having a Peyton Manning grows smaller. The difference between Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, and Drew Brees is smaller today than it was when passing rules were more difficult in years past.

Everyone has a franchise QB.

And it ironically puts even more of a premium on running the ball and good defense.

really? Peyton just threw for 40% more yards than the #10 QB, 1,000 / 20% more than the #5. 16 more TDs than #2, 100% more than the #7.

 

[FUBAR]

Btw, I'm just asking what criteria you're using to say there's less difference now than prior years.

 

[ghostguy123]

Simple, no. Some QBs are better than others.

Money is money, but a hundred dollar bill is better than a twenty, right?

 

[renesauz]

I don't get it. First of all....everyone does NOT have a franchise QB. The last 8 teams alive do....implying that to get past the WC round, you must have one. Others here are also correct in that franchise <>elite. ELite QBs carry teams into the playoffs (Rodgers), but any team with a franchise QB has a chance (Flacco, Eli) to win it all.

 

[PatsWillWin]

In short, no, I think the statement is dumb.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The term is very subjective and silly to me.

I think there are elite QBs, great but not elite (yet), good, game managers/ the rest.

Elite: Manning/Brady/Rodgers/Brees

Great: Luck/Cam/Wilson/

Good: Ryan/Cutler/Stafford/Kaepernick/Palmer/Dalton/Rivers

Game Managers: Rest

I might have missed someone, no offense. My list is subjective and silly too to some, I'm sure.

Kinda curious, if Nick Foles has another year like he had this year (using his 16 game pace): 115+ QBR, 3600 pass yds, 42 TDs, 4 ints where would you put him? Numbers wise, he's have to be elite, no?

 

[pizzatyme]

Yes, if he does it again, he heads to to my upper tier. I'll be curious to see how defenses adjust next year.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Yes, if he does it again, he heads to to my upper tier. I'll be curious to see how defenses adjust next year.

So is everyone in Philadelphia.

 

[ebsteelers]

Yeah, I don't consider Big Ben a franchise QB. Not anymore. He is no better than a game manager. And I'm not certain he ever was.

And Flaccid? Give me a break. He is a game manager.

I'd say if anything Big Ben is more of a franchise quarterback now than ever before. He was the only reason they were in most games this year.

 

[pizzatyme]

Yeah, I don't consider Big Ben a franchise QB.

Not anymore. He is no better than a game manager. And I'm not certain he ever was.

And Flaccid? Give me a break. He is a game

manager.

I'd say if anything Big Ben is more of a franchise quarterback now than ever before. He was the

only reason they were in most games this year.

Well, that and Antonio Brown, LeVeon Bell, and Heath Miller.

 

[FUBAR]

Yeah, I don't consider Big Ben a franchise QB.

Not anymore. He is no better than a game manager. And I'm not certain he ever was.

And Flaccid? Give me a break. He is a game

manager.

I'd say if anything Big Ben is more of a franchise quarterback now than ever before. He was the

only reason they were in most games this year.

Well, that and Antonio Brown, LeVeon Bell, and Heath Miller.

Brown is good, but Miller isn't anything special.

If they hadn't started out so crappy, we'd all be looking at Pittsburgh a lot differently right now. They were one of the best teams the 2nd half of the season and Ben showed again that he is a franchise QB. Not quite elite, but in the next tier.

 

[Warrior]

How valid do you think this statement is?

We live in an era where the NFL relaxes the passing rules to the point where (some argue that) all 8 teams left alive have a franchise QB. But when everyone has a franchise QB, don't they all cancel each other out to a large degree, and ironically make the run game and defense even more important than ever.

So the NFL, in an attempt to make the NFL a passing league, is actually increasing the odds that run-heavy teams that play good defense (and that have a franchise QB that hands the ball off and makes a few great throws every game) more likely to make and win the Super Bowl?

lol...no. Just labeling someone a "Franchise QB" doesn't automatically mean they are exactly as capable as every other "Franchise QB". Wilson and Manning are both franchise QBs...Manning give his team a huge edge over Wilson and that's not even really debatable.

 

[ebsteelers]

Yeah, I don't consider Big Ben a franchise QB.

Not anymore. He is no better than a game manager. And I'm not certain he ever was.

And Flaccid? Give me a break. He is a game

manager.

I'd say if anything Big Ben is more of a franchise quarterback now than ever before. He was the

only reason they were in most games this year.

Well, that and Antonio Brown, LeVeon Bell, and Heath Miller.

Ben is getting those guys the ball though. as much as manning or brady or whoever gets his playmakers the ball.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Peyton Manning and Ryan Tannehill can both be called "franchise quarterbacks." Do the Broncos have any kind of advantage at the QB position or no?

 

[Ballstein]

Give Ben a better O-line and he's elite

 

[pizzatyme]

Yeah, I don't consider Big Ben a franchise QB.

Not anymore. He is no better than a game manager. And I'm not certain he ever was.

And Flaccid? Give me a break. He is a game

manager.

I'd say if anything Big Ben is more of a franchise quarterback now than ever before. He was the

only reason they were in most games this year.

Well, that and Antonio Brown, LeVeon Bell, and Heath Miller.

Ben is getting those guys the ball though. as much as manning or brady or whoever gets his playmakers the ball.

The difference is, the other QBs you mentioned are in the playoffs and top seeds. While Ben watches on TV.