If Golden State is revolutionizing basketball... (1 Viewer)

[TheIronSheik]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

I think they already did, they just changed the name to softball.

 

[Sinn Fein]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

Pretty sure that is simply Beer-league softball...

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Yankees down?

 

[TheIronSheik]

But why couldn't it work for baseball? Is fielding really that important? Is it better to have a SS and 2B with range or two guys who can do an OK job, but can hit dingers at will?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

But why couldn't it work for baseball? Is fielding really that important? Is it better to have a SS and 2B with range or two guys who can do an OK job, but can hit dingers at will?

Think it'd be easier/more cost-efficient to go with an all-fielding team.

GS led the NBA in defensive efficiency this year, btw.

 

[Gr00vus]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

So, this is an Earl Weaver alias. Good to know.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

In both hockey & soccer all goalies have to weigh at least 400 pounds. But they can be as tall or short as they want.

 

[Scoresman]

I've always thought basketball should be lower scoring. My idea is to change it so that each team has a basket-mover position. The basket would be tied to a rope and the basket-mover would be in charge of yanking the basket up and down kind of like how you work a pinata.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I definitely think that a team could win in other sports if they followed the Golden State model of putting together a high-powered offensive roster. So long as they also followed the Golden State model of being the best defensive team in the league.

 

[Mile High]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

Good pitching beats good hitting.

 

[TheIronSheik]

But why couldn't it work for baseball? Is fielding really that important? Is it better to have a SS and 2B with range or two guys who can do an OK job, but can hit dingers at will?

Think it'd be easier/more cost-efficient to go with an all-fielding team.

GS led the NBA in defensive efficiency this year, btw.

There are plenty of long ball hitters in the minors who don't have the fielding to make it to the big leagues. Wouldn't have to break the bank on home run hitters.

 

[Donkey Derp]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

Good pitching beats good hitting.

Yeah that was probably the worst example he could have used.

 

[TheIronSheik]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

Good pitching beats good hitting.

That saying is as true as "You live and die by the three."

 

[TheIronSheik]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

Good pitching beats good hitting.

Yeah that was probably the worst example he could have used.

The Atlanta Braves and Philadelphia Phillies had some of the best rotations around, yet they couldn't win championships.

 

[Spartans Rule]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

So, this is an Earl Weaver alias. Good to know.

"Nobody likes to hear it, because it's dull, but the reason you win or lose is darn near always the same - pitching." - Earl Weaver.

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Golden State is revolutionizing sports. More teams need to follow suit. The Blue Grass State Tokers would be a fantastic team name.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Being the best on offense and defense is revolutionary?

 

[Gr00vus]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

So, this is an Earl Weaver alias. Good to know.

"Nobody likes to hear it, because it's dull, but the reason you win or lose is darn near always the same - pitching." - Earl Weaver.

So, this is an Earl Weaver alias. Good to know.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Again, the whole point of revolutionizing a sport would be to break from the norm and do something not stated for years to be fact. Good pitching beats good hitting only because teams have 1 or 2 guys who are deep threats. If good pitching had to face 9 Albert Pujols's, good pitching wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Being the best on offense and defense is revolutionary?

No. Electing to shoot 3's over 2's is revolutionary.

 

[Mile High]

...can't we do the same in other sports? I think a baseball team could load up on mediocre pitching and fielding while putting out 9 guys who all had the power to go yard on each pitch. 9 guys who all put up 25 HR's a season. Who cares if you give up 5 runs as long as you're scoring 10 a game.

Good pitching beats good hitting.

Yeah that was probably the worst example he could have used.

The Atlanta Braves and Philadelphia Phillies had some of the best rotations around, yet they couldn't win championships.

Colorado Rockies had a bunch of guys who came close with the power you suggested the "Blake Street Bombers". They won zero championships, they were fun to watch.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It is somewhat surprising that more teams haven't thought to acquire the most valuable player and also to be way better at sports than the other teams.

You'd think at some point teams would catch on- the word "value" is right there in the description, after all. But every year it seems like only one team thinks to roster the most valuable player. And usually there's only one team that's way better at their sport than the other teams ... at the most.

Seems ripe for some sort of Moneyball type exploitation.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Again, the whole point of revolutionizing a sport would be to break from the norm and do something not stated for years to be fact. Good pitching beats good hitting only because teams have 1 or 2 guys who are deep threats. If good pitching had to face 9 Albert Pujols's, good pitching wouldn't stand a chance.

So like the Blue Jays this year? Far and away the best offense (historically good at this point) but they have #### pitching. Barely above .500.

 

[SWC]

Being the best on offense and defense is revolutionary?

No. Electing to shoot 3's over 2's is revolutionary.

no it is not brohan

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Being the best on offense and defense is revolutionary?

No. Electing to shoot 3's over 2's is revolutionary.

Haven't loads of college teams been doing this for at least a decade now?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Being the best on offense and defense is revolutionary?

No. Electing to shoot 3's over 2's is revolutionary.

That has been happening for years. GS just happens to have two guys who are great at it.

 

[SWC]

oh sheek this one is really not going how you thought it would take that to the bank brohan

 

[TheIronSheik]

Being the best on offense and defense is revolutionary?

No. Electing to shoot 3's over 2's is revolutionary.

That has been happening for years. GS just happens to have two guys who are great at it.

OK.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Again, the whole point of revolutionizing a sport would be to break from the norm and do something not stated for years to be fact. Good pitching beats good hitting only because teams have 1 or 2 guys who are deep threats. If good pitching had to face 9 Albert Pujols's, good pitching wouldn't stand a chance.

So like the Blue Jays this year? Far and away the best offense (historically good at this point) but they have #### pitching. Barely above .500.

No. Not like them. There is no current team like I'm describing.

 

[Guest]

Why isn't the team that hit the most homers in the league always in the World Series?

ETA: KC had the fewest HRs in the majors last year.

 

[General Malaise]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

 

[Scoresman]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

Shiek do you have any polls that show how america would vote on this?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

Shiek do you have any polls that show how america would vote on this?

No, but I have spellcheck.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

My apologies for trying to have a semi-fun conversation about something lighthearted. Let's go back to talking about politics and racism.

 

[SWC]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

Shiek do you have any polls that show how america would vote on this?

No, but I have spellcheck.

is it that new spellcheck that is the best at everything or the old one that did exactly the same thing brohan edited to fix some grammer

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Again, the whole point of revolutionizing a sport would be to break from the norm and do something not stated for years to be fact. Good pitching beats good hitting only because teams have 1 or 2 guys who are deep threats. If good pitching had to face 9 Albert Pujols's, good pitching wouldn't stand a chance.

So like the Blue Jays this year? Far and away the best offense (historically good at this point) but they have #### pitching. Barely above .500.

No. Not like them. There is no current team like I'm describing.

Well of course. It is impossible to have 9 Pujols. I thought a historically great offence would be a close fit. My mistake.

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

Shiek do you have any polls that show how america would vote on this?

LOL!Time to rank the sports revolutions that aren't revolutionary.

 

[rockaction]

The 2003 Red Sox are actually a very good example of the premise in the OP.

Led the American League in OPS+ and runs per game. IIRC, their 1-9 was historic in ways.

Finished exactly average in ERA, one or two teams above average in ERA+, and were below average in runs allowed.

They're the team that immediately popped into mind when thinking about the actual premise behind Sheik's post. They exploited market value in players on offense, while thinking that the market overvalued defense and pitching at the time, especially in the bullpen.

They finished, as many will remember, 2nd in the AL, and were probably the best team with an utterly incompetent manager who was fired at the end of the season.

 

[Guest]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

My apologies for trying to have a semi-fun conversation about something lighthearted. Let's go back to talking about politics and racism.

It is a fun conversation.

Are you going to spend $300 million on this team?

Or how about changing the rule so that Pujols can just keep hitting and has a pinch runner every time?

 

[Donkey Derp]

Again, the whole point of revolutionizing a sport would be to break from the norm and do something not stated for years to be fact. Good pitching beats good hitting only because teams have 1 or 2 guys who are deep threats. If good pitching had to face 9 Albert Pujols's, good pitching wouldn't stand a chance.

You mean like the All Star game which has averaged only about 7 runs per game over the past decade?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

Shiek do you have any polls that show how america would vote on this?

No, but I have spellcheck.

is it that new spellcheck that is the best at everything or the old one that did exactly the same thing brohan edited to fix some grammer

You should get the new spellcheck brohan and take that to the bank

 

[SWC]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

Shiek do you have any polls that show how america would vote on this?

No, but I have spellcheck.

is it that new spellcheck that is the best at everything or the old one that did exactly the same thing brohan edited to fix some grammer

You should get the new spellcheck brohan and take that to the bank

naw i prefer the older ways bromigo

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

My apologies for trying to have a semi-fun conversation about something lighthearted. Let's go back to talking about politics and racism.

Sheiky, baby, I'm with you. I started a thread about NFLers playing in thong underwear, and it didn't go over well. In hindsight, I should have said in their jock. Seriously, though, people should be less serious.

 

[General Malaise]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

My apologies for trying to have a semi-fun conversation about something lighthearted. Let's go back to talking about politics and racism.

You left out religion.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Kickers are usually the highest scoring players in football. I am surprised a team has not tried to play with 11 kickers on the field.

 

[Donkey Derp]

What exactly did Golden State do to revolutionize basketball? If you put five guys on the court who play good defense, are unselfish with the ball and can hit outside shots consistently, you will have a team that competes. Having a deep roster was also key as it allowed them more opportunities to adjust in the series than Cleveland was able to do. I don't see much of a difference than the Spurs teams that have been so dominant over the past decade. Good defense, unselfish, deep roster.

Baseball and football are also different because nobody plays all the time like in basketball (hockey isn't really the same either as goalie has huge importance). But if you are talking about baseball and I have limited money, give me two elite starting pitchers, a top tier catcher, and good relief role pitchers over mega hitters. The Giants play in one of the worst parks for hitting and have somehow come up with three rings in five years.

 

[Sinn Fein]

But, to tie in football, the equivalent would be to go for most 4th downs, and always go for two. It should happen, if football coaches were not such #######.

 

[General Malaise]

Iron Sheik is the new Tim.

My apologies for trying to have a semi-fun conversation about something lighthearted. Let's go back to talking about politics and racism.

Sheiky, baby, I'm with you. I started a thread about NFLers playing in thong underwear, and it didn't go over well. In hindsight, I should have said in their jock.Seriously, though, people should be less serious.

Oh, I don't dispute that this topic is a virtual ferris wheel of fun, but the guy is definitely filling the void Tim left when he stopped posting 3+ threads a day. I look forward to TISTAN one day.

 

[urbanhack]